deal Lenovo Legion 7 Ryzen 9 5900HX, RTX 3080, 16 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD - $1799.99 @ Walmart

[saturnotaku]

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You're not going to find a brand new laptop with a full-power RTX 3080 this cheaply. Grab one while they're still available as I expect these will sell out very quickly.

[Talon]

18 hours ago, saturnotaku said:

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You're not going to find a brand new laptop with a full-power RTX 3080 this cheaply. Grab one while they're still available as I expect these will sell out very quickly.

 That is a really good deal for a well spec'd laptop. Is this the 16gb 3080? 

[KING19]

That is a very good deal for a full powered RTX 3080 Legion 7 and a Ryzen 9 5900HX!

 

They must be trying to get rid of them before the 2022 models get released

[saturnotaku]

17 hours ago, Talon said:

 That is a really good deal for a well spec'd laptop. Is this the 16gb 3080? 

 

As far as I know, Lenovo never released a Legion 7 with an 8 GB 3080.

[jlp0209]

Hell of a deal and still available. Using a slim 240w GaN charger at the office so I don't need to lug the power brick. Anyone in the market at the moment for a 15" - 17" work + play laptop should strongly consider this. Only full powered 3080 Ti laptops will (slightly) beat this one in terms of gaming performance, at over twice the cost with less battery life. 

[Reciever]

Quite an alluring deal!

[jaybee83]

agreed on the good value proposition here. although full BGA and the seemingly super slim chassis would put me off 😅

[saturnotaku]

37 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

agreed on the good value proposition here. although full BGA and the seemingly super slim chassis would put me off 😅

 

Neither of these is a valid reason to pass on this deal if you're in the market. The Legion's cooling is very good, and an MXM RTX 3080 + Ryzen 5800X desktop CPU by themselves would easily equal 75-90% of what the entire laptop itself would cost.

[jaybee83]

3 hours ago, saturnotaku said:

 

Neither of these is a valid reason to pass on this deal if you're in the market. The Legion's cooling is very good, and an MXM RTX 3080 + Ryzen 5800X desktop CPU by themselves would easily equal 75-90% of what the entire laptop itself would cost.

im not saying the cooling is definitely bad, no idea actually. but just the combination of a 3080 with such a slim chassis makes me skeptical. in general, most such gaming laptops nowadays just "accept" that the cpu runs into 100C throttling and the gpu is severely power limited while still running at 80C+. sure, it "works", but its not an experience id like to spend so much money on (even if 1800 USD in this context can be considered a good deal, its still 1800 USD = a LOT of money).

also, u cannot compare the price of a whole system to individual mxm gpu pricing. its nothing new that by themselves, mobile gpus are insanely expensive. ud have to compare it with another complete system to make it valid. otherwise, compare the price of a mobo with soldered cpu & gpu to mobo/mxm gpu/desktop cpu individually, THEN u have a valid comparison again 🙂 

[Reciever]

The legion lineup has been very well received on the cooling front. Of course its good practice to verify as well though 

[saturnotaku]

On 5/21/2022 at 10:34 AM, jaybee83 said:

im not saying the cooling is definitely bad, no idea actually. but just the combination of a 3080 with such a slim chassis makes me skeptical. in general, most such gaming laptops nowadays just "accept" that the cpu runs into 100C throttling and the gpu is severely power limited while still running at 80C+. sure, it "works", but its not an experience id like to spend so much money on (even if 1800 USD in this context can be considered a good deal, its still 1800 USD = a LOT of money).

 

Read and watch reviews of the Legion 7. The 5900HX can read 90C in its highest performance mode, but clock speeds are consistently above 4 GHz - up to 4.4 in many cases. The GPU comfortably runs at its boost frequencies and 150+ watts. 

 

On 5/21/2022 at 10:34 AM, jaybee83 said:

also, u cannot compare the price of a whole system to individual mxm gpu pricing. its nothing new that by themselves, mobile gpus are insanely expensive. ud have to compare it with another complete system to make it valid. otherwise, compare the price of a mobo with soldered cpu & gpu to mobo/mxm gpu/desktop cpu individually, THEN u have a valid comparison again 🙂 

 

OK, let's do that. Clevo X170KM-G from Xotic PC. Since the Legion 7 uses AMD's top-of-the-line processor and NVIDIA's highest-end GPU, we shall compare like for like - i9 11900K and RTX 3080 with 16 GB of RAM, 1 TB PCI-E Gen 3 SSD, and Windows 11 Home. The Clevo will need to use its standard 1080p/144 Hz display as that's the only high-refresh option available compared to the Legion's 2560x1600 165 Hz FreeSync + G-Sync panel.

 

The price for the Clevo - $3726, literally almost double what the Lenovo costs.

[jaybee83]

18 minutes ago, saturnotaku said:

 

Read and watch reviews of the Legion 7. The 5900HX can read 90C in its highest performance mode, but clock speeds are consistently above 4 GHz - up to 4.4 in many cases. The GPU comfortably runs at its boost frequencies and 150+ watts. 

 

 

OK, let's do that. Clevo X170KM-G from Xotic PC. Since the Legion 7 uses AMD's top-of-the-line processor and NVIDIA's highest-end GPU, we shall compare like for like - i9 11900K and RTX 3080 with 16 GB of RAM, 1 TB PCI-E Gen 3 SSD, and Windows 11 Home. The Clevo will need to use its standard 1080p/144 Hz display as that's the only high-refresh option available compared to the Legion's 2560x1600 165 Hz FreeSync + G-Sync panel.

 

The price for the Clevo - $3726, literally almost double what the Lenovo costs.

 

took you up on your suggestion and had a look around with regards to reviews (as mentioned before, i didnt have any info on the legion 7 series cooling). seems to be doing quite nicely: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-Legion-7-16ACH-in-review-Gaming-powerhouse-with-good-16-10-display.545205.0.html

so on that front, looking good so far.

 

as for pricing, the walmart offer is indeed a good one, considering that the initial price offering (at least here in europe) when the machine hit the market was more like 3500 USD+, so basically same pricing as the X170KM-G. Now, the issue here being that Clevo is exclusively a butique shop brand, shops like walmart or best buy would just never offer clevo machines 😄 so unlikely that you would see such discounted prices.

 

one more good thing to see about the legion 7: apparently, lenovo offers a 3 year warranty as standard and with roughly 60 USD on top u can buy an extra year for a total of four years. so that would at least somewhat offset the headache of all components being soldered down and with one defect turning the whole machine into a paperweight.

 

with all that being said, for me personally it would still be a very very hard choice to invest 1800 USD (with added tax on top!) for a one-shot configuration, which could never be upgraded in any significant manner... or even repaired at home, for that matter, without having to swap out the whole motherboard (especially once outside warranty). so i guess thats the choice everyone has to make for themselves: pay more for a longer lifetime / sustainable solution or save a few bucks in the here and now without thinking about tomorrow 😅

[saturnotaku]

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

with all that being said, for me personally it would still be a very very hard choice to invest 1800 USD (with added tax on top!) for a one-shot configuration, which could never be upgraded in any significant manner... or even repaired at home, for that matter, without having to swap out the whole motherboard (especially once outside warranty). so i guess thats the choice everyone has to make for themselves: pay more for a longer lifetime / sustainable solution or save a few bucks in the here and now without thinking about tomorrow 😅

 

Do you honestly believe motherboard failures on BGA laptops are that common?

[jaybee83]

51 minutes ago, saturnotaku said:

 

Do you honestly believe motherboard failures on BGA laptops are that common?

doesnt matter what any of us believes.

 

simple facts:

- the more complex a component gets, the more potential points of failure it has. whats more complex? a motherboard with integrated gpu, cpu, ram, storage, wifi, etc? or just one of those components by itself? based on just my own personal experience ive had psus, cpus, storage, motherboards, gpus, fans, displays and periphery fail on me at one time or another. this stuff happens, its not imaginary 😄 

- with each passing year the risk of a failure in any of the above mentioned potential points of failures rises significantly. all its takes is one fault and bam, paperweight with only a slim chance of repair due to highly proprietary, highly integrated parts offered by a single vendor. next step? throw out the whole machine and buy a new one... thats not a direction id like to endorse with my wallet, even if it means that i get to safe a few bucks today when it bites me in the ass tomorrow....

[Reciever]

To be fair the gpu is highest failing component and that has been fairly consistent over time. It's also worth mentioning that can be mitigated with proper maintenance in most machines. 

 

I've been liking Lenovo's offerings for a bit. Don't need anything myself but compared to the y410p era where their expansion slot became vaporware, they seem to have been making better choices of late. 

[Clamibot]

I'm glad to see how far Lenovo has come with their gaming laptops. My first gaming laptop was a Lenovo Y510P, and that thing is a piece of crap. I've kept up with Lenovo's developments in this department, and their newer gaming laptops appear to be far better in terms of build quality and functionality.

 

@jaybee83 Yeah I'm not a fan of BGA either, but it does have its place. Thing is, this deal is very enticing because of how much processing power you get for the price. If all someone is going to use their laptop for is gaming, this laptop fits the bill nicely, even for high framerate gaming. This thing is $900 cheaper than the amount I've spent in total on my fully decked out Clevo X170SM-G.

 

Whether this laptop is good or not really depends on your needs. For someone who needs an upgrade very often (once every 2-3 years) or for a casual user, it's probably a financially smarter decision to just get a new system whenever a deal like this presents itself. GPU upgrades on upgradeable laptops are very expensive, so it doesn't make sense to spend lots of money on an upgrade when an entirely new system can be had for the same amount, or for an extra few hundred dollars. Likewise, another problem with the upgradeability point of the X170 is that it's moot if the buyer never takes advantage of it, so laptops like this Lenovo Legion 7 make more sense for people who'd be better off getting an entirely new system when they need an upgrade since they need an upgrade on every part anyway.

 

There's also the usage case like I mentioned before. This laptop is purely for gaming. It offers a little more GPU processing power than my X170, so it would match or beat my X170 in anything GPU bound, which is the category most games would fall into. However in anything CPU bound, my X170 would destroy this laptop as the CPU in my laptop is much more powerful than the one in this laptop. Then you also have some games (like the Watch Dogs series) that heavily stress both the CPU and GPU at the same time, which is another case my X170 destroys pretty much all other laptops in.

 

So to sum it up, whether this laptop is worth it or not depends on your upgrade habits, intended use case, and the types of games you play. For me personally, this laptop isn't good, but it's probably good for most people looking to buy a gaming laptop, and I know it'd be a REALLY good laptop for some of my friends. I'm a power user and a high framerate gamer, and I require 144 fps in every game, so the Clevo X170SM-G I have is a much better fit for me. For someone like me who typically keeps the same system for a decade like me and only requires one GPU upgrade in that timespan, it's more worth it to get an upgradeable system and upgrade it halfway through its life cycle. For someone who upgrades really often or who upgrades once every 7-10 years, deals like this one are a boon.

 

I'm an LGA enthusiast and will continue shilling for LGA machines, but I'm also going to take a pragmatic approach to things. Everything has it's place. I just wish there were more LGA options in the laptop space.

[saturnotaku]

9 hours ago, Clamibot said:

So to sum it up, whether this laptop is worth it or not depends on your upgrade habits, intended use case, and the types of games you play. For me personally, this laptop isn't good, but it's probably good for most people looking to buy a gaming laptop, and I know it'd be a REALLY good laptop for some of my friends. I'm a power user and a high framerate gamer, and I require 144 fps in every game, so the Clevo X170SM-G I have is a much better fit for me. For someone like me who typically keeps the same system for a decade like me and only requires one GPU upgrade in that timespan, it's more worth it to get an upgradeable system and upgrade it halfway through its life cycle. For someone who upgrades really often or who upgrades once every 7-10 years, deals like this one are a boon.

 

 

There's also the whole portability and battery life aspect as well. Configured properly (quiet mode, no iCue), and used lightly, it is possible to get nearly an entire workday out of the Legion, and you can also power it over USB-C in a pinch. Your Clevo would be lucky to get 1/3 that under similar conditions without the convenience of Type-C power delivery. The Lenovo is a comparatively much thinner and lighter laptop so it's significantly easier to travel with, though obviously still not in the same class as models like the Razer Blade or Asus Zephyrus G15/M16. 

 

True DTR laptops like the X170 are for a subset of a subset of a niche market. For 99.99% of everyone else looking for a good value gaming laptop, the Legion will more than suffice, which is a point I'm glad you recognize.

[Clamibot]

Yeah the problem is that when there's a disconnect between what you want and what others want, it's easy to dismiss the viewpoint of other people and consider them stupid.

 

The reality is, different products are for different people. Everyone wants to make the decision that makes the most financial sense for them, and they want something that meets their needs. 90% (maybe even more) of consumers are probably fine with BGA laptops because they just want something that works, and works well for them at that. The prosumer market is small.

 

While most of us here on this forum are probably a part of the prosumer demographic, our demographic is much smaller, hence why there are less options for us. Even though the kinds of systems we would buy are technically superior to offerings from the other 90% of the market, they don't sell as well because people are going to buy what they need. There's no sense in paying for features you won't use, especially if foregoing them saves you money.

 

Talking from purely a price/performance perspective, this laptop is a great deal. I do wish all laptops were upgradeable, but I have to be practical here. Thing is, if BGA machines become a better financial decision for me in the future, I would (very begrudgingly) make the switch. It doesn't make sense to pay for an upgradeable laptop if you can't upgrade the stupid thing since nobody makes parts for it (the alienware Area 51m is a prime example of this). Also, failure rates on hardware components these days are so low that they're essentially a non-issue for the majority of people during the typical lifetime of a laptop like this.

 

I will keep going with LGA laptops as long as I can, but I do not have infinite money at my disposal, and will therefore go with whatever laptop meets my needs and makes the most financial sense to me. I went with my X170 because it's the only laptop I know of from the current few generations that can handle a full load on the CPU and GPU simultaneously for a combined load of 440 watts, and it can handle that indefinitely just like a desktop since it basically is one. I require that. If I didn't, I'd probably have snagged up this Lenovo Legion 7 instead. Middle school me would've been ecstatic for such a deal on such processing power.

[TreeTopsRanch]

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[jlp0209]

Keep checking the site, it'll come and go if the Legion 5 Pro Gen 6 is any indicator. 

 

Fair comments above, highly dependent on the user. I no longer have any desire for a desktop PC considering how powerful laptops are becoming. Give me a nice screen, powerful components, good battery, dual storage drives, good warranty = happy as a clam. Years ago I bought a Mythlogic laptop and a Clevo (forgot the type) from another boutique shop that had screen issues prior to that. I sold the Mythlogic about a year after I bought it and the buyer emailed me a year after that due to motherboard failure and Mythlogic needing some purchase info from me. I have no patience or time for that nonsense / dealing with boutique companies, total pain. 

 

Also my games all run at at least high - ultra at 1600p and over 100fps on this thing (Forza games, Sekiro, Grid, F1, RDR2, Death Stranding). Anything over 60fps is gravy to me, which this laptop will be more than capable of for at least some years.

 

GPU temps are fantastic, I rarely have seen it surpass 80 degrees. It runs cooler than my desktop 3080 Ti did which blows my mind (granted I had a smaller ATX setup, but still, it's quite a feat, imo). 

 

This laptop has changed the game for me in terms of setup. First time in 12+ years I've been comfortable going laptop only. The ability to take my entire work server + files in addition to a gaming beast, that also has 7 hours of battery life when needed, anywhere I go, is invaluable. Yes, I've become a Legion fanboy 🙂.

[Clamibot]

That's pretty much the reason I've always preferred laptops over desktops. I really like having a computer I can use anywhere I want, whenever I want. That's enough to keep me buying DTRs even though they're more expensive than the equivalent desktop setup.

 

The convenience that the portability of laptops introduces is just too good to pass up. Even though I keep my laptop at my desk for 90% of the time, the 10% of the time I actually take it somewhere with me makes it worth having.

[ryan]

why would you buy a 3080 1800 dollar laptop when a 3060 laptop can be had for 900....your not going to get a much better experience certainly not a 900 dollars more experience

[Reciever]

There is more to a laptop than only the gpu :), I'd imagine the reasoning must be in there. 

[saturnotaku]

7 hours ago, ryan said:

why would you buy a 3080 1800 dollar laptop when a 3060 laptop can be had for 900....your not going to get a much better experience certainly not a 900 dollars more experience

 

The bigger question is why are you bumping threads that haven't had posts in 2+ months, especially when the laptop in question has long since sold out?

[ryan]

whoops yeah...didn't check time...point still valid...thanks