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19 minutes ago, ryan said:

an algorithm is a calculation a mathematical expression. chess can be calculated. not sure where your going with this? ill agree with AI on this one

I honestly don't know how everyones wrong, and even a non human tool with vast knowledge is wrong also, but this is getting silly. if you are smarter than just about everyone on the planet and have more knowledge than AI I suggest you get your name out there as you are the smartest human on earth!! or? the one thing alot of people with slightly above average IQs have is arrogance. as einstien said the only thing more dangerous than ignorance is arrogance

Chess has defined rules that cant be broken. Life does not suffer the same restrictions

 

You are also comparing one tool meant for a particular purpose, what I believe @Etern4l is saying is that the tool you are using as your example is ill-suited for the purpose when there are better out there already. 

 

Apples and Oranges, I believe.

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15 hours ago, ryan said:

not sure where your going with this? ill agree with AI on this one

 

Oh, I was just trying to disambiguate the difference between chess and AI (in response to your AI prompt below), and explain how the concepts are related. Apologies if this was not accessible or perceived as arrogance. Remember that, while the language algos are very impressive, they do not match every aspect of human performance. It's debatable how well they actually understand the content.

The moment we have nothing to add or are unable to improve on a web tool's response, vast swathes of human population will become economically redundant, marking the end of human civilisation as we know it. This is the main goal pursued by big tech, with our monetary support.

 

On 12/24/2023 at 10:00 PM, ryan said:

here is the explaination for AI on microsofts CO-PILOT

 

does ai work much like chess

 

To clarify further, the particular part of CoPilot's response which I believe to be problematic was:

 

On 12/24/2023 at 10:00 PM, ryan said:

AI is not exactly like chess, which has fixed rules and a finite number of possible moves.

 

The issue with this sentence is that AI is conceptually different from chess. The rest of the response is fine.

 

BTW This highlights one of the main issues issue with using generative AI: if we don't have enough knowledge or time to validate AI's output, we are prone to being misinformed (or worse, i.e. manipulated).

 

Anyway, I suggest we try to keep things friendly and refrain from unnecessary personal angles, lest our dear @Reciever will be forced to intervene yet again. That said, I definitely appreciate the well-meaning career advice 🙂

 

 

  

15 hours ago, Reciever said:

Apples and Oranges, I believe.

 

Yes, different concepts. I would say, Apples (chess), Orchard (life) vs Fruit Pickers (chess algorithms very specialised) and Farmer (modern AI algos, more generic - can do broader farming, although maybe a bit slower at picking), but perhaps there is some room for improvement in terms of prompt wording as well. For example the following questions might have guided the bot better: "Does modern AI work like chess engines?", or "What does AI have to do with chess?".  

 

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sorry for the off putting comment, got wound up 😞

 

I think in ten years we will have a better idea as to whether this new AI is a threat but then again by then it may be too late. I applaud this topic for being interesting as well as informative full of bright ideas and opinions however it does tend to veer off track. the main question and title of the thread is that AI poses a risk what exactly is this risk and how will it impact us?

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Thanks for the note @ryan and appreciate the kind words. I would suggest a review of the thread would provide fairly exhaustive answers to those questions, either directly or in the materials of reference. One point though: it's not "this new AI", it's a continuing development of these systems, mostly by big tech (that we know of) that could lead to serious existential threats down the line, as opposed to the plethora of issues and threats already present and impending (including things like autonomous weapons). I think it is important to highlight both categories in this thread, in order to keep track of the evolution the technology, which - at the cutting edge - occurs almost exclusively in the terminal direction of AGI (whether that is intended and very apparent or not). If people have specific questions about the nature of modern AI, it feels right to answer them here as well in order to clarify the picture.

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bro @Etern4l This AI stuff is pretty popular and growing in size/complexity. on my current internet I cant find anything cool to do with ai like making an ai video from text or making a ai picture, or anything. can you share a site for these things. post it and give me a heads up on what not to do lol

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This highlights yet another existential threat to our civilisation: the Wall-E/idiocracy scenario where humans devolve into docile idiots engaged in endless amusement.

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7 hours ago, ryan said:

bro @Etern4l This AI stuff is pretty popular and growing in size/complexity. on my current internet I cant find anything cool to do with ai like making an ai video from text or making a ai picture, or anything. can you share a site for these things. post it and give me a heads up on what not to do lol

Not the correct thread to be making that sort of request.

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Sounds Like HAMAS, I see alot of Potential!

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Damn, this is AI is getting out of hand...goodbye multiplayer gaming...

 

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1 hour ago, cylix said:

Damn, this is AI is getting out of hand...goodbye multiplayer gaming...

 


I think humanity would survive that one. MP gaming was already rife with game-breaking cheating years ago when I quit.

 

Anyway, too bad there is no footage of the actual thing in action, but based on the description I suspect this MSI implementation will turn out to be a gimmick. Also, it probably wouldn’t be too difficult to ban offending monitors lol

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Some of the world's most trustworthy people out on a AGI PR damage control duty:

 

Zuckerberg and Altman both tamp down fear and hype with casual statements about AGI.

 

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Meanwhile, the AI march towards military applications continues:

OpenAI opens the door for military uses but maintains AI weapons ban

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Last but not least, Googlers are hard at work at replacing Googlers, sign of the lovely times I guess:

 

Google lays off “hundreds” more as ad division switches to AI-powered sales

 

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3 hours ago, ryan said:

yikes, meanwhile im searching for the pros. looking for a video generator, checked out invideo.io was 40 bucks and didnt seem real either its fraud or insanely intelligent. I think its inevitable that jobs will be lost, but the footprint remains unknown. hopefully we (gov) eventually find a way to incorporate AI and use it as a tool to increase quality of life and increase jobs.


Err, you opened yourself a thread for that? It would be amazing to read your thoughts on the pros and creative applications of AI there. I know the world is going to hell, so many will opt to just have some mindless AI fun, but less keep this thread factual and focused on the topic.

 

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Off Topic posts removed. Inquiries to specific tools has its own thread, as such discussion revolving that should carry on there. Link to that thread can be found below. As always if particular members take issue with Forum etiquette they can always reach out to me to discuss to which I will genuinely try to understand potentially novel perspectives.

 

Passive aggressively threatening to post elsewhere has not been, nor will it ever become a means to effect change.

 

 

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OpenAI went back on a promise to make key documents public
 

Why don’t they just rename the outfit to ClosedAI?


Meanwhile, the intelligence community rings AI alarm bells:

 

AI will increase the number and impact of cyberattacks, intel officers say

 

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On 2/5/2024 at 11:19 AM, serpro69 said:

 

Pretty striking, but probably not something that can be done at scale, as opposed to this:

Inside the Underground Site Where ‘Neural Networks’ Churn Out Fake IDs
 

The silver lining here is this will probably accelerate the necessary regulatory interventions. Or so we can hope.

 

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29 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

Pretty striking, but probably not something that can be done at scale, as opposed to this:

Inside the Underground Site Where ‘Neural Networks’ Churn Out Fake IDs
 

The silver lining here is this will probably accelerate the necessary regulatory interventions. Or so we can hope.

 

Nah, if it could be done at scale - there would be so much more cases like this. Deepfake will only get you so far in achieving something like this.

Still, 25 mil.... that's quite a retirement fund :classic_laugh:

 

YGive people a tool and they'll find creative ways to abuse it to extremes. I also hope this stuff accelerates regulation, but... idk. Something big needs to actually happen for regulators to start doing and not just talking. "Potentially harmful" scenarios don't seem to have much effect unfortunately. Or they're just too used to close their eyes to whatever bigtech is doing and think "this is just another one of those we-can-let-it-slide-so-long-as-the-money-flows situations"

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@serpro69 Yeah, even crypto's mass illicit use did not lead to any outright bans.  Of course, by default the majority body of corrupt politicians won't do enough in time, so the best case scenario here is that we get to really deep trouble, so deep that that governments have to respond, but not so deep it's too late. We will need a lot of luck to get through this.

 

For an example discussion of regulatory inaction, please see the largely useless (apart from the AI risk conference) UK government:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/feb/06/techscape-uk-artificial-intelligence-government-regulation

 

They are likely afraid Google would move DeepMind to the US in case a harsh regimen is imposed - a race to the regulatory (if not literal) bottom.

 

 

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Having issued a fair warning about the existential risks of AI, Sam F. Altman is now going nuts in order to deliver “the dream”:

 

Report: Sam Altman seeking trillions for AI chip fabrication from UAE, others

 

Meanwhile an Alphabet-owned self-driving car was set ablaze by a crowd in none other than San Francisco. The people are waking up…

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Welcome to the Matrix .. OPENAI unveils SORA AI.

 

Jesus, some of the videos looks so realistic..so i guess we dont need hollywood anymore...

Or actors that are alive 😁

 

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We’re teaching AI to understand and simulate the physical world in motion, with the goal of training models that help people solve problems that require real-world interaction.

Introducing Sora, our text-to-video model. Sora can generate videos up to a minute long while maintaining visual quality and adherence to the user’s prompt.

https://openai.com/sora

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21 minutes ago, cylix said:

Welcome to the Matrix .. OPENAI unveils SORA AI.

 

Jesus, some of the videos looks so realistic..so i guess we dont need hollywood anymore...

Or actors that are alive 😁

 

https://openai.com/sora


Cherry picked output examples for sure, but in general a step in this direction has been inevitable. Given how difficult it is to get image generators to produce exactly what you want, let’s wait and see how useful this will prove in practice. The other question would be regarding rendering time and cost. I know a guy high up at a major VFX company, will be able to get an authoritative answer in a few months.

 

What’s worrying is the potential for fake news generation and other illicit uses, where production value criteria are often relaxed.

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