On 7/26/2025 at 3:41 PM, cylix said:

First try, its a beast. 😆Cooling it with  Alphacool Eisblock XPX Pro 1U in a 2U rack chassis, its loud as hell but it will be part of my homelab rack in the basement. Probably will move it in a 4U chassis like the Alphacool ES 4U ServerRack where i can use bigger fans and will be quieter :). Doing around 130 W on win idle, need to check in Zorin OS linux aswell. But didn exceed 65 celsius in cinebench.  Paired with only 64gb 5600mhz  DDR ECC Ram.. will buy some more but ECC ram is expensive as hell right now.

 

 

 

Need more cores? 🙂

 

duuuude 😄 but WAIT, no 9995WX? peasant! 🤣

what are ur plans for this beastly setup? post some pics of the hardware and internals 🙂 

bro @Papusan, heres ur chance to upgrade from your peasant Astral LC 😄 

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/usd5-500-rtx-5090d-with-dual-16-pin-power-connectors-and-2000w-tdp-lands-on-ebay-galaxs-hof-oc-lab-xoc-5090d-formerly-exclusive-to-china-hits-resale-market

soooo ive been playing me some doom eternal, finally got around to installing it and get some demon shooting done here and there. maxed out settings at 4K incl RT im averaging around 250-300FPS 😄 bUTTERY SMOOTH, very nice.

fun fact: had to adjust my core OC from +265 down to +250, otherwise the game would crash to desktop with clocks reset to default. now at +250 it seems stable 🙂 

On 7/7/2025 at 10:53 PM, Papusan said:

 

Do they need that when they will offer Microsoft Copilot+ certification for desktops?😅

 

Thus meeting the minimum requirement of 40 TOPS to have the PC Copilot + certification. This will be an advantage, at the marketing level, compared to AMD solutions. 

 

Maybe it's time for Fox to leave AMD now and start enjoy Copilot+? Yup, Fox is not a gamer, so maybe Copilot+ will become his new hobby.

LOL id love to see what bro fox would to with copilot 😄 i could imagine lots of fun things hahaha

12 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I saw over on the OC forums that dude who binned 16 6000's and is looking to take it to the extreme from platform selection to either a modified or custom fab blocked. That will be fun to see unfold.

oh damn, sounds like that dude is going above and beyond....havent had time to catch up on the latest over at OC.net, maybe i should start lurking again 😛 

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

You know, I think Nvidia put a hit out on poor ole KEFI, he hasn’t been seen since breaking in to NVflasher and allowing all 4090FE’s to be flashed for 1.100v 🤣 So either he’s locked in a room with a bag on his head, or he’s buried somewhere. 

 

Also, he killed that poor 4090 with 1,500 watts 🤣. I think the 5090 might be just a little stronger to such high power though, I’ve looped mine in stability test at 900w with no issues at all.
 

Also, I ordered a wall meter, so I’ll be able to test the power consumption TODAY. But I feel pretty confident my power draw results are close. But we’ll see today. It’s throwing “pwr limit” at 570 watts which is about 1,140 watts inside of Furmark 4K at 3,255Mhz. If that’s actually 1400 watts that is terrifying because it means my PSU might just have a very short life. 

ooor they just hired him 😛 😄 

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Interesting... wonder how many people took Jay's advice? I bet a lot of people did. Misinformation is pretty common. Tom's Hardware published it, too. 

 

welp...as usual the devil is in the details. since jay was only applying it to 3DMark, yeah sure, itll give u better scores on intel systems as he stated. but lots of people will over-generalize this and apply it for everything. then big surprise, some apps n games will actually give u lower perf with it enabled 😄 

thats the big prob nowadays, everything is just painted in black n white, while most of the time the reality is in gazillion shades of grey...#itdepends 😛 

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well that's surprising. Get some. I have 5 of them. Be sure to get one with a backlight that stays turned on all the time. The Kill-A-Watt brand sucks because it has no backlight. There are some with a backlight that only turns on temporarily when you press a button. Those suck for the same reason.

 

If you want to get really fancy you can program the cost per kW/h to project the cost of operation, but I don't waste my time with nonsense like that.

 

These are my favorite. Big letters and very clean and legible  from across the room, with a backlight that never turns off. It also has an internal battery and remembers what you set it to. No need to reapply all of your settings any time the power goes out or you move it to a new outlet.

 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09BQNYMMM?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_1&th=1

 

 

ha, got the exact same model 😄 

so boiz, anyone notice this 1200W vBios on TPU? its from a GB Xtreme Waterforce and states the following:

"Requires DBG#2 GND (BMG)"

Anyone tried this yet or know of someone who has? 

Link: https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/276683/276683

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Yep, Basic/advanced/pro are all solid black thermal pads. Never seen it before with thermal pads.

hmmm interesting, will have to look into these 🙂 yeah Roman gave up on providing any kind of W/mK data for his cooling products, i.e. pastes, liquid metal, thermal pads, etc. since these are so highly variable and dependent on testing setup.

10 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, that has pretty much been the non-scalper price since launch day. Everything is overpriced, but anecotally it seems the Elite is slightly better than the Gaming OC. The whole PC enthusiast space is in a sadder state than I have ever seen it. Things have been circling the drain for a long time. Things started to get crappy with the crypto-craze and have never gotten better. It has never been so difficult to find satisfaction with the products available for purchase across all brands.

I am having my first and only acceptable experience with AMD products right now. While I have to admit that it is not thrilling, it's nice to not be enraged by the magnitude of the unacceptableness I found in prior generation Ryzen and Radeon products. They have come a very long way, but overall still prefer Intel and NVIDIA when all things are as they should be. The problem now is that nothing is as it should be. AMD is still rough around the edges and it still seems like their target market is cost-conscious gamerboys and not overclocking enthusiasts.

 

Setting aside preferences and product superiority, I feel like I am done getting screwed with overpriced NVIDIA crap and I'm probably not going back to Intel until they ditch the smartphone core filth. It feels like everything is crappy and compromised now, so shopping based on price is probably the only intelligent approach to take at this point. I don't think I would be particularly happy with anything available for purchase right now. The best  things we can buy now are grossly overpriced and lackluster, representing the poorest value and shoddiest  engineering and QC that we have ever seen that I can remember. Overpaying to get something awesome is not ideal, but I resigned myself to that reality. You didn't feel like you were getting screwed as hard as we are now and getting something that was actually pretty awesome helped in terms of dealing with the undesirable pricing. But things have gotton worse. Overpaying to get mediocre crap (the current state) is unacceptable. It is sobering to think that the bad new days we are living in right now might later be viewed as the good old days. Just thinking about it that way is a bit gut-wrenching.

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On a cheerier note, the bare die temps on the 9950X are still pretty amazing. Look at what nice load temps, even with my hot ambient. This was the peak during two back-to-back passes of CBR23.

 

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@jaybee83 I found my old screenshots from the Gene. Here they are next to the other screenshots. 

Interesting to see the variance between motherboards on the two SP118 CPUs. This doesn't inspire much confidence in SP ratings for Ryzen. Neither does what I have heard about the SP rating being reported higher if the BIOS is flashed with the CPU is warmer. I'm not sure whether putting as much stock in it as Intel makes good sense on AMD. Seems a little sketchy and unreliable to me.

 

 

thx bud, appreciate the screenshots 🙂 yeah just seeing how super tight the SP ratings are between CPUs but at the same time u seeing such big differences in overclocking ability just goes to show that the conclusions are not that significant at the end of the day.

greetz from italy to everyone btw, enjoying a vacay with my two ladies 🙂 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Happy at least it can be shunted so we can see what it can do shunted and blocked. Hopefully Nvidia doesn't figure a way to shut that down on their FE's next go around when they'll only be $2499.99 🤑

 

I'm so torn between wanting to see FE cards remain sealed and aesthetically pleasing and torn down and blocked. 🤣

function over form my friend, function over form 😛 

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I will.

 

You know you can just press F12 in the BIOS to take a screenshot and save it to USB rather than using a camera.

 

This Strix has the same features as the Apex. That BIOS Q-screen thing with the mobo map. Also has eCLK (asynchronous BCLK) like the Apex and AORUS Master.

LOL i had no idea, now i feel like a moron 😄 thanks for the tip! ill try it next time in BIOS 🙂 

4 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thanks. I will have a closer look tomorrow. My 9950X3D is SP120 as well. I just got the Strix build put together and have about 2.5 hours to sleep before work tomorrow. No problem running 8000 C36, but still need to tune it. First distro plate I have owned. I like it, but getting the air out of it was a little bit tedious. It was very noisey when it had tons of air in it. It is cranking out some decent flow (318-320 L/H). Top and bottom rads both push/pull. I purchased a second set of KingBank 8400 and will probably sell my G.SKILL 8000 EXPO kits (3 of them).

be sure to post ur VF curves, as well (9950X and X3D). lets get some comparisons going here to put some proper context to the curves 🙂 

20 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I like to think about the 4090 compared to the 4080. My experience was a substantial upgrade very nice boost in games. Everyone with/without a 4090 talked about it, and thought it was +$400 more well spent going for the $1,599 dollar 4090. Now consider the 5090 is also +$400 more than 4090 but an even larger upgrade than that was. 
 

I’m beginning to seriously question if anything is ever good enough for me or most people. When we all had 3090’s, and the 4090 came out, we complained because the 4090 was too damn good. It was so fast with frame Gen it made the 3090 instantly obsolete (Nvidia was no friend to us gamers because our 3090 is obsolete now) But now the 4090 owners complain because that didn’t happen again. I don’t think we can ever truly be happy with high end hardware no matter the product they give us.

 

I really don’t think any company or product can fit the bill for what we actually want that would make everyone happy and sing praise lol.  All we can do is waste our money, convince ourselves into buying the GPU, then we sing our praises about the things that are true. 

and THAT, my friend, is the crux of the hardware enthusiast reality 😄 

19 hours ago, Papusan said:

Btw. The newest tech in Papusan's plaza😀

haha nice that reminds me of the high tech toilets i saw in japan 😄 

11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

@jaybee83 I forgot to ask, what is the SP rating on your 9950X3D CPU and what was the SP rating our your 9950X? Do you have any BIOS screenshots showing the V/F curve on them?

7950X = lemme see if i can find an old bios screenshot / post about this

First 9950X3D = SP 120

Second 9950X3D = SP 120 (120.44 across all cores),  V/F curve below.

in general, both the IMC and CCDs seem to be stronger on this one vs. the first. unfortunately, i dont have any screens of the VF curves for the first 9950X3D or the 7950X.

sorry about the awkwardly slanted screenshot, this is due to my curved monitor 😄 plus had to stitch together two pics cuz the low Bios res doesnt allow all 16 cores to be shown at the same time.

4 hours ago, johnksss said:

@Mr. Fox Not sure if you know this but.....

 

The Best Computer Store in Phoenix, AZ

 

The Wait Is Almost Over – Micro Center Grand Opening Coming in 2025! Micro Center is coming to Phoenix with over 25,000 items in stock and the industry’s best customer service. Phoenix, get ready to experience Tech Heaven for yourself—stay tuned for opening details!

 

https://www.microcenter.com/site/stores/phoenix.aspx

 

You might be able to rent that 5090 yet!!

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Hallelujah!!

Best news I have heard in a long time! Thanks for letting me know, Brother John.

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9070 XT has frame generation and it's much better than prior generations of RDNA. Same for ray tracing. NVIDIA needs to be minding their P's and Q's or they're going to find themselves in the same kind of trouble Intel did. Being asleep at the wheel isn't going to work out as well for NVIDIA as it has for a long time.

daaaaaamn, bro Fox will be basically moving into the new MC as a permanent resident 😄 

19 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Oh, and go ahead and offer a dual binned variant and call it "Extreme Edition" if you want ala Intel style and charge a touch more and I'm there for it.

ah yes please, id like to have one of those 😄 

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Nvidia is ready to help China with "cheaper" graphics cards for AI workloads. If you aren't alloved to sell higher tier graphics cards... What is better than offer them needed parts for DIY ? If they can offer the GB202 silicon and vram IC's much is done. And probably more difficult to track where it lands. Just use shell companies or/and their AIB partners around the China region. 48GB 5090's is incoming. But not for everyone. Jensen Huang will do everything for China. Even go outside the US ban for higher profits

 

Samsung GDDR7 3GB modules now available for DIY purchase in China, RTX 5090 48GB mods incoming?

In China, Samsung’s new K4VCF325ZC-SC28 24Gb memory is now on sale. Potential customers apparently need to buy at least ve modules to get free shipping, and each module costs around 10 USD.

RTX 5090 with higher vRAM by Nvidia themselves...it better be a 5090 Ti or Titan Blackwell!

btw guys, cmon now, we dont really need to be defending 8GB cards in 2025....dont come up with artificial use cases here, just vote with ur wallet and let them die out already.

37 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I haven't had a chance to install it yet. I've been testing out the items I picked up from GTZ over on the OC forums. Fast and as advertised as always. Just a good guy all around. I wish the tech forums had a 1000 of him.

 

I'm going to move that 13400 from him into this B760 Gigabyte Gaming AX board I have w DDR5 6400 and install that before I give the 5070 a whirl in a few days. I've finished testing my 9070xt just about. 2fps+ Max OC'd vs stock on min and avg in Deux Ex, WoW, Fallout 76....yay? 🙂

 

Uh oh! Time to test one against your two other 9950x's?

 

I must admit, I'm still on the fence about maybe ordering a 285k instead and building out for comparison. I wish a decent (SP85+) would pop up for cheap to take the binning out of the process.

i can see that 5090 budget burning a hole in your wallet hahaha

i for one am done with hardware purchases for the time being, back to tuning the installed hardware (finish RAM and havent even started with the CPU yet!) and also more gaming! just finished Deliver Us Mars and also discovered a third installment is already in the making (Deliver Us Home). Now I am starting with Doom Eternal + Ancient Gods, first time ive tried it. Lets see how it compares to Doom 3 and Doom 2016 🙂 

10 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Mine is arriving on Tuesday.

ooooh joining the X3D club? nice, looking forward to your findings vs. the regular 9950X.

17 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I bought this KingBank kit. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DSZPHLCX?th=1 - very inexpensive

It is not advertised to have an EXPO 8400 profile, but lo and behold, it does. @jaybee83

I can't do 8400 with my CPU but it runs stable at 8200 with custom timings. Nice to not have the rainbow puke eyesore. tPHYRDL is matched. I bet it would handle 8400+ on the Gene or Apex. This kit performs pretty much identical to my G.SKILL 8000 TridentZ Neo EXPO 48GB kit. A bit slower than Neo 32GB 8000 kits, but to be expected with 48GB modules due to looser timing requirements.

 

The heatsinks are A WHOLE LOT BETTER than the G.SKILL heating blankets.

 

I will continue to do some tuning/testing on the Master and the Strix (once I have it). If it turns out to be a reliable kit then I will probably buy another one and sell the G.SKILL rainbow puke sticks just for the reason to not have to install any kind of bloatware to correct the rainbow puke rubbish.

 

 

thats really impressive for that pricing! no way i could compete with those speeds / timings tho lol. i for one am just happy i finally got 8000 stable. i finished tuning the primary timings: 8000-40-47-49-76 is the best i can get in my D2D OC stability tests. secondary and tertiary timings to follow, ofc but that will take a while 😛 still, nothing to sneer at, considering 8000CL40 is the same latency ratio as my previous 7600CLC38 or the universally recommended 6000CL30, but at much higher overall bandwidth. curious to see where my results will land once ive gotten all the timings dialed in.

welp this was a nothing burger 😄 turns out, once u insert TWO sticks instead of one the rules change completely. the 1.30V kit that was previously stable at 8000 is still king. while testing the two best 1.35V sticks i couldnt actually get them stable at 8000 with the same settings 😄 

sooo anyways, RAM binning done, will keep the 1.30V kit and see which speed will give me the best bandwidth / latency performance 🙂 thatll take another while.... RAM OC rabbit hole is real 😄 

57 minutes ago, johnksss said:

I'm starting to think @tps3443 is doing a little side work for Nvidia as hard as he is pushing this FE card. The card is the  bottom of the barrel. It always has been, that is why it is the cheapest to buy, but also usually the hardest to mod because Nvidia is in control and after each rendition of cards they take what they have learned from us in the forums and make their cards that much harder to crack. Nvidia does not like to RMA GPU's, they want them to be sold once and not returned for 4 more under sketchy warranties of.... it died while idling, but forgot to mention that a drip of water landed on the PCB while the card was "idling"😂

haha i get it though, bro @tps3443 is just happy with his purchase and is screaming it out into the forum void 😄 

sooo ive gone through all 8 new sticks individually with loose timings and maxxed out voltages, and here are the results:

5 sticks max out at DDR5-8500 and error out instantly at DDR5-8600

2 sticks max out at DDR5-8500 and error out about a third of the way through the stress test at DDR5-8600

1 stick maxes out at DDR5-8600 and errors out instantly at DDR5-8700

now doing the same settings with the kit that was stable at 8000, but testing the sticks individually. they do seem do be significantly weaker, at least the first one cant do 8500 stable, currently testing 8400.

ill be testing the sticks that can work their way through completely or for a good chunk at 8600 and do all permutations of  two sticks with more stringent settings. in the end im hoping ill be able to achieve 8200 with respectable timings, that would be grand 🙂 

w00t w00t! we got separation! 🙂 Stick No. 5 of kit 3 is stable at DDR5-8600 😄 Fun fact: this is one of the open box items, thus significantly cheaper than the new kits 😛 now off to 8700...

5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

i guess it all comes down to optimization by the mobo manufacturer. in my case i havent had any luck with EXPO kits, but XMP kits work quite nicely.

 

AHA! "finally" errored out at 8600 😄 now for a full 8500 stress test to dial this stick in and then off to the others. should go more quicklly now that i have a rough idea of where to start testing.

currently on the third stick, so far theyre all maxing out at 8500. seems like these kits are more narrowly binned than the others. curious to see how they perform in pairs, maybe then ill have more of a spread. id definitely welcome it, since ill need to decide which ones to return 😄 

18 hours ago, Clamibot said:

Bartlett Lake confirmed!

 

Looks like we won't have to go to Xeon CPUs to escape the E-core madness after all!

 

https://wccftech.com/intel-confirms-nova-lake-s-nova-lake-u-p-core-only-bartlett-lake-s-desktops-panther-lake-laptops/

nice! looks like ill be holding off on upgrading my lady's machine until Bartlett Lake shows what it can do 🙂 also hoping for additional fixes to stave off silicon degradation. when it comes to my lady, stability is everything! us hardware nerds can live with a bit of instability when it means MOAR POWAH 😛 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, I think I am going to return this kit for a refund. It performs quite well but I cannot stop it from erroring out. So far every Intel XMP 48GB kit I have tested on the AORUS B850 Elite, X870E Master, X670E Gene and X870E Apex has not been capable of being stablized and every EXPO kit has. I think I am going to stop wasting my time with XMP. Something is off with the XMP profiles that isn't good for Ryzen. What is weird is if I have stable setting with an EXPO kit and replace it with an equivalent XMP kit the stablity is gone even with the same manual memory tuned setting. I can't really explain that. There is something different. The 48GB EXPO kits are also harder to tune than 32GB EXPO kits.

i guess it all comes down to optimization by the mobo manufacturer. in my case i havent had any luck with EXPO kits, but XMP kits work quite nicely.

AHA! "finally" errored out at 8600 😄 now for a full 8500 stress test to dial this stick in and then off to the others. should go more quicklly now that i have a rough idea of where to start testing.

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

@jaybee83 this just booted and ran fine with the Intel XMP-8400 profile. The only adjustment I made was maxing out tREFI and turned off GDM/PMU manual to 0. I didn't touch voltage or anything else on the memory. Even the latency is good for no tweaking and sloppy default XMP settings. Now I am going to see what Gigabyte AI Snatch does. I just discovered that. Let's see if it is a gimmick.

thx for the headsup, ive actually tried those in the RGB version (lights manually switched off for daily operation and stress testing, i just go with the RGB version for higher resale value), but no luck on my mobo.

BUT

the four additional kits of the G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-8000 F5-8000J4048F24GX2-TZ5RK arrived yesterday! This is the 1.35V sku, there is also a 1.30V sku under the same model number, which is the kit that ran 8000 stable in my previous testing.

Im now testing the 8 sticks individually and so far i havent found an upper limit for the first stick LOL. DDR5-8400 running well, upping in 100 Mhz steps 🙂 Will update you guys once i know more 😄 

Ofc im aware that with two sticks the frequency limit will be lower, but this nevertheless already bodes well. First time ever ive even seen anything boot up and run stable at 8100 Mhz or above on my mobo 🙂 

On 6/1/2025 at 4:01 AM, Mr. Fox said:

If I had to wager I would bet that it's true because NVIDIA is who they are... control freaks. If they can find a way to screw the people that buy their products that is exactly what they will do. That's how they roll and who they are, and that is how they have been for a long time. Also one of the numerous reasons I dislike FE video cards.

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And, on a happier note, I ordered my second Lian Li O11D XL EVO to house the second AORUS Master. Also ordered a D5 distro block from Radikult Customs and about 12 feet of Alphacool EDPM tubing.

 

Now I hear rumors of a 9080 XT with 32GB of GDDR7. I am so glad I didn't blow $3000+ on a 5090 already. Now it is no longer even tempting. Not caring actually feels really good.

On 6/1/2025 at 7:24 AM, Mr. Fox said:

I was watching a Moore's Law is Dead video and apparently it is based on some leaked benchmarks.

 

As long as the temps are not 100°C I would gladly buy a 4090-level AMD card for the price of a 5080 or less. So, I hope it is true, but we shall see. AMD really doesn't cater to performance enthusiasts. Their niche is more geared toward mainstream on everything.

 

 

oh that would be very sweet if they came out with such a card. there is a possibility that AMD didnt expect Nvidia to nerf the 5080 THIS HARD, so theyre now seeing an opening to slot in smth between the 5080/4090 and 5090.

21 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

5090 is just an expensive midrange high end gamer cards.  The more you pay the more you save. Here's Nvidia's new  "gamer "flagship" card😀

 

 

Not sure this would please @electrosoft😁 The $10.000 cards almost sounds like a real circular saw. Very special sound from it. Not the worst I have heard but the sound from this is awful and more annoying than this one from my older post

 

boiz@5090 owners, welcome to midrange 🥲 even more so cuz the Pro 6000 can be oveclocked! now lets see if Roman will design and make his very own custom water block for this card. seeing as he actually has all the milling equipment and know-how, this would be perfect as a part 2 for his "project irrationality" 😄