tps3443

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

From your past adventures, I'm surprised you didn't go for a 1600w or close PSU. 1000w seems kinda conservative for you.

 

First you get an R batch 14900k and don't even delid it

Second you back away from top end and go 4080 Super

Lastly, you opt for only a 1000w PSU stepping down from 1300w

 

You feeling ok @tps3443???? 🤣

 

Yep lol. I probably should have just bought a 4090. I already have funds tied up in the (2) 4080 Supers for the moment. Newegg has yet to refund me on the other one. But I’m very happy with this 4080 Super Suprim X. I honestly didn’t think I’d like an air cooled GPU this much. Another shocker here, I have actually considered leaving it on air cooling! 😁
 

As for delidding this 14900KF, it really doesn’t need it. Delid would definitely drop temps -15C and drop more voltage off. But the daily reliability would go way down on it. Solder is such a great long term TIM no maintenance needed, and it’s already a beast. If a chip can perform good without a delid I always recommend that option.
 

As for the power supply, I think this 1000 watt unit is probably just a stepping stone. I really want to see if my computer can run coil whine free lol. I have my doubts 😂. We’ll see tomorrow.

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I'm surprised you are running all of the pumps and external things off the system PSU. On both of my larger desktops the radiator fans and pumps run off of an inexpensive PSU with a jumper on the 24-pin motherboard cable. They do not connect to the system PSU at all. For one thing they are too far away from the computer. I'd need too many long SATA and Molex extensions. Plus it would seem kind of messy having the extensions strung across several feet.

All 5 of my pumps are mounted right to my test bench, so they all plug right in to the power supply that powers the system. No long cables or extensions. I only have 1 fan that I use to flow some air on the back of my GPU since using air cooled graphics cards lately. Other than that the wires are pretty tidy. I think these pumps only use 25-37 watts each, so maybe 125-185 extra watts on the system. I think it’s closer to 125 watt though.
 

I should be okay inside of 1,000 watts I think. I just want to alleviate this electrical interference noise. 

I bought a new power supply. Let’s see if MSI can keep this good quality streak up with their products! I ordered a MSI 1000 watt power supply. That is going to be a tight squeeze with my system and all of these pumps and accessories. But if it’s a quality unit it should handle my computers needs with no problems and no screaming sounds. I’m excited to get rid of the coil whine. 😃

Okay, benchmark time. I have been enjoying this GPU plenty in games. Now the rubber meets the road! Not bad for air cooling. I am really curious what chilled water would do for this GPU. 


https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/107951133?loginkey=ZVhkhV4PxsU0X3fL9j34GA

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER video card benchmark result - Intel Core i9 processor 14900KF,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. ROG MAXIMUS Z790 APEX (3dmark.com)

7 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

In the old days they focused on overclocking.... Nowadays they focus on fancy RGB and the design. Look on the GPU packages for new modern cards. Oc'ing is almost not mentioned.  

 

I really love the design on the older flagship cards from Evga, Msi and Galax. Asus is boring.

I have been thinking about doing a Retro build. Using older parts but high end parts. I think it would be awesome. 
 

One GPU I have always liked is the MSI GTX 780 lightning. 

@Papusan Linus did a unboxing of your latest acquisition. 😁 

Well, time for a new PSU. I think I’ll give MSI Meg unit a try 🤷‍♂️. I’m just ready to alleviate my self from all the coil whine I have been dealing with for years now on my EVGA units. 
 

I’m open to other suggestions though. 
 

Looking at this MSI 1000/1300 watt MEG Platinum rated units. It is $251 to $309. Looks like I will be able to skip the adapter too for my GPU and use the included native PCI-e Gen5 cable.

I’m definitely open to other options though. I just want a high quality and quiet power supply. 

https://us-store.msi.com/PC-Components/Power-Supply/Gaming-Power-Supplies/MEG-Ai1000P-PCIE5?sort=p.price&order=DESC

26 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

 

I haven't gone deep into the performance impact evaluation, but I have this installed on my disposable Windows 11 crash dummy OS and trying to keep an open mind. But, I am trying to identify something about it that I like and so far I find more things about it annoying than useful. I am not sure I am going to make it long enough to even bother with the performance impact evaluation stage. I played several games today after installing it, and there were several things that I found obnoxious and unwelcomed. It has some features that remind me of some of the things I despised about AMD's driver control panel.

 

How do you (or can you) get the overlay to show more than a smidgen of useful info? I see nothing available for CPU that is meaningful and nothing for system memory, just a few basic GPU-related stats and CPU utilization. I don't understand why the overlay shows on the desktop unless you disable it. That is super annoying. It there a way to shut off the stupid feature toast notifications when launching a game, like how to enable Ansel and reminders for key combos like pressing Alt+Z? Intel has idiotic stuff like that in their Arc drivers, but it is very easy to find them and kill them. 

 

As it stands right now, I am praying this crappy app does not become a total replacement for NVIDIA Control Panel. They could/should make it optional for the people that like it, but if I have to use this to do what I use NVIDIA Control Panel for now, I am not going to be very happy about that.

Just use Alt+R to quickly turn the Nvidia OSD on or off in game or on the desktop.
I primarily use it in games for the 99% low feature. It helps me to check memory overclocks to make sure I’m not losing performance with too tight of ram timings etc. And it won’t cause a hit to your GPU usage like MSI Afterburner or HWinfo can. It’s nothing super fancy, but it works. 

I’m becoming an MSI fanboy, it’s terrible because it can cloud your judgement! But everything I have owned MSI is amazing. My prior MSI Unify-X Z690, and this MSI Suprim 4080 is just ridiculously good. I can’t explain why it’s so great but this might just be one of the best out of box video cards I have owned in an long while, and that’s even with the 20% premium over the Founders Edition. 🤷‍♂️

I hope MSI gets back in to the (2) Dimm motherboard game again. Being that we have 2x24GB and 2x48GB, I see no reason for (4) Dimm motherboards unless it’s a Godlike which I think is catered to workstation users? Anyways, I’d probably trade my Apex right on in for something like a Unify-X Z790
 

CAUTION: Mean MSI dragon below. 
 

I can say I definitely trust modern OLED pretty good now. When I first bought this refurbished Aorus 48” OLED monitor it had exactly 38 hours on it. But I am about to cross the 1,000 hour threshold. I always let it run the panel protection features every 4 hours of constant on time. (This alerts you automatically, but some people ignore it) my windows also turns off my monitor after 5 minutes of idle usage. Never had a single problem with burn-in. This monitor is as gorgeous as ever. Just figured I’d share if anyone is considering grabbing an OLED. I plan to push this panel to 10K hours and beyond. 😃

The last picture is an example of how the blacks are. It looks like an actual BLACK. It really is cool. 

17 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Here's an another snacks you'll see when it arrives Papusan's plaza. This is the pict of asic from the coming new "old" trash boat. Maybe You guess the brand without looking for the first letter?😀 The first letter start with... Z

 

+80% is always a good sign🙂

 

Bruno is one of the very few that let you have access to firmware that the elite/choosen one prefer have for themself. 

 

 

Thank you very much my friend 🙂 I always try save old XOC/good firmware. You never know when you'll need it. And I know you think the same way. So we have similar mindset. Almost like twins.

I had a RX480 from launch day years ago when they first came out, and it has a 99% ASIC quality. I thought it was really cool. It overclocked pretty good too. I actually got a virus on my windows during that time period, (I don’t know how) and someone was using my RX480 as a remote miner. 🤣 sitting on the desktop at 100% GPU usage at all times. It was the craziest thing. I don’t know how this even happen. But I just reinstalled windows and all was well.

@Mr. Fox I decided to dial in my AC/DC as well. Because I am using complete auto voltage lately. And it seems that my power usage is not affected at all running manually tuned ac dc settings.
 

I’m running 5.9P/4.8E/5.0R LLC4, AC is 0.16, DC is 1.05. My max power consumption has not really changed it has actually gone down a bit. I’m wondering if this is only happening on your Encore or specific bios. 🤷‍♂️
 

Anyways, just figured I‘d share my experience with this. 

Also, another note on LLC. I have discovered that LLC4 really is pure amazing. Apparently it has the best voltage response hands down of any of LLC setting. And you can use just auto voltage entirely which will guarantee a perfectly stable chip under light loads, or heavy loads.
 

How I followed the AC/DC tuning. 
 

Set LLC4, enter DC of 0.98, enter AC of 0.20.

Go run R23 or another similar bench and and check if load Vcore matches load VID. Usually the load VID’s are higher while load Vcore is lower. So in this case with higher load VID’s you want to increase your DC of 0.98 by +0.02 and keep testing until your VID match the Vcore under load. Once you’ve tuned the DC we move on to your AC. The AC acts like a undervolt more or less without having to physically type in or dial in a manual voltage. I started with 0.20 on AC and reduced it by -0.01 and keep running R23 or similar stress test, the power usage drops each time you reduce by -0.01.. You want to keep dropping by -0.01 until it crashes and will not run anymore. You may end up with 0.15 or 0.18 the number doesn’t really matter it’s different for everyone’s setup/cpu etc. If it does crash increase AC back by +0.01 

Once you have found the perfect AC setting, you may have to go back and dial the DC a little more to get that load Vcore to match the load VID’s. If the VID’s are lower than your load Vcore, then you need to reduce the DC number. If your load VID’s are higher than your load VCore, then you want to increase the DC number. 
 

You may have already done this. Anyways, this method is awesome! And once dialed you can run an auto voltage which is what our CPU’s really want anyways. 
 

2 minutes ago, Talon said:

@Mr. Fox I just checked the tracking #. USPS is failing us again, WTF. Last update still showing Chicago with a supposed delivery date of today. I'm not saying it won't magically update soon since you're 1 hour behind me, but ugh. Somehow whenever I send you stuff, it shows up late. Only you lol. 

I’m dealing with this on a return to Newegg. That 4080 Super Expert is held up by usps, and at this rate my RMA number actually expires tomorrow. I’m worrying over this. I hope Newegg is reasonable, and can see the item actually moving towards them. 
 

You ever have this happen? 

15 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

The app is eating up 0% of CPU usage in the background. I get for benchmarking, but for using the card for it's intended purpose, the app is pretty great so far. It's fast, smooth transitions and no more login which is HUGE. Login is optional. 

 

We can record at 4K 120hz at 250mbps with the new app! This is unreal! 

I let GeForce Experience install too, I use to not use it, but there is no difference with it running or not with performance. And I guess you mean, when we login we don’t have to verify via email anymore? I hated that.. But I Iove the features of GeForce experience. I use the monitoring features, and gameplay recording as well. It only eats about 4% of your frame rate to record your entire game with a OSD displayed which is helpful. 

 

@Mr. Fox

I just forced 1.100V via MSI afterburner and it’s not artifacting anymore. 😁 

25 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Depending on what you want/like, that kind of sucks. I hate GFE and use NVCleanstall to eliminate it entirely. I don't want that bloatware garbage. I know some people love it, but that will be a huge disappointment to me to have to have the extra garbage installed.

It's because your voltage is too low. If your 4080S is like my Gigabyte 4090 the stock vBIOS is the new "low voltage" turd. You need to flash an older vBIOS that is 1.100V max instead of 1.050V max.

OMG, I am pretty sure I am going to absolutely despise that. I hope NVCleanstall can help those that do not want it avoid it. I truly loathe the extra trash that NVIDIA and AMD bundle in their drivers and use third-party utilities (Slimmer tool for AMD and NVCleanstall for NVIDIA) to take out their trash.

Ohhh okay, that makes sense why it is on the core only and goes away with cooler temps then. It does show 1.100V or 1.095V on MSI afterburner though. 

Anyone experience artifacting with RTX4000 series when overclocking the core only in games?  
 

It’s kinda of odd. The artifacts will kick in around 58-59C temp range with an auto fan profile only, they only occur above 3,000Mhz+ on the GPU only. 
 

If I run a slightly more aggressive fan speed with temps that never exceed 55c they never occur. This makes me think the GPU is super temp sensitive above 3,000Mhz. But this GPU responds very well to overclocks and cooler temps. 
 

Anyone else notice these artifacts with their GPU when pushing the core too high? 
 

2 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Good. Glad to hear it. I wish they had not included that option for 4090. It's stupid. Had they not included it, HWBOT would not have been able to make it mandatory for 3DMark submissions for 4090 owners. It impairs performance having it enabled.

I’m really liking this Suprim it’s a fantastic product. I did not realize you had a Suprim 4090. What kind of core overclocks were you able to set for daily usage on yours? 

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

@tps3443does the 4080S have ECC in NVCP?

I don’t see those option in NVCP. 

14 minutes ago, Tenoroon said:

A bit off topic, but I would like to share for others who might not know (unless I'm a one off scenario which would suck) but I purchased an MSI 274QPX monitor just now directly from MSI's website and noticed I wasn't taxed. If I knew this earlier, I would've tried buying a GPU from their website as even a non MSRP 4070S would have probably been cheaper than what I paid for mine if there wasn't any kind of sales tax! I don't know how this is possible, but it definitely made me and my wallet happy lol.

They certainly charged me taxes on my 4080S Suprim x. Like $84 dollars 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, 4080S is an excellent GPU. It's not a 4090, nor is it a 7900XTX or 4070 Ti. If it were then nobody would have any reason whatsoever to buy a 4090.

 

It's also very consistent. Ran this heavy ray tracing benchmark on Apex and Apex Encore with stock GPU and results are the same within a margin of error. I did not bother checking to see if they are using the same driver. (And, no, I don't care, LOL.) The point is, you can count on consistent performance.

 

MSI 4090

Gigabyte 4090

Can you disable ECC on a 4080? How does that work? 

2 minutes ago, ryan said:

as you know I was a hair trigger away from getting a desktop, but I just dont need it(not quite yet). Im holding off till its time to upgrade(when games don't run above 30fps). I just looked up average 4090 scores (30k) and talons score of 30999. the average 4090 is similar to a overclocked 4080 super, so that explains the crazy results. 150fps is bonkers. I would be happy with low 4k 120. the game is suprisingly demanding at high settings. most people still game at 1080p and the fact the option to game at 4k with similar performance is just awesome. something for everyone.

Waiting to upgrade is a great choice. As far as performance goes, the GPU was not overclocked in the video. But even if it is, I still cannot match a 4090. But it’s certainly fast enough for my needs either way. 
 

2 minutes ago, ryan said:

no combo gets even close to 150fps and even with upscaled 1440p I cant touch it

 

lowest 4k vs highest 4k

 

I think its still playable at 45fps but its not going to be as immersive as your 4080 super or the other 4090s. your 4080 super must be pretty close to a 4090??

45FPS is definitely playable. I’d run what you’ve got. Especially since it’s already getting the job done. 

My system as a whole definitely performs very well in 4K. But I cannot match a 4090 lol. The 4090 is a 4090. There’s only one way to get that much speed. 😃

I guess the better answer would be, this GPU is so fast I haven’t even thought about a 4090.

7 minutes ago, ryan said:

45c?

 

do you have an air conditioner blowing on it? seems like water cooled results. something seems off

 

I get 25fps at 4k high, 150 fps over what the majority of people have is a nice treat, enjoy your new toy. No laptop can touch that level of performance and when you upgrade to a 5k series you should be able to get a fair amount back. but for the time being I guess your pretty lucky as 120fps locked at 4k feels amazing. I can do that on pre 2013 games and its great, I can't imagine a recent title like god of war running at 150 4k high. also if you havent dipped into it, it really is a great game I dabbled a little in it and it has a great story and overall fairly easy to get into.

It’s hard to believe I know. They are unbelievable temps for an air cooled GPU. 
 

I made a video of it though. It actually settles down to 44c with 100% fan at 4K towards the end. 
 

4K was 44-45C

1440P 42-43C

1080P 41-42C

I start out with just auto/silent fan, and then test with 100% fan speed.
 

3 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Looks like a good sample. That is +1300 on the VRAM? That seems pretty spot on average for VRAM OC on 4080 Supers. Seems they begin to really run out of memory OC ability around there. Still a great memory OC. Still blows my mind that I'm able to overclock my 4070 Super 21gbps memory all the way to 26.4gbps max. I wish I had that memory on my 4090. Honestly if I had 2 4070 Super cards with good memory I would consider getting the vram chips removed and put on my 4090. Create my own 4090 Super lol. 

It runs just strangely cool for an air cooled GPU. 
 

But yes the GPU seems really amazing! The memory seems very similar to my prior 4080 Super and like most others I think. 

+1350 memory is stable so far. 
 

The core is really the most amazing so far though. 
 

43 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Awesome. Glad to hear you got a solid sample.

 

I am not sure what is going on with your text. Did you copy and paste from somewhere else? The color of the font is almost the same as the background and I have to highlight the text to read it. This happens with things @Papusanposts often as well. I have to change to the ugly white eyeball-searing default unisex theme to read the text or highlight it with my mouse.

In the post quoted above I cut the text from the post and pasted it again as plain text. Screenshot below shows what I see with the original formatting using the forum Dark Bravo 6 theme.

 

 

 

I think it’s a good sample or just maybe the amazing air cooling it has lol. But I overclocked the GPU to 3,000Mhz core with no effort at all, ran 25,600 GDDR6X and the temps and power usage are practically the same as stock. 
 

It does feel like there’s some sort of artificial wall going past 3,000Mhz though unless that’s just the temp limit knocking it back down.
 

1 hour ago, ryan said:

Congrats on your new toy. I wonder what the uplift in crysis remastered will be, and starfield should run at a locked 60fps at 4k. You should be able to do 8k/60 in forza horizon 5, which i'd like to say is one of the best looking games out.

The 4080 Super is mind blowing fast. Especially for how efficient it is. If you opt for 1080P with “High” settings this is a 300FPS GPU. If you run 4K with “High” settings it will provide 150+ FPS. Now, notice I said high settings. Some games have the Ultra or Extreme graphics settings which will reduce that substantially. It is extremely fast though. I really like it. 

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

Congrats bro @tps3443 Looking good.  Hope you'll be happy with the new card. Looking forwards to your findings 🙂

Another amazing MSI product! 

14 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

admit it, u only bought it for the mousepad!

 

 

yes please, bench those mousepads! 😄 

 

 

indeed the Suprim X coolers are quite capable. iirc they use the same cooler on both the 4090 and 4080 suprim skus 🙂 so u basically got a 600+ W TDP gpu cooler on a 300W gpu 😄 

The mouse pad was a big selling point even though it seems small or silly to most. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been in Walmart and almost bought a new Gaming mouse pad. But I put it back on the shelf simply because I didn’t want to waste the $30 dollars on it. So MSI forced one on me. 
 

As for the GPU, it’s easily the nicest air cooled GPU I have ever owned. It’s perfectly silent. No coil whine, no fan noise, and it barely warms up. This is what I wanted from the start. The cooler is overbuilt and very effective.