omg YES! actually stumbled upon this via the latest Techlinked video and wanted to check out the video, thanks for that 😄 

8 hours ago, Taraquin said:

Thx!

Sounds good. Ain`t got a notebook atm, just desktop, but will probably get a notebook again soon when I find a perfect model (advanced bios for ram oc\cpu mods and adaptive sync).

no worries, also got our fun corner for desktop lovers here 🙂 every tech head is welcome here!

56 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Hope Nvidia, AMD and Intel have put some money aside for poorer times. No miners will come to rescue this time helping them to push the MSRP 2x upwards for maximale profits. Their only option to increase MSRP well above the normal is to limit the inventory of new cards, so the scalpers can make some profits. But that will be less profitable than try sell more cards. And what with the flood of used cards we will see the coming months? No money in that for Nvidia and AMD. Its called Payback time 🙂

 

Considering the repeated announcements about higher TSMC costs over the past year, AMD, Intel, and Nvidia might end up being forced to cut deeply into their GPU profit margins. Don't feel too bad for them, though — they should have some extra cash from the last two years.

 

Below MSRP and Only Getting Cheaper: The GPU Deluge Begins
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/graphics-card-prices-update-june-15

 

Crypto Crashed So Hard It May No Longer Be Profitable To Mine Ethereum

If you're thinking about mining Ethereum as a side hustle, you should probably shelve the idea for the time being because, for the most part, it's not currently profitable. There are exceptions (and caveats), but for the average user, it could end up costing more to mine Ethereum in electricity costs...........  Read more...

 

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And more RGB for the RGB jockey's.... Pay more, for nothing of value.  If you prefer or even enjoy install all sorts of RGB software then you'll be happy that the manufacurer have added their Viper RGB 3.0 utility to please you.

 

Viper Gaming's VPR400 RGB SSD Wants To Light Up Your PC With Fast Storage

For whatever reason, there aren't many solid state drives (SSDs) that combine RGB lighting with the M.2 form factor and PCIe Gen 4x4 spec, or at least not many that I could find. They are so few and far between that Viper Gaming, a division of Patriot Memory, has erroneously laid claim to launching the very first such.......

this made me smile... crypto can crash and burn for all i care 😁

1 hour ago, Aaron44126 said:

I wonder if someone could take something like this and use it as a base to build a lightweight Windows that's actually usable (for browser, games, ...).  Seems like its pretty bare-bones but it does support running Win32 apps.

https://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-released-a-new-lightweight-windows-11-validation-os-thats-probably-not-for-you/

oh this is a dream come true for the likes of @Papusan and @Mr. Fox, remove the GUI altogether and run everything from command line, lets get that last cpu and ram cycle squeezed out! 😁

4 hours ago, Taraquin said:

Was active in the Clevo section with tuning etc, was sad to see NBR disappear, hope this will be the spiritual sucessor!

welcome back dude! and yes, the NBR die hards / core members have reported for duty here at NBT 🙂 

15 hours ago, GT3000 said:

So is Liquid Metal or did you just use a regular thermal paste?

 

cpu die to copper ihs - liquid metal

copper ihs to heatsink - regular paste (going with kryonaut)

since its not my own machine i dont like to mess around with liquid metal on top of the ihs, just a precaution. nevertheless, i still expect a significant temperature drop 🙂

btw, the bios clamp and cable is arriving today, wooooo!

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

Alphacool Introduces the Apex Thermal Paste Rated 17 W/mK

By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 06/14/2022 09:05 AM

 

The new Apex thermal paste is available from Alphacool. With a thermal conductivity of 17 W/mK, it joins the ranks of the market's most powerful thermal pastes Read more

 

@Mr. Fox @Falkentyne @johnksss +++

 

Alphacool Apex: New thermal paste with high 17 W/mK computerbase.com
https://www.computerbase.de/2022-06/alphacool-apex-neue-waermeleitpaste-mit-hohen-17-w-mk/

so many interesting new pastes to check out! remind me again, why did i go with a humongous 37 gram syringe of Kryonaut? 😄 also still have some leftover stock of ICD and GCE...

2 hours ago, rocas said:

Hi guys, I haven't been able to test battery drain yet.

The speeds are good.

I was playing, laptop shut down with slight burning smell.

It had already happened to turn off in game. Now it doesn't turn on anymore.

Ordered the motherboards, vendors say they have it in their stock.

I execute the order and after 10 days they tell me to make a refund.

Success with 3 different sellers. A lot of wasted time.

Now I hope I have found a reliable seller.

These motherboards are running out and those who have them are selling them at exaggerated prices.

yeah unfortunately thats usually the way it goes with aging tech: cpus are built like tanks and dont give out so easily, but motherboards are way more fragile, so while the cost of cpus goes steadily down, the cost of mobos actually increases due to rarity....

ha yeah, word on the street is that even with direct-to-production-floor connections ull look at a unit price of 3500 USD (wouldnt surprise me if that was without taxes lol)

1 hour ago, GT3000 said:

Bitchin'. That's nice. Thank you.

sure man, always happy to help 🙂 

btw, one additional note on the copper IHS: i didnt relid it, its just being held down by the socket clamp. easier to maintain and swap out in the future, but the clamp force is high enough to keep it in place without risk of wiggling around!

21 minutes ago, GT3000 said:

How much of a pain is it to reach the keyboard to remove it? Looks good. Can't wait to see results.

the keyboard is actually quite straight forward, u just need to remove a few screws on the downside of the machine (dont remember if it was like 2 or 3, but theyre labeled with KB), then take a very thin flathead screwdriver to unlatch the plastic hooks keeping the keyboard in place on the upper side of the KB. then just remove two cables and thats it!

aaand here we go, cpu copper ihs upgrade completed and installed:

as you can see, the machine is still disassembled for now, so unfortunately I cannot provide any before/after performance yet. as mentioned before, im waiting on the bios chip clamp & cable so i can reprogram the cmos before reassembling the machine. 

in any case, this was a fun little distraction to pass the time! 🙂 

alrighty folks, finished the copper IHS upgrade today, here are the steps & pics:

borrowed some nail polish from my lady to cover the SMDs inside the IHS area, taped down the CPU into the delidding kit and applied a dab of the solder removal liquid (likely some kind of indium mix similar but not matching liquid metal pastes). i let it soak for a few minutes, then "rubbed" it in with a cotton swab to properly remove the solder. repeated this step total of 3 times, it only takes a tiny bit of the solder remover each time! this is after the first step, you can still see some solder left:

next up, apply a tiny bit of the blitz polishing agent onto the die to completely remove the last solder bits and polish the cpu die to a shine. again repeated this step like 3-4 times, until the die looked completely clean. this was after the first polishing step with the second dab of polisher applied:

aaand this is what a nicely delidded and cleaned up cpu die looks like. in the meantime, i also cleaned up the copper IHS which I left overnight with a layer of liquid metal to soak up the copper pores:

the rest is pretty standard, apply liquid metal to both the CPU die and copper IHS, then install into the machine. im using gallinstan which is available SUPER cheaply on fleabay and provides the same performance as high-cost metal pastes like CLU or conductonaut:

have to start a new post due to file size restrictions...

10 hours ago, Nico3110 said:

Which CPU was this? The 12600 or a 12900(K)?

thats the 12600. ill wait for meteor lake to come out before i snap a 13900K for my lady as an upgrade, by then prices should have come down considerably haha.

for now the aim is to max out the 12600, get the ram tuned (currently at SPD 2400) and max out the gpu (core not adjustable yet). then in the fall when i switch to desktop ill give her my 970 pro 1TB, i think thatll be a fine little machine for her needs 🙂

9 hours ago, Aaron44126 said:

 

Indeed, try to find a version from 2019 and then move up from there.  I think that Dell generally expects Windows 10 users to stay current.  (That said, I haven't had trouble with this + LTSC 2021.)

at least not YET 😄

5 minutes ago, 6730b said:

Tried getting Dell Power Manager onto the Dell prec 5540, goes to the finish line then stops \ uninstalls.
Logs says something about incompatible OS. Anything else I've thrown at LTSC has worked 100%.

Not a crucial software to have, but wondering if it's really incompatible with LTSC ...or is it only here \ my tweaks.
So just curious, any Dell owner got Power Manager running on LTSC ? Or have experienced any other incompatible app situation ?

u might want to try older versions of the power manager, might be that the current version have a minimum windows version requirement inbuilt. the only issues ive had so far with ltsc 2019 based on w10 1809 were such instances.

btw guys, i thought id leave this here 😁

Notes:

- heated up the IHS with a hair dryer set to max setting for 60 seconds

- the popping came pretty quick, but the force required was quite substantial (original IHS is still good, no visible dents)

- once the IHS pops, itll still stick to the package, DONT take it off like a latch (upward motion perpendicular to the package), rather turn n twist it (sideways motion in parallel to the package) to reduce the risk of disattaching the cpu die from the package 😅

- saturating the inner side of the copper IHS with liquid metal overnight

now lets get to the tedious chore of removing the silicone glue from the cpu package....ugh

edit: ok, took me roughly an hour for the glue removal, the included wooden pick in the rockit cool kit actually helped a lot here! enough for today, ill continue with the indium solder removal tomorrow...

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

The 12600 is an locked chips. And Clevo haven't added a secondery clock gen on the MB so you can't increase BCLK above 103MHz. 

oh we know, thats not the point haha. point is to get the max performance out of that chip without throttling or overheating 😛 admittedly, the tweaking headroom is not that vast with the 12600 but there is still considerable performance to be had.

@GT3000 here is the TS config (full folder) with Profile 1 for High Performance, Profile 3 for travel psu adapter (max. 90-100W power draw) and profile 4 for battery (max power savings everything)

Throttlestop NH55JNNQ 12600.zip

11 hours ago, GT3000 said:

Mind kicking me your Throttlestop setings? I'm not super familiar with the program.

ha sure, but ill have to rummage around in the system ssd externally since the machine is currently still in pieces 😋 also be mindful that with those tweaks the cpu will run much hotter and will likely impact battery life.

11 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

It makes you wonder why they would regress from such a nice, beefy heatsink in the 15.6" AMD DTR to what was the final product for ADL? Even 12600's can run hot in there.

 

 

because they thought that Intel is much more efficient than AMD LOL

2 hours ago, raptorddd said:

congratulations. is there a way to know how many register memeber we have.?

 

go to search, then switch to members and do a blank sesrch, itll then show a list of all registered members including total count.

also nice: u can sort by post count or reputation in this list!

16 minutes ago, joe4kyo said:

It was just the bios, needed a few reboots and another clear cmos to start

 

Way to give me heart attacks lol

sweet, always good to see a blackscreen event turning out well 🙂

13 minutes ago, aldarxt said:

I really hope this "Thin is in" is just a marketing trend to sell everything off the conveyerbelt to make some fast money!!! I can't see the military or medical field wanting these smart phones on steroids to do the jobs they do in hospitals and covert missions. I have to believe the Professional Industry will eventually need the most durable hardware they demand which when what they have now wears out...   well...

Then, well I guess they will get ROBOTS, I am pretty confident thats where everything is going

ure right in this regard, the only reason why nvidia still keeps supporting standard mxm design cards for quadro type gpus (most recent example is the A4500 based on ampere) is their contractual requirement by existing military, industrial, medical and scientific systems that still use these kinds of cards. lucky for us this also gives us a way forward, albeit ultra expensive one @3500 USD for a single A4500 😅

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

BGA issues aside....

 

My issue is looking at the prototype for this at the trade show versus the final product is a slap in the face in regards to the heatsink. The original heatsink shown was much beefier for the CPU. Whoever decided to go from this:

 

 

To this:

 

 

Needs to be evaluated.....unless it is a bean counter then we know why.

 

Who in their right mind evaluated the 12th gen performance and heat generation and decided this was an acceptable solution is mind boggling.

 

 

 

its almost like the cooling targets of CPU and GPU were swapped between prototype and mass production...

also look at the screw mounts, funny how initially the CPU side was tripod BS with GPU four point, whereas the final version is exactly the opposite...

48 minutes ago, Reciever said:

We have no intention of letting this forum die, even if no one posted it would remain.

 

More importantly I am happy as well to see familiar names and new ones, and fully intend to keep the spirit of what was, here at NBT.

 

With that, welcome (back?) to the forums 🙂

no worries on that front, looks like NBT is growing slow n steady to become a nice successor to NBR 😁 keep up the amazing work!