Precision 7680 / Precision 7780 pre-release discussion (Raptor Lake, 2023)

[Aaron44126]

EMVCo has approved Precision 3480 and Precision 3581.

[Aaron44126]

EMVCo has approved Precision 3580.

[Aaron44126]

Is Raptor Lake going to be with us for two years?  Meteor Lake launch delayed?

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-roadmap-leaks-raptor-lake-refresh-hedt-replacement-in-2023

 

("Raptor Lake refresh" desktop CPUs coming in 2H 2023.)

 

They could launch the new node first on the laptop line... they've done it before, i.e. Tiger Lake (10nm laptop) / Rocket Lake (14nm desktop).  This to say that we could see a generation with desktops on "Raptor Lake refresh" but laptops getting something newer.  We'll see...

[meowpressreturn]

If they want me to consider it then they need to provide an option for touchpad buttons. A proper keyboard layout would be nice too.

They could even make the touchpad buttons a stupidly expensive option, its not like there's any competition or options in the embuttoned touchypads niche anymore 😞

[Aaron44126]

13900HX shows up in Geekbench.  8P+16E (as expected) and about 20% faster than 12900K in a multi-core benchmark.  (It looks like the additional E cores are where the boost comes from, because the single-threaded benchmark shows an almost negligible gain.)

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/13900hx-outperforms-12900k-geekbench-5

[IamTechknow]

1 hour ago, Aaron44126 said:

13900HX shows up in Geekbench.  8P+16E (as expected) and about 20% faster than 12900HX in a multi-core benchmark.  (It looks like the additional E cores are where the boost comes from, because the single-threaded benchmark shows an almost negligible gain.)

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/13900hx-outperforms-12900k-geekbench-5

The 13900HX should be much faster than the 12900HX even. It looks like the article is comparing the 13900HX with the desktop 12900K and asserting that it scores 20% higher than the desktop CPU.

[Aaron44126]

22 minutes ago, IamTechknow said:

The 13900HX should be much faster than the 12900HX even. It looks like the article is comparing the 13900HX with the desktop 12900K and asserting that it scores 20% higher than the desktop CPU.

 

You are right.  I missed the desktop-vs-laptop comparison.

 

(Though honestly, we don't know what type of system the CPU was in when it was benchmarked.  It could even be in a development board with a desktop-style cooler.  We'll have to still wait and see how it performs in various specific laptop models.)

[MyPC8MyBrain]

according to the article these should be available sometime in the next 10 days (aka before 2023), i find that hard to believe, 

[Aaron44126]

7 minutes ago, MyPC8MyBrain said:

according to the article these should be available sometime in the next 10 days (aka before 2023), i find that hard to believe, 

 

It says "Raptor Lake" laptops will be available before the end of 2022 (Intel has stated this in the past) but it does not say that about the HX line specifically.

I'm sticking with my earlier projection.  We'll hear about lots of systems with Raptor Lake H at CES (coming up soon) that will probably be launching throughout first quarter 2023, but Raptor Lake HX will be a few months further out still.

[MyPC8MyBrain]

18 minutes ago, Aaron44126 said:

but Raptor Lake HX will be a few months further out still

that cant be good for business, 

[Ionising_Radiation]

13 hours ago, IamTechknow said:

The 13900HX should be much faster than the 12900HX even. It looks like the article is comparing the 13900HX with the desktop 12900K and asserting that it scores 20% higher than the desktop CPU.

 

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it will behave similarly to its 12900HX(opens in new tab) predecessor that had a max boost of 5GHz and a max turbo power rating of 157W, with a 55W base processor power.

157 W... That's squarely in desktop territory. Intel and AMD should be chasing efficiency if they really want to compete with Apple M...

[Aaron44126]

4 hours ago, Ionising_Radiation said:

157 W... That's squarely in desktop territory. Intel and AMD should be chasing efficiency if they really want to compete with Apple M...

 

Alder Lake HX also had a 157W upper limit.  I think that the power efficiency at lower power levels is not bad, especially with the E cores in play...  But, obviously more power = higher performance and competition is forcing Intel to raise power limits in order to stay on top of the performance charts.

 

I suppose they figure you'll buy an Alder Lake "P" or "U" CPU if you want a system that gobbles less power .....?  Heck, even the Alder Lake U CPUs have up to 10 cores / 12 threads and can turbo boost to 4.8 GHz.  (Dell offers "U" CPUs in the Precision 3000 line.)

[Aaron44126]

Rumored specs showing AD103 as the top GPU for laptops next generation, and NVIDIA could indeed be naming it "GeForce 4090" despite the same 175W limit that we are seeing for this generation.  (Top pro 5000-level GPU will likely match specs with whatever the top consumer mobile GPU is.)

https://videocardz.com/newz/alleged-nvidia-geforce-rtx-40-laptop-gpu-clock-and-tgp-specs-emerge

 

I'd say that this means that there is not much room for a mid-generation GPU upgrade in the 2024 systems.  (I seriously doubt that NVIDIA will try to shove an AD102 GPU into laptops.)

[MyPC8MyBrain]

i cant help but ask myself where is this going?

im all for desktop power in a mobile station, but it has to work not just "run" with power,
these products and specs look great on paper but don't really work efficiently in a small chassis,
how is twice E core will work in same chassis before pigs fly or laws of physics change? 

[Aaron44126]

10 minutes ago, MyPC8MyBrain said:

how is twice E core will work in same chassis before pigs fly or laws of physics change? 

 

I think twice the E cores will be fine.

 

Will it work with higher power limits (overall) or clock speeds than Alder Lake / 12th gen?  No.

Will it be faster, as in, get more work done in the same amount of time overall?  For fully multi-threaded loads, likely yes.  More cores running at lower power levels (per core) is generally more efficient in terms of performance-per-watt.

[MyPC8MyBrain]

lets just hope the engineers assigned to the new platform will not package all this with a 240w brick 

[Aaron44126]

4 minutes ago, MyPC8MyBrain said:

lets just hope the engineers assigned to the new platform will not package all this with a 240w brick 

 

Ha.  Don't get your hopes up.  I think Dell thinks that their primary market for these systems (larger businesses) want to see both the power brick and the system chassis becoming smaller, not larger.  (They're probably right.)

[MyPC8MyBrain]

38 minutes ago, Aaron44126 said:

I think Dell thinks that their primary market for these systems (larger businesses)

that may have been the perception a decade or two ago not so much today, Precision line is Dell's most expensive from their offerings,
consumers today are educated, well versed, not to mention well connected with their community and technical peers (even government entities) 😉 
what precision represented years ago as industry standard is now common knowledge and standards all manufactures follow in order to compete with Dell, 
today just about any run of the mill laptop will do the same designated workload used to be reserved to the few powerful stations which there's almost no distinction today when it comes to power engineering laptops, i deliberately am using the word "laptops" because the line between a workstation almost doesn't exists now days, things have changed dramatically since this old perception was put in place 20 years ago, 

 

  

38 minutes ago, Aaron44126 said:

want to see both the power brick and the system chassis becoming smaller, not larger.

to be fair that 330w brick is anything but portable, i would not appose to a dual AC adapter solutions 240w / 330w based on needs,
this way one could dial his needs when more juice needed and be more green and light when not needed,
 

@Dell-Mano_G if that was an option and the logic as a consumer id purchase both power supplies with my system at the time of sale.

[iieeann]

With GaN, 330W should be similar size and weight of old 240W brick.  However if this is implemented on next Precision, the USB-C 240W charging will not be applicable again.  Most likely we still need to spend money to buy the highest end CPU to run at its minimum speed.  same to GPU too.

[SvenC]

Intel 13th HX announced at CES 2023

[Aaron44126]

Just came here to post the same thing, ha.

 

Intel has their own announcement: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/intel-announces-worlds-fastest-mobile-processor.html

 

A little surprised to see HX announced; it breaks their pattern of announcing only the lower-end CPU first that they have had for the last two years.  I haven't seen any specific laptops announced with 13th-gen HX CPUs, but that might be coming any moment now since CES is just getting underway.  (Still not really expecting to see them launch before April at the earliest, but I could always be wrong.)

[Aaron44126]

13950HX actually has a slightly higher clock speed than 13900HX (...and is listed cheaper??).

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/232149/intel-core-i913950hx-processor-36m-cache-up-to-5-50-ghz.html

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/232171/intel-core-i913900hx-processor-36m-cache-up-to-5-40-ghz.html

 

It looks like the same story as last year; HX CPUs with models ending in "50" are "business versions" with extra features (i.e. ECC memory support).

[Nigh on Noon]

I'm assuming we'll see a bunch of laptops announced after the Nvidia presentation today, now that both next gen CPUs and GPUs are official. AFAIK it would be unprecedented for Dell to announce something like the Precision 7000 series at CES, though. Presumably Dell would need to wait for Nvidia to announce professional mobile Lovelace for that to happen, but I think they'll just announce Geforce mobile today...

[Aaron44126]

37 minutes ago, Nigh on Noon said:

I'm assuming we'll see a bunch of laptops announced after the Nvidia presentation today, now that both next gen CPUs and GPUs are official. AFAIK it would be unprecedented for Dell to announce something like the Precision 7000 series at CES, though. Presumably Dell would need to wait for Nvidia to announce professional mobile Lovelace for that to happen, but I think they'll just announce Geforce mobile today...

 

Indeed, but we could see perhaps an Alienware product announcement from Dell, or HX laptops from other gaming laptop OEMs, with release windows giving a hint of when the HX CPUs will "really" be available.  (Dell Precision 7000 tends to lag behind gaming laptops of the same generation by something like 4-6 weeks.)  I'm fully expecting any HX laptops announced to have a "second quarter 2023" release window, but regular H laptops might start dropping around the end of this month or early February.

[Aaron44126]

NVIDIA has some details out for laptops.

February 8 -- GeForce 4090 and 4080 laptops available

February 22 -- GeForce 4070, 4060, and 4050 follow

(Now need information on specific models and specs...)