Intel Arc - a new Competitor

[cylix]

Lets discuss the new forey of Intel into GPUs here 😃

 

Arc 770 and 750 benchmarks and reviews are here and are a mixed bag. Cards are for sure looking great on the exterior but performance is a mess 😄 . The power is there but the drivers are really in a closed beta state.  Synthetic benchmarks show that the A770 can and is at a 3070 level or can even beat it but in games is a mess, its like these cards are for playing only new DX12 games, older games on dx 10, 11 are terrible..

 What surprise me is how good are the cards in Ray tracying. They destroy AMD in ray tracing. The tech inside also looks great, i mean they have dp 2.0, very good codecs and the pricing is great. If they can keep up and work on the drivers i think Intel can get a foothold inside the duopoly that we have which is great for us the consumers.

If i had a secondary sys at home i would buy a 770 just to support Intel in the GPU market. We deserve a 3rd player to mess with the Greedy Goblin and Team Red.

 

 

 

 

[cylix]

Digital Foundrys Review is good

 

 

[jaybee83]

oof... Intel didnt make it easy to make a decision on this one. on one hand, im on Linus' side, i.e. purchase 100% as long as ure comfortable to do troubleshooting in order to support a third competitor in the gpu market.

on the other hand, its beta hardware and software at best, price to performance it not really that good (especially compared with AMD cards) and lastly, mid to longterm support is sketchy at best, with Intel basically just trying to minimize damage and have "proof" for their investors that a gpu launch actually took place. however, Battlemage will likely be just 1-2 low power skus, with Celestial unsure if theyll even do that at all for consumer. long story short, its not yet clear if intel is even here to stay or not as a gpu vendor...

[Hertzian56]

Yeah wait and see on this but it really just depends on how serious intel is about it, their commitment to drivers and such. Similar to the AMD-ATI  merger. I don't see any reason why they can't be viable in real world gaming. Time and money to build it all up.

 

Agree about new cards really being for 2k+ and not being as efficient with older dx games and lower resolutions mostly cpu there I guess. Notice the huge wave of remakes/remasters that require way over what the original games needed, they're just farming us really. Take down free mods that do all the important things the remasters/remakes essentially do charge way too much etc

[cylix]

Yes depends what strategy they have. If the cards sell well tehy will stay but if they dont then they have 2 oprions: Take the loss and exit or take the loss for this generation or 2 but contiune to develop until there is light at the end. If the support is there nd drivers mature for sure the customers will come.

They need to think like Amd in the past, long until they will get the base.

[jaybee83]

8 minutes ago, cylix said:

Yes depends what strategy they have. If the cards sell well tehy will stay but if they dont then they have 2 oprions: Take the loss and exit or take the loss for this generation or 2 but contiune to develop until there is light at the end. If the support is there nd drivers mature for sure the customers will come.

They need to think like Amd in the past, long until they will get the base.

 

yep its a chicken and egg problem: u need customers buying the card to have the motivation to do proper driver support, push the arch and set a baseline for long term nextgen developments. but in order to get customers, ull need to do proper driver support, push the arch....u get the idea 😛 

[kojack]

I just watched a video on the new Arc 770x where they used Davinci Resolve with proper drivers/encoders/etc for intel. It flattend a 3060 with almost 45fps more exporting speed. It's not great for gamers, but for us creators, it's going to be a great platform because it takes advantage of the igpu onboard of the processor and both work together in both encoding and decoding.  All other nvidia and ATI (or whatever they are now), use the igpu for one thing and the gpu for the other.

Intel uses both for both and it works.  Like I said, it's a card that's slow for gaming, like most people here use it for, but for creation,  it works great! I also noticed that it's very power efficient as well. If Canada Computers website is correct, the Arc draws 225w where as the 4080ti I could find, is drawing a max of 750w ( am not sure on this number, it seems high, but I do know they are very power hungry). 

[Aaron44126]

Intel Arc A750 (supposedly in competition with GeForce RTX 3060) is getting a price cut down to $250 USD.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/1/23580952/intel-arc-a750-price-cut-directx-9-performance-improvements

[kojack]

The price of the 770 is not bad at all.  I use it only for video/photo/graphics work and from what I have seen, pairing it, with a 13900k would be a complete beast of a system for doing that work. 

[Eban]

So....I must make confession here. I've been building a junk desktop.

ie I haven't built a desktop in years so I played a game with myself have sourced the parts from Japans version of Feebay. Yahoo auction. I bought each component for under $100  I will make another desktop in a year or so and source new parts, this was really just for practice and giggles.

 

So anyway I have an ASRock B660M mobo with Intel i3-12100F (I got these just on a timing and price criteria)

Now I'm looking for a graphics card. I have these 2 options right now but from what I read The intel Arc isnt great for games (or wasnt, still true?)

 

MSI GeForce RTX3050 overcolocked 6GB or IntelArc  A580 8GB

 

I'm more familiar with the greengoblin of course. They are very close to same price.

Anyone has a current opinion of the Arc? Most of what I read is a little dated (as are both the cards).

 

Thank you in advance!

[saturnotaku]

Arc isn't well optimized for older DirectX 9-10 era games. It's a hardware problem more than a software one. That said, assuming your motherboard also supports resizable BAR, I would still probably get the A580 over the 6 GB RTX 3050 purely out of spite for NVIDIA sticking its thumb in the collective eye of the consumer.

 

Today also marks the official launch of Battlemage, with the mid-range B580 ($250) and B570 ($220) coming later this month and in mid-January, respectively. The completely overhauled architecture looks like it will deliver significant performance improvements over Alchemist. B580 seems like it will compete more with the RTX 4060 than the 4060 Ti as was rumored. I think those expectations were a bit too lofty, though.

 

 

[Eban]

On 12/4/2024 at 12:54 AM, saturnotaku said:

Arc isn't well optimized for older DirectX 9-10 era games. It's a hardware problem more than a software one. That said, assuming your motherboard also supports resizable BAR, I would still probably get the A580 over the 6 GB RTX 3050 purely out of spite for NVIDIA sticking its thumb in the collective eye of the consumer.

 

 

Thank you for the reply @saturnotaku

I do agree with you whole heartedly re Nvidias treatment of its customers. I knew of the directx9-10 thing but thought (hoped) t was a software issue (as I read a few people had trouble getting drivers to install correctly)

 

But anyway I think I will go for the ARC just to play some "newer" games and I still have my Legion to play older stuff if the arc looks too crappy.

If this runs well when I build a system next year with new parts I might get another newer ARC.

[kojack]

I can't wait to see how it does video editing.  Thats what I need graphics power for. 

[Papusan]

On 12/3/2024 at 4:54 PM, saturnotaku said:

Arc isn't well optimized for older DirectX 9-10 era games. It's a hardware problem more than a software one. That said, assuming your motherboard also supports resizable BAR, I would still probably get the A580 over the 6 GB RTX 3050 purely out of spite for NVIDIA sticking its thumb in the collective eye of the consumer.

 

Today also marks the official launch of Battlemage, with the mid-range B580 ($250) and B570 ($220) coming later this month and in mid-January, respectively. The completely overhauled architecture looks like it will deliver significant performance improvements over Alchemist. B580 seems like it will compete more with the RTX 4060 than the 4060 Ti as was rumored. I think those expectations were a bit too lofty, though.

 

 

 

Battlemage is a lot better card than the old Arc. So Intel have improved a lot and finally can compete in low/mid end. 

 

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