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Per the request of mattyb3, and area-51 ALX over on the dell forums, I'll be moving my posts pertaining to Alienware over here from now on. With that out of the way, here's what happened.

I recently did an extremely low budget build for a friend based off of the m17x R2. Initially, I specced it out with 16gb DDR3, a 940XM CPU, and a GTX 660m I had lying around. While the 660 is kind of impressively good at being a display adapter where there would have otherwise not been one, it's performance leaves something to be desired. Because of that, a few days ago I tested my own Pascal Quadro p4000 that I currently have in my own M17x R4, in the M17x R2. While the internal RGBLED display did not function at all, when I disconnected the display, and attempted to use the HDMI port, I got a display output and successfully booted into windows. It should be noted that the M17x R2 lacks integrated graphics, so that display output HAS to be coming from the GPU. Since I was booting off of stock windows drivers, I got no temperature readings, so I shut it off quite readily in order to ensure the safety of my Quadro. 
This won't be the end of the story however, as I might be getting one of those elusive zotac 1080's for my M17x R4, and if I do, I'll be selling the Quadro to my friend for his R2. My plan for installing it is to first use an LVDS controller board, and an old R4 screen I have to connect the HDMI port to the internal display. From there, I'll simply boot into windows, and then grab the GPU instance path, then shut it off, and .inf mod the drivers on a different system before transferring them to minimize the risk of cooking the GPU. Cooling will be a bit of an issue, as the R2 is only designed for 75 watt cards, but I did see an old forum post about getting a 100w AMD card to run in the 60's with extremely thin thermal paste and high mounting pressure. This bodes well for the p4000, as it's both not particularly power hungry, and actually seemed to fit perfectly under the stock heatsink for the r2, something the 660m doesn't do. 

I'll keep yall updated if I go on to the next stage of the project or not.

P.S. Have a picture of my P4000 for the heck of it.

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Thanks @StripeySnake! Really interesting to see a P4000 in the R2. Would love to see some benchmarks if you can get everything working. Did the GPU fan spool up at all? 

 

 

@UltraGSM @ssj92 seems like an interesting project

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I'm not sure if It did. All it was was a trial run, the 660 dosen't spin the fans either, so we had to use HWINFO for manual fan control.

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I will definitely benchmark it if I get everything running. From my tests in my own laptop, the p4000 tends to bench substantially better than the 1060 6gb MXM card, but a bit behind the 1070. That makes a lot of sense because of the much larger core count over the 1060, but much lower boost clock than the 1070.

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Getting the internal display working will be very interesting. I wish you luck.

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The point is, I won't be using the internal display. I already have an M17x R4 display, and an LVDS controller board that enables it to connect to an HDMI port. I'm just going to mount that in the place of the R2 display, and fit the controller board inside where the second MXM gpu would be. Then I'll run a flat FPC HDMI cable under the keyboard to the external HDMI port, essentially creating an internal external display. This will require an extra power connector, which won't be able to come from the battery, but this hardly matters as the battery for the machine is long dead and replacement's simply don't exist. Thanks for wishing me luck, I'll definitely need it.

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Welp, I did it. I got a Zotac 1080 on ebay, so if it works out in my R4, then the p4000 will end up in the r2 within a month or two.

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Awesome, good luck!

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Thanks. I'll definitely make a post on how the 1080 goes. I'm exited to see if I can get it to run on 60hz and the like, and how temps and TDP are. Also as a footnote, I stress tested my P4000 in furmark and saw a max temp of 63 c and power draw of just 65 watts. I have a lot of hope for it in the R2, as the R2 only can really handle 75 watt cards. That was running at full speed with no undervolt or performance drops either, so as long as it can be compatible it should be cooled and fueled properly.

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I disassembled the old broken battery for the M17x R2, and found that it uses 9 now nonfunctional LG LGDB118650 cells. Nobody sells that exact part number anymore, but I was wondering if anyone who knows a bit about batteries might be able to help me find some that have the same specs. Thanks!
P.S. 1080 comes tomorrow.

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1080 should work in M17xR4. Size is slightly bigger if you ordered Aetina 1080 like the rest of us.

 

It is wired for eDP so it'll work with 120Hz display or if you are using 60Hz display, as long as you see both intel gpu and nvidia gpu it'll work as well. 

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The 1080 is not showing up in BIOS. From what I know this means that it either dosen't work or I need an unlocked BIOS. Unfortunately, I can't find any single unlocked BIOS tutorial that's not so old that none of it's links work. Can anyone help with this?

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The BIOS should be available here but if it's not then let me know. There are some tools that need to be included with the BIOS file.

 

 

Installation is usually generally easy and I'll try and find a guide. TechInferno should also have a guide.

 

I'm not sure why the unlocked BIOS would be required though

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Thanks, that's the right BIOS. The issue I'm running into is actually installing it, as everything I've found points to using a bootable USB drive, but all the links and such related to that aren't present or working. I did find a tutorial on techinferno, but the part about setting up the actual bootable USB is very unclear, and has broken links.

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Yes you definitely need a bootable USB drive. Just grab a spare one and use RUFUS to format it and then you put all the BIOS files and tools into the root directory. Restart the laptop and go into the boot menu (F12) and select the USB. Then you run the PRR tool. Let me have a quick look to see if I can find the exact technique. It's been a while. 

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Hopefully this helps and hopefully the files you have include everything you need. 

 

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If you don't have the fpt and prr2 then try my Dropbox

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3u0hqst2cg7276t/AACxTHilIBnYk9_YaEF_hN6-a?dl=0

 

It should automatically run the prr2 tool (well I'm pretty sure it did on my M18x R2) but you'll need to run flash.bat to start the flash. My M18x BIOS file had a flash.bat file so make sure that your R4 also has it somewhere.

 

As always, flash at your own risk. I've done the M18x a few times and never had an issue but it's been a long time since I've tried the M17x R4. 

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I finally got the BIOS flashed using a bootable MS DOS USB, and it went great, but the GPU still doesn't appear in bios. One thing I did notice was that the GPU slowly does heat up over time, which gives me some hope that it might still be fixable. I was thinking of trying a reflow, but will probably hold off for a bit to troubleshoot.

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I finally got the BIOS flashed using a bootable MS DOS USB, and it went great, but the GPU still doesn't appear in bios. One thing I did notice was that the GPU slowly does heat up over time, which gives me some hope that it might still be fixable. I was thinking of trying a reflow, but will probably hold off for a bit to troubleshoot.

Don't reflow, like ever. First thing you should do is take a multimeter to the card and check resistances on all of the main power rails. 

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What laptop are you installing it in? I thought you were talking about the R4 this time but maybe I was wrong. 

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The card is a Zotac GTX 1080 MXM, and I installed it in my M17x R4 (2012) It does not detect in bios, but does heat up over time in the laptop. Additionally, there is no visible damage whatsoever to the card, and none of the larger pins on the MXM connector (i'm pretty sure those are the power rails based off of MXM convention) are shorted with each other.

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Bad cards can still get warm, I have a stack of dead MXM cards in the garage.

 

Not detecting in the BIOS isn't a good sign. Did you say before that you had it running in this laptop previously?

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Ah I thought it was Aetina 1080. You may need to flash vBIOS with a different one. 

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How would I flash the Vbios? In windows I couldn't flash it, but I haven't tried through MS DOS or external device. I was thinking of getting one of those clips/microcontrollers that lets you flash a bios from an external device and might try that. 

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M17x R4 - 3630QM, Quadro P4000, 16gb DDR3L 1600 Mhz 

M17x R2 - i7 920XM @ 3.4 Ghz, GTX 770m 2gb, 16gb DDR3

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