Clevo P570WM MXM upgradability forum

[SuperMG3]

Hello here's a group about Clevo P570WM compatibility list of MXM Graphics cards.

 

The Clevo P570WM has two MXM slots. This laptop doesn't have integrated graphics, so no Optimus. Both MXM slots could provide PCIe Gen 3 speeds.

 

This laptop has two motherboard versions: one that's for LVDS display 60Hz and one that's for eDP display 120Hz (V2.2 of the board).

 

LVDS display boards can allow from GTX 400M Fermi all the way up to GTX 900M Maxwell. "Beta Sample/Engineering Sample" of Pascal VBIOS cards could potentially work (didn't test)

 

eDP display boards can allow from GTX 600M Kepler to RTX Turing with brightness control at 120Hz. eDP display should be on port DP_D.

 

Yes you heard it, RTX Turing works on this laptop with HP or Dell VBIOS. I tested with an RTX 3000, so other models from the same era should work (T1000, T2000, RTX 4000/5000). I didn't test Aetina, GETEC, ADlink Turing cards. I heard some don't even have eDP.

 

What about Ampere and Ada MXM cards? It depends on the manufacturer and the VBIOS the card has. I can guarantee you that anything above Pascal won't work on LVDS displays.

 

Same goes for cards that don't support eDP out on DP_D. 

 

I tested RTX 4070 MXM from X-VISION. It has eDP but only for the DP_D out. I still don't understand why it doesn't work on my laptop. Meanwhile, DP and HDMI external outputs were working.

 

But there's a workaround to make newer cards to work on Clevo P570WM while using the laptop's display.

 

Use the master MXM slot as display.

 

LVDS: Maxwell for master (best is GTX 980 or M5000M)

eDP: Pascal or Turing for master (best is Quadro P5200 or Quadro RTX 5000)

 

Use the secondary MXM slot as renderer.

 

RTX 3060/3070/3080/4060/4070/4080/4090 for slave.

 

I would recommend a card that's below 115W TDP because the original heatsink won't handle anything above the mentioned TDP.

 

You need to do some workarounds in the Windows registry to make the slave's card the main DirectX and OpenGL card.

 

The drivers should be at the same version. There are no FPS limits unlike on Alienware M18X R2/M17X R4 with the Intel HD that's capping everything at 60FPS max.

 

For AMD cards, I haven't tested anything on the first master slot. I only tested an HD 8970M which worked on eDP.

Edited Thursday at 06:07 PM by SuperMG3

[SuperMG3]

I asked the manufacturer of the RTX 4070 MXM if they can switch the DP_D to DP_C output for the eDP compatibility.

 

The manufacturer ignored me but did give me a tracking number for the incoming RTX 4090 115W I bought.

 

If all of the 4060/4070 from X-VISION have eDP on DP_C it would be a big win for most of 2012-2018 laptops. We can have the 4060/4070 display in the internal screen!

 

EDIT: Manufacturer answered to me and said they can't do it.

 

EDIT 2: I found something.

 

DP_A = DP/DVI?

DP_B = DP

DP_C = HDMI

DP_D = eDP

 

But why does the DP_D for eDP on the 4070 doesn't work tho? But it works for RTX 3000 Turing

 

Because HP Zbook G5/G6 have eDP out on port DP_D and that's how I got the P5200 and RTX 3000 Turing to work on my 120Hz eDP screen.

Edited Wednesday at 11:32 PM by SuperMG3

[SuperMG3]

Hello again. Here are some news.

 

I tried to flash 3 different vbios on the RTX 4070 MXM.

 

One that's NVIDIA Generic ID 2860.

One that's Dell ID 2860

One that's HP ID 2820.

 

None displayed on the eDP screen... 

 

Maybe the RTX 4070 MXM doesn't have eDP lines? Even if the seller told me that the card has it.. but on their website it doesn't precise it.

[JadeRover]

Hi,

 

I am also having similar problems, altough with a much older GPU, the 1060 MXM. It's a zotac card that was in a mini PC so no eDP output on the original vBIOS. I am trying to run it on a Zbook 17 g3 that has a 30pin 60Hz 1080p eDP diplay.

 

I flashed mine with a clevo 1060 vBIOS that should support eDP (probably port DP_D as it is the kinda standard).

 

This is a screenshot of the block diagram of this clevo, as you can see the GTX 1060 is connected to a mux that then connects to the panel, just like on my Zbook 17 g3.

 

Even in NVIDIA control panel it shows that the card has 4 display outs, including the square connector (laptop display) however, when putting my laptop in discrete graphics mod in the BIOS, I get no picture on the internal diplay. The external HDMI works.

This is an internet screenshot, but I see this rectangular connector on my Nvidia control panel. 

I'm suspecting the no output on the internal eDP could be due to UEFI but I've changed the settings many times and no cigar.

[SuperMG3]

3 hours ago, JadeRover said:

Hi,

 

I am also having similar problems, altough with a much older GPU, the 1060 MXM. It's a zotac card that was in a mini PC so no eDP output on the original vBIOS. I am trying to run it on a Zbook 17 g3 that has a 30pin 60Hz 1080p eDP diplay.

 

I flashed mine with a clevo 1060 vBIOS that should support eDP (probably port DP_D as it is the kinda standard).

 

This is a screenshot of the block diagram of this clevo, as you can see the GTX 1060 is connected to a mux that then connects to the panel, just like on my Zbook 17 g3.

 

Even in NVIDIA control panel it shows that the card has 4 display outs, including the square connector (laptop display) however, when putting my laptop in discrete graphics mod in the BIOS, I get no picture on the internal diplay. The external HDMI works.

This is an internet screenshot, but I see this rectangular connector on my Nvidia control panel. 

I'm suspecting the no output on the internal eDP could be due to UEFI but I've changed the settings many times and no cigar.

Probably your card doesn't even have eDP. Even if the VBIOS says it has. Yours don't have the physical lines for it.

 

That's what I'm suspecting on my card. You should just buy a regular pascal card from Dell/HP/OEM that were made for laptops display. Because my pascal card works on my laptop.

[ssj92]

So you're telling me Pascal with the older engineering vBIOS works on LVDS? Because for me it only works using optimus not direct gpu mode. 

 

And yes..gpu needs to have the physical lanes attached to display out. The block diagram with display outs only shows the vbios config and not the hardware itself. 

 

This is why cards like HP RTX work in eDP but ADLink etc do not from what I've seen. 

[SuperMG3]

11 minutes ago, ssj92 said:

So you're telling me Pascal with the older engineering vBIOS works on LVDS? Because for me it only works using optimus not direct gpu mode. 

 

And yes..gpu needs to have the physical lanes attached to display out. The block diagram with display outs only shows the vbios config and not the hardware itself. 

 

This is why cards like HP RTX work in eDP but ADLink etc do not from what I've seen. 

On the internet, that's what I've heard. Some get Pascal support with very early beta vbios on LVDS.

 

Yes my RTX 4070 doesn't have eDP then. Despite the seller telling it has by email. He even said that the 4060 doesn't have eDP but it says "eDP on port D" on the specifications and no eDP mentions for the 4070's specifications...

[ssj92]

2 minutes ago, SuperMG3 said:

On the internet, that's what I've heard. Some get Pascal support with very early beta vbios on LVDS.

 

Yes my RTX 4070 doesn't have eDP then. Despite the seller telling it has by email. He even said that the 4060 doesn't have eDP but it says "eDP on port D" on the specifications and no eDP mentions for the 4070's specifications...

Do you have a link? From my understanding all pascal cards do not support lvds (hardware level) at all unless you use optimus. In that case, it doesn't count as lvds since igpu outputs the display.

[JadeRover]

17 hours ago, SuperMG3 said:

Probably your card doesn't even have eDP. Even if the VBIOS says it has. Yours don't have the physical lines for it.

 

That's what I'm suspecting on my card. You should just buy a regular pascal card from Dell/HP/OEM that were made for laptops display. Because my pascal card works on my laptop.

Actually I think I do have eDP lanes ! 

 

Here on good old NBR, Stricker1234 got a zotac 1070 into his eDP alienware with no mux switch (so his 1070 was driving eDP)

Alienware 17 R5 GTX 1070 MXM 3.1B | Page 1 | NotebookReview | NBRCHIVE

 

Here is a pic of the Zotac 1070

 

The pcb is identical to my zotac 1060 MXM (pic below), especially near the resistor + capacitors next to the display outputs. The only change is the different GPU die.

 

I just neeed to figure out vBIOS eDP enabling. Heck my Zbook BIOS might be the problem if it's incompatible, I need to dig deeper.

[SuperMG3]

14 minutes ago, JadeRover said:

Actually I think I do have eDP lanes ! 

 

Here on good old NBR, Stricker1234 got a zotac 1070 into his eDP alienware with no mux switch (so his 1070 was driving eDP)

Alienware 17 R5 GTX 1070 MXM 3.1B | Page 1 | NotebookReview | NBRCHIVE

 

Here is a pic of the Zotac 1070

 

The pcb is identical to my zotac 1060 MXM (pic below), especially near the resistor + capacitors next to the display outputs. The only change is the different GPU die.

 

I just neeed to figure out vBIOS eDP enabling. Heck my Zbook BIOS might be the problem if it's incompatible, I need to dig deeper.

Maybe the guy has eDP on port D? You should try Dell vbios maybe one has C?

[SuperMG3]

39 minutes ago, JadeRover said:

Actually I think I do have eDP lanes ! 

 

Here on good old NBR, Stricker1234 got a zotac 1070 into his eDP alienware with no mux switch (so his 1070 was driving eDP)

Alienware 17 R5 GTX 1070 MXM 3.1B | Page 1 | NotebookReview | NBRCHIVE

 

Here is a pic of the Zotac 1070

 

The pcb is identical to my zotac 1060 MXM (pic below), especially near the resistor + capacitors next to the display outputs. The only change is the different GPU die.

 

I just neeed to figure out vBIOS eDP enabling. Heck my Zbook BIOS might be the problem if it's incompatible, I need to dig deeper.

Never mind, you have a ZBOOK g3. They usually all have DP_D. You need to try different HP VBIOSes, all of them. If 1060 doesn't work, try Quadro variants of the 1060.

[JadeRover]

Okay that is interesting, yes I think I will try this, P3000 is the quivalent. Also I should mention I have a device ID 1C20 1060MXM, I tried flashing a 1C60 1060MXM but nvflashK didn't allow. I'll try with my flasher.

Thanks !

[SuperMG3]

9 minutes ago, JadeRover said:

Okay that is interesting, yes I think I will try this, P3000 is the quivalent. Also I should mention I have a device ID 1C20 1060MXM, I tried flashing a 1C60 1060MXM but nvflashK didn't allow. I'll try with my flasher.

Thanks !

Just try with CH341A, no way nvflash would allow flashing it like that.