No 'Apple' section in Notebook Manufacturers subforum?

[Bullit]

I also vote for a  Mac section in manufacturers forum. It is bad for the forum to have only PC's. 

 

Should also open an ARM section now with Qualcomms arriving. in 2024

[Aaron44126]

3 hours ago, Bullit said:

Should also open an ARM section now with Qualcomms arriving. in 2024

 

Qualcomm's exclusive deal to make ARM CPUs for Windows PCs will be ending next year.  NVIDIA and AMD both appear to be working on ARM CPUs for Windows PCs and could have something out in 2025.  This can only be a good thing...

• More competition encourages higher innovation and lower prices.
• More people using Windows on ARM will force Microsoft to make Windows on ARM better.  (...Do something about being able to run applications/games that use AVX instructions?)
• Maybe we'll get some Windows laptops that aren't terrible.  (High performance, and yet cool/quiet and long battery life when there is not a demanding load running.  Hello MacBook Pro.)

https://www.reuters.com/technology/nvidia-make-arm-based-pc-chips-major-new-challenge-intel-2023-10-23/

[Bullit]

Yes it is an welcome addition.

I am really fed up that a powerful  PC laptop or an office one do not have a silent button to listen to music or play a movie in silence or just writing a letter.  While my 199 euro tablet and my 200ish euro smartphone can.

 

 

[Reciever]

13 hours ago, Bullit said:

I also vote for a  Mac section in manufacturers forum. It is bad for the forum to have only PC's. 

 

Should also open an ARM section now with Qualcomms arriving. in 2024

 

We had one, no one used it nor has anyone made a single thread for Apple within the "other manufacturers" sub-forum. A few members have used the OS section to discuss Apple as an OS (to which I enjoyed reading) but not a whole lot of traffic to justify creating a sub-forum for it.

 

Same goes for ARM, no reason an official discussion thread cant be made, if there is enough traffic more than happy to make a sub-forum for it.

[Bullit]

I disagree with that policy,  it prevents new users setting shop in an existing inviting home.

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Just now, Bullit said:

I disagree with that policy,  it prevents new users setting shop in an existing inviting home.

They are welcome to make a thread, just like anyone else is. If it's in the wrong section or if they or yourself are unsure of the correct placement, more than happy to assist.

 

The only things preventing hypothetical users from posting is a lack of interest or willpower. No one is stopping anyone from making a thread for that subject.

[saturnotaku]

An entire sub-forum dedicated to Apple is not necessary given the comparatively much smaller user base this site has. As was stated, make a thread, or go to MacRumors.

[kojack]

Agreed, I make a thread in the OS section talking about macs and I don't think I got a response.  As for the Arm chips, look out next spring. Oryon is going to be coming like a wecking ball to laptops and tablets near you.  Apple is going to lose it's one major advantage in the computing space.  Efficiency. Interesting times. 

[Aaron44126]

2 hours ago, kojack said:

Apple is going to lose it's one major advantage in the computing space.  Efficiency. Interesting times. 

 

Will be interested to see.  Just because it is an ARM CPU doesn't mean it is automatically "great" in terms of efficiency and performance, though I imagine it isn't too hard to beat x86 for efficiency.  Apple has shown a consistent lead of a year or more over Qualcomm in ARM chips for phones (in terms of performance), they are competitive against the top chips coming out of Intel for laptops (in terms of performance), they can even compete against mid-range laptop discrete GPUs, and right now they basically have a lock on the 3nm chips coming out of TSMC.

 

I am hoping that we don't see third-parties produce more ARM chips that are "efficient" but not necessarily "performant" like what we have seen so far.  (Qualcomm has ARM laptop chips but they don't come close to hitting the performance that either Intel or Apple deliver.  Never mind actually trying to do gaming on one of those systems.)

 

Still like I said, competition should make things better for everyone and I am really ready for ARM to shake up the laptop space.

[kojack]

5 hours ago, Aaron44126 said:

 

Will be interested to see.  Just because it is an ARM CPU doesn't mean it is automatically "great" in terms of efficiency and performance, though I imagine it isn't too hard to beat x86 for efficiency.  Apple has shown a consistent lead of a year or more over Qualcomm in ARM chips for phones (in terms of performance), they are competitive against the top chips coming out of Intel for laptops (in terms of performance), they can even compete against mid-range laptop discrete GPUs, and right now they basically have a lock on the 3nm chips coming out of TSMC.

 

I am hoping that we don't see third-parties produce more ARM chips that are "efficient" but not necessarily "performant" like what we have seen so far.  (Qualcomm has ARM laptop chips but they don't come close to hitting the performance that either Intel or Apple deliver.  Never mind actually trying to do gaming on one of those systems.)

 

Still like I said, competition should make things better for everyone and I am really ready for ARM to shake up the laptop space.

From what I have been reading they are equivalent to the current M3 (non pro) chips. For a first kick at the can in the pc space that is decent. I will take it.