M17x R3 and PG106 card half way, need help.

[Lex_Amorph]

Hello, friends, I now in battle with server/mining card GP106 4gb (analog GeForce GTX 1060 6gb, but cropped and without video outputs). Use unlocked A12 bios in my M17x r3, card is visible, but cannot run in PEG, return black screen and 6 beeps, after bios reset run only in SG. Also use last version of modded nvidia drivers with Nvcleaninstall, in Windows 10 pro and GPU-Z card displayed like NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060, but in NVIDIA Inspector, GeForce experience and Nvidia control panel card is visible like NVIDIA graphics device and games run under intel HD graphics 3000. Fn+F7 show me message about switching card, but not suggest reboot and anyway use intel 3000. After manual disabling this driver in windows until reboot this GP106 card is try to use, but VERY slow, nothing similar like must be and all options is blocked. AIDA64 pass GPGPU test and also see 3d accelerator like must be. Maybe somebody have experience with such card with this notebook and can help me to make this card working?    

[Maxware79]

Hopefully @ssj92 can assist you with this. You seem to have got further than other people with the 10 series cards so I wish you luck getting it working properly. 

[Lex_Amorph]

It sounds absolutely crazy, but looks like I solve question, very strange, very unreal, but fact, I check disco elysium, couple other games, games loading slow, but only till menu, I add all preferences to maximum and game run smooth and with good image. I mod this driver "425.31-desktop-win10-64bit-international-whql" via NVCleanstall, with hardware support, as donor take quadro 2000 with name Nvidia GP106 4GB. Driver installed well, in nvidia control panel card name is simple "Graphics Device", almost all options are gone, but added one, which give sense for all this dances, choose preferrable graphic processor, with "high performance nvidia processor" option. In previous geforce drivers this options was unavailable. Maybe exist more pretty solution, I'm sure, more skilled and experiences alienware owners now rofl from this frankenstein, but it's, at least, work )))) 

 

[Maks0098]

@Lex_Amorph, Perhaps you could get it to work with a newer driver with a GTX 1060 notebook base using the method described by ssj92 to set the use of a different card through the Windows register. And have you tried setting the video card in Windows itself?

[Maks0098]

here it is

[Lex_Amorph]

Hello again, friends. I make this switch in register using the method described by ssj92. Anyway in nvidia control panel I choose "high performance nvidia processor" option, so DX11 games run perfectly, but DX12 games not. I delete driver with DDU and make another modded drivers based latest "561.09-notebook-win10-win11-64bit-international-nsd-dch-whql" drivers, and take NVIDIA GeForce 1060 GTX as donor for hardware support via NVCleanstall. After install card as usual, in nvidia control panel card name is "Nvidia Graphics Device" again, but games, which require DX12 and previously don't work now starts, but VERY slow, real real slow. So what's happend? This GP106 card support DX12, if use 1060 GTX base? But why so slow and bad? Maybe need other driver version? Or other card as donor in NVCleanstall, maybe? Now I return back previous version, but take quadro p3000 as donor, again DX11 games works, DX12 won't start. Maybe I missed something? Or need other version of drivers? Still need some help.

[panda_zzz]

It is quite possible that for your particular graphics chip there are problems with dx12 - all the same on the mining versions of cards go discarded video chips with some reduction of computational blocks.
Plus in the generation of Pascal is not full realization of modern requirements of the standard dx12, perhaps Diablo4 like Alan Wake 2 wants full realization.
Plus the gp106 graphics chip itself in your graphics card is weaker than in a similar 1060m:
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-gp106.g797
Well and it is possible that the drivers are not working correctly in some way, and I would advise you to use the 1060m as a template for NVCleanstall, not its stationary version.

[Lex_Amorph]

Thank you, mate, I try few other versions of drivers, still the same. And I see one strange thing, I check settings in nvidia control panel and see DX12 now used and card have 12.1 support too. But not in games. It's enough new card, 2019 year, and it's server version GP106 with 4gb memory instead 6gb, like normal 1060. I ask man, which make the same and sell similar M17x R3 with such card on ebay, he answer, my solution is the best possible way, and he also can't find, how to work this card with DX!2. But I'm not sure, it's enough new card for DX12, even server version.

[panda_zzz]

Unfortunately, I can't say anything for sure here. I've encountered mining versions of the Turing line and they were supposed to have tensor cores to support rtx technology, but in fact they were not there or they were disabled at a very low level, and it was impossible to enable them with drivers. Maybe you have a similar picture

[ssj92]

This is a universal issue right now for M17xR3 & M18xR1 when using SG (Optimus mode). 

 

RTX 3000 & RTX 5000 both have this issue for me too when I use SG mode. 

 

Basically the card can only render DX11 and older. DX12 and newer doesn't work for some reason (which is weird because newer laptops with HD4000/4600 work fine). It's some weird issue with HD 3000. 

 

The other issue is...any driver after 425 when using SG mode will not allow the GPU to render. It defaults to iGPU. By using 425.XX or older drivers, the dGPU works as render card. 

 

My solution in M18xR1 was to use a nVidia GPU in primary slot (such as 680M, 780M, 880M, or M1000M/M2000M) and then the beast in slot 2 (RTX 5000). Using this method I can use everything even ray tracing. 

 

But on M17xR3 this is not possible, so we need to figure out the driver issue. 

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/115357776?

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/115355471?

[Lex_Amorph]

Thank you, friends. So, looks like, with this card I haven't chance on my M17x R3 to use DX12. But I was close, I even start this games, but very slow ) I also have M18x R1, try your method, ssj92, with GF 560m and something like rtx 2060, but I have dead battery, and not sure, if my bios is unlocked.

[sliderfra]

On 9/25/2024 at 1:35 PM, Lex_Amorph said:

Thank you, friends. So, looks like, with this card I haven't chance on my M17x R3 to use DX12. But I was close, I even start this games, but very slow ) I also have M18x R1, try your method, ssj92, with GF 560m and something like rtx 2060, but I have dead battery, and not sure, if my bios is unlocked.

go into the BIOS. If you have thourough ADVANCED options availables, it means BIOS is unlocked.

Unfortunately with the R3, your best best is 880M GTX. Any card above 880m won't work perfectly.

Your best shot would be to order R4 motherboard and swap it. At least with the R4, there's no limitation.

[ssj92]

On 10/5/2024 at 11:42 PM, sliderfra said:

go into the BIOS. If you have thourough ADVANCED options availables, it means BIOS is unlocked.

Unfortunately with the R3, your best best is 880M GTX. Any card above 880m won't work perfectly.

Your best shot would be to order R4 motherboard and swap it. At least with the R4, there's no limitation.

GP106 Compute card

RTX 3000 (Aetina/AdLink)

RTX 5000 (HP)

 

Can all work with SG mode but limited to DX11 and older titles. 

 

I have RTX 5000 working in M18xR1 

[sliderfra]

On 10/14/2024 at 8:14 PM, ssj92 said:

GP106 Compute card

RTX 3000 (Aetina/AdLink)

RTX 5000 (HP)

 

Can all work with SG mode but limited to DX11 and older titles. 

 

I have RTX 5000 working in M18xR1 

Yeah so it's not 100% working.

Did you get the RTX to work on R1 in PEG using an nvidia primary GPU (like an old 560m gtx) for the internal screen?

[ssj92]

On 10/15/2024 at 1:18 PM, sliderfra said:

Yeah so it's not 100% working.

Did you get the RTX to work on R1 in PEG using an nvidia primary GPU (like an old 560m gtx) for the internal screen?

It is 100% working in PEG. I can use everything even ray tracing. It can keep up with M18xR2. 

 

M2000M in primary and RTX 5000 in secondary allows it to use latest drivers too. 

 

 

 

 

[sliderfra]

16 hours ago, ssj92 said:

It is 100% working in PEG. I can use everything even ray tracing. It can keep up with M18xR2. 

 

M2000M in primary and RTX 5000 in secondary allows it to use latest drivers too. 

 

 

 

 

Wow!

That's incredible job!

 

[Maxware79]

On 11/16/2024 at 4:17 AM, ssj92 said:

It is 100% working in PEG. I can use everything even ray tracing. It can keep up with M18xR2. 

 

M2000M in primary and RTX 5000 in secondary allows it to use latest drivers too. 

 

 

 

 

 

So there is no need to use SG mode in the R1 or R2 these days if you have a compatible card in the primary slot?

Unless you want to use an NVMe adapter of course. 

[Lex_Amorph]

But m17xR3 don't support PEG anyway. 

[Jerryzago]

2 hours ago, Lex_Amorph said:

But m17xR3 don't support PEG anyway. 

Isn't there an unlocked BIOS for it? 17 R1 also does not support PEG, but bios unlocked does. 

[ssj92]

17 hours ago, Lex_Amorph said:

But m17xR3 don't support PEG anyway. 

 

 

  My M17xR3 is always on PEG mode because I have the 120hz display. 

23 hours ago, Maxware79 said:

 

So there is no need to use SG mode in the R1 or R2 these days if you have a compatible card in the primary slot?

Unless you want to use an NVMe adapter of course. 

I haven't tested PEG using this method in R2 but yes if you don't care for the NVMe adapter this also works. It is a bit more work initially though since you need to configure windows with which gpu is high performance and power savings. Also both GPUs should be still supported in the drivers. 

 

For example, when I had 880M, RTX 5000 was a pain to install, I had to use older geforce drivers and install as a rtx 2080. 

 

But now with M2000M in primary, which is still supported, I can install one driver. 

 

I think for R2/AW18 SG is probably still better.