tps3443

13 hours ago, Talon said:

 

https://benchmark.unigine.com/results/rid_77e3607cb53d4f128d156fb9ceb6dae5

 

My 9800X3D with a lowly 4070 Super. While mostly CPU limited, there are times where I can see a 4090 would help. Maybe this week I'll find time to swap GPUs for a few runs. Currently #4 spot with this GPU though. 

 That’s what I was curious about. So I suppose about 8% faster for the 9800X3D in seriously CPU bottlenecked 720P situations AKA: “1080P Quality DLSS”. My 14900KS was stock, other than cache and memory overclocking. 
 

Not sure if a 4090 might help that. I think my 4090 was only around 25-35% GPU usage average. With a max of 48% in the hardest areas. But definitely give it a test and see for sure. Maybe it can do even 70K. 

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Running it as 720P low would basically make it mostly a CPU benchmark. That makes sense in a way and I see some of the YouTube dudes doing it, but what it doesn't do when one does that is actually capture how a CPU truly performs when being used "properly" (as in a real-world scenario) in a gaming setup. I think the conclusion could end up being misleading if the behavior doesn't always hold true to what the "real" experience is like.

Yeah CPU only benchmark. Thats how people do it I guess lol. 

28 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

I think you might appreciate this...

Maybe you can run this. I remember whooping “Fully Tuned” 7800X3D’s and 7950X3D’s  pretty good with my last setup. Honestly the 9950X/9950XD might just take it now though. 

40 minutes ago, ssj92 said:

I've been wondering why my FS test 1 has such low utilization but FS test 2 is good on every GPU I tested. I think this might be why, I am going to try this and hopefully that's it 

Yep! They are wonky with the 1st graphics test, and the physics tests, interesting you’re having the same issues with your 28/56 chip. My firestrike was just like that though. And it’s all due to Hyper Threading. The good news is, real world gaming works really really well leaving HT on. So this is really only needed for Firestrike and Timespy. All of my games I play push my RTX4090 perfectly! Coming from a 14900KS, I don’t really notice a difference real world. 

@ssj92

Disable HT and run Firestrike Physics again. It’ll probably double lol. This is the only test that cannot run right on all threads for me as well. Although weirdly Windows 22H2 helped a lot with this, but disabling HT helps even more!

Firestrike Physics just has no idea what to do with your 3465X. 
 

Another thing is dumb, and this test really makes no sense. My 3175X can run Timespy GT1 at 30% GPU usage with HT on, but GT2 is 100% GPU usage lol. If you turn HT off, it’s full GPU usage for GT1 and GT2. Really just poor optimization I guess. 

3 hours ago, Clamibot said:

 

I've had a lot of fun with the ML360 Sub-Zero. That's the cooler I've been running the entire time I've had my current desktop. It's incredibly good for gaming and allows me to do 5.6 GHz on my 10900K in games, which really helps with games that have an artifically induced single core performance bottleneck.

 

I also know liquid metal wasn't recommended with this cooler, but I did it anyway and that made the temperature results even better of course.

Thats really good to hear. Once it goes inside of an ATX case it’s definitely gonna be using only the Subzero 360. 
 

How do you think 4x16GB will overclock on a 4 dimmer? Like 4266? Maybe 4400? 

15 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Excellent work @Mr. Fox! I'm so glad you're having a much better time than the 5950x debacle. I found the 7800X3D and 7950X3D on the MSI x670e Carbon to be a much better experience than the 5800x on the MSI x570e Tomahawk in every way. Can't wait to see the memory properly cooled and where it takes you along with the 9950x on DD water....good times incoming!

 

 

 

Nice! I really enjoyed my 10900k binning days. A solid year of snagging CPUs and testing them on desktop and laptop use. In hindsight, I think I ended up binning ~15 10900k's over that time and the LTX and SL samples were the cream of the crop followed by ironically an SP63 that was a beast too.

 

My first lesson that SP is not everything but valid as the SL SP101 whomped an SP110 and an SP113 10900k I tested for X170SM usage.

 

I was tempted to pick another one up, but I would be re-inventing the wheel so now I'll sit back and watch you and @win32asmguy post results to enjoy.

 

Looking forward to the build out and pics!

 

 

I might have to throw this on my extreme bench for a quick spin. 😎

You’re right about SP’s. You’d have to have them all delidded side by side for comparable testing. I was actually gonna buy one from another guy it was just an SP101. But looked pretty good. 

It arrived! My daughters new CPU. 10900K/sp106

This is the largest cpu box I have ever seen! ITS MASSIVE!!! Only 200 of these exist. Really great cpu+cooler combo for $275.00. 
 

I was originally going to build my daughter with the Z690 Hero+DDR5 which was donated. But the owner/gifter needed those things back, since his main system went down, so since I had a Z490 motherboard, and 64GB of fresh Samsung Bdie already. This makes perfect sense to set her up with a one of a kind 10900K.
 

2 hours ago, Clamibot said:

After some preliminary testing with Shadow Of The Tomb Raider in Windows 10 LTSC 2019 and WIndowsXLite 22H2, it looks like the CPU side performance is actually slightly higher on the 22H2 installation. I'm using the maximally tuned OOB install without Windows Defender. I can probably do a bit more tuning with it too. My LTSC install is also tuned with stupid security mitigations disabled, but it's probably not tuned as much as some of you guys have managed to do with your installs.

 

GPU side performance seems to be higher too, but I don't know by what amount as I was only testing CPU side performance. I need to get some concrete numbers, but this is looking really good so far. To be fair, the 22H2 installation is currently set up as a minimalist installation purely for game testing, so I need to install all my programs onto that Windows install and compare again as that could affect the results. It probably won't, but I need to cover all my bases.

 

If WindowsXLite 22H2 truly outperforms Windows 10 LTSC 2019, I will be happy. This will be the first time I've seen a version upgrade in Windows actually deliver a performance upgrade rather than a downgrade (other than upgrading from regular consumer editions to Windows 10 LTSC since I've seen this firsthand, and that jump in CPU side performance was significant). I'll then need to upgrade all my systems🤪

I’m running 22H2 as well. My 3175X absolutely rips on this OS. I tried 24H2/22H3/22H2. Only thing I have not tried yet is Windows 10 on this system. It’s an older system with lower IPC. So I need every advantage I can get. I think 22H3 barely performs slower than 22H2. And it always reflects in my CPU physics scores, and GPU usage. 
 

(1) Fastest bios 

(2) Fastest micro code 

(3) Fastest OS

(4) Highest possible overclocks. 
(5) Good game optimization is always welcome 😃

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Until the end of the $1 first month, or past that?

Stalker 2 is lots of fun so far. Playing on the hardest difficulty for realism and title longevity. 😃 It runs butter on a 4090, 4K@120HZ is perfect for it. Seriously surprised by that. Thank goodness for DLSS+FG. And thank goodness for a nice AAA title that incorporates those features on day 1. Some games do not lol. “Cough” “Cough” Starfield. “Cough” Cough” Ark Ascended. 

23 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Until the end of the $1 first month, or past that?

Something like that lol. Worth a try. Game pass as a TON of games though. So, it may be worth keeping it and paying the $15 per month or how much it cost. I cancelled mine and could not live without it, so I got it again a few months ago lol! So many games that are $60 dollar hits on Steam, are totally free on Xbox Game Pass.

This game Stalker 2 runs GREAT! My minimum FPS has been 99fps, running 4K maxed out, DLSS Quality+FG getting 99-117 fps cap. My RTX4090 GPU is NOT overclocked at all. Anything outside of the red arrows is minimizing the game and going back to desktop. Pretty good for a Day 1 release on a demanding title. 

8 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

 

It's on my list of games to buy when the price falls to $25 or less. Looks like a good one. The original titles in the STALKER franchise were great as well. Like a pre-runner to the more modern Metro games.

Grab a Xbox gamepass subscription for $1 dollar, then cancel it. You’ll be able to play if you have Gamepass. 

28 minutes ago, cylix said:

Guys STALKER 2 launched, superb game! Looks awesome, some bugs here and there but its fine. I am getting around 80 to 100 FPS on EPIC with dlss3, native only the 4090 struggles around 50-60 🤣

 

Already playing it 🤣 it’s the best! My Xeon 3175X+4090 is doing great. I was seeing really good performance. 

I’m thinking about getting this motherboard. Only $250.00. 1 of 999# made. Very unique! It’s an Aqua Z490 board. I really like it. 
 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, more than their forum, I think everything about HWBOT and the sport of overclocking is being slowly killed by the hardware manufacturers that don't care or understand. And, the magnitude of apathy and ignorance on the consumer side of things will be what is ultimately responsible for things turning to dung in our hands.

---

I think the new high clock DDR5 Neo (EXPO) from G.SKILL is new to market for the Zen 5 CPUs and the kit I pre-ordered at NewEgg shipped directly from the manufacturer. It was manufactured last week, LOL.

 

I love when things are shipped right from Taiwan or manufacturers. Thats how Corsair does it, and MSI US store as well. But that is extremely FRESH right there LOL. I bought a SSD from Corsair once, and it was made recently like this as well. 

7 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

I am glad you picked one up! I was a bit upset earlier this year that I missed being able to buy a binned chip from Silicon Lottery or otherwise and figured I would only find one on ebay at this point.

 

Arrow Lake should have just been a mobile only product. If efficiency was their intent they should have just refined it on a mobile platform until it can competitvely scale in a desktop. It should also not be locked down as you ought to be able to do what you want with the product you pay for.

 

Sapphire Rapids sounds like it would be fun to build and tinker with. I guess its also a tile based product but maybe a better approach at it?

Yeah great deal for a LTX 10900K, I do believe he has sold them all now, what do you run yours at daily? And what ram

speed? Another good thing about Intel 10th gen is you can overclock DDR4 practically just as good on (4) Dimm boards VS. a (2) Dimm XOC board, unlike Intel 12th/13th/14th/15th maybe once DDR5 reaches limits like DDR4 the cheap motherboards board will surpass ram OC as a whole like DDR4 did. As for Sapphire rapids not all are multi-tile CPU like that, but only the 3400/3500 series Xeons with Octa channel. The 2400/2500 chips are single die. Most people who want a “Do it all” go for the Xeon w2595X because it’s just one big 26/52 core die. The Xeon w3595X would fold it of course lol but since it’s a 60/120 cores glued together, it has much bigger latency hit. 
 

@Mr. Fox Yep! Reddit/discord is where all the unique and rare or cool stuff for sale are at. My Dominus/3175X was on discord, these LTX 10900K chips were on Reddit. Slews of good stuff on there. Unfortunately I do think HWbot FS forum is on life support at this point 🙁

21 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

That's pretty sweet. You have that TEC included. Just the CPU of that bin quality is worth what you paid for everything. Hard to believe the same Intel that made that made Core Ultra wuss-boy CPUs. Oh wait... it's not the same Intel. They've lost their way and got distracted by stupid stuff... like focusing on being more "efficient" ...yeah, efficient... that's the ticket.

 

Maybe they'll have a come to Jesus aha moment and get back on track on the next go-round. None of the people that buy their overclocking enthusiast stuff care about efficient. Come to think of it, neither do most of the gamerboyz. 

It is a really good bin! The guy was selling them for $175 Gold LTX 10900K chip only SP losers (Not really losers, be below SP100 most likely). (He ran out of those) but yeah I’m pretty much done messing with the new Intel stuff, unless they release something new/different. Maybe Z990 or Z890 refresh will be interesting. It’s not that the 285K is bad, it’s just that I could predict what the experience would be like before even owning it. I closed my eyes and perceived exactly what owning a 285K would be like. And I thought… “Okay that’s pretty boring” annyways, Until then I’m playing with older fancy Skylake stuff 🤣lol.

9 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

When I had my Z590 boards and X170SM/X170KM, binning 10900k's was a pure joy including the LTX sample I had. Best easily was still that Silicon Lottery used chip I picked up off of eBay. That thing was a cool running monster in the laptops and did 5.4 on the desktop rock solid with an AIO.

 

 

Asrock continues to grow and impress....

 

 

Agreed. They seem to be leaving the sad days of the Taichi Z3XX days behind. They were atrocious. All my recent dealing with their motherboards and video cards are have been solid. I'm still tempted to pick up an Asrock 7900XTX Taichi.

 

9950x looking good! What's the ETA on the delid?

It’s gonna be fun! I got an LTX Gold Sample SP106 10900K. I actually ended up buying from same guy that @win32asmguy got his from on Reddit lol. Was gonna use another guy that a friend knew,  but his did not have the box or sub-zero AIO cooler, and it was more expensive, and a lower SP101. This is a build for one of my kids. Going to run it with a budget GPU. I have some newly made matched kit of 4x16GB Gskill Ares Bdie 3200cl14-14-14-34 kit to throw in it which will be perfect. I thought about going with a (2) Dimm motherboard. But I figured 2x16GB may not be enough for much longer now. 
 

This SP106 Golden 10900K was only $275.00 dollars shipped all-in, and it includes the fancy presentation Intel box, and the Coolermaster subzero ML360 360MM AIO. So it’s really cheaper than going with some random retail 10900K on eBay, which I was really surprised by. 
 

1 hour ago, win32asmguy said:

 

SP106

8x 0.829v

25x 0.829v

35x 0.944v

43x 1.049v

48x 1.139v

51x 1.254v

52x 1.334v

53x 1.349v

 

It is already better than the previous one I was using by a good margin. Probably needs a delid and testing undervolt.

Thats really awesome! So long story short, friend of mine found a few of these for-sale  from a guy he knows, and this guy has these below, my friend was trying to work out the deets for us to each get one. I was leaning toward one of the SP101 chips.

SP89

SP92

SP99

SP101

SP101

SP105

SP106

SP107

SP116.

Oddly enough the SP89 was actually the best VFcurve wise and cache OC prediction in the whole pack 🤷‍♂️. 
 

I can only imagine how good one of these is. Below is a SP84 or SP85 (10850K) that I sold to @Mr. Fox a while back and that chip was A pure BEAST for being just a 10850K lol. So I’m dying to test an SP100+ LTX Golden sample 10900K. 😎

@win32asmguy

Hey what 10900K LTX Gold Sample bin did you end up with? SP rating? How are the VID’s? I have a buddy trying to get us both some as well. Fingers crossed. 😊

13 hours ago, ssj92 said:

Looks like I got the CPU for $1,195 plus tax, not bad considering a 285K is like $600. 

 

If you got 34xx/35xx CPU definetely get the sage motherboard. I've never seen so many BIOS options ever in any other board. Also you get octa-channel. 

 

If you get the 24xx/25xx CPU then get a ASRock board for like $600. The Sage is $999, I got it for 949, but it was on sale for 899 recently. 

 

24xx/25xx has 64 lanes, 34xx/35xx has 112 lanes. I think it's worth going 34xx/35xx because every pcie slot is 5.0 x16 (except one @ x8 only because you get two M.2 PCIe 5.0 x4 slots). 

 

I don't think the wife would let me have a chiller in the living room LOL. But I do want to do a custom loop. 

 

I've only done a custom loop once, but I'm assuming having 4x 480mm radiators would still be beneficial over 2 x480mm radiators? Or does it reach a diminishing returns?

You can start with just a single HWlabs GTX or GTR rad. I tested out a HWLabs 280MM GTX once that someone sent to me, and was absolutely blown away at how effective they are. Just one of these 240-280mm HWlab radiators does what two or three common brand (360mm) rads can do. 
 

The GTR is more optimized for louder higher RPM fans, so it will scale and cool slightly better if using some high RPM 2K+ fans. Whereas the GTX model is practically just as good, but better suited to 800-1800rpm fans, and going with faster RPM will not scale cooling ability anymore. All about what you need noise wise I think.
 

But since you have the new Corsair 9000 case, definitely (2-4) Hwlab 360’s or 420’s or 480’s would be pure insane case cooling which is what you’d want for such a system like this. Just know that a single HWlab 240-280mm can already effectively cool a overclocked 10900K+ overclocked 3090 Kingpin just as good as (3) 360mm EKWB SE classic rads. If one is not using some behemoth external radiator, or a big loud chiller, these radiators are really the only thing I would use if building inside of a case for absolute maximum cooling performance. 
 

If you are trying to save some money on loop cost, then really just one of these Hwlab 480 rads would do the trick, and you can add more later or never lol. 

1 hour ago, ssj92 said:

I figured since we're having our first baby in February now is the time for me to build my beast before it's too late lol. 

 

  

 

I bought a Intel Optane P5800X 400GB SSD (U.2 form factor). It has the Dell EMC branding. Got it from eBay, it was brand new. Cost me $450 which is expensive but I'm using it as a boot drive. Thinking of going ASUS Hyper M.2 4x card for 4x NVMe drives RAID0 or RAID0+1 for my secondary drive. Right now I have SK Hynix 2TB P41 and a 16TB HDD + 10TB HDD (WD Red/WD Gold).

 

My motherboard has SlimSAS ports so I bought a SlimSAS to U.2 cable. It shows up in bios/windows as any ordinary NVMe drive. You can even get a M.2 to U.2 adapter as well. The P5800X is a PCIe 4.0 x4 drive, it's the last/fastest Optane drive made as far as I am aware. I only install OS/Apps on the Optane drive. Everything else will go to the other SSD. 

 

There's also the P1600X which is essentially the same thing running at PCIe 3.0 x4 instead. It also has the latest Optane memory as well. 

  

 

Did you get the EVGA SR-3 motherboard? I was debating on going that + W-3175X early in the year but figured I'd wait and glad I did. I'm keeping my SR-2 build, the MB is awesome. 

 

Yes Sage is Octa-core. I went with Corsair WS DDR5 ECC RDIMM 128GB (8 x 16GB) DDR5 DRAM 5600MT/s CL40 Memory Kit. I'm running the XMP profile @ 5600Mhz for now which seems to be perfectly stable. Haven't really tried going higher than that yet. With 8-channels the bandwidth is already insane. 

 

Stock clocks I get around 58C max temps in CB R23 and around 43K score. The 55K score was at all core 4.1Ghz or 4.0Ghz (forgot which one). 

 

At 4.0/4.1Ghz I am hitting 82C temps so I'm already reaching the Noctua NH-U14S DX-4677 limit. I'm seeing 548W peak cpu power. This is all on stock voltage with no increases yet. I can probably daily this easily (especially since right now I only have 1 case fan lol). 

 

Case is Corsair 9000D and I plan to buy like 16 Noctua fans later to give it some airflow. Also might go water cooling with 2x480mm radiators at least. 

 

PSU is Corsair HX1500i. 

 

I got the CPU for less than half of its MSRP. That's kind of how it all started. It was used but it works fine. 

 

I had a license of Windows Server 2025 Datacenter so I thought, why not? LOL I'm surprised how similar they made it to the LTSC style builds. Audio was already active, didn't need to do too many registry edits. No MS Store either. 

Yeah that’s a very strong system, I’m going to build a W790 or W890 next. These systems are really so much more fun than mainstream platforms. Makes you feel like you actually have something, or that’s the feeling I have anyways lol. HEDT is really just wicked. I did not get the EVGA SR3, I have a Dominus. It has been one of the easiest platforms to tune with world class stability though. The SR3 is nice and I love those, but a little limited with only (6) ram slots. So I was considering ram capacity and longevity etc. Apparently the Dominus Extreme and 3175X can actually support a lot more ram than their specs have them listed for. 
 

Your CPU was a good choice though, and that’s a good price. I think finding a good deal is what it’s all about, some people are asking too much for these chips even the used ones. I’m going to be looking for something similar to what you have though. Not quite sure if I want to go Quad channel or Octa channel like yours. 
 

keep us posted on some Aida 64 runs, and or any ram overclocking if you go that route. Nice temps as well! 
 

I really can’t imagine your CPU on a chiller!!! 😍😍😍 That would be a sight to see! I’d bet 4.8Ghz possibly 4.9Ghz can be done for sure. Massive silicon! With a massive P-core only CPU’s. Definitely go custom loop. You can probably do a nice easy 4.5Ghz-4.6. 

19 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

This full warranty is called “Top Ten Repair Services” by MSI in China, and this movement will begin in the Asian country and, apparently, will extend to the rest of the world after evaluating its operation and customer satisfaction.

 

MSI creates “full warranty” for its motherboards: free repair for bent pins, wear and tear and various damages with home pick-up and delivery

In the world of cars, there are brands that wash their hands of the matter in a bad way, and others that respond to practically everything. Toyota, Mazda or Honda are examples of the fact that the customer is always right and must be satisfied, so...

 

 

MSI is one of the best! Good quality, reasonable prices. Good products. I always thought the Suprim X products were better than ROG stuff. I have this MSI 1KW baby PSU, it is pounded by a 4090 and a overclocked 28 core Xeon and (5) pumps. The thing gets really warm being that it’s always under a 400+ watt to over 1,000+ watts of load. And it holds up great without any weird noises. 🤣I am planning to add another though. My current CPU overclock is limited by the one PSU. So I’m gonna add another right beside this one. 

40 minutes ago, ssj92 said:

Ah what a roller-coaster it's been. 

 

Bought Z790 + 14900K to replace 10980XE + X299

 

Returned 14900K and bought 12700K as stop-gap for Z890. 

 

Bought Core Ultra 9 285K on release with no MB.  

 

Returned the Core Ultra 9 285K, sold Z790+12700K system. 

 

Bought Xeon W7-3465X + W790 ASUS SAGE MB and the money has been draininngggggggggg

 

But so happy I'm back in HEDT land...lol 

 

Just a teaser, I'm probably gonna need liquid cooling instead of my Noctua cooler. 

 

 

  

 

This is exactly what I am experiencing. Especially with the Optane P5800X drive. Everything feels so smooth. 

Absolutely WICKED!! Yeah I’m loving my Xeon 3175X and my ram capacity has been pure reliability with 192gigs. Which DDR5 did you go with? How high could you clock the 3465X daily? And just so everyone knows, this monstrously strong 3465X is the prior gen model 🤯so I’m absolutely impressed. Although, I think they are pretty similar honestly. This makes me want to go ahead and buy a W790 motherboard though. 😁

Also, that Sage is Octa channel right? 

20 hours ago, win32asmguy said:

 

That is good to know!. I ended up getting a ML360 with the LTX Golden Sample 10900k I bought a couple of weeks ago.

Where did you find one of these? I’d love to have one.