Sandy Bridge Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 The USB Promoter Group has announced the next version of USB, which will be backwards-compatible with USB 4.0. Rather than the names you might expect, such as USB 4.1 or USB 5.0, it will be known as USB 4 Version 2.0. You can read the official announcement at https://usb.org/sites/default/files/2022-10/USB-IF USB 80Gbps Announcement_FINAL_v2.pdf The marquee feature appears to be 80 Gbps operation, including over existing 40 Gbps passive cables. It will also be possible to configure a 120 Gbps/40 Gbps asymmetric mode. Anyone chomping at the bit to upgrade? Or perhaps to lobby the USB Promoter Group to adopt a better naming scheme? I don't think it's quite as bad as the Generation I/Generation II confusion with USB 3.1/3.2, but I'm sure there will people mistakenly buying USB 4.0 instead of USB 4.0 Version 2.0 in a few years... Desktop: Core i5 2500k "Sandy Bridge" | RX 480 | 32 GB DDR3 | 1 TB 850 Evo + 512 GB NVME + HDDs | Seasonic 650W | Noctua Fans | 8.1 Pro Laptop: MSI Alpha 15 | Ryzen 5800H | Radeon 6600M | 64 GB DDR4 | 4 TB TLC SSD | 10 Home Laptop history: MSI GL63 (2018) | HP EliteBook 8740w (acq. 2014) | Dell Inspiron 1520 (2007) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IamTechknow Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Sandy Bridge said: I don't think it's quite as bad as the Generation I/Generation II confusion with USB 3.1/3.2, but I'm sure there will people mistakenly buying USB 4.0 instead of USB 4.0 Version 2.0 in a few years... Yeah, this new USB version reminded me of USB 3.1 Gen 1/USB 3.2 Gen 1 which much worse. I'm going to guess that the new version is not called 5.0 because it is backwards compatible, but I would have preferred 4.1. I'm sure we will be waiting for 1 or 2 years to see USB 4.0 2.0 devices and ports released, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee83 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Sandy Bridge said: The USB Promoter Group has announced the next version of USB, which will be backwards-compatible with USB 4.0. Rather than the names you might expect, such as USB 4.1 or USB 5.0, it will be known as USB 4 Version 2.0. You can read the official announcement at https://usb.org/sites/default/files/2022-10/USB-IF USB 80Gbps Announcement_FINAL_v2.pdf The marquee feature appears to be 80 Gbps operation, including over existing 40 Gbps passive cables. It will also be possible to configure a 120 Gbps/40 Gbps asymmetric mode. Anyone chomping at the bit to upgrade? Or perhaps to lobby the USB Promoter Group to adopt a better naming scheme? I don't think it's quite as bad as the Generation I/Generation II confusion with USB 3.1/3.2, but I'm sure there will people mistakenly buying USB 4.0 instead of USB 4.0 Version 2.0 in a few years... actually, havent they already changed the whole usb naming scheme to just list the speed? the usb 4 v2 moniker is supposed to just be for internal developer reference. consumer facing theyll just list Gbps: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/09/usb-if-says-goodbye-to-confusing-superspeed-usb-branding/ in any case, i juuuuust got my first 40 gbps (usb 4 / tb 4) ports in with my new desktop build and wham heres the next gen already 😂 quite insane if you think about it: 40 gbps is already sufficient to saturate external PCIe 3.0 x4 drives, with the new 80 gbps doing the same for PCIe 4.0 x4 drives, craaaaazy Mine: Hyperion "Titan God of Heat, Heavenly Light, Power" (2022-24) AMD Ryzen 9 7950X (TG High Perf. IHS) / Asus ROG Crosshair X670E Extreme / MSI Geforce RTX 4090 Suprim X / Teamgroup T-Force Delta RGB DDR5-8200 2x24 GB / Seagate Firecuda 530 4 TB / 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4 TB / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 (Push/Pull 6x Noctua NF-A14 IndustrialPPC-3000 intake) / Seasonic TX-1600 W Titanium / Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2 TG (3x Arctic P12 A-RGB intake / 4x Arctic P14 A-RGB exhaust / 1x Arctic P14 A-RGB RAM cooling) / Samsung Odyssey Neo G8 32" 4K 240 Hz / Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize Cherry MX Brown / Corsair M65 Ultra RGB / PDP Afterglow Wave Black My Lady's: Clevo NH55JNNQ "Alfred" (2022-24) Sharp LQ156M1JW03 FHD matte 15.6" IGZO 8 bit @248 Hz / Intel Core i5 12600 / Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Ti / Mushkin Redline DDR4-3200 2x32 GB / Samsung 970 Pro 1 TB / Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB / Intel AX201 WIFI 6+BT 5.2 / Win 11 Pro Phoenix Lite OS / 230 W PSU powered by Prema Mod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Bridge Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 16 hours ago, jaybee83 said: actually, havent they already changed the whole usb naming scheme to just list the speed? Yes, and thankfully this will likely fit into that quite nicely. I for one welcome this new speed-based branding. And yes, 40 Gbps is quite fast. Full speed external PCIe SSDs, it's a crazy world we live in. I think I have a 10 Gbps port as the fastest on my desktop, but it might be 20 Gbps, I'd have to find the box to look it up. I don't have an external device that's fast enough to figure it out by testing. I have no idea what my laptop maxes out at, other than it's at least 5 Gbps. If they'd introduced the speed-based labeling a decade ago, I'd know for sure how fast my ports are. 21 hours ago, IamTechknow said: I'm going to guess that the new version is not called 5.0 because it is backwards compatible, but I would have preferred 4.1. But hasn't USB always been at least mostly of backwards-compatible, as long as the connector shape is the same? Plug a USB 2.0 device into a USB 3.0 port, or vice versa, and most of the time it works just fine. I think there was some backwards-compatibility with 1.1 as well, though I'm less sure about that. Desktop: Core i5 2500k "Sandy Bridge" | RX 480 | 32 GB DDR3 | 1 TB 850 Evo + 512 GB NVME + HDDs | Seasonic 650W | Noctua Fans | 8.1 Pro Laptop: MSI Alpha 15 | Ryzen 5800H | Radeon 6600M | 64 GB DDR4 | 4 TB TLC SSD | 10 Home Laptop history: MSI GL63 (2018) | HP EliteBook 8740w (acq. 2014) | Dell Inspiron 1520 (2007) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 if the max ssd speed is 10 000 mbps whats the real world use for usb 4? is it more of a future proofing deal or is their electronics that can utilize this? ZEUS-COMING SOON Omen 16 2021 Zenbook 14 oled Vivobook 15x oled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron44126 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 2 hours ago, ryan said: if the max ssd speed is 10 000 mbps whats the real world use for usb 4? is it more of a future proofing deal or is their electronics that can utilize this? eGPUs! 1 Apple MacBook Pro 16-inch, 2023 (personal) • Dell Precision 7560 (work) • Full specs in spoiler block below Info posts (Windows) — Turbo boost toggle • The problem with Windows 11 • About Windows 10/11 LTSC Spoiler Apple MacBook Pro 16-inch, 2023 (personal) M2 Max 4 efficiency cores 8 performance cores 38-core Apple GPU 96GB LPDDR5-6400 8TB SSD macOS 15 "Sequoia" 16.2" 3456×2234 120 Hz mini-LED ProMotion display Wi-Fi 6E + Bluetooth 5.3 99.6Wh battery 1080p webcam Fingerprint reader Also — iPhone 12 Pro 512GB, Apple Watch Series 8 Dell Precision 7560 (work) Intel Xeon W-11955M ("Tiger Lake") 8×2.6 GHz base, 5.0 GHz turbo, hyperthreading ("Willow Cove") 64GB DDR4-3200 ECC NVIDIA RTX A2000 4GB Storage: 512GB system drive (Micron 2300) 4TB additional storage (Sabrent Rocket Q4) Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2021 15.6" 3940×2160 IPS display Intel Wi-Fi AX210 (Wi-Fi 6E + Bluetooth 5.3) 95Wh battery 720p IR webcam Fingerprint reader Previous Dell Precision 7770, 7530, 7510, M4800, M6700 Dell Latitude E6520 Dell Inspiron 1720, 5150 Dell Latitude CPi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryan Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 I long forgot about egpus because in the past they just have not been worth it unless you have a good sized disposable income. I personally now would like to see benchmarks, maybe when it comes out someone can post egpu results, any speculations? ZEUS-COMING SOON Omen 16 2021 Zenbook 14 oled Vivobook 15x oled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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