Reciever Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 19 minutes ago, ryan said: an algorithm is a calculation a mathematical expression. chess can be calculated. not sure where your going with this? ill agree with AI on this one I honestly don't know how everyones wrong, and even a non human tool with vast knowledge is wrong also, but this is getting silly. if you are smarter than just about everyone on the planet and have more knowledge than AI I suggest you get your name out there as you are the smartest human on earth!! or? the one thing alot of people with slightly above average IQs have is arrogance. as einstien said the only thing more dangerous than ignorance is arrogance Chess has defined rules that cant be broken. Life does not suffer the same restrictions You are also comparing one tool meant for a particular purpose, what I believe @Etern4l is saying is that the tool you are using as your example is ill-suited for the purpose when there are better out there already. Apples and Oranges, I believe. Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted December 26, 2023 Author Share Posted December 26, 2023 15 hours ago, ryan said: not sure where your going with this? ill agree with AI on this one Oh, I was just trying to disambiguate the difference between chess and AI (in response to your AI prompt below), and explain how the concepts are related. Apologies if this was not accessible or perceived as arrogance. Remember that, while the language algos are very impressive, they do not match every aspect of human performance. It's debatable how well they actually understand the content. The moment we have nothing to add or are unable to improve on a web tool's response, vast swathes of human population will become economically redundant, marking the end of human civilisation as we know it. This is the main goal pursued by big tech, with our monetary support. On 12/24/2023 at 10:00 PM, ryan said: here is the explaination for AI on microsofts CO-PILOT does ai work much like chess To clarify further, the particular part of CoPilot's response which I believe to be problematic was: On 12/24/2023 at 10:00 PM, ryan said: AI is not exactly like chess, which has fixed rules and a finite number of possible moves. The issue with this sentence is that AI is conceptually different from chess. The rest of the response is fine. BTW This highlights one of the main issues issue with using generative AI: if we don't have enough knowledge or time to validate AI's output, we are prone to being misinformed (or worse, i.e. manipulated). Anyway, I suggest we try to keep things friendly and refrain from unnecessary personal angles, lest our dear @Reciever will be forced to intervene yet again. That said, I definitely appreciate the well-meaning career advice 🙂 15 hours ago, Reciever said: Apples and Oranges, I believe. Yes, different concepts. I would say, Apples (chess), Orchard (life) vs Fruit Pickers (chess algorithms very specialised) and Farmer (modern AI algos, more generic - can do broader farming, although maybe a bit slower at picking), but perhaps there is some room for improvement in terms of prompt wording as well. For example the following questions might have guided the bot better: "Does modern AI work like chess engines?", or "What does AI have to do with chess?". "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 sorry for the off putting comment, got wound up 😞 I think in ten years we will have a better idea as to whether this new AI is a threat but then again by then it may be too late. I applaud this topic for being interesting as well as informative full of bright ideas and opinions however it does tend to veer off track. the main question and title of the thread is that AI poses a risk what exactly is this risk and how will it impact us? 1 ZEUS-COMING SOON Omen 16 2021 Zenbook 14 oled Vivobook 15x oled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share Posted December 29, 2023 Thanks for the note @ryan and appreciate the kind words. I would suggest a review of the thread would provide fairly exhaustive answers to those questions, either directly or in the materials of reference. One point though: it's not "this new AI", it's a continuing development of these systems, mostly by big tech (that we know of) that could lead to serious existential threats down the line, as opposed to the plethora of issues and threats already present and impending (including things like autonomous weapons). I think it is important to highlight both categories in this thread, in order to keep track of the evolution the technology, which - at the cutting edge - occurs almost exclusively in the terminal direction of AGI (whether that is intended and very apparent or not). If people have specific questions about the nature of modern AI, it feels right to answer them here as well in order to clarify the picture. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 bro @Etern4l This AI stuff is pretty popular and growing in size/complexity. on my current internet I cant find anything cool to do with ai like making an ai video from text or making a ai picture, or anything. can you share a site for these things. post it and give me a heads up on what not to do lol ZEUS-COMING SOON Omen 16 2021 Zenbook 14 oled Vivobook 15x oled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted January 3 Author Share Posted January 3 Nobel Prize Winner Cautions on Rush Into STEM This highlights yet another existential threat to our civilisation: the Wall-E/idiocracy scenario where humans devolve into docile idiots engaged in endless amusement. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciever Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 7 hours ago, ryan said: bro @Etern4l This AI stuff is pretty popular and growing in size/complexity. on my current internet I cant find anything cool to do with ai like making an ai video from text or making a ai picture, or anything. can you share a site for these things. post it and give me a heads up on what not to do lol Not the correct thread to be making that sort of request. Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aldarxt Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said: Sounds Like HAMAS, I see alot of Potential! 2 Clevo P870DM3-G i9-9900k-32.0GB 2667mhz-RTX3080+GTX1080 Alienware M18x R2 i7-3920xm-32GB DDR3-RTX 3000 Alienware M17x R4 i7-3940XM-16GB DDR3-RTX 3000 Alienware M17x R4 i7-3940XM 20GB DDR3-P4000 120hz 3D Precision m6700 i7-3840QM-16GB DDR3-GTX 970M Precision m4700 i7-3840QM-16GB DDR3-T2000M HP ZBook 17 G6 i7 9850H-32GB DDR4-RTX4000maxQ GOBOXX SLM G2721-i7-10875H RTX 3000-32GB ddr4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cylix Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Damn, this is AI is getting out of hand...goodbye multiplayer gaming... 1 7950X3D| Zotac 4090 AMP Extreme Airo| MSI MPG B650 Edge Wifi| Lian Li Galahad 360 V2| 48GB GSkillTrident Z RGB 7600|Kingston KC3000 2TB| Fury Renegade 2TB| Lian Li O11 Dynamic Evo| Corsair HX1500i| Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo Asus Zephyrus G15 (Ryzen 9 6900HS + RTX3080) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, cylix said: Damn, this is AI is getting out of hand...goodbye multiplayer gaming... I think humanity would survive that one. MP gaming was already rife with game-breaking cheating years ago when I quit. Anyway, too bad there is no footage of the actual thing in action, but based on the description I suspect this MSI implementation will turn out to be a gimmick. Also, it probably wouldn’t be too difficult to ban offending monitors lol "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 Some of the world's most trustworthy people out on a AGI PR damage control duty: Zuckerberg and Altman both tamp down fear and hype with casual statements about AGI. ---- Meanwhile, the AI march towards military applications continues: OpenAI opens the door for military uses but maintains AI weapons ban --- Last but not least, Googlers are hard at work at replacing Googlers, sign of the lovely times I guess: Google lays off “hundreds” more as ad division switches to AI-powered sales 1 "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted January 23 Author Share Posted January 23 3 hours ago, ryan said: yikes, meanwhile im searching for the pros. looking for a video generator, checked out invideo.io was 40 bucks and didnt seem real either its fraud or insanely intelligent. I think its inevitable that jobs will be lost, but the footprint remains unknown. hopefully we (gov) eventually find a way to incorporate AI and use it as a tool to increase quality of life and increase jobs. Err, you opened yourself a thread for that? It would be amazing to read your thoughts on the pros and creative applications of AI there. I know the world is going to hell, so many will opt to just have some mindless AI fun, but less keep this thread factual and focused on the topic. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reciever Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Off Topic posts removed. Inquiries to specific tools has its own thread, as such discussion revolving that should carry on there. Link to that thread can be found below. As always if particular members take issue with Forum etiquette they can always reach out to me to discuss to which I will genuinely try to understand potentially novel perspectives. Passive aggressively threatening to post elsewhere has not been, nor will it ever become a means to effect change. 1 Telegram / TS3 / Twitter 2700X to 5800X3D upgrade! With a 10850K cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 OpenAI went back on a promise to make key documents public Why don’t they just rename the outfit to ClosedAI? Meanwhile, the intelligence community rings AI alarm bells: AI will increase the number and impact of cyberattacks, intel officers say 1 1 "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted February 4 Author Share Posted February 4 A brilliant little piece from The Onion: Artificial Intelligence Explains Why Humans Have Nothing To Worry About As Their Extermination Will Be Swift And Relatively Painless 3 "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpro69 Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/4/24061192/a-company-lost-25-6-million-because-of-a-deepfaked-conference-call I guess AI has it's uses 1 GitHub Currently and formerly owned laptops (specs below): Serenity -> Dell Precision 5560 N-1 -> Dell Precision 5560 (my lady's) Razor Crest -> Lenovo ThinkPad P16 (work) Millenium Falcon -> Dell Precision 5530 (work) Axiom -> Lenovo ThinkPad P52 (work) Moldy Crow -> Dell XPS 15 9550 Spoiler Senenity / N-1: Dell Precision 5560 i7-11800H CPU 1x32 GB DDR4 2,666 MHz 512 GB SSD NVIDIA T1200 FHD+ 1920x1200 PopOS 22.04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted February 5 Author Share Posted February 5 A short mini-documentary on the existential risk posed by AI, and the uncanny parallels with “Don’t look up!”. Remarkable quotes from leading industry and academic figures… 2 "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 On 2/5/2024 at 11:19 AM, serpro69 said: https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/4/24061192/a-company-lost-25-6-million-because-of-a-deepfaked-conference-call I guess AI has it's uses Pretty striking, but probably not something that can be done at scale, as opposed to this: Inside the Underground Site Where ‘Neural Networks’ Churn Out Fake IDs The silver lining here is this will probably accelerate the necessary regulatory interventions. Or so we can hope. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serpro69 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 29 minutes ago, Etern4l said: Pretty striking, but probably not something that can be done at scale, as opposed to this: Inside the Underground Site Where ‘Neural Networks’ Churn Out Fake IDs The silver lining here is this will probably accelerate the necessary regulatory interventions. Or so we can hope. Nah, if it could be done at scale - there would be so much more cases like this. Deepfake will only get you so far in achieving something like this. Still, 25 mil.... that's quite a retirement fund YGive people a tool and they'll find creative ways to abuse it to extremes. I also hope this stuff accelerates regulation, but... idk. Something big needs to actually happen for regulators to start doing and not just talking. "Potentially harmful" scenarios don't seem to have much effect unfortunately. Or they're just too used to close their eyes to whatever bigtech is doing and think "this is just another one of those we-can-let-it-slide-so-long-as-the-money-flows situations" 1 GitHub Currently and formerly owned laptops (specs below): Serenity -> Dell Precision 5560 N-1 -> Dell Precision 5560 (my lady's) Razor Crest -> Lenovo ThinkPad P16 (work) Millenium Falcon -> Dell Precision 5530 (work) Axiom -> Lenovo ThinkPad P52 (work) Moldy Crow -> Dell XPS 15 9550 Spoiler Senenity / N-1: Dell Precision 5560 i7-11800H CPU 1x32 GB DDR4 2,666 MHz 512 GB SSD NVIDIA T1200 FHD+ 1920x1200 PopOS 22.04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted February 6 Author Share Posted February 6 @serpro69 Yeah, even crypto's mass illicit use did not lead to any outright bans. Of course, by default the majority body of corrupt politicians won't do enough in time, so the best case scenario here is that we get to really deep trouble, so deep that that governments have to respond, but not so deep it's too late. We will need a lot of luck to get through this. For an example discussion of regulatory inaction, please see the largely useless (apart from the AI risk conference) UK government: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/feb/06/techscape-uk-artificial-intelligence-government-regulation They are likely afraid Google would move DeepMind to the US in case a harsh regimen is imposed - a race to the regulatory (if not literal) bottom. 1 "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 Having issued a fair warning about the existential risks of AI, Sam F. Altman is now going nuts in order to deliver “the dream”: Report: Sam Altman seeking trillions for AI chip fabrication from UAE, others Meanwhile an Alphabet-owned self-driving car was set ablaze by a crowd in none other than San Francisco. The people are waking up… 2 "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 OpenAI CEO Warns That 'Societal Misalignments' Could Make AI Dangerous Didn’t read the whole thing but rings hollow coming from ClosedAI. "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cylix Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Welcome to the Matrix .. OPENAI unveils SORA AI. Jesus, some of the videos looks so realistic..so i guess we dont need hollywood anymore... Or actors that are alive 😁 Quote We’re teaching AI to understand and simulate the physical world in motion, with the goal of training models that help people solve problems that require real-world interaction. Introducing Sora, our text-to-video model. Sora can generate videos up to a minute long while maintaining visual quality and adherence to the user’s prompt. https://openai.com/sora 2 7950X3D| Zotac 4090 AMP Extreme Airo| MSI MPG B650 Edge Wifi| Lian Li Galahad 360 V2| 48GB GSkillTrident Z RGB 7600|Kingston KC3000 2TB| Fury Renegade 2TB| Lian Li O11 Dynamic Evo| Corsair HX1500i| Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo Asus Zephyrus G15 (Ryzen 9 6900HS + RTX3080) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etern4l Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 21 minutes ago, cylix said: Welcome to the Matrix .. OPENAI unveils SORA AI. Jesus, some of the videos looks so realistic..so i guess we dont need hollywood anymore... Or actors that are alive 😁 https://openai.com/sora Cherry picked output examples for sure, but in general a step in this direction has been inevitable. Given how difficult it is to get image generators to produce exactly what you want, let’s wait and see how useful this will prove in practice. The other question would be regarding rendering time and cost. I know a guy high up at a major VFX company, will be able to get an authoritative answer in a few months. What’s worrying is the potential for fake news generation and other illicit uses, where production value criteria are often relaxed. 2 1 "We're rushing towards a cliff, but the closer we get, the more scenic the views are." -- Max Tegmark AI: Major Emerging Existential Threat To Humanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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