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Some reviews are out about the new Legion 5 Pro Gen 7

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Legion-5i-Pro-16-G7-Review-Gaming-Laptop-now-with-Alder-Lake-and-RTX-3070-Ti.610467.0.html

 

 

 

It uses advanced optimus as well. I dont know when the AMD version will be released

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Last year's 5i Pro and 7i used Advanced Optimus as well. Not sure why it was limited only to Intel-based models or if that will continue to be the case on the 2022 lineup. Seems odd that AMD would be excluded.

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4 hours ago, saturnotaku said:

Last year's 5i Pro and 7i used Advanced Optimus as well. Not sure why it was limited only to Intel-based models or if that will continue to be the case on the 2022 lineup. Seems odd that AMD would be excluded.

 

I hope its not the case this year because it makes no sense because Dell uses it for all of their gaming laptops including Alienware with the AMD models. I havent heard anything about the AMD models as of yet.

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If you live near a Microcenter, they somehow have the AMD Legion 5 Pro w/ RTX 3070 Ti in stock. I've yet to see it even on Lenovo's site. Wonder if they have some sort of retailer exclusivity? It is $1979.00.

 

As good as it gets if you want AMD CPU + nVidia GPU combo in a Legion laptop for 2022. 

 

https://www.microcenter.com/product/649579/lenovo-legion-5-pro-16arh7h-160-gaming-laptop-computer-grey?storeid=151

 

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On 6/27/2022 at 12:45 PM, jlp0209 said:

If you live near a Microcenter, they somehow have the AMD Legion 5 Pro w/ RTX 3070 Ti in stock. I've yet to see it even on Lenovo's site. Wonder if they have some sort of retailer exclusivity? It is $1979.00.

 

As good as it gets if you want AMD CPU + nVidia GPU combo in a Legion laptop for 2022. 

 

https://www.microcenter.com/product/649579/lenovo-legion-5-pro-16arh7h-160-gaming-laptop-computer-grey?storeid=151

 

 

I had actually bought one of those but returned it in favor of the new Slim 7i that Best Buy has on its site. The price to performance is awesome on this particular 5 Pro especially since it has 32 GB of RAM, and MC lowered the price to $1899. The problem is the portability aspect. My (now sold) Razer Blade really spoiled me in that department. My company has somewhat relaxed its device policy so I can now bring a personal laptop into the office, which is what I'll be doing much more often. Lugging around a 5 Pro, even a couple days per week would get really old, really fast.

 

Side note, I never even opened the 5 Pro, but when I took it back to the store, they did. The guy was trying to power it on, but I told him that wouldn't work because there's a lock in place that requires the laptop to be plugged in for the first boot. I get that they have to check and make sure I didn't take it out and reseal the package, but they're now going to waste theirs and Lenovo's time sending it back to the factory.

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Lenovo IdeaPad 3 Gaming: Ryzen 7 6800H | 16 GB RAM | GeForce RTX 3050 | 512 GB SSD | Windows 11

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Lenovo IdeaPad 3 Gaming: Ryzen 7 6800H | 16 GB RAM | GeForce RTX 3050 | 512 GB SSD | Windows 11

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On 7/7/2022 at 9:59 AM, saturnotaku said:

 

That's a steal there for a 2022 Legion 5 Pro!.

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On 7/6/2022 at 12:33 PM, saturnotaku said:

 

I had actually bought one of those but returned it in favor of the new Slim 7i that Best Buy has on its site. The price to performance is awesome on this particular 5 Pro especially since it has 32 GB of RAM, and MC lowered the price to $1899. The problem is the portability aspect. My (now sold) Razer Blade really spoiled me in that department. My company has somewhat relaxed its device policy so I can now bring a personal laptop into the office, which is what I'll be doing much more often. Lugging around a 5 Pro, even a couple days per week would get really old, really fast.

 

Side note, I never even opened the 5 Pro, but when I took it back to the store, they did. The guy was trying to power it on, but I told him that wouldn't work because there's a lock in place that requires the laptop to be plugged in for the first boot. I get that they have to check and make sure I didn't take it out and reseal the package, but they're now going to waste theirs and Lenovo's time sending it back to the factory.

 

Did you get the one with the i7 + 3060 for $1500? If you paid $1700 for it it's currently on sale at BB and you should get a price reduction. Why did you sell the Razer?

 

I tried and returned a refurb Alienware X15 r2 with i7 + 3080 Ti that I got for a great price. Despite that I returned it. They still don't let you set a custom fan profile while running at max power. Only way to get max TGP is to run full throttle fans, which is ridiculous. You also can't back up your vbios if you want to flash a higher TGP, which I would've liked to have tried eventually. Not worth it. Still happy with my Legion, will look at the upcoming 7th gen for their HX processors which I'm excited about...yet don't want to pay $3800 for. 

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I just bought this: Lenovo Legion 5 Pro Gen 7 AMD Laptop, 16.0" IPS 165Hz, Ryzen 7 6800H during the eBay sale. I should get it in the next day or 2 and was hoping you guys can tell me what to expect.

 

Firstly, Is Win.11 even worth trying it out, or should I just slash and burn the ssd and install a proper OS right off the bat? I'm thinking the route I'm going to go is Linux (Mint or Solus) as my primary OS and have a grey market LTSB/C Windows install as either VM or dualboot. Has anybody been able to get a functional Win 7 install up and running on these Lenovos?

 

Secondly, I would've preferred to have saved myself some money and got the bare minimum of SSD space and RAM. Then I would buy what I want elsewhere. I don't know what type of SSD Lenovo specs these days, so I might be OK on that front, but is 16GB RAM going to be enough? I watched some reviews and they talked about the advantages/disadvantages of x8 and x16 RAM types. That went waaay over my head, so can anybody dumb it down for me? Supposedly, it's not as much of an issue with ddr5 ram, so I don't know. But let's say I do decide to upgrade to 32GB, what should I be looking for?

 

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On 7/12/2022 at 12:54 PM, jlp0209 said:

 

Did you get the one with the i7 + 3060 for $1500? If you paid $1700 for it it's currently on sale at BB and you should get a price reduction. Why did you sell the Razer?

 

I tried and returned a refurb Alienware X15 r2 with i7 + 3080 Ti that I got for a great price. Despite that I returned it. They still don't let you set a custom fan profile while running at max power. Only way to get max TGP is to run full throttle fans, which is ridiculous. You also can't back up your vbios if you want to flash a higher TGP, which I would've liked to have tried eventually. Not worth it. Still happy with my Legion, will look at the upcoming 7th gen for their HX processors which I'm excited about...yet don't want to pay $3800 for. 

 

I did get the i7/3060 combo but returned it in fairly short order. It had the same Legion problem of high-pitched fan whistle, and the battery life was atrocious. For a thin-and-light with a lower 3060, it would have made more sense for them to use a P-series CPU. 

 

I sold the Blade 15 because I could still get a decent amount of money for it. I wanted to give 14-inch laptops another shot. Ideally, I'd be using a MacBook Pro, but the lack of games is a real problem. I'm hoping Apple's updates to Metal 3 will allow for much broader compatibility through Parallels and Crossover. Early signs are positive, but we'll see once the proverbial rubber meets the road. I would have given the Asus G14 Advantage Edition a try, but I the dark gray model isn't available in the US (at least not yet anyway). That left the Blade 14, which I played around with pretty extensively at MicroCenter. I love the form factor, the keyboard is nicer than on my 15, and it's amazingly powerful. The 16 GB of soldered RAM is a downer, but I've not encountered any issues with it so far. The 15-inch is supposed to get a high-refresh OLED screen later this year. Hopefully the next-generation 14 will get similar treatment along with a 32 GB option.

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Lenovo IdeaPad 3 Gaming: Ryzen 7 6800H | 16 GB RAM | GeForce RTX 3050 | 512 GB SSD | Windows 11

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Walmart is now selling a 2022 L5iP 12700h with 3070 that seems to have 150w TDP, so close to 3070ti performance for $1600 (16gb/1tb nvme).  Has all the intel goodies, thunderbolt, advanced optimus, gsync with the nice display.  I think this is the current price performance champ and 3070ti at 150w versus 3070 at 150w is too close in performance to justify the high prices- most 3070ti are >1900$.  Especially since Alder Lake is the performance champ this round with a larger delta than last year over AMD in FPS.

 

Wanted to ask for DDR5 configs with Alder Lake if upgrading to HyperX Fury (CL38) from stock Micron makes a performance difference, and if so how much.  On last year's Intel it was still a solid 5% bump in CPU.  This would be doubly relevant to AMD 6800h folks.

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I am weak and couldn't resist the latest Walmart special: 5i Pro with 12700H + 3070 Ti , 16gb/512tb ssd, for $1599. Price is just too good and $900 less than my Blade 14. Fingers crossed G-Sync is fixed vs Gen 6 Legions. 

 

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Lenovo-Legion-5-Pro-16-Laptop-Intel-Core-i7-12700H-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-3070Ti-16GB-RAM-512GB-SSD-Windows-11-Home-Storm-Gray-82RF000TUS/942208519

 

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15 hours ago, jlp0209 said:

I am weak and couldn't resist the latest Walmart special: 5i Pro with 12700H + 3070 Ti , 16gb/512tb ssd, for $1599. Price is just too good and $900 less than my Blade 14. Fingers crossed G-Sync is fixed vs Gen 6 Legions. 

 

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Lenovo-Legion-5-Pro-16-Laptop-Intel-Core-i7-12700H-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-3070Ti-16GB-RAM-512GB-SSD-Windows-11-Home-Storm-Gray-82RF000TUS/942208519

 

 

I asked Jarrod to test G-Sync on his 2022 Legion 7, and he said it seemed to work fine so I'm hopeful. I decided to throw caution to the wind and grab this, too. Much as I love the Blade's portability, the shallow-travel keyboard just isn't doing it for me considering I spend at least 25 hours a week typing directly on it.

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55 minutes ago, saturnotaku said:

 

I asked Jarrod to test G-Sync on his 2022 Legion 7, and he said it seemed to work fine so I'm hopeful. I decided to throw caution to the wind and grab this, too. Much as I love the Blade's portability, the shallow-travel keyboard just isn't doing it for me considering I spend at least 25 hours a week typing directly on it.

Thank you so much for reaching out to him. I am watching his new 7i review now. I'm planning on going to Microcenter to play with the Legion 5 Pro. Their model is $1899 with 32gb / 1tb vs 16/512 from Walmart. If I later add a 980 Pro and 32gb ddr5 kit to Walmart, it'd actually be more expensive than $1899, so I may pull the trigger while there. Walmart hasn't shipped yet anyway. 

 

I am making many typos on the Blade keyboard since I've been using Legions for the last 10+ months. Interested to hear your thoughts on the L5P once you receive it. 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, jlp0209 said:

Thank you so much for reaching out to him. I am watching his new 7i review now. I'm planning on going to Microcenter to play with the Legion 5 Pro. Their model is $1899 with 32gb / 1tb vs 16/512 from Walmart. If I later add a 980 Pro and 32gb ddr5 kit to Walmart, it'd actually be more expensive than $1899, so I may pull the trigger while there. Walmart hasn't shipped yet anyway. 

 

I am making many typos on the Blade keyboard since I've been using Legions for the last 10+ months. Interested to hear your thoughts on the L5P once you receive it. 

 

 

 

I was originally going to go with the MicroCenter model, but the Walmart deal made more sense. I won't upgrade to 32 GB of RAM until I can get a kit for around $100. Plus I have a spare 970 Evo for auxiliary storage. The laptop is supposed to arrive Thursday, but I won't be able to pick it up and play with it until later on Friday.

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Lenovo IdeaPad 3 Gaming: Ryzen 7 6800H | 16 GB RAM | GeForce RTX 3050 | 512 GB SSD | Windows 11

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2 hours ago, saturnotaku said:

 

I was originally going to go with the MicroCenter model, but the Walmart deal made more sense. I won't upgrade to 32 GB of RAM until I can get a kit for around $100. Plus I have a spare 970 Evo for auxiliary storage. The laptop is supposed to arrive Thursday, but I won't be able to pick it up and play with it until later on Friday.

Agree, Walmart deal is better. Just popped in to Microcenter and played with the 7i, 5 Pro, and 5. Surprisingly the keyboard is best on the regular 5 in terms of key travel and overall comfort. The 5 Pro slightly less so, with the 7i my least favorite. Bottomed out easily on the 7i, they still need to make the key depth deeper, imo. 
 

Also interestingly, the AMD L5 non-pro has Advanced Optimus and G-Sync. Totally did not expect it. The AMD L5 Pro did not have AO or G-Sync. Very odd.
 

Walmart also has the L5 AMD / 3070 Ti for $1650. The screens are far and away better on the 7i and 5 Pro. But the regular 5 has me interested again based on my play time with the 3. 

Alienware X15 R2: i7 12700H / 15.6" 1080p 360hz / RTX 3080 Ti (125-150w vbios) / 32gb DDR5 5200 RAM / 1+2tb SSD

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1 hour ago, jlp0209 said:

Agree, Walmart deal is better. Just popped in to Microcenter and played with the 7i, 5 Pro, and 5. Surprisingly the keyboard is best on the regular 5 in terms of key travel and overall comfort. The 5 Pro slightly less so, with the 7i my least favorite. Bottomed out easily on the 7i, they still need to make the key depth deeper, imo. 
 

Also interestingly, the AMD L5 non-pro has Advanced Optimus and G-Sync. Totally did not expect it. The AMD L5 Pro did not have AO or G-Sync. Very odd.
 

Walmart also has the L5 AMD / 3070 Ti for $1650. The screens are far and away better on the 7i and 5 Pro. But the regular 5 has me interested again based on my play time with the 3. 

 

I played around with both laptops when we were buying my kid the IdeaPad Gaming 3 in my sig. I didn't feel much difference between the 5 and 5 Pro. Maybe the former was slightly better, but it's not enough of a difference to offset the the fact that the latter has the much better screen. Using my work-issue MacBook Pro at the office, and the 16:10 aspect ratio really does improve my productivity.

 

Incidentally, I found this while trolling the Lenovo support website. Apparently they released a VBIOS update for the 2022 5i Pro. No details as to what it fixes, maybe the dim screen issue that folks were having with the MUX switch and certain newer NVIDIA drivers.

 

https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/legion-series/legion-5-pro-16iah7h/82rf/downloads/ds557414-vbios-legion-5-pro-16iah7-legion-5-pro-16iah7h-windows-11-64-bit?category=Graphics Processing Units (GPU) and Server-AI Accelerators

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Lenovo IdeaPad 3 Gaming: Ryzen 7 6800H | 16 GB RAM | GeForce RTX 3050 | 512 GB SSD | Windows 11

Lenovo IdeaPad 5 Pro: Ryzen 5 5600U | 16 GB RAM | Radeon Graphics | 512 GB SSD | Windows 11
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Received the 5i Pro today. Updated to latest system bios, latest GPU drivers, and made sure the updated Lenovo vbios were installed. Unfortunately, broken G-sync issues persist for me. Disabled core isolation, played with all Vantage GPU settings re: hybrid mode / dGPU only / Advanced Optimus deciding GPU automatically. Tested F1 2022 and Forza Horizon 5. Both unplayable stuttering messes. My Blade 14 running on the Radeon 680M iGPU runs these games smoother (albeit a lower settings) than this laptop and my old L7 Gen 6 did, which is sad. 

 

It is very much a Lenovo issue. Didn't happen on an Alienware X15 r2 (functional G-sync), MSI GP66, and my Blade. 

 

Otherwise the screen is flawless, keyboard fantastic, trackpad has no issues. Really a shame, this laptop will be returned. Very curious whether the 240hz 1440p panels exhibit this issue; not available at all yet it seems and Lenovo still has no CTO options.

 

May give the regular Legion 5 with FHD screen a try since it's a totally different screen and will probably work just fine. 

Alienware X15 R2: i7 12700H / 15.6" 1080p 360hz / RTX 3080 Ti (125-150w vbios) / 32gb DDR5 5200 RAM / 1+2tb SSD

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Just an update / question. I can't use "dGPU only" mode in Vantage unless I revert back to older Lenovo GPU drivers; I get a black screen upon boot up. So, I'm using "hybrid-auto mode" in Vantage, and also set NV control panel to dGPU only. If I use G-sync I get the usual terrible stutter.

 

Using the laptop in this way, the Intel command center is still functional and enables adaptive sync from there. Games are smooth as butter. If I am using dGPU only mode how come the Intel command center is still accessible? Is traffic still going through the iGPU as in normal hybrid / optimus mode? Or am I connected directly to the dGPU yet also reaping benefit of Intel adaptive sync somehow? Thanks for any insight, I don't understand how I can be in dGPU mode yet use Intel adaptive sync?

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11 hours ago, jlp0209 said:

Just an update / question. I can't use "dGPU only" mode in Vantage unless I revert back to older Lenovo GPU drivers; I get a black screen upon boot up. So, I'm using "hybrid-auto mode" in Vantage, and also set NV control panel to dGPU only. If I use G-sync I get the usual terrible stutter.

 

Using the laptop in this way, the Intel command center is still functional and enables adaptive sync from there. Games are smooth as butter. If I am using dGPU only mode how come the Intel command center is still accessible? Is traffic still going through the iGPU as in normal hybrid / optimus mode? Or am I connected directly to the dGPU yet also reaping benefit of Intel adaptive sync somehow? Thanks for any insight, I don't understand how I can be in dGPU mode yet use Intel adaptive sync?

 

Jarrod review of the legion 7i also showed similar bugs: using Lenovo gpu drivers led to everything behaving perfectly while updating Nvidia drivers manually led to USB-C ports not working as video output. 

 

I guess this means that they either tweaked gpu drivers (maybe even just to iron out nVidia bugs) or that the latest nVidia drivers have some weird behavior in specific scenarios. Advanced Optimus is still fairly recent so both scenarios are actually possible in my opinion. 

 

Also, with advanced Optimus you should not need to go for the "use dGPU" only. As far as I understood it's identical to the old Optimus (known as MS-Hybrid) with the exception that the current implementation (advanced Optimus) added a mux switch to bypass di iGPU. Old Optimus was in fact forcing the traffic to the iGPU even when using the dGPU. 

 

This being said, I think that having the Intel control panel working or not shouldn't necessarily be related on the advanced Optimus working properly or not. I would say that a good implementation should allow both control panels to work even the settings of each panel only apply to their associated gpu. 

 

Overall, i would advise you to make some testing with Lenovo gpu drivers. In this way should have a clear answer of how the system should behave when everything works properly. Considering that the latest nVidia drivers cause weird bugs here and there I wouldn't be surprised if what you are describing is just unexpeteced behavior. 

 

EDIT: what's your opinion on your signature razer blade VS this legion? 

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6 hours ago, -batab- said:

 

Jarrod review of the legion 7i also showed similar bugs: using Lenovo gpu drivers led to everything behaving perfectly while updating Nvidia drivers manually led to USB-C ports not working as video output. 

 

I guess this means that they either tweaked gpu drivers (maybe even just to iron out nVidia bugs) or that the latest nVidia drivers have some weird behavior in specific scenarios. Advanced Optimus is still fairly recent so both scenarios are actually possible in my opinion. 

 

Also, with advanced Optimus you should not need to go for the "use dGPU" only. As far as I understood it's identical to the old Optimus (known as MS-Hybrid) with the exception that the current implementation (advanced Optimus) added a mux switch to bypass di iGPU. Old Optimus was in fact forcing the traffic to the iGPU even when using the dGPU. 

 

This being said, I think that having the Intel control panel working or not shouldn't necessarily be related on the advanced Optimus working properly or not. I would say that a good implementation should allow both control panels to work even the settings of each panel only apply to their associated gpu. 

 

Overall, i would advise you to make some testing with Lenovo gpu drivers. In this way should have a clear answer of how the system should behave when everything works properly. Considering that the latest nVidia drivers cause weird bugs here and there I wouldn't be surprised if what you are describing is just unexpeteced behavior. 

 

EDIT: what's your opinion on your signature razer blade VS this legion? 


Thanks for the reply. I’m using the stock Lenovo GPU drivers and everything works / no black screen, but still get g-sync stutter. It also doesn’t install the NV usb-c driver that is included with later NV drivers, so not sure what to make of that yet. 
 

My exact setup is to use “hybrid-auto mode” in Vantage which should be used to utilize Advanced Optimus. In the NV control panel I select “dGPU only.” 
 

This enables all options in the NV control panel including g-sync. Also enabled is adaptive sync in the Intel graphics command center.

 

When using “dGPU only” mode in Vantage, the Intel command center crashes / isn’t available and rightly so due to iGPU being bypassed completely.

 

I’ll need to do more testing, I am very curious whether Intel adaptive sync is really being used while in my setup above. I haven’t found anything anywhere on it. It doesn’t make sense that it would be used since traffic is going through the dGPU only. 
 

My Timespy scores are identical when using dGPU only mode in Vantage vs. Advanced Optimus method, so that’s good.

 

To add insult to injury, NV driver 511.65 won’t install because it says PC not compatible. So this means I can’t use any driver from NV earlier than 512.xx which work properly. 
 

I do love the larger screen vs the Blade, keyboard is better, GPU is able to run at constant 150w during gaming which is great. Noise-wise, as far as fans go they are both pretty similar to me and not intrusive. The Blade is an impressive piece of kit; thermals on the GPU are cooler even when using flashed vbios. The Legion is very heavy in comparison obviously. 
 

As of now I’m leaning toward returning the L5P as great as it is. May try the regular L5 that I’m pretty sure won’t have this problem. 
 

Sorry for writing an essay. I’ll post anything else I can dig up re: Advanced Optimus utilizing Intel adaptive sync when g-sync is turned off. 

 

Alienware X15 R2: i7 12700H / 15.6" 1080p 360hz / RTX 3080 Ti (125-150w vbios) / 32gb DDR5 5200 RAM / 1+2tb SSD

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6 hours ago, jlp0209 said:


Thanks for the reply. I’m using the stock Lenovo GPU drivers and everything works / no black screen, but still get g-sync stutter. It also doesn’t install the NV usb-c driver that is included with later NV drivers, so not sure what to make of that yet. 
 

My exact setup is to use “hybrid-auto mode” in Vantage which should be used to utilize Advanced Optimus. In the NV control panel I select “dGPU only.” 
 

This enables all options in the NV control panel including g-sync. Also enabled is adaptive sync in the Intel graphics command center.

 

When using “dGPU only” mode in Vantage, the Intel command center crashes / isn’t available and rightly so due to iGPU being bypassed completely.

 

I’ll need to do more testing, I am very curious whether Intel adaptive sync is really being used while in my setup above. I haven’t found anything anywhere on it. It doesn’t make sense that it would be used since traffic is going through the dGPU only. 
 

My Timespy scores are identical when using dGPU only mode in Vantage vs. Advanced Optimus method, so that’s good.

 

To add insult to injury, NV driver 511.65 won’t install because it says PC not compatible. So this means I can’t use any driver from NV earlier than 512.xx which work properly. 
 

I do love the larger screen vs the Blade, keyboard is better, GPU is able to run at constant 150w during gaming which is great. Noise-wise, as far as fans go they are both pretty similar to me and not intrusive. The Blade is an impressive piece of kit; thermals on the GPU are cooler even when using flashed vbios. The Legion is very heavy in comparison obviously. 
 

As of now I’m leaning toward returning the L5P as great as it is. May try the regular L5 that I’m pretty sure won’t have this problem. 
 

Sorry for writing an essay. I’ll post anything else I can dig up re: Advanced Optimus utilizing Intel adaptive sync when g-sync is turned off. 

 

 

weird ...G-Sync should lead to uqual or better gaming experience than adaptive sync. Then again, it might just be some stupid software implement where if you don't turn on adaptive sync G-Sync does not really turn on.

 

If you turn off adaptive sync and turn on g-sync, do you get the same performance you get with both off?

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On 9/16/2022 at 10:22 PM, jlp0209 said:

Received the 5i Pro today. Updated to latest system bios, latest GPU drivers, and made sure the updated Lenovo vbios were installed. Unfortunately, broken G-sync issues persist for me. Disabled core isolation, played with all Vantage GPU settings re: hybrid mode / dGPU only / Advanced Optimus deciding GPU automatically. Tested F1 2022 and Forza Horizon 5. Both unplayable stuttering messes. My Blade 14 running on the Radeon 680M iGPU runs these games smoother (albeit a lower settings) than this laptop and my old L7 Gen 6 did, which is sad. 

 

It is very much a Lenovo issue. Didn't happen on an Alienware X15 r2 (functional G-sync), MSI GP66, and my Blade. 

 

Otherwise the screen is flawless, keyboard fantastic, trackpad has no issues. Really a shame, this laptop will be returned. Very curious whether the 240hz 1440p panels exhibit this issue; not available at all yet it seems and Lenovo still has no CTO options.

 

May give the regular Legion 5 with FHD screen a try since it's a totally different screen and will probably work just fine. 

 

Not sure what's going on with yours, but I'm not seeing the issues you're describing. I was running on the 512.64 driver from Windows Update at first. Enabling dGPU only mode through Vantage worked perfectly with all control panel options exposed after rebooting. I haven't tested any games yet, but I observed no stuttering or tearing with NVIDIA's G-Sync pendulum demo. I was able to update to the latest 516.94 driver through GeForce Experience without incident. The G-Sync demo works just as before.

 

I have Forza Horizon 5 but don't want to download 100 GB just to test VRR. Are there any smaller games that would be good to check?

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43 minutes ago, saturnotaku said:

 

Not sure what's going on with yours, but I'm not seeing the issues you're describing. I was running on the 512.64 driver from Windows Update at first. Enabling dGPU only mode through Vantage worked perfectly with all control panel options exposed after rebooting. I haven't tested any games yet, but I observed no stuttering or tearing with NVIDIA's G-Sync pendulum demo. I was able to update to the latest 516.94 driver through GeForce Experience without incident. The G-Sync demo works just as before.

 

I have Forza Horizon 5 but don't want to download 100 GB just to test VRR. Are there any smaller games that would be good to check?

Maybe one of the panel manufacturers Lenovo uses has a Gsync bug? Iirc they use BOE, CSOT/TCL and AUO for that panel.

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19 hours ago, -batab- said:

 

weird ...G-Sync should lead to uqual or better gaming experience than adaptive sync. Then again, it might just be some stupid software implement where if you don't turn on adaptive sync G-Sync does not really turn on.

 

If you turn off adaptive sync and turn on g-sync, do you get the same performance you get with both off?

 

Yes, performance is the same with adaptive sync off and g-sync on, in  terms of frame rate or benchmarks. 

12 hours ago, saturnotaku said:

 

Not sure what's going on with yours, but I'm not seeing the issues you're describing. I was running on the 512.64 driver from Windows Update at first. Enabling dGPU only mode through Vantage worked perfectly with all control panel options exposed after rebooting. I haven't tested any games yet, but I observed no stuttering or tearing with NVIDIA's G-Sync pendulum demo. I was able to update to the latest 516.94 driver through GeForce Experience without incident. The G-Sync demo works just as before.

 

I have Forza Horizon 5 but don't want to download 100 GB just to test VRR. Are there any smaller games that would be good to check?

 

I tried again this morning and amazingly everything worked briefly- G-sync on, no stutter. And then s**t hit the fan. Mouse / trackpad became very jumpy and errant. Restarted a bunch of times and G-sync stutter occurred again. Uninstalled Vantage completely, same behavior, jumpy mouse included. Tried to reinstall GPU drivers and the system did not even recognize the dGPU and nVidia driver wouldn't install. Rebooted, system bios initially didn't give me any graphics mode options as if there was no dGPU. Rebooted again and I could then see dynamic vs discreet. Graphics driver (stock Lenovo) then installed, but touchpad and mouse, etc., are all over the place and the system just isn't usable now. Uninstalled mouse and all related drivers, reinstalled with Windows update. Same mouse issues. 

 

At this point, I think I just have a) a defective laptop / GPU and b) horrible luck with Legion laptops. Am not re-ordering the Pro, sadly. For what it's worth, my display type is BOE0A1F. What panel do you have? 

 

**Edit- just did a full wipe / factory restore and the mouse / touchpad is still jumpy and very erratic / semi non-responsive. Did not set it up yet, this is just on the initial Windows 11 welcome setup screen. 

12 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

Maybe one of the panel manufacturers Lenovo uses has a Gsync bug? Iirc they use BOE, CSOT/TCL and AUO for that panel.

Could be, curious to see what others have. 

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