*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

18 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I have two of these. I think this would work for you. Put the chiller on the bottom and computer on top, the put the reservoir on the desk. That's how I did it on the one system. The other has the computer on the bottom and the radiator and pumps on top. You want  the heavier assembly on the bottom.

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09SCYSFP9?th=1

 

The one without the chiller is "portable" (everything on the cart) so I can use it anywhere around the house. Like in the living room connected to the TV when I have been in my dungeon for too many hours. Then I can wheel it back into the office when I am done.

 

 

 

Yeah that’s a nice setup there. Not really sure how I’ll set mine up, so many things left to do right now, we are currently working on completely sealing under the home, so it will be all white plastic, no dirt, something that will stay completely dry and clean, I am considering placing the tank and chiller underneath the home. It’s gonna be time soon for a full tear down and re-build of the whole system though. Almost time to get ready for next gen parts. This rinse repeat process is getting a little tiring, terrible addiction. If there’s anything I’m really looking forward to, it’s gotta be the 5090 most of all. I’m just not looking forward to the scalper fest that comes with it every launch.
 

Intel 285K cpu

Apex Z890 motherboard (Or Unify-X)

RTX5080/5090 (Probably a 5090) 

DDR5 8800+ kit of CKD ram. 
 

 

[Papusan]

 

Intel Core Ultra 5 245K is Faster Than Core i5-14600K But Wins Only By 4%. Fantastic for a sucessor. I hope this is just a Joke and not real. We'll see when the chips are out. But slight double of this or 10% performance gain would still be a massive failure. 

 

Intel Core Ultra 5 245K 14 Core CPU Up To 4% Faster In Cinebench R23 Benchmark Leak Versus 14600K But With 30% Fewer Threads

 

The results above from Intel is equal awful as how the Government in world's richest country treating their citizens. They prefer sell all their oil, electricity and gas for max profits to EU. Darn disgusting. 

[tps3443]

51 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Intel Core Ultra 5 245K is Faster Than Core i5-14600K But Wins Only By 4%. Fantastic for a sucessor. I hope this is just a Joke and not real. We'll see when the chips are out. But slight double of this or 10% performance gain would be a massive failure. 

 

Intel Core Ultra 5 245K 14 Core CPU Up To 4% Faster In Cinebench R23 Benchmark Leak Versus 14600K But With 30% Fewer Threads

 

This results is equal awful as how the Government in world's richest country treating their citizens. They prefer sell all their oil, electricity and gas for max profits to EU. Disgusting. 

I don’t really know how Intel is going to do with this new gen cpu. It seems like the new 285K is about as fast as a stock 14900KS in R23/R24 Cinebench. So, absolutely no gains in compute I guess. I’m thinking this is kinda like Intel 11th gen all over again? We get 20-25% less threads, and similar multithreaded performance, and slightly better single threaded performance, 11th gen had massive single thread gains. I’m not sure if we will see that here again or what to expect with these new chips, I saw some specific applications where they were like 36% faster in V-Ray bench and some other random situations that is not gaming and is not Cinebench lol. I did also hear the silicon quality is very consistent/tight between the chips though, so that’s good, but also just a rumor as well that early testers are speaking of saying their chips were all similar. I feel like hanging on to a 14900KS this generation might just prove to be the smartest move. 
 

Im sure the platform Z890 in 2 years from now will absolutely mop the matured Z790 platform. But, right out of the gate? Probably not. We’ll probably be running something like DDR5 11,000 near the end of Z890’s life span. 
 

My favorite comparisons with CPU’s are seeing real-world things ran like (Ashes of Singularity) it seems to show a good improvement with CPU’s and if

something may be worthy for a gaming boost. I wish I could how the 285k stacks up vs a 14900KS.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I don’t really know how Intel is going to do with this new gen cpu. It seems like the new 285K is about as fast as a stock 14900KS in R23/R24 Cinebench. So, absolutely no gains in compute I guess. I’m thinking this is kinda like Intel 11th gen all over again? We get 20-25% less threads, and similar multithreaded performance, and slightly better single threaded performance, 11th gen had massive single thread gains. I’m not sure if we will see that here again or what to expect with these new chips, I saw some specific applications where they were like 36% faster in V-Ray bench and some other random situations that is not gaming and is not Cinebench lol. I did also hear the silicon quality is very consistent/tight between the chips though, so that’s good, but also just a rumor as well that early testers are speaking of saying their chips were all similar. I feel like hanging on to a 14900KS this generation might just prove to be the smartest move. 
 

Im sure the platform Z890 in 2 years from now will absolutely mop the matured Z790 platform. But, right out of the gate? Probably not. We’ll probably be running something like DDR5 11,000 near the end of Z890’s life span. 
 

My favorite comparisons with CPU’s are seeing real-world things ran like (Ashes of Singularity) it seems to show a good improvement with CPU’s and if

something may be worthy for a gaming boost. I wish I could how the 285k stacks up vs a 14900KS.

 

Yup, we may see some gains from DDR5 CUDIMM memory kit when the Z990 refresh is out end of 2025. Also this time will the first gen (Z890 boards) be the guinea pig  on Intel's new platform/socket LGA 1851. Nice, if the gains is minimal over older Raptor Lake Refresh. At least Intel can put the mess with this older gen chips behind. Big win for... Intel. And big Win for the Single thread boost Jockey's performing web browsing/light tasks on their brand new Intel platform. Single core thread performance is now King.

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Yup, we may see some gains from DDR5 CUDIMM memory kit when the Z990 refresh is out end of 2025. Also this time will the first gen (Z890 boards) be the guinea pig  on Intel's new platform/socket LGA 1851. Nice, if the gains is minimal over older Raptor Lake Refresh. At least Intel can put the mess with this older gen chips behind. Big win for... Intel. And big Win for the Single thread boost Jockey's performing web browsing/light tasks on their brand new Intel platform. Single core thread performance is now King.

I’ve got to say, it was a good long run on LGA 1700 and I started late skipping 12th Gen completely lol! 
 

LGA1200 launched in 2020, and LGA1700 launched in 2021 🤣. LGA1851 is launching in 2024 😎 Maybe Intel will run 1851 even longer!! (3 years minimum like lga1700 is good ) (4 years for lga1851 would be even better) 
 

LGA1700 has been great though. I never personally had too much difficulty with degradation. Had a 13900KS pulling down about 400 watts just earlier today. But I really do hope that Intel gets better. If we look back on the early days for Intel. Which I guess was 1989 when Intel launched their 8086 chip? Anyways, Intel has not released that many sockets. I think it’s less than 13 or 14 sockets since 1989 unless I’m missing some. I guess it would take some serious planning ahead to make a platform socket run for 4-5+ years.  

[tps3443]

DDR5 9000 C38 is pretty wild stuff lol. 

[tps3443]

@Mr. Fox I been browsing. And I think this might work for me. 
 

It’s a Thermaltake W100 case which is large and has wheels already, and it has a separate pedestal which can house pumps/rads/ secondary PSU. 
 

I really want a case that I can just build my PC in, then have room to house (6) D5 pumps inside the case. Not many options available lol. Thats why I love my test bench, it can hold so many pumps. 
 

Since this case has a pedestal attachment available. Could install a PSU inside this pedestal, power all of my pumps, and the actual case portion would house no water cooling parts at all lol. You can add two of the pedestals and make is HUGE. And they can go on the top or bottom. 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

@Mr. Fox I been browsing. And I think this might work for me. 
 

It’s a Thermaltake W100 case which is large and has wheels already, and it has a separate pedestal which can house pumps/rads/ secondary PSU. 
 

I really want a case that I can just build my PC in, then have room to house (6) D5 pumps inside the case. Not many options available lol. Thats why I love my test bench, it can hold so many pumps. 
 

Since this case has a pedestal attachment available. Could install a PSU inside this pedestal, power all of my pumps, and the actual case portion would house no water cooling parts at all lol. You can add two of the pedestals and make is HUGE. And they can go on the top or bottom. 

 

 

I have always loved those cases. They are excellent, but I have never been willing to pay what they want for them. Same was true of Caselabs cases. Amazing products but totally unacceptable pricing.

 

It looks like the Thermaltake prices have come down from where they were. About half what they used to be. Still very expensive but not as outlandishly overpriced. Maybe because the niche market interested in them is small. They probably have not produced a large number of them because they are not as tacky and garish as they need to appeal to gamers that need rainbow vomit, a small footprint and other worthless gimmicks to feel special. It would not surprise me, for that reason, if they have lowered prices to move stock that is hard to sell due to the limited market.

 

Other than my SFF with the direct die AIO, my other system all have external components. The only things related to the loop inside of my cases are the tubing/fittings and waterblocks. Radiators and pumps (and the chiller on the one that has it) are all external components. Defintely the best approach IMHO.

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I have always loved those cases. They are excellent, but I have never been willing to pay what they want for them. Same was true of Caselabs cases. Amazing products but totally unacceptable pricing.

 

It looks like the Thermaltake prices have come down from where they were. About half what they used to be. Still very expensive but not as outlandishly overpriced. Maybe because the niche market interested in them is small. They probably have not produced a large number of them because they are not as tacky and garish as they need to appeal to gamers that need rainbow vomit, a small footprint and other worthless gimmicks to feel special. It would not surprise me, for that reason, if they have lowered prices to move stock that is hard to sell due to the limited market.

 

Other than my SFF with the direct die AIO, my other system all have external components. The only things related to the loop inside of my cases are the tubing/fittings and waterblocks. Radiators and pumps (and the chiller on the one that has it) are all external components. Defintely the best approach IMHO.

It is kinda expensive. If I can get a good deal for both pieces, I will get one though. 99% of the cases out there right now just don’t work for me looks/function wise etc. I just want something basic that rolls, or has enough room for pumps, or if I ever want to mount some rads I could do that as well.

 

I started building PC’s when I was 14 years old in 2004. And I still remember browsing as a teenager on Newegg back then at cases, and practically every single case was appealing to me I wanted them all haha lol. Those days are long gone though. Thermaltake ran the roost back then though. Same time period when NZXT first hit the scenes. 

[Mr. Fox]

This is the motherboard going into the Dark Base Pro 901 that I sold the guy from Intel. 

 

https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/x12spa-tf

 

He is using this 38 core Xeon and installing 4TB of RAM.

 

https://www.itosolutions.net/Intel-Xeon-W-3300-W-3375-Octatriaconta-core-38-p/cd8068904691401.htm 

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I know it is going to suck at memory overclocking, but I wanted the cheapest Z690/Z790 board I could get my hands on to put on the test bench and this was it. Not really looking for the RAM overclocking capabilities as I intend to use it.

 

Got it for $112 on NewEgg. Will be here on Friday. Will see if my opinion of ASRock motherboards is better than my first, last and only impression with the Z370 Taichi Chai Tea. I was surprised to find something with onboard power and reset buttons, debug LCD, active VRM cooling and this many power phases at this price. The was selling for about $500 when it originally launched.

 

I see Brother @Talon either has or did have one of these. (Spotted his YouTube video.)

 

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813162025

 

[Talon]

12 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

This is the motherboard going into the Dark Base Pro 901 that I sold the guy from Intel. 

 

https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/x12spa-tf

 

He is using this 38 core Xeon and installing 4TB of RAM.

 

https://www.itosolutions.net/Intel-Xeon-W-3300-W-3375-Octatriaconta-core-38-p/cd8068904691401.htm 

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I know it is going to suck at memory overclocking, but I wanted the cheapest Z690/Z790 board I could get my hands on to put on the test bench and this was it. Not really looking for the RAM overclocking capabilities as I intend to use it.

 

Got it for $112 on NewEgg. Will be here on Friday. Will see if my opinion of ASRock motherboards is better than my first, last and only impression with the Z370 Taichi Chai Tea. I was surprised to find something with onboard power, reset and debug LCD and this many power phases at this price. The was selling for about $500 when it originally launched.

 

I see Brother @Talon either has or did have one of these. (Spotted his YouTube video.)

 

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813162025

 

 

For the price you paid, it's probably going to be what you expect. Memory OC was unfortunately about what you'd expect from a 4 dimm Z690. I'd say expect to max out 2x16gb around 6400-6800MTs if lucky. If you have some 2x32gb A-Dies around, those will give you the best results easily. Dual Rank 2x32 A-Dies are the way to go with a 4 dimm board. But at the same time, I don't think I ever tested this board with a 13900K or newer with better IMC. I also didn't test with later BIOS revisions that might have improved it a tad. I'd say it probably is about where I said though. 

 

The board supported BCLK OC on non-K 12th gen, so it can be a bit of fun. 

 

I no longer have the board as I gave it away to a cousin who was still rocking a Z370 and 9900K. He is still using the board with a 13900K and is very happy.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

For the price you paid, it's probably going to be what you expect. Memory OC was unfortunately about what you'd expect from a 4 dimm Z690. I'd say expect to max out 2x16gb around 6400-6800MTs if lucky. If you have some 2x32gb A-Dies around, those will give you the best results easily. Dual Rank 2x32 A-Dies are the way to go with a 4 dimm board. 

 

The board supported BCLK OC on non-K 12th gen, so it can be a bit of fun. 

 

I no longer have the board as I gave it away to a cousin who was still rocking a Z370 and 9900K. He is still using the board with a 13900K and is very happy.

As long as the "open box" is fully functional (always had good luck with that from NewEgg) I will be OK with it. If all of the accessories are included, I will be stealing the GPU support bracket for the Encore since ASUS cheaped out and did not include one like they do with the white Apex. I like that type (attached to motherboard standoffs) as opposed to other types that work like a kickstand. I think my 7200 G.SKILL Trident Z5 kit is 16GBx2 if I remember correctly. I will use that and downclock it to whatever clock speed is stable. What is sad is the fact that it will still overclock the RAM as well as the sucky crap Z690 Apex 2-DIMM motherboard abortion did.

 

For $112 if everything works it will be hard to find fault with things, especially considering the features it does have (buttons, debug LCD, generous rear I/O, onboard clock generator to overclock locked CPUs, etc). Not sure why they didn't give it dual BIOS though.

 

I might play with the 12th Gen Celeron I have that is locked and see if I can overclock that wimpy thing. I got it for flashing newer BIOS on older boards (Z690) that would not boot with 13th Gen.

[Prema]

Here, in case you guys want to update to Intel Microcode v12B: https://www.reddit.com/r/eluktronics/s/DaPyUHyeXq

[cylix]

Fresh credible leaks for 5090 😁

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-and-rtx-5080-specs-leaked

[electrosoft]

6 minutes ago, cylix said:

Fresh credible leaks for 5090 😁

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-and-rtx-5080-specs-leaked

 

I just have a sneaky suspicion with the 5000 series that the AI bubble will die down a bit (no pun intended) and this cycle we're gonna see a 5090ti with the full tilt 24,576 cores (vs 21732) even with the 5090 rumoured to have a 512-bit bus. We'll see.

 

With that being said, the 5080 vs 5090 difference is massive if that holds true. The 5080 might not even match the 4090 at that rate or be effectively equal. The trade off is a much better price point.

 

5090 looks like it is going to be an absolute, power hungry monster.

 

 

[Papusan]

15 hours ago, Prema said:

Here, in case you guys want to update to Intel Microcode v12B: https://www.reddit.com/r/eluktronics/s/DaPyUHyeXq

 

Thanks🙂 But who knows... Maybe not the last one😁 But havne't seen much talk about the problem lately. Maybe most/many owners of 13t and 14th gen have undervolted and underclocked their CPU's trying to mitigate it themself. Even cripple it hard.

 

 

 

Intel finds cause of overheating CPUs, provides another BIOS update

Intel just identified a fourth cause for problematic 13th and 14th Gen CPUs. Get the BIOS update as soon as you can.

[tps3443]

Anyone see this Silverstone Alta F2 case? OMG.. 😱 it is so cool!! I was around PC building when Silverstone made the best cases in history. I loved the 90 degree rotation, and the Air penetrator fans blowing air directly up! Even has room for pumps in the bottom, and large rads if needed on bottom or top. It’s $859 which is INSANE lol. I’d still buy it. I really love it! I’m thinking of doing a case build everyone. 
 

 

 

 

 

[Raiderman]

Hi gang, I've missed this place, but have been super busy. I've managed to snag a 9950X, and will be looking for some time to test it. Hope everyone is well.

[electrosoft]

48 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

Hi gang, I've missed this place, but have been super busy. I've managed to snag a 9950X, and will be looking for some time to test it. Hope everyone is well.

 

Hey @Raiderman! Life will do that to ya. 🙂 Always glad to see ya brother.

 

You're the first to break rank here and get a 9950X, but you weren't going to go X3D anyhow methinks.

 

 

[tps3443]

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Hey @Raiderman! Life will do that to ya. 🙂 Always glad to see ya brother.

 

You're the first to break rank here and get a 9950X, but you weren't going to go X3D anyhow methinks.

 

 

Do you have any experience with a Non-K Intel CPU’s? Do they allow memory overclocking at all. Like if I had a regular 13900 could I enable XMP? Or set the ram speed? 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Do you have any experience with a Non-K Intel CPU’s? Do they allow memory overclocking at all. Like if I had a regular 13900 could I enable XMP? Or set the ram speed? 

If the 12th Gen Celeron I purchased for flashing 12th to 13th Gen BIOS updates is an indication everything worked in the BIOS except for changing core mullltipliers. XMP and all of the memory timings worked and so did voltage and power adjustments. Whether BCLK overclocking of the CPU works is dependent on the motherboard having a clock generator. Not all of them do.

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Do you have any experience with a Non-K Intel CPU’s? Do they allow memory overclocking at all. Like if I had a regular 13900 could I enable XMP? Or set the ram speed? 

 

I have a 12400 and 12500 non K here and both have full access to memory OC/XMP on Asus Prime boards. You can also do Bclk OC (as @Mr. Fox indicated) if you want to go that route. I also tested a 12100F on an Asrock board a few years ago and it had full memory OC and I was pushing it with bclk before I gave it to my nephew in an A380 build he is rocking and loving.

 

 

 

 

[cylix]

So 5090 more W rated but Nvidia is sticking to the single 12VV-2x6 cable. What could go wrong? 🤪

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-to-pcie-5-0-interface-displayport-2-1a-uhbr20-and-a-single-12x-2x6-power-connector.

 

I think i will wait a couple of months with the purchase until we will see if it will burn or not. Dont want the headache to RMA it after a couple of months...

[Talon]

14 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Do you have any experience with a Non-K Intel CPU’s? Do they allow memory overclocking at all. Like if I had a regular 13900 could I enable XMP? Or set the ram speed? 

 

Yes you can use XMP if you have a non-K chip. But Non-K chips on 12th and 13th gen are VCCSA locked. I believe you're limited to .95v on VCCSA which greatly limited DDR4 OC, but not such much DDR5. 14th gen has VCCSA unlocked and full tuning available for non-K. 

 

To BCLK a 12th gen chip (only 12th gen can do this) you have to have a board with an external clock gen and it will force an earlier unlocked microcode the moment it detects you want to BCLK OC. It will like boot, then reboot the proper microcode to prevent a non-boot situation that typically happens when you attempt to push BCLK above 103Mhz or so. 

 

Honestly 12th gen BCLK is fun, taking that locked down chip to well above 5Ghz all cores is a blast and reminds me of when OC was great. I'm keeping my BCLK boards for this reason. Will eventually be able to get the chips dirt cheap and can punch them hard when they are cheap and don't care if they fry lol. 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

Yes you can use XMP if you have a non-K chip. But Non-K chips on 12th and 13th gen are VCCSA locked. I believe you're limited to .95v on VCCSA which greatly limited DDR4 OC, but not such much DDR5. 14th gen has VCCSA unlocked and full tuning available for non-K. 

 

To BCLK a 12th gen chip (only 12th gen can do this) you have to have a board with an external clock gen and it will force an earlier unlocked microcode the moment it detects you want to BCLK OC. It will like boot, then reboot the proper microcode to prevent a non-boot situation that typically happens when you attempt to push BCLK above 103Mhz or so. 

 

Honestly 12th gen BCLK is fun, taking that locked down chip to well above 5Ghz all cores is a blast and reminds me of when OC was great. I'm keeping my BCLK boards for this reason. Will eventually be able to get the chips dirt cheap and can punch them hard when they are cheap and don't care if they fry lol. 

 

Very true on 12th and 13th. If you don't have a halfway decent IMC, you can be limited to as low as 3200-3333 easily on DDR4 (just ask my 12400F lol), but on DDR5 testing, it topped out right below a couple 12900k's I tested that capped out around 6600-6800.

 

I don't have any non K 14th gen so I didn't know that unleashed VCCSA. Good to know.

 

Unless they changed the rev, the Asrock Z690 RS mATX boards can bclk like a champ.