Clevo X580 TBA at CES 2025 - 18", 4+4 drives and memory, 2xTB5

[the jg89]

Decided to bite the bullet and get it myself from here https://www.scan.co.uk/products/18-3xs-vengeance-5090-240hz-qhdplus-1610-24gb-nvidia-rtx-5090-core-ultra-9-275hx-64gb-ddr5-2tb-m2-wi

 

One thing to note is that the preorder thing right there is misleading, had to get in touch with customer sevice to realize that it's made to order and build, you have to go here to do it https://www.scan.co.uk/3xs/custom/gaming/laptop#anc

lol

[1610ftw]

6 hours ago, the jg89 said:

Decided to bite the bullet and get it myself from here https://www.scan.co.uk/products/18-3xs-vengeance-5090-240hz-qhdplus-1610-24gb-nvidia-rtx-5090-core-ultra-9-275hx-64gb-ddr5-2tb-m2-wi

 

One thing to note is that the preorder thing right there is misleading, had to get in touch with customer sevice to realize that it's made to order and build, you have to go here to do it https://www.scan.co.uk/3xs/custom/gaming/laptop#anc

lol

 

Cool 🙂

Let us know how things work out with your SSDs!

[Developer79]

It's a real shame that Clevo no longer manufactures high-end laptops like the P870xx. It's unfortunate.
It seems that the only option is to build one generation and then purchase a new laptop.

[1610ftw]

16 hours ago, Developer79 said:

It's a real shame that Clevo no longer manufactures high-end laptops like the P870xx. It's unfortunate.
It seems that the only option is to build one generation and then purchase a new laptop.

 

The X580 is kind of a return to form after the lackluster X270 and X370 but they did not go all the way like with the X170 that in many aspects was a very good design.

[Developer79]

6 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

 

The X580 is kind of a return to form after the lackluster X270 and X370 but they did not go all the way like with the X170 that in many aspects was a very good design.

From a technical point of view, the P870xx is the best Clevo has ever produced. The X170xx was already a departure from high-end, and although it had some good features, overall I am only convinced by the P870xx model series from a technical point of view! If I were a developer at Clevo, I would update the motherboard of the P870xx to the latest Intel 14/15/16 Gen. and no longer use MXM, but simply Flat PCIe x16 5.0 with an extra vapor chamber. In other words, a normal desktop graphics card. My development shows that it works!!!

[1610ftw]

5 minutes ago, Developer79 said:

From a technical point of view, the P870xx is the best Clevo has ever produced. The X170xx was already a departure from high-end, and although it had some good features, overall I am only convinced by the P870xx model series from a technical point of view! If I were a developer at Clevo, I would update the motherboard of the P870xx to the latest Intel 14/15/16 Gen. and no longer use MXM, but simply Flat PCIe x16 5.0 with an extra vapor chamber. In other words, a normal desktop graphics card. My development shows that it works!!!

 

The P870 is a better desktop but it had issues cooling the 9th gen CPUs. The X170 was the better laptop except for the stupid dual power supply construction:

• much better sound
• better keyboard
• better fans 
• unified heatsink

I would also have preferred to see those improvements in a slightly bigger chassis with even better cooling but Clevo probably thought it would be overkill. Looking at the size of 5080 and 5090 desktop cards minus the cooler it is indeed a shame that nobody puts them in a laptop. We know it is possible to cool up to 400W of GPU in a laptop as has been shown by SLI designs from Clevo and MSI.

[Developer79]

44 minutes ago, 1610ftw said:

 

The P870 is a better desktop but it had issues cooling the 9th gen CPUs. The X170 was the better laptop except for the stupid dual power supply construction:

• much better sound
• better keyboard
• better fans 
• unified heatsink

I would also have preferred to see those improvements in a slightly bigger chassis with even better cooling but Clevo probably thought it would be overkill. Looking at the size of 5080 and 5090 desktop cards minus the cooler it is indeed a shame that nobody puts them in a laptop. We know it is possible to cool up to 400W of GPU in a laptop as has been shown by SLI designs from Clevo and MSI.

That's debatable; all the points you mentioned also apply to the P870xx. The cooling for the P870xx is the best cooling available for a laptop. Take a look at the P870TM thread. My development in the P870xx with RTX30xx MXM does not exceed 60 degrees compared to the X170xx. Apart from that, I have made it possible to integrate the RTX30xx MXM into the P870xx. And yes, my electrical development for the P870xx makes it possible to run desktop cards integrated. With x16 connection. The RTX5070 FE fits very well into the P870xx. My latest development makes it possible to run resolutions in UHD up to 144Hz on the laptop display. Yes, the developers at Clevo could design everything the way I do, but unfortunately there are always obstacles due to the monetary system!!!!

[1610ftw]

1 hour ago, Developer79 said:

That's debatable; all the points you mentioned also apply to the P870xx. The cooling for the P870xx is the best cooling available for a laptop. Take a look at the P870TM thread. My development in the P870xx with RTX30xx MXM does not exceed 60 degrees compared to the X170xx. Apart from that, I have made it possible to integrate the RTX30xx MXM into the P870xx. And yes, my electrical development for the P870xx makes it possible to run desktop cards integrated. With x16 connection. The RTX5070 FE fits very well into the P870xx. My latest development makes it possible to run resolutions in UHD up to 144Hz on the laptop display. Yes, the developers at Clevo could design everything the way I do, but unfortunately there are always obstacles due to the monetary system!!!!

 

Not sure what the argument is here. Clearly an desktop GPU board would only fit in the P870 but for using it as is the X170 is a better laptop because the added capability of the P870 to use a second GPU is not of much use any more and does not outweigh the keyboard, sound and lesser CPU cooling. In any case what is holding the P870 back the most is by now the CPU unless maybe you manage to put a 5080 in there for 4K gaming where frame rates will be affected the least.

[Clamibot]

6 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

 

Not sure what the argument is here. Clearly an desktop GPU board would only fit in the P870 but for using it as is the X170 is a better laptop because the added capability of the P870 to use a second GPU is not of much use any more and does not outweigh the keyboard, sound and lesser CPU cooling. In any case what is holding the P870 back the most is by now the CPU unless maybe you manage to put a 5080 in there for 4K gaming where frame rates will be affected the least.

 

I'd have to argue against your assertion that the P870's second GPU slot is not of much use nowadays, as dual GPU configs are having quite the revival right now due to Lossless Scaling being able to utilize 2 GPUs to render any game. The caveat is that this pseudo SLI/Crossfire revival is only amongst technical users, not the general public.

 

Additionally, there are productivity workflows that benefit from multi GPU configs such as lightmap baking, scientific computing, and video rendering just to list a few. Admittedly, these tasks are better performed on multi GPU desktops, but a multi GPU laptop is a boon for people like me who want or need all our compute power everywhere we go.

 

For the general public though, your statement does in fact hold true. I'm making an argument on a great degree of technicality here, and it really only applies to a niche set of users. I don't think the general public has really ever been interested in multi GPU configs due to the cost. However, the P870 is definitely a laptop oriented towards more technical users, so I think the multi GPU capability is still very much useful. I believe a dual RTX 3080 MXM laptop would have a little more GPU compute or similar GPU compute to the current top dog RTX 5090 laptop.

 

Having said that, I like the X170 a lot as well. It has the best speakers I've ever heard in a laptop and has VERY good CPU side cooling capabilities.

 

I'd really like multi GPU laptops to make a return to the market. They're awesome. Apparently it may even be possible to get a 40 series core working on a 30 series MXM board according to Khenglish, so it'll be interesting to see where that goes. Dual RTX 4090 P870? That would be a sight to see.

[Maro97]

That’s absolutely true, and the P870TM has indeed been tested with dual RTX 3080 in SLI, and the results were higher than a single RTX 4090 mobile (175W). However, it’s absolutely impossible to solder and install an RTX 4090 GPU chipset onto an RTX 3090 MXM board, as this has already been tested and the chip does not work on that board. This is because the circuit designs of the 3080 and 4090 are different. The 30 series graphics cards operate at 1.8V, whereas the 4090 operates at 1.2V.

[Maro97]

Look this is 4090 ..

But Did not succeed.

 

[win32asmguy]

2 hours ago, Maro97 said:

That’s absolutely true, and the P870TM has indeed been tested with dual RTX 3080 in SLI, and the results were higher than a single RTX 4090 mobile (175W). However, it’s absolutely impossible to solder and install an RTX 4090 GPU chipset onto an RTX 3090 MXM board, as this has already been tested and the chip does not work on that board. This is because the circuit designs of the 3080 and 4090 are different. The 30 series graphics cards operate at 1.8V, whereas the 4090 operates at 1.2V.

 

Well, the new Uniwill IDY now has a modular, full wattage 5070ti - 5090 mobile. Probably the first I have seen since the X170 as a full wattage modular part. No guarantees of upgrades but I am sure someone with a 5070ti + Intel could switch to 5090 if desired.

 

Its kind of funny that Uniwill is now producing more modular products than Clevo. I am not interested in their watercooling addons but I do appreciate everything else they are doing engineering-wise.

[1610ftw]

23 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

Its kind of funny that Uniwill is now producing more modular products than Clevo. I am not interested in their watercooling addons but I do appreciate everything else they are doing engineering-wise.

 

It is very impressive that for high performance laptops Uniwill / Tongfang are leading the way in several areas:

• modularity
• cooling 
• bios customizeability thanks to working with Prema
• Intel and AMD option for the CPU

To be fair to Clevo they are not exceptionally bad with regard to modularity but they have fallen in line with everybody else and they are still not back at the top when it comes to cooling capacity. Luckily the combination of improved cooling over last gen and a CPU that needs less power will give a lot better results but the 330W power supply already shows that they are not that serious about performance. 

[Maro97]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/uhpilcl/worlds-first-built-in-split-type-water-cooled-gaming-laptop

[Clamibot]

9 hours ago, Maro97 said:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/uhpilcl/worlds-first-built-in-split-type-water-cooled-gaming-laptop

 

Now that's a real laptop! We need Clevo to make something like that.

[the jg89]

hey @win32asmguy is it possible to give me a full gpu spec of the rtx 5090m with info like number of teraflops? there's one in techpowerup but it's inaccurate.

 

also is the cooling worse or better than the p775 tm1g?

[win32asmguy]

9 hours ago, the jg89 said:

hey @win32asmguy is it possible to give me a full gpu spec of the rtx 5090m with info like number of teraflops? there's one in techpowerup but it's inaccurate.

 

also is the cooling worse or better than the p775 tm1g?

 

Here is GPU-Z from the Hydroc G2:

 

 

I am guessing the X580 cooling is on par with the P775TM1-G as they are both designed for around 250W combined loads IIRC.

[the jg89]

44 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Here is GPU-Z from the Hydroc G2:

 

 

I am guessing the X580 cooling is on par with the P775TM1-G as they are both designed for around 250W combined loads IIRC.

I mean from the X580 that you bought, you already posted the mini spec sheet from that laptop on here but I was wondering if there was a way to tell how many teraflops you have in the x580 laptop, if it's not possible that's fine, Thanks for letting me know about the cooling 🙂

[1610ftw]

On 5/17/2025 at 11:04 PM, Maro97 said:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/uhpilcl/worlds-first-built-in-split-type-water-cooled-gaming-laptop

 

That has some crazy potential with a 980W power supply and water cooling but it has to have a bigger screen and a proper keyboard.

 

No idea who gave input on this but with a QHD+ 18" and a proper full keyboard with numpad it would be a much more tempting option. I can understand that they may want to have a mousepad in there and possibly it is difficult to place it in front of the keyboard or it would increase height but in my opinion that is not necessary for what is really a mobile desktop.

 

When you always need a power outlet you should also be able to bring a mouse even if the trackpad cannot be moved down in front of the keyboard.

 

Oh and I wonder about their battery option - would be nice to at least have some one or two hours of battery life and it would probably help with sales.

[Developer79]

On 5/16/2025 at 11:01 AM, 1610ftw said:

 

Not sure what the argument is here. Clearly an desktop GPU board would only fit in the P870 but for using it as is the X170 is a better laptop because the added capability of the P870 to use a second GPU is not of much use any more and does not outweigh the keyboard, sound and lesser CPU cooling. In any case what is holding the P870 back the most is by now the CPU unless maybe you manage to put a 5080 in there for 4K gaming where frame rates will be affected the least.

You've misunderstood something: with its SLI capability, the P870xx initially takes up a lot of space in the case due to its geometry! This is independent of the electrical capabilities. Thanks to my specially developed board, it is now also possible to convert SLI mode to x16 PCIe standard mode, just like any normal PC motherboard. All of this takes place inside the case and also makes it possible to integrate a desktop GPU card into the P870xx!

[1610ftw]

24 minutes ago, Developer79 said:

You've misunderstood something: with its SLI capability, the P870xx initially takes up a lot of space in the case due to its geometry! This is independent of the electrical capabilities. Thanks to my specially developed board, it is now also possible to convert SLI mode to x16 PCIe standard mode, just like any normal PC motherboard. All of this takes place inside the case and also makes it possible to integrate a desktop GPU card into the P870xx!

 

I do not think that I misunderstood. My point was that in stock condition and as intended the x170 is the better laptop due to a number of factors with one very important one being the demise of SLI. Can the P870 be made better with a lot of effort and specialized knowledge? Clearly it can but that does not negate my point about the X170 being a better overall laptop in stock condition.

 

As the  P870 already has a thread where this is discussed I suggest we take this discussion there as I think that what you are doing with the P870 chassis is pretty cool.

[Maro97]

I believe that soon everything in laptops will be soldered into the motherboard—not just the GPU and CPU, but also the RAM and storage. This will be more cost-effective for companies over time and will further restrict users’ ability to upgrade or replace components. It’s an extreme example of corporate greed. 

Gaming Laptops will become like gaming consoles with led screen — designed to save money on development and to force users to replace their laptops instead of upgrading them.

[Developer79]

2 hours ago, Maro97 said:

I believe that soon everything in laptops will be soldered into the motherboard—not just the GPU and CPU, but also the RAM and storage. This will be more cost-effective for companies over time and will further restrict users’ ability to upgrade or replace components. It’s an extreme example of corporate greed. 

Gaming Laptops will become like gaming consoles with led screen — designed to save money on development and to force users to replace their laptops instead of upgrading them.

It's because of the monetary system, that's the real reason why everything is the way it is!!!

[Maro97]

Our hope depends on the development of the MXM adapter project, which we’re eagerly looking forward to seeing soon.

[the jg89]

Got the laptop and I have good news and bad news,

Good news - the ssd fits into each slot without trouble.

Bad news - I can't close the bottom completely T_T

 

Even removed the metal plate and still won't close, might have to return it to fix the metal plate.

would be great if somone made a custom bottom cover for this to work.