jaybee83

4 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

High voltage or low voltage the 5090’s can scale up really well I think. We just need low temps, and 1,000+ watts of power! 

that goes without saying! 😄 hopelessly power-starved left right n center!

17 hours ago, tps3443 said:

If your card uses less voltage it just means it probably leaks less than 5090’s that ask for more voltage. But high voltage or low voltage does not determine how high the silicon can scale. @Papusan What does your Astral

voltage run at? 

hm depends....one might argue that since im reaching 600W with far less voltage my chip is extra leaky 😄 but ure right in that i have no idea how much the voltage values this gen correlate to overclocking capabilities. i just know its currently looking quite chaotic and all over the place, hard to judge.

bumped down another 5 mhz on the core, now at +355 offset. had soft crashes / CTDs in Deliver Us Mars.

this game is quite the stability test lol

bro @Papusan time to throw out that cheap garbage peasant Astral LC of yours, your actual 5090 sku just dropped: 

https://www.techpowerup.com/335948/galaxs-hof-oc-lab-launches-geforce-rtx-5090d-xoc-le-flagship-card-price-usd-4120

with that MSRP im sure u can buy it in norway for a measly 10k+😄 

36 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I’m not swapping my card. I absolutely love it! I feel like it’s a great example of what an FE is supposed to be. It’s quiet and It’s a low power 5090. I’m very happy with my silicon so far. I feel like Its an excellent sample, clocks can fly without crashing, of course I’m bound by power and temps right now. But I see absolutely no reason to waterblock/Shunt/OC any other GPU. We have what we have. This thing is used for playing games and work, I’m not stressing my self over finding something else.  😃
 

As far as binning goes with 5090’s that is a massive waste of time for me and most. But I know some people who are testing 3+ Astrals or 3+ other models and keeping whichever does best. The reality is, I think any 5090 is going to run 3,200 internally and some models may run 3,400 internally (Once shunted and on water of course) 

 

@electrosoft Your 5080 looks perfectly fine to me though. These cards are not factory overclocked. You have essentially added +300Mhz in core and +3000 memory and gained +20 watts more. Your load voltage is even less as the card is still power limited. Notice your voltage went down with the higher overclock even though it’s 1 degree cooler and only 270 watts that card is power limited before even hitting its power limit. The is the case with all 50 series and our internal clock falls to the floor. Apparently the 5090’s can hit this limit at low 500w sometimes even 450w. You may have to do like +400 and increase all sliders to do a more fair comparison since the Astral had a maxed slider by default. It’ll probably drop voltage even more though. These cards are so artificially limited man it’s crazy. If you could flash it to the Astral 5080 bios, I think then you’d see it fly just for the extra power head room alone with 5080’s. Or shunt mod it. 😃

totally get it and i must say i agree with it. while i wouldnt have gotten an FE im also not gonna start binning 5090s lol. i know i might not have the best overclocked in this card but i also know its definitely not bottom of the barrel. sure i might be well off compared to many other ppl but doesnt mean i can pump out tens of thousands of bucks just to bin some gpus 😄 with RAM, now thats another story 😉 especially now when RAM prices seem to really bottom out!

aight boiz, time for daddy to do some tinkering this weekend. conductonaut extreme arrived today, hopefully the TG putty pro will be here by tomorrow, as well 🙂 CPU & GPU cooling upgrade incoming!

27 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Plenty of NVMe storage... GPU still PCIe 5.0 X16. Both Sabrent Quad NVMe cards running at their full Gen3 X4 speeds on both chipset X16 slots. No botched up bifurcation trash. 10 NVMe, 3 SATA.

u got enough storage there bud? 😄 (i know i know, look whos talking! 😛 glad im not the only SSD fanatic here hahaha)

9 hours ago, johnksss said:

@tps3443

I was thinking it was already done. My bad.

 

As to voltage, you can try this and see if it will lock the higher voltage. You are not trying to break any records or anything, only trying to lock the voltage and move the core. 

In the picture it's only 1105 because I'm not using a full screen bench test, so it slightly lowers itself. That and temps. Also that yellow line is the locked voltage point.

hm you mean to say that manually locking in a higher voltage might help push it up?

where does yours land at full stock vs. locking it in manually?

Just now, electrosoft said:

Good find!

 

So silicon lottery is in play again as always.... 😞

If someone is dedicated enough I can see binning cores and memory (if we're ever allowed to exceed +3000) to compete. I mean, I'm clearly not sad for my Astral but still.

 

I think we always have to remember all that is promised out of the box is the advertised performance...

 

....we also have to remember most products also come with a 15-30 day return policy or you can sell them off (like CPUs) to friends/family/clients who will never, ever overclock and a 5090 is a 5090 is a 5090 to them.

 

What does your FE say boost locked with PX1 w/ and w/o 100% slider?

 

For me, it comes down to coil whine. I'd have to hear it at >200fps+ and TS GT2 run to see what it's working with coil whine wise. 50% fans on these FEs is definitely audible but then again I'm running an open case.

 

True, even the most average FE should beat a good sample 5090 if it is blocked and shunted. 🙂

 

Looking forward to before and after results.

no dice on unlocked vRAM OC, that is hardlocked in the vBios. so well need the XOC vBios including that special sauce software to drive it...

and yeah, can confirm from what ive seen, voltages of a card dont change when flashing different vbios versions. however, there might be different boosting behaviour in terms of power spikes that the card is allowed to do.

wondering though if this difference in max reachable voltage actually gives u guys anything extra? especially with that power limit in place... now, where did i put that XOC vbios again....must be somewhere here..... 😛 

12 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I haven’t seen any issues with the latest drivers. I use my PC for 8 hours a day a least. I’m not sure what the deal is. Latest driver seems fine, it reduced idle clocks even further down to 22Mhz from 180Mhz. I’m not really checking any fps differences in games, maybe I should I suppose. I saw a slight improvement in Steel Nomad. Card can still reach max 1075mv. Temps sensor seems to work okay as well. I have never experienced black screens, if I add like +475 you will get a black screen from a crash. But other than that the drivers seem perfectly fine.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/sn/5548902

welp thats the sucky thing, it can get you out of nowhere, even if u had no issues beforehand whatsoever. im happily chugging along on 572.83 while others are crash n burning on it 😄 shouldnt be this way...this is not the way

11 hours ago, tps3443 said:

My last driver 572.83 definitely needed a hard reset to recover from. 

really sounds more and more like its driver-related then. was the hard reset overclocking related?

11 hours ago, johnksss said:

Thank you @Mr. Fox ! Package arrived safe and sound and it up and running like a champ!

 

Okay, so i ended up selling my Gaming Trio 5090 to one of my customers and grabbed this PNY Epic from Microcenter a little while ago. And I must say i was quite surprised at it's stock bios settings.

 

11 hours ago, johnksss said:

I'm still tripping out on the voltage. it's 1.110V! So a shunt mod would actually do this card justice or an unlocked power mod PNY vbios. I had not seen any other card with a voltage that high before.

9 hours ago, johnksss said:

Before I can get to shutting it it has to be a good card to work with. And right now it's hard to say as at stock it's pulling 630W

9 hours ago, johnksss said:

That's what im trying to do right now, but voltage seems to be all over the place...

duuuuude, that card looks crazy! mine only does 1.01V at stock with clocks around 2825 Mhz, with voltage slider maxed it goes up to 1.025V 😄 those voltages are insane! ive only seen maybe 1-2 other cards that can break through 1.1V, u definitely have a special one there. 3000+ Mhz at stock, crazy...

and yes ive noticed the same, voltages are all over the place, heavily depending on what ure running and even fluctuate wildly during sessions / bench runs. thats even the case if the power limit hasnt even been reached yet. not sure whats going on, hope this is smth that can be rectified with drivers / vbios updates....

overall, its total chaos when it comes to clocks and voltages, every card is so different among 5090s, both in wattage/clocks/voltage, way more variance than with the 4090.

those 630W, are those transient spikes or peak load? i might have to give your vbios a go, pls share with the class! 😄 

keep us in the loop on your findings, highly interested 🙂 

11 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

5090 + 9800X3D WoW 99% utilization Stock vs OC (+300 / +3000) = ~13% uplift. Yeah, I'll take that.

 

I didn't realize my OC was only +300 when I took that first OC shot in Oribos so some room to play with later.

 

5090 OC 210fps (+300 / +3000)  vs 4090 OC (+210/225 / +1500) 135fps = ~56% uplift. I'll confirm this by testing the 5080 FE here and extrapolating vs 5080 FE stock vs 4090 OC. Also test 5080 FE stock and OC in the same location too vs Astral 5090. I expect the gap to close down to ~45%

 

Stock:

 

 

OC:

 

 

Whoa.....

 

Just give it a clean install! 😁

noice! congrats! I keep telling myself the same thing with this expensive piece of gear aka Astral 5090:

 

"You know the last 4 cycles since the 1080ti, you've sold all your GPUs after a few years for as much if not more than you paid....6090 will probably be a train wreck....AMD sucks again for WoW compared to Nvidia with problems galore on the 9070xt....240fps in delves at 4k Ultra with the 5090"

LOL aint nobody got time for that@clean install. besides, my current setup IS pretty fresh, i installed it shortly before i got the 9950X3D, so its barely 2 months old 😛 and yes for me thats fresh, i used to do yearly clean installs, but nowadays i just go with every hardware refresh 😄 gotta prioritize that precious little freetime as a dad...

ill bide my time for now regarding drivers, 572.83 has been pretty good thus far, with the only caveat being those hard system freezes during stability testing. but since ive dialed in my D2D settings, im good. 

and yeah, ive been following the same philosophy forever now: upgrade, sell off parts, add some pocket money here and there, ready to go for the next upgrade cycle 🙂 works like a charm!

so lets see, next steps in tuning for me would be:

- get like 5-10 RAM kits in the 8000-8400 range (incl a CUDIMM 9600 kit, just out of curiosity) and bin them for my CPU/mobo combo

- get some TG thermal putty pro and fill out the gap beneath the backplate for some thermal improvements. after checking igorslab review, specifically thermal conductivity of the thermal pads and paste on the vRAM/VRMs/core, wouldnt make much sense to take the card apart and replace those. but backplate is no biggie, should shave off a few degrees here and there i reckon.

- get some TG conductonaut extreme and delid my 9950X3D before doing some ocing on it. the way i see it, with binned RAM and an overclocked 5090, ill likely need all the CPU juice i can get to be able and keep up!

so much to do, so little time....

8 hours ago, electrosoft said:

lol, I'm just glad to have a new testing spot that can cap out this 5090. My old spot, especially overclocked, just had the 5090 giggling....

 

"MSI Suprim 6090 with 48gb of memory now on sale for $3999.99!!"

 

I'll be curious to see your results, but since 576.02 zero hard reboots. I just give it a few seconds after freezing and it recovers.

 

I will readily admit, I didn't expect the 5090 to have the extra room in the tank....

 

Oh, TSE is my overnight 6hr run since it simulates a max length (in theory) gaming session for moi. My final boss. It is probably a holdover from when I used to use P95 for my CPUs and an hour or so would pass, but 5-6hrs would root out instabilities. Same as my CPU and memory final stress tests. If I can pass a 6hr run, I are super golden to my standards. I can't get onboard for 24hr runs for some reason like others for CPU/GPU/MEM. 1/4 of that is MORE than enough for myself.

 

Still, an hour is probably good enough..... 😁

duuuude....who TF came up with that silly idea to update drivers?! OMFG! i just spent several hours getting my system to properly boot up again! 

so i ran DDU to prepare for the 576.15 install, rebooted aaaand....blackscreen O.o

switched to iGPU....still blackscreen. BUT WAIT, i can see the mouse cursor! at least sometimes LOL

but no dice, had to use my lady's machine, prep a win RE usb drive, manually inject AMD RAID drivers to access my storage, then tried to run system restore, STILL NO DICE.

so i ran startup repair and....finally an image! then i reran system restore from before running DDU inside the system and now all is well again.

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, im sticking to 572.83 for the time being. seems to me that DDU isnt up to snuff yet with the latest drivers, holy guacamole what a shit show NVIDIA! fix ur crap!

/rant

oh, on the bright side: sold my 4090 on fleabay for 90% of the price i paid for it 2.5 years ago 😛 its going off to bella italia!

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

We found it! 5090 99% Utilization in WoW even overclocked!

 

Oribos, my old friend (Shadowlands) to the rescue! The former stomping ground of GPU slaying rises up once more. 🙂

 

This will be my new test spot for GPUs in WoW from this point on. If it can bring a 5090 OC'd to its knees (well, I mean 210fps but still), can't wait to see how the 5080 FE does....

 

 

 

HA! A SINGLE SPOT WITH 99% GPU AND BELOW 240 FPS!  6090 JUSTIFIED! 🤣

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

TSE GT2 has been the bane of my existence for quite some time. It can also wake up a card and make it sing a bit especially TS GT2 which can hit hard too.

 

lol, that's true on the locked voltages. Suprim has the beef too.

 

Yep, every crash I've had testing OC's with 576.02 (I see 576.15 is out now),  resulted in a freeze, black screen, typical beep of disconnect/connect and then the image came back to life enough to either actually continue on or enough to just close it out. No manual reboots/resets.

 

9000 series runs better than 7000 + the WW2 era tank heatsinks on these things = quieter running and good temps even OC'd. Like I said in a previous post, I've actually pushed my fps up to 238fps locked now because the coil whine is so good on this Astral.

"the bane of my existence" had to rofl at that 😄 as i said, VERY curious to see the results with my current oc, will keep u in the loop.

for me its been hard freezes requiring a reboot every. single. time. not even one recovery thus far! very annoying!

while playing Deliver Us Mars yesterday i marveled at the clocks, i was basically running the same 3030-3100 Mhz core clocks as with the 4090 before, only now with 33% more cores and GDDR7 pushed to 34 Gbps....this is just pure, unadultared fun! 😄 

edit: hate to burst ur TSE bubble, but i just passed a 1h loop of it at my +360 core oc 😄 all good!

33 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

It really comes down to having the ability to extract as much performance as possible out of your 5090 by being able to flash vBIOS from other makes and models without being restricted by Nvidia. I mean, it is their in house model being offered so I get it, but they've done this before.

 

No way I'd run 1k as a daily, but fun benchies? Yes please. Beefy enough heatsink to handle it? Double yes please.

 

As @jaybee83 pointed out, lack of dual bios on the FE is a negative too just in case.....

 

The blessings of the FE HSF design is also its curse. Absolutely great for SFF, compact to fit most cases and quite beautiful and stunning in person (I also thought the 4090 FE was an absolutely stunning slab of industrial metal). It's curse is limited thermals resulting in much higher temps overall at similar settings for both memory and GPU temps. In spec? Sure, but it limits you. You can't out Physics, er, Physics...

 

For me, a monster heatsink just lets me run a full tilt D2D OC and not have to worry about extreme temps. If I could keep my room cooler, that would mean even better temps.... that screen shot of a few hours of WoW where my room was heading closer to 90 than 80 still were great temps in the sauna box. If I could keep my room at 70f? Mmmmmmm. Maybe I should get a window AC unit....

 

For me, it will always be 3Dmark TSE GT2 that for some reason looped will eventually get my GPU. I use Heaven when tuning on the fly to see when I start to artifact but I've found recently on 4090 and especially 5090 I don't really artifact. I just freeze/blank and sometimes recover (recover almost all the time with 576.02). I used to use Kombustor (aka Furmark'ish) but not recently. Then I throw games at it but only the games I play. My general rule is, "I'm stable till the next new game."

 

For WoW, I use that high GPU location, and in previous Xpacs back to Shadowlands, I used Ardenweald which just brutalized my GPUs and hit so hard. I need to revisit that. I did also use Wukong this last time. Fallout 76 can't tax anything lol and it ran fine up to +400 / +3000 at max settings to give you an idea.

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5090 is just a beast. It really is. I'm pretty much locked into a +325/+3000 D2D now and playing WoW earlier with the wife and that extra bit of ooomph does help shore up the lows a bit more. Since coil wine on this card is so good, I've abandoned 140fps frame lock and now keep it at a proper +238fps for my 240hz OLED display. There's pockets when playing, especially delves, where it is so silky smooth....

 

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Again, locked down BIOS controls and no dual bios switch? Hmmmm....

 

For $2k though, like @tps3443, I'd rock it six ways to sundown all day everyday.... 🤣

some very interesting points u made here, sir!

first up, ill give TSE GT2 looped a go, curious to see what happens 😄 will report back. and yes, i follow the same logic, its stable until the next game / application 😄 

1kW vbios daily, you say? thats what i did with my 4090 for....i dunno, close to two years? flashed it right when it came out, never looked back 😄 as mentioned, the locked voltage helps keep things in check 🙂 although i DO expected the 5090 to probably max out even a 1kW vbios in some cases LOL with the 4090 i "only" went up to like 750-800W in some usage scenarios. BUT, cooling on the 5090 is even beefier, so im catiously optmistic in this regard. nevertheless, its all talk until we actually get to stretch out gpu legs, power limit wise...

the recovery point u bring up is VERY interesting. i am currently scratching my head a bit as to why the 5090 cannot recover from an unstable OC. the 4090 did so very competently, but with the 5090 thus far i only get a system freeze that i need to manually reset. otherwise no dice. u say this is not the case with 576.02? might be driver related then... i might give 576.15 a go, now that the temp sensor issue seems to be fixed.

5090 is a beast indeed. and i can only repeat myself: i am astounded at how quiet my battlestation is under full load with the 9950X3D + 5090, never thought this was possible...

admittedly, havent oced the CPU yet, but its also still full stock, not delidded yet 😄 still lots to do!

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Yeah I'm at +3000 / +325 for pure stability without adding any PL/V fans on auto which is how I would run it D2D gaming/rendering. Stress testing, I started at +400 and that quickly dropped to +350 and extended testing dialed it to +325.

 

Next will be retesting with PL/V limits pushed to max. (You know, the "hard stuff" 🤣)

 

Might need to dial in a "Winter Mode" and "Summer Mode" at this rate of hades. 🤣

lol nah i couldnt be bothered with such seasonal profiles 😄 i just want a stable D2D OC once all the initial tuning is done 🙂 did the same, started with a quick n dirty +300/+350/+400, noticed 400 onwards was unstable so now backing down bit by bit. currently at +360 and stable thus far.

what were ur last stress tests that showed instability on your side?

did a bunch of transcoding yesterday without issues. fun fact: on the 4090 i couldnt do transcoding and gaming at the same time, gpu clocks would be locked to idle or slightly above that (dont as me why, no idea to this day!) and system RAM usage would max out. now with my new SSD setup (PCIe 4.0 vs. SATA before for media storage) and the 5090 system RAM usage is only at 50% and gpu clocks are unaffected. sooooo, gaming session while transcoding in the background, thats the stuff! 🙂 

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Nvflashk from Kefi works just fine on 50 series but that was just re-flashing my original bios back on. I have an Astral bios I may give it a try. I just hate to brick the card over being dumb. I do not see why it would not work. And worst-case scenario I would have to flash blindly flash back to my original. "I think so anyways" It is so nerve racking doing this though. 
 

If you flash your 5080FE to Astral let me know if it works. 😁

yup i feel ya. wanna enjoy the card a bit before doing too much non-stock tinkering on it haha 😄 besides, as of yet not really worth it without an XOC vbios. as u mentioned, the only vbios worth trying atm would be the Astral one, ive seen some user reports with up to 5% perf. boost going from stock vbios oced to stock astral vbios. seemed a bit sus to me, esp. since it was a lower-tier card (dont rembember, i think it was a palit? or a tuf?), but worth investigating.

in any case, thats what a dual vbios card is for, no risk of bricking 🙂 one of the reasons why an FE would never end up in my shopping basket.

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

If my baby 5090 is okay at 600w. 5080 are probably more than okay at 450w should be a walk in the park. 
 

XOC 5090 is a mine field though. 5090 XOC= Shunt mod + Chilled water. These cards are going to draw some serious power from that dinky cable. Running this daily nonchalant like would be terrifying I think. I would give cables a 1 plug life span to avoid cable debris. Maybe even run one of those 4x8 pin to 12 pin cables. 
 

even with a 1kW XOC vbios the card would be voltage limited far before there would be any risk of it going up in flames (naturally, assuming psu/cable is up to snuff lol).

another game = another stress test 😄

i just started playing Deliver Us Mars and turns out my core OC aint stable. so back to the drawing board!

just thought Id let you guys know in case ure looking for a nice stability test for gpu oc 😛

stable thus far (increasing order of difficulty to get OC stable)

Alan Wake 2

Titanfall 2

3DM Speedway

Unity Enemies

and now Deliver Us Mars. 60 min. each btw at 4K maxed out.

edit: and done, lost -10 Mhz on the core OC to get it stable in Deliver Us Mars. Now for some gaming without crashes 🙂 

so i installed gpu tweak III after bro @Mr. Fox pointer and also some reports that the enhanced OC setting might allow for higher vRAM OC. no dice tho, still only capable of +3000 or up to 34 Gbps. uninstalled again, sticking with PX1.

1 minute ago, electrosoft said:

 

I honestly did not think a 5090 could NOT do +3000 hmmmm....

 

I haven't really collected a lot of data yet, but I also assumed everybody could do at least +300 (I assumed every 5090 out of the box could at least do +3000/+300 as a starting point) and most could do +350. I can do +3000 / +350 with zero PL/V adjustments and that is just how I've been running it the last few days rock solid with PX1. I was going to start testing for max PL sliders / voltage next week to find the "hard stuff"

 

That was my bad for not collecting results like I normally do with CPUs......

 

 

 

 

keep me in the loop as to your results when u get to the "hard stuff" 😄 

thats ok, as long as everyone's happy with their purchase we can focus on crapping all over NGreedia 😄 

so, enough benching / stress testing / tuning for now, first gaming session with the 5090 tonight 🙂 

damn, turns out there really are unlucky 5090 owners who cant even get +2000 stable on their vRAM:

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29436244/

imagine having such a dud of a card 😅

as for core oc, looks like i got lucky again this time around, not seeing many ppl who can do more than +320 on the core, let alone 350+ stable.

12 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Here is I hear bro @jaybee83 Only buy cards if it looks good in your box. Hence he went with Supriiiiim🤩

 

function over form! 😄 first and foremost, i got the Suprim because of its superior cooling, the sleek non-gamery looks only came in second 😛 

but yeah, as i said before: when spending this ridonkulous amount of money, i make sure i get what i actually want, and not just "anything that is currently available".

4 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Newer has to be better. Always bro @Mr. Fox 

 

New Nvidia drivers improve performance in benchmarks, but crashes and gaming issues remain

Up to 8% better performance in 3DMark Steel Nomad

 

If the new crashes are widespread, they represent a potentially serious setback to Nvidia's efforts to fight bugs that first emerged with the RTX 50 series launch. For months, users have reported frequent game crashes and instances where Windows boots into a black screen after installing drivers intended for the new GPUs.

 

See also my previous post below....

 

 

 

 

yeaaaah F that, staying on 572.83 for the time being 😄 now that i think about it, the meager perf. increase in AW2 is probably due to the shitty drivers....

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen a 5090 that can't do +3000 lol but I'm sure there are a few lame ducks out there.

 

Clocks wise, I am finding 576.02 is not allowing me to clock up as high with 572.83. Which drivers are you running? I know a lot of 5090 owners are sticking with .47 as the "best" I might either go back to .83 or .47 for benching but for D2D I tend to stick with Nvidia updates as they flow in. I did do a sloppy upgrade install though so keep that in mind. I'm do for my once a month clean install anyhow (Something I've done for 25+ years....don't ask me why) so I may go back to .83.

 

This.

 

I did the same "whoa!" when testing in WoW and seeing the 5090 at stock blow past the 4090 OC'd with ~34%+ uplift and more in the tank but couldn't hit full utilization. OC just dropped the utilization even further.

 

I'm not saying the 5090 is a bargain or worth it by any stretch of the imagination, but having spent a few hours on Facetime with my clan/guildie bud of 20yrs+ and his 5090 FE, what I have found out that if you want to push your 5090, you're going to need an AIB model and if you want to push it D2D with lower fan noise, you're going to need a beefier model or you're going to just have to block it speaking of the 5090 FE....

havent seen one yet either 😄 id be curious to see how far one could go. based on XOC results ive seen at 35+ Gbps we "shouldnt" be loosing out on too much bandwidth, but any artificial clock block is just wrong...

im still on 572.83. hm, what kinda clock penalty are we talking here on 576.02? now ure making me not want to update as badly anymore 😄 dude, a clean install a month? LOL aint nobody got time for that 😄

got some more bench data for you guys:

4090 OC vs. 5090 OC

Alan Wake II 4K maxed out with DLSS Quality

Tested 6 different savegames, avg. fps listed

66 fps vs. 72 fps = +9.6% for the 5090 OC

something is definitely funky here, when checking reviews im seeing roughly 30-35% uplift in AW2 with RT. no idea whats up with this, will have to look into this further.

Titanfall II 4K maxed out incl. adaptive resolution

Tested 15 different savegames, avg. fps listed

143 fps vs. 185 fps = +30% for the 5090 OC

now this is more like it! 

Last but not least, i did some test transcoding. Converted a total of 6 episodes of a tv show at 1080p to get to a smaller filesize without much quality loss (HEVC H.265 via NVENC), using Xmedia Recode.

4090 = 5971 seconds = 1h 39m 31s

5090 = 3086 seconds = 51m 26s

thats a whopping 94% performance boost a.k.a. almost halving of the transcoding time, NICE! im guessing this is likely a combo of 50% more NVENC units (3 vs. 2) and the vastly increased vRAM bandwidth. me likey 🙂 

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

With the good coolers there is no point go for undervolt as long you are happy with the noise level. You won't get maximum performance with undervolting 5090s.

exactly. and the noise level on this thing is virtually non-existent. i barely notice any difference between idle and load LOL has probably something to do with the fact that my case sports a total of 14 fans 😄  

aight boiz, time for some bench numbers. the suite consists of 3DMark, FFXIV, Relic of Life, UE5 Tech Demos (Matrix City, Mawi Broadleaf Forest, Mawi Conifer Forest, Rain Forest, Rome City, Unity Enemies) and Unigine (all benches).

all benches at max. settings with 4K resolution. mix of OpenGL and respectively highest supported DX version.

this provides a nice mix of ol, high FPS benches, new low FPS benches with RT, and anything in between.

here some high level overview:

4090 Stock / DDR5-5200 / 7950X vs. 4090 Stock / DDR5-5200 / 9950X3D = +3% for 9950X3D

--> crazy to see that even at 4K max the CPU can still elevate the GPU perf. granted this was with stock RAM speeds.

4090 OC / DDR5-7600 / 7950X vs. 4090 Stock / DDR5-5200 / 7950X = +9% for OC

--> CPU was left at stock, so this is based on GPU and RAM OC alone.

 4090 OC / DDR5-7600 / 7950X vs. 4090 OC / DDR5-7400 / 9950X3D = +2% for 9950X3D

--> even though the 9950X3D didnt manage to go as high on the RAM as the 7950X, it still beat it by 2%, not bad.

5090 Stock / DDR5-7400 / 9950X3D vs. 4090 OC / DDR5-7400 / 9950X3D = +33% for 5090 Stock

--> call me impressed to see a 33% jump for the 5090 STOCK vs. the 4090 OC!

5090 OC / DDR5-7400 / 9950X3D vs. 5090 Stock / DDR5-7400 / 9950X3D = +12% for 5090 OC

--> although both configs sported the same RAM settings, the 5090 OC sports a larger 12% jump vs. the previous 4090 OC vs. Stock jump at just 9%. nice!

and now the most important comparison:

5090 OC / DDR5-7400 / 9950X3D  vs. 4090 OC / DDR5-7400 / 9950X3D = +49% for 5090 OC

--> very happy with this, i really didnt expect a 50% jump vs. the overclocked 4090! 

theres still a lot of gas left in the tank with the 5090, seeing as vRAM OC is not fully unlocked and the card is hopelessly power starved. the absolute majority of instances running this card it is bouncing off the 600W power limit. really hoping for a 1000W vbios here, folks!

granted, this is all with synthetic / canned benches, but ill do some more testing with Alan Wake II, Titanfall II, Indiana Jones, as well as video transcoding. so stay tuned! 🙂 

14 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

The A$$zeus fanboys are gonna love this post... 😆

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29457390/

 

I wish them all good luck with the grossly overpriced and poorly designed Apex with defective PCIe bifurcation.

"the juice wasnt worth the squeeze" - love that quote, gotta keep that in mind for future reference LOL

13 hours ago, johnksss said:

Got a text to get to MC. I grabbed the very last one.

welcome to the 5090 club bro, its about time 🙂 heard good things about the trio thus far, hope it treats you well! do tell us how its going with it.

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Some of these AIBs have massive heatsinks or you block them and they are screaming for more power.

 

You can always shunt mod it to get it where you want to go but I'm hoping the XOC vBIOS eventually makes its way out. 4090 seems to get it pretty quick and it was fun to play around with.

 

Which version did you go with? Stand alone or Steam? I downloaded the latest stand alone version 1.3.7 to give a whirl later tonight or tomorrow.

 

LOL, coil whine will find ya! 🤣 

 

How high can you go for short benches? You seem to take my approach. I find a sane OC for D2D and then push it for benches. My 4090 for sane D2D OC was ~ +180 +1500. For benches it was +225 / +1600.

 

I just went into GPU Tweak III and pressed the default sliders for memory and clocks as is and left TSE 3Dmark on a loop for an hour and that was that but those settings are conservative I think so I'll want to see where it really falls off the proverbial mountain.

 

As for eBay in the US, it is ~13.6% without a store and with a store it is ~7.35% in the US, so even selling a single GPU, it makes sense to set up a basic store for ~$30 for the month if the GPU is >=~$500

 

 

Oh damn! Congrats @johnksss!! Blocking it eventually or running it as is?

 

And hey! Will ya look at that, NOT a Zotrash!

 

 

screaming for more powah 100%. what im seeing thus far is that im hitting the power limit WAY earlier than the voltage limit in most cases. one exception is Unity Enemies (UE5 tech demo), which lets the card ramp up to roughly 550W so its able to stretch its legs clockwise and holds steady around 3150 Mhz on the core at +370 (my confirmed D2D stable btw, +375 turned out to be unstable in Unity Enemies).

thats why im absolutely HOPING for the XOC vbios to drop at some point. not planning to shunt mod this card.

PX1 is standalone. everything i have is standalone. i dont even have a steam account 🤣 and yeah, for custom fan curves im using AB, PX1 unfortunately doesnt help there.

havent tested max settings for short benches yet. gimme a list of benches ud want to see and ill check it out for you 🙂

VRAM is easy, cant go further than +3000 and its stable haha 😄 so only core left to finetune in this regard.

my 4090 D2D was at +190 / +1525 so basically the same as yours.

10 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Flash the Astral bios to your Suprim and see if anything changes with load voltages. It’s good you can run +3,000 though. Some 5090’s cannot run that. Also, these cards do see transient spikes of like 800+ watts in power draw. But yeah they are just a little power limited for heavy OC in power virus applications, but honestly I think it’s just as efficient as my 4090 was, when I run my 5090FE stock the power draw is pretty low in my games in 4K. I haven’t come across any games yet that are bouncing off 600w.

If I undervolt it, it stays extremely low on power consumption. My 5090 stays low on voltage too, even lower than yours. 😃 But I love it because it barely uses power. And the default 575w is more than enough for 4K gaming for me (Even without undervolting)
 

Congratulations! You’ve got the same GPU as @win32asmguy

u know, funny that u mention that with the astral vbios. ive seen reports that although the astral vbios sports the same 600W limit, it somehow allows for a bit higher peak voltage and also has higher / more frequent 600+ W peaks. might be worth a try 🙂 

havent checked for transients yet, those 610W peaks i mentioned before was just manual eyeballing via the Nvidia overlay during stress testing. so will need to do some more detailed monitoring with HWInfo.

thats to be expected that your FE stays overall lower in voltage, with on average higher temps at load it would downclock a tad more and thus use a lower point on the V/F curve.

bouncing off the 600W limit is basically all i see on my end....i guess our game library is a bit different 😄 

not planning to do any undervolting, rather interested in the max stable clocks at max voltage 😛 however i WOULD be interested in a vbios with a much lower minimum power limit i could clamp down. the Suprim performance vbios only lets me go down to 67%, equivalent to 400W peak wattage. i would prefer 25-33% or equivalent to 150-200W for regular desktop use / light loads / transcoding workloads.

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

@jaybee83 PX1 can't control the fans but sliders work including +3000. Very much power starved. I will never shunt mod but I will gladly take that XOC BIOS please.

 

576.02 Drivers.

 

WoW auto fans, +3000, +400

 

@win32asmguy  GPU Utilization 76% vs 99% cap out on all the other cards tested including OC 4090 @ 3135mhz +1500 memory (zero player data) 4k Ultra RT max. The hunt for a new testing spot continues to try to get the 5090 to GPU Util 99% even at stock in WoW......

 

 

Timespy auto fans +350 +3000

 

 

how are those 576 drivers treating ya? havent updated yet, wanted to finish all my testing first with the same driver base.

edit: good news on the ebay front, i just sold my 5x Samsung 860 Evo 4TB disks all at once to a buyer in France. total fees at 5% 🙂 pricing was also very good, managed to sell them at 90% of the price i paid for them about 5-6 years ago (new) 😄 

On 4/17/2025 at 8:07 PM, electrosoft said:

Definitely going to have to give PX1 a try. I have found AB and the 5090 buggy even now especially in WoW. With the 572 drivers and newest beta AB, it still suffers from the same glitches as I found before here with the 5080 and WoW a few months ago with Rivatuner and some problems trying to push sliders or clocks dropping or getting locked. It's just being more problematic than it has ever been before with the 5000 series.

 

Don't mind my voice. I was in the throes of Covid....

 

That is why my most recent results are from GPU Tweak III, but I'll definitely give PX1 a try again especially if full memory sliders work on launch. I also like GPU Tweak III obviously because of the added Astral functionality.

 

I haven't even tested my GPU range yet lol (5080 FE still in the system atm but switching back to the Astral today). I just pushed the sliders to their max on GPU Tweak III on default settings (No OC settings) and left the PL and voltage alone for some initial Q&D testing. Did you adjust PL/Voltage levels or doing initial testing stock?

 

Another pro for GT3 is Asus also makes 9000 series Radeon cards so you get full support there too if you don't want to use AMD's tools.

 

Yeah, they've sampled me I think about 5 laptops so far over the past 6 years.  First 4 were good after testing and tear down. Last one was not good on many levels and I let them know in detail why. I think overall, Acer is coming on strong wanting to be a known and respected gaming brand.

 

Based on previous variants I've tested/disassembled, I'm not expecting much BIOS control, but I could be surprised! 🙂

 

@jaybee83

 

With eBay, I make sure to document the GPU before (Timespy run, plenty of pics with my name in it), during (I make sure to note in my listing the buyer will receive a picture of his just purchased GPU with his invoice in the picture along with a follow up QA Timespy run with the score and his invoice/eBay purchase on the same screen and while it is running I record the entire run and can provide a copy of that) and after (I take several pictures of the boxing up of their GPU at each stage with their eBay invoice in each picture) and a final picture of their package so they know what to expect). I also make sure to put in the post all items are shipped via USPS (strictest mail fraud laws) insured and adult signature required.

 

Buyers have left me only positive feedback and love being kept in the loop for what can be a pricey purchase. It also has established a long selling record for pricey items with a documented chain of events just in case someone wants to try some shenanigans....

 

I've been selling on eBay for 28 years now. A few hiccups? Absolutely, but overall it will net you top dollar for your items considering they go for ~$2400USD on eBay = $~2100-$2200 after ebay fees (You should obviously set up an eBay store for the discounts even if for one month, as the discounts will cover the store fee AND put an extra $50-75 in your pocket).

 

If you list your GPU on the forums for $2100, you will get the normal "ZOMG!! OVERPRICED BRO!!" brigade chiming in who can't or won't understand current market conditions.

 

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I just went, "that is crazy" when I read it earlier over on the forums. I have zero problems with people reselling their items and getting top dollar for them (call it scalping if you want), but buying specifically for reselling especially among the hardware community? For someone who is a firm proponent of "let the market ride as is," that just sits wrong with me a bit.

i started off with bone stock testing to get a feel of the card first, i.e. no voltage or PL adjustments whatsoever.

+3000 / 34Gbps on vRAM is still stable, and i think ive hit a stability wall at +375 on the core. anything above that, i.e. +380 and the system locks up during stress tests after about 10-15 min.

depending on the load and resolution im getting anywhere between 2500 and 3000+ Mhz on the core under load. max core temps always go to 68C, with fans adjusting accordingly and PL always maxed out, bouncing off the 600W limit. i sometimes see it go up to 610W or so, but the 600W limit is pretty hard nonetheless.

core voltages are again dependent on the type of load, max. im seeing at idle / light loads is 1.025V with min under load around 0.950V, im guessing i got a very non-leaky silicon that has low peak voltage. ive seen other spike up to 1.09 or so.

in conclusion, the 5090 is hopelessly power-starved and in desperate need of a 1kW vbios...

ive got two more stability sessions to go through before i call +375/+3000 stable enough for D2D. any fine adjustments / corrections in specific games notwithstanding, that is. after that ill go through my benchmark suite once more to check and see what kinda uplifts im seeing vs. 5090 stock / 4090 OC / 4090 stock.

oh btw, i HAVE heard some coil whine now! 😄 that was in titanfall 2 at 1080p and 600+ FPS 🤣 but even then its very slight, totally wouldnt hear it when gaming with headphones on. so nothing to worry about really.

as for ebay, ive also been selling there for 23 years now. the experiences are pretty much the same as yours, theres always gonna be a few hiccups / idiots here and there but overall ive always come out pretty solid. 

the ebay fees also arent so bad, at least not here. they are dependend on where the sale goes to, i.e. national sales are free (no fees whatsoever), inside the EU there are fees but still quite low and only when i sell outside the EU the fees go up to "standard" levels, so to say. however, im fine with that, since the overall customer audience / geographical reach is just without competition.