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22 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It might be smart to just ride it a bit and not try too hard to grab a 5090 and see what actually plays out as 5090s begin to trickle into the hands of people that know how to use them. You know how the hype train tends to work. The YouTube circus usually swings back and forth between fanboys and haters and we don't know what is for real until real people get ahold of products we wonder about.

 

I expect more people will soon figure out that paying bucks for no benefit is dumb and the value of used 4090s will plummet with the better-built versions of 5080 going for around $1200 or an FE for $999.

 

While it is not the flagship, I think 5080 is actually priced to value in today's grossly inflated market. It is priced exactly where a 4090 should have been priced. First time in a very long time I have been able to identify a priced-to-value PC component. 5080 pricing is like an ice pick to the testicles of everyone that purchased a 4090 at or near its intended MSRP and like something worse for anyone that paid more.

 

The 5090 would only be a good value if it were priced to match the intended 4090 MSRP. I think it is overvalued by around $1000 to be honest. It's sad that people are scrambling to pay that and allow them to get away with it, but that happens all the time. People are always eager to overpay for things they want because desire and passion always trump good sense.

The 4090 is still way faster than a 5080. Not to mention 50% less VRAM. I don’t think value on 4090’s will change much. I have a techpowerup spread sheet of all games tested in 1080/1440P/2160P Max/Avg/Min. And the 4090 gaps the 5080 extremely well. 

At least I have my 4090 to use so I am thankful for that, would have been terrible if I prematurely sold it for a very low price lol 🙂 By the way, Sniper Elite 6 just came out on Game Pass! 

1 minute ago, Mr. Fox said:

Maybe I will sell my Gigabutt 4090 and buy a 5080 and use the leftover cash to buy gold and silver. At going rates I could probably sell it for $2,000 to a moron. There seems to be no shortage of them.

Plus, Nvidia made two million 5080's and only fifty thousand 5090's so your chances of getting a 5080 are really good! 

How do you buy a 5090 or 5080 on Nvidia website? I only see 3rd party options even at launch time. 


@electrosoft I think BH Photo is pretty terrible, I am afraid to order from them. I have heard people say they still have 3090's on pre-order and BH photo still had their money lol. They allow ordering on items that are not in stock at times, they charge you right away, then you have to play the long game, the 4090 I got from GTZ said this thing was on back order for 12 months before he finally received it, and that was after he got a notification in his email saying "4090 In-stock click the special buy link". It's just a single brick/mortar store so they may have trouble producing any real inventory of 5080/5090's.

I am signed up to buy a 5090 from the and I have a few where I am "among the first" or as BH Photo calls it. But I am concerned from buying from them. 

16 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

A. Yeah, best buy goes like this:

 

#1. Add to Cart

#2. You're in line!

#3. Sorry, something went wrong! or "Out of Stock" determined by inventory logistics

#4. Add to Cart Button still on screen

#5. Goto #1

 

B. If you manage to make it past this phase

 

#1. Please verify order by logging in again

#2. Here is your 2FA

#3. Go to Check out

#4. Opps something went wrong!

#5. Goto #1

 

C. You actually make it to the final purchase screen

 

#1. Place your order

#2. Opps something went wrong!

#3. Goto B else "That item is currently unavailable"

 

This can happen over and over and over again.

 

This was me earlier:

 

I could not get one either. It sucks. I’ll keep trying. 

I got in the queue 3 times. And it always gave an error, or said out of stock. 
 

automatic dice

32 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

So I take it MSI is off the table for all of us in the US till  06-02-2025 for 5090/5080? They aren't launching theirs till next week. Even B&H says preorders start on the 6th vs tomorrow.

 

 

Newegg pulled all of their 5080/5090 URL's so bots cannot snag them! This was a very smart move. Bots can only buy something if the link is copied and pasted and setup with the bot for the product pages of each item the person is trying to buy, and it refreshes and adds to the cart and automatically buys it. Without any URL's, bots are useless if I am understanding this correctly. 

If you search for 5090 on Newegg nothing comes up at all. 

I am ready for the AM! 

2 hours ago, Talon said:

Nevermind, they are over 50 deep, holy ****. Unreal lol. Ya I'll just be sitting home and trying my luck against the bots. 

The bots really aren’t all that fast. They are quick at adding to cart. But human intervention is still required on Newegg using the Newegg Bot. So you can match their speed for sure. Especially if these are scalpers looking to just re-sale, who are running bots on super slow PC lol. 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Sign me up to get screwed, LOL. Let me stand in line and wait for my abusers to have their way with me, please. 

How 'bout no.

Hopefully none of those too far back in line to get what they want will have a come-undone and do something even more crazy than camping in line for overpriced products. The sense of entitlement is scary strong in some of the mentally under-developed and emotionally defective members of society.

 

Edit: Excluding those with the A$$zeus ROG tax applied, looks like the AIB 5080 pricing is ~$1200. Not great, but also not totally unexpected. Paying twice as much for 5090 with such a small difference in results will be hard to rationalize as prudent. 

 

https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?N=4294966937&NTK=all&sortby=pricehigh

 

  

I doubt that will be a big problem. Game developers are not going to release games that only run well on $2000+ video cards. There wouldn't be enough game-buying customers to stay in business. It is very rare to see games that don't function at an acceptable level with GPUs that are 5+ generations old, or even older. The 1080 (circa 2016) still does a respectable job at playing most games well with decent quality settings below 4K. Most of the people buying games have older hardware and play at 1080p or 1440p. A ton of them are still using even weaker slightly newer products like RX 580 and GTX 1660 Super.

 

What I mean is, the 16GB limit already has issues at 4K right now in titles. 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

So, if (IF) it actually sells for $1200~ for non-FE options it looks like the 5080 is the only financially intelligent choice this time around. Even if it did not soundly beat the 4080S (which it does) the price would make it better than the 4080S or even the 4090 based on the minuscule performance benefit of the 4090 over 5080. $1000 less for almost as much. The gap in performance between 5080, 4080S and 4090 is too small for spending more to make any sense. But, if the price of leftover 4080S stock (if there is any) falls to less than 5080 then 4080S will make more sense. And, 7900 XTX won't make any sense unless it drops to the neighborhood of $600-$650.

 

That 5080 is looking great! The one thing I don’t like is 16GB vram just isn’t enough. 4K Cyberpunk 2077 with Path tracing on, or Starwars Outlaws slammed the 4080 Super for me. I feel like they are having to tweak it to make it smooth and fit inside something, and that worries me for future games.
 

The first time in history where our next gen xx80 class card isn’t faster than the prior gen xx90 class card! Being completely honest, the 4080 beats a stock 3090 pretty good. 4080 Super even beat out my XOC Water-Chilled 3090KP by decent margins in rasterization. And with implementation of Frame Gen it was smoking it in 4K smoothness. 
 

I personally would rather have a 4090 over a 5080. My 4090 isn’t a crazy overclocker as most of you know core wise, I have rebar disabled on my current bios, and my Port Royal score is still higher than his apparent “Max OC 4090 results”. So, it almost feels like he’s comparing a gem to a dud. 
 

The 5080 for $999 isn’t bad. But I almost feel like the 4090 would be better if we fast forward 4-5 years to future games. 

I want this one these are only $2,549.99! It’s only 230mm long or 9.2” And it already has a water-block ready to go! 
 

I feel like less people will be after this one since it has a block. And it’ll increase my chances some. These are always impossible to find after launch it seems. It’s almost like Aorus only makes a few thousand and that’s it. 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I thought of that too. That would not be a smart naming idea from MSI, but I digress. Smart doesn't seem to fit anything in technology space. So, if they release any "Super" GPUs on the refresh MSI would have to call them Super Super OC, LOL. SOC even sounds hoakie. Probably not enough of an overclock for them to tag is XOC.

 

No, we cannot trust the leaker or Franky. But, I would bet on the leaker if I were forced to choose.  So, if the 9070 XT is going to be falling into the 4070 Ti/4080 performance range it really needs to come in closer to $600 and the 9070 like around $500. Even if it were to match 4080 performance there would still be the missing features and comparatively weak ray tracing performance. Maybe it will help drive down the prices of 3090 Ti, 3090 and 3080 back to realistic values. What those cards are typically still selling for is just totally absurd. $2500 for a 5090 is retarded, but not more idiotic than $1500 for 3090, 3090 Ti and 4080. Ludicrous. That will make 9070 XT attractive if it is priced under $700. Maybe two of them for the price of one RTX competitor. 

 

Grab some popcorn. The next 45 to 60 days is going to be pretty entertaining.

I think I'm good for this GPU generation. I'm hoping I can get lucky and snag another certified refurbished EVGA 3090 Ti FTW3 for $700 (paid $800 for this one from NewEgg) so I can revisit the SLI fun from the good old days. It would be interesting to see how 4090 and 5090 fare against 3090 Ti SLI.

3090ti SLI would be fun (Lots of power) I think I saw the rtx5090 was still faster than (2) XOC LN2 cooled 3090Ti’s. So that’s pretty good at least. 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

Considering it wasn't a leaker but an actual retailer who has 9070/xt's on hand (and in the picture) discussing they were supposed to launch last week but have been delayed now after Nvidia's announcement, I know who I trust and it isn't Azor.

 

 

 

lol, you sound like a kid visiting Disney for the first time. 🙂 I like it!

 

I'm indifferent and that is an odd place for me to be mentally. I finally realize why.

 

I feel EXACTLY how I felt when the 2080ti was announced at those prices and when I rocked an AMD 5700xt for almost two years till I picked up a 3090.

 

If I can shake this general disgust at the market and pointedly Nvidia, my order remains the same:

 

#1. Suprim Air

#2. Suprim AIO

#3. FE

#4. Astral (heh, right)

 

I had the opportunity on launch day for the 4000 series to snag a Gigabyte and a lesser MSI but passed because for these prices, I'm not settling.

 

Between the four models, I will snag whichever presents itself first on launch day if I pick one up or I will just opt to pass and not even look. When I say I'm on the fence, I'm on the fence.

 

I'm also hoping for another substantial price drop on the 7900xtx's once the 5080's drop too so that's in play also. They've already come down 10-20% already.

 

 

 

Yeah I’m excited. I just hope I can get one. The 30th at 9am is literally dragging. I’m probably going to go for the same models as you. But if I see a Gigabyte Waterforce Extreme WB 5090 I’m getting that for sure. 

I hope I can snag a 5090. I was considering renting a bot lol. 
 

RTX 5090 day is almost here!!! Good luck everyone! 
 

Which model is everyone going to go for again? 
 

Part of me wants to focus on the 5090 FE at Bestbuy, then the other part wants me to lock in on Newegg, and get an AIB SUPRIM SOC or SOC Liquid. 

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well sure you would. So would I. But I don't think I'd be happy with everybody that owned a 5090 being capped at the same maximum memory overclock. That totally defeats the purpose of owning a product you bought to overclock. Super stupid. The silicon quality should determine the max overclock not the NVIDIOT Nazis.

 

That's one of the Ryzen gotchas, too. You can overclock as much as you want to as long as you're happy raising BCLK to bypass the stupid low fused limits on the CCD core ratios.

 

Gamer sheeple ruin everything for overclocking enthusiasts and the idiots that make the hardware seem to think that gamers and overclockers are the same thing. It must really suck for them to be that stupid, but they probably don't even have an awareness of it.

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I need a better 9950X so I can run the FCLK at 2200+ but the memory seems to be doing well enough.

Well, at least it’s better than me hitting 34Gbps, and you only hitting 31Gbps due to dud GDDR7. (WE ALL HIT 34Gbps!!!)) lol. 😂 

49 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Punchline: Stupid is the new normal. Pay a lot for a little and it's clock-blocked trash. 5080 looks to be a downgrade for 4090 owners and 5090 Kool-Aid drinkers are probably going to get screwed a second time when 5090 Ti drops later.

 

And, here come the clowns! The China Clown Posse.

 

I mean, I would love to be able to OC my 4090’s memory to 34gbps. 😃

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Looking very good 🙂

 

 

Have we ever seen a xx80 with such low performance uplift over previous gen cards? I don't talk about vanilla vs Super refresh. Why not give the 5080 a few more cuda cores when they know the TSMC node was the same? This is awful results if the benchmarks is correct. All people get is some tuned software/features.

 

Imagine pay $1.877.99 for the 5080 Astral and get 4080 refresh performance?😬

 

I expect Nvidia could never have done the same screw up with xx90 due the massive price increase for 5090.  

 

 

Alleged GeForce RTX 5080 3DMark leak: 15% faster than RTX 4080 SUPER
https://videocardz.com/newz/alleged-geforce-rtx-5080-3dmark-leak-15-faster-than-rtx-4080-super

 

 

And does this look nice? Everyone will win bro @Mr. Fox Everyone will  win in the vram lottery😀

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090D Overclocked to a Staggering 3.4 GHz and 34 Gbps Memory

Imagine if the 5080 can run 34Gbps, that’s where it will whoop the 4080 Super for sure. Those cards are so limited by the 256 bit. That would be a 48% faster memory speed on the GDDR7 compared to the GDDR6X. Pretty substantial difference. Maybe another 10-15% and for $999 it’s definitely better than nothing. Asus is still Nuts either way lol. 

28 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think A$$zeus could put RGB on a cow patty and their idiot fanboys would pay $10,000 for it just because of the RGB and ROG name on it. If the ROG logo is RGB they'd pay $12,000 for it. Can't fix stupid.

 

We really need to start punishing bad behavior instead of rewarding it. The only way we can do that is by depriving them of the revenue they need to survive unless or until they knock it off. If they don't knock it off then their companies all deserve to die of monetary starvation. We have all the power and hold all the cards. We need to start playing those cards and begin wielding the deadly sword of common sense. Easier said that done when common sense has become so uncommon.

Gigabyte is stepping it up! They are using server grade high quality thermal putty instead of thermal pads on all of their GPU’s, and they even use Liquid Metal on both the 5090 Extreme Waterforce models! This is amazing to see steps in the right direction. 
 

They wanted to improve temps by 10% and reduce size by 10%. It seems like all of their prices are going to be better than even MSI’s GPU’s. So I may go with a Gigabyte this time as well. 
 

https://www.alktech.co/articles/in-the-news-gigabyte-launches-its-line-up-of-geforce-rtx-5090-and-rtx-5080-graphics-cards

@electrosoft Do you know if MSI USA Store gets their inventory on launch day? They have the RTX 5090’s listed and say “Coming soon” 

44 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

@Mr. Fox Is this enough to try lure you back to jokebooks?😁 

 

 

Intel proposes easily repairable and sustainable modular PC design for laptops and mini PCs

 

 

 

I wonder what Asus will charge for the 5080 Astral. The extra fan and the design cost equal much for the 5080 as for the 5090 Sku. Hmmm. 

5080 Astral is $1,899.99 😂 I don’t know why anyone would pay double price of a 5080 FE 🥴

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Ugh, the more you buy the more noise you get?

 

 

$2800 is absolute insanity. With tax = $2985.50 here so $3k for a video card....

 

THAT. IS. NUTZ. !!

 

That is well over $1000 more than I paid for my Suprim Liquid 4090 after tax.

 

It makes the Suprim look like the sweet spot at $2557.94 after tax lol

 

Gigabyte at $2249 is "only" a 12.5% markup over MSRP or an extra $266.55 out of my pocket....

 

 

So the Astral rules supreme (so far) in PCB VRMS/robustness this time around? Boooooo

 

Suprim is a chonker though in the best way.

 

And yeah, the way they're pushing up against the wall, those two extra stages won't really make or break anything.

 

 

 

 

I’m gonna try for the Aorus Extreme Waterforce WB 1st, then Suprim SOC Liquid 360mm is 2nd option, then Suprim SOC Air 3rd option, and Gigabyte Gaming OC 4th option. Asus can keep their stuff. They’ve officially lost it if these prices are real.
 

Only BH Photo shows the 5090 Aorus Extreme Waterforce probably $2499 or $2599 of I had to guess. I’d love to have a pre-blocked GPU for much less money than what Asus charges for their big 5090 Atlas though.

9 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I laughed out loud over this one. 🤣

 

 

In all honesty, we were all Sheeple the moment we ponied up $1500 for a 3090 and $2k for a KPE......

 

Or when we ponied up $1600+ for a 4090.....

 

Cards moved for Ampere and Ada priced at $2k so Nvidia and AIBs keep pushing upward till they feel a noticeable loss in sales like the 4080 and retreated back down to $999 with the 5080 and have stayed there even this cycle along with lowering prices on the 5070ti and keeping the 5070 the same price. It shows Nvidia bean counters respond to market forces like consumer spending limits and AMD.

 

5090? Zero competition. Zero need to compete price wise.

 

AIBs? Getting in on the money grab. 40% markup for Asus this time with the Astral vs 25% before with the Strix. MSI? 25% markup vs less than 10% before with the Suprim.

 

 

Asus has lost their mind! I just read the 5090 Astral reviews, and literally chuckled at what Guru3D listed in the comments (Clearly a typo) They want $1700 for a 5080 TUF? And they want $2800 for a 5090 Astral?! They are pricing this card +$400 over the Suprim SOC, and +$300 over the Suprim SOC Liquid. I am not getting the Asus Astral! I draw the line at that price 100%. Asus has lost their MIND! That would be $3,015 dollars with taxes not including any extra shipping cost if I want it a little faster.


I really want a 5090 Suprim SOC or SOC Liquid now. Those are priced VERY reasonably to me. But honestly, I'd be very happy with a Gigabyte 5090 Gaming OC for the $2249 or $2299. The Gaming OC is definitely a classic! And while it's not the highest build quality, but their coolers are performing at the very top and they work very well. 

1 hour ago, win32asmguy said:

 

That sounds great! Is it pretty easy to unplug the RGB on that card so it is not active and does not need any control software? Does Gigabyte have issues with providing warranty to second owners?

 

I was reading some reviews and it sounds like the 5090 does not offer much benefit over the 4090 at 1440p. I am pretty happy with my current display other than the fact that its built in KVM / USB hub is junk.

The original owner is gtz who is a very common member on overclock.net. He told me he would help with RMA in the event if something ever happened down the road, I have his phone number so we could work that out for sure. I do have the original receipt that was included. I think RMA has to be done by the original owner with Gigabyte, which is why he happily offered lifetime assistance with the card in the event it ever died or something. But then again, I have read on Reddit that is not the case and people say they have RMA'd 2nd hand video cards with no problem. 

I'd have to pull the GPU to check and see if the RGB unplugs easily or not. I think it does but I cannot see that side of the GPU at the moment, RGB is only on when the fans spin so it’s pretty minimal RGB overall. The original 4090 Gaming OC's had a weak PCIe tail hook that would crack because it was so long, essentially dooming them to fail sooner or later. This model has a thicker and shorter PCIe tail hook so it won't break or crack over time. @Mr. Fox has one of the newer ones as well. 
 

Oh, and this card has never been taken apart by me or the previous owner. The temps achieved by this monstrous air coolers are ridiculous. 

15 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I've had so many I can't keep them straight and sometimes my brain thinks one thing and my fingers type something difference.

 

Those 5090 prices are WAY beyond reasonable.  People paying prices like that help ruin everything for the people not willing to. Those prices are really $hi**y. We are talking K|NGP|N and Galax HOF prices for crappy, emasculated, mass-production gamer-grade trash. $1,000 more than they would be if NVIDIA wasn't deliberately screwing everyone.

 

Somebody needs to get Jensen in a dark alley and just beat the snot out of him.

It is too expensive for sure. I keep reading these comments on Reddit of people saying that 5090 Buyers are all nuts. And I keep stopping to think about it realistically. Maybe It’s not a good decision (I heard Jensen say it was a smart investment, and the more I buy, the more I save 😂). We’ll see how I feel when I actually add a 5090 to the cart and hit send. It’s a lot of money that’s for sure. But I’m gonna do it!! 😬
 

@win32asmguy I have a new revision 4090 Gaming OC with the updated/stronger PCIe slot, I will sell after I get a 5090. I only paid $1,350 for it all in. This card has really good memory on it as well if you are interested. 😃

  Love my 4090 😊 

13 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I do that quite frequently lol. 🙂

 

@tps3443 Looking at the MSI markup, it is actually over a **200%** markup over the 4090 ($150->$500) for the Liquid 4090 on top of an already $400 price increase between the 4090 and 5090.

 

Absolutely bonkers.

 

 

They are so expensive! But the thought of opening a fresh 5090 after launch is exciting. I couldn’t afford a 4090 on launch day, or even a 3090 on launch day. Even though I ended up getting both later on. I want to be like you and others who grabs one at the start and keeps it a while and gets some good usage out of it for a few years. 

51 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

They could have crammed a more classic PCB into another 3090/4090 retrofit, but they are also forward thinking and redesign it from the ground up. The logic here is with this new design if *IF* TDP goes up to let's say 700-800w, they can increase the fin stack and density towards the 4090 levels potentially a push/pull design to compensate or fall back on the prototype 4090 approach.

 

Additional cynicism, it also makes it harder to put it back together with no signs of tampering for repair claims.

 

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It really is shaping up to be a Super Super for the 5080 on down but it is a bit more than a Ti/Super on the top but not by much but again, uplifts of 27-43% is nothing to scoff at. The price on the other hand.....

 

I would love to think sales will be lower, but they won't. Enthusiasts and gamers (along with budding AI fans) will snap them up almost immediately. We won't see any downturn in sales for several months once early adopters simmer down.

 

I am almost sure AMD was shocked at Nvidia's pricing and had to do an about face and pump the breaks because they thought Nvidia was going to come in at least $50-100 higher (if not more) across a few price points. This also doesn't bode well for the 9070xt's performance. We know the 7900xtx is going to be more powerful. If it comes in at 7900GRE levels of performance and is over $600 it is DOA. It will need 7900XT levels of performance and be right around $600 or less to be competitive.

 

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On another note @Mr. Fox, what's the V/F table on your SP112 14900KS? Curious to see what it's points are.

 

 

 

 

 

Arrow Lake is a worthy upgrade outside of gaming. Cooler running, new node, new technologies and a better overall performer on average than 14th gen.....just not in games. It is that poor gaming performance that made it DOA for me.

 

 

I thought the same thing too. Imagine a mid cycle 9090xtx with twice the power and memory...you know, kind of what like Nvidia did with the 5080 and 5090.

 

 

 

WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

$2500 for a 5090 Suprim Liquid?! That's $2665USD out of my pocket. Even the 5090 Suprim Air is $2559USD out of my pocket!

 

Even the bottom tier Ventus is 10% higher than MSRP models = almost $2350 out of my pocket.

 

I'm out. I'm not paying that much for a 5090 and quite frankly in hindsight I'm double glad I sold my 4090 and got back what I paid for it which was ~$1900  after tax.

 

Either I get an FE or an MSRP model that I actually desire (I see none so far) or I'm content to rock a 4070 Super, 5070 or discounted 7900xtx. I'd even go for a used, cheaper 4080 Super at this point and be good to go no matter how amazing the 5090 performance is.

 

Those prices are insanity levels! 🤣

I was expecting these prices, and they are exactly what I thought they’d be. Top dawg AIB’s are always 25% more expensive than the Founder Edition models. 
 

If the 5080 FE is $999, and the Suprim X 5080 is $1,199 or $1,249. Then $2,399 for 5090 Suprim X sounds about right to me. Now, I think the Astral will be $2,549 or $2,599 for sure. I’m maxed out at $2,700. The main reason why I wanted the 5090 FE was to save $500 bucks though lol. Even if I could never put a waterblock on it I’d still get one. Although, typically these water cooling manufactures always make the fanciest waterblocks for the FE cards everytime. That was another reason. 
 

I do not have a Nvidia Store account so my chances are slim. I cannot make a Nvidia store account before launch in preparation because you can’t buy anything from Nvidia that ship from Nvidia to allow me to make an account. So I’ll probably try Best Buy. 

1 hour ago, jaybee83 said:

MSI pricing updates taken from overclock.net:

 

Wow! The Suprim liquid is very tempting. But I’ll probably go with the regular Suprim instead. Maybe the Astral. 
 

I’ll probably waterblock it, and I can’t see pulling that cooler off the Suprim Liquid being a smart move. 

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

dont worry about DP 2.1a vs. 2.1b. ALL RTX 5000 series sport DP 2.1b. the standards are interchangeable, 2.1b is basically just a functionality update with regards to active cables. thus, 2.1b = 2.1a with active cables, thats it.

 

look again at the specs page @Papusan just posted for the Suprim:

 

since 2.1b was only just announced at CES, im guessing not all vendors have updated their GPU specs yet, thats it 🙂 

 

btw, interesting to see that the Astral weighs about 200g more or roughly +7% vs. the Suprim. I wonder if this is due to extra heatpipes, larger VC or if thats just due to the extra fan....hmmm

That astral is a CHONKER! Part of me wants to try for an FE model just to see how I like it. It’s probably going to be $400-$500 dollars cheaper as well. It has Liquid Metal so I imagine the cooling will still be very good compared to the larger 3 slot cards. 
 

Are you avoiding the FE model? I’m mainly interested due to price. If I can save $300-$500 dollars then heck yes! 
 

But yeah the Astral looks great! I am probably going to put either one on water. So the more I save the better. I am considering the Asus TUF as well. I guess the 4090 Strix/TUF were always identical in the past, I’m not sure if the same thing will happen this gen though. 

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

btw, confirmed that both the Astral and the Suprim cards will sport the phase change thermal pads.

 

also, we got updated review embargo dates, MSRP card reviews will hit first:

 

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-reviews-go-live-january-24-rtx-5080-on-january-30

So apparently the Suprim 5090 only has DP 2.1a, while the Astral and the FE have DP 2.1B support. I am not a complete expert on the differences between 2.1a or 2.1b as far as I know 2.1b is better with the ability to run longer display port cable at higher bandwidth since 2.1b has “DP80LL” support or something like that. 

It’s kind of random which models have DP 2.1a or DP2.1b. Like the Zotac AMP Extreme even has 2.1b lol, but the Suprim doesn’t. This is pretty silly. 
 

This makes me want to shoot for the Astral or FE model, or maybe even the Zotac lol.

I am excited to get one though. I will probably try to snag a Founder Edition model first, and if I can’t, I will get an Astral.
 

Being completely honest, there’s not a huge selection of models. Would love to see some more options from Gigabyte/Aorus maybe even PNY as well.