jaybee83

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

BGA issues aside....

 

My issue is looking at the prototype for this at the trade show versus the final product is a slap in the face in regards to the heatsink. The original heatsink shown was much beefier for the CPU. Whoever decided to go from this:

 

 

To this:

 

 

Needs to be evaluated.....unless it is a bean counter then we know why.

 

Who in their right mind evaluated the 12th gen performance and heat generation and decided this was an acceptable solution is mind boggling.

 

 

 

its almost like the cooling targets of CPU and GPU were swapped between prototype and mass production...

also look at the screw mounts, funny how initially the CPU side was tripod BS with GPU four point, whereas the final version is exactly the opposite...

48 minutes ago, Reciever said:

We have no intention of letting this forum die, even if no one posted it would remain.

 

More importantly I am happy as well to see familiar names and new ones, and fully intend to keep the spirit of what was, here at NBT.

 

With that, welcome (back?) to the forums 🙂

no worries on that front, looks like NBT is growing slow n steady to become a nice successor to NBR 😁 keep up the amazing work!

6 hours ago, GT3000 said:

So here is the bottom cover pulled off for my drive install. I went ahead a just left the stock pads and IC Diamond, I'll do a full repad and paste in 6 months once I see temps creep up a bit.

 

This is CB R23 with auto fans both are on Performance Mode

 

This is with Max Fans

 

Userbenchmark's Stress Test on max fans

duuude thats a crazy loss of performance on auto fans, were talking like -33% 😅 also, you can squeeze out another ~15% multicore perf out of your 12600 with some throttlestop tweaking / repasting / repadding.

On 6/10/2022 at 11:39 PM, JPMoney said:

Hey all, just saying hello. Discovered today that notebookreview was taken down and followed the breadcrumbs here. I was JP$ over there. 
 

Anyone know what happened? Why the old forum was taken down?

you will discover there are a loooot of ex NBR users running around here just like you bud. welcome to NBT 🙂

18 hours ago, Papusan said:

Dell’s New XPS 13 Shows the Price of Going Too Thin

Its innovative engineering won’t be friendly for simple repairs and upgrades.

 

As other laptop manufacturers chased the MacBook Air, so did they chase the XPS 13. So when the XPS 13 goes thin enough as to be almost totally unrepairable or upgradable by users, I took notice. How much would Dell give up to shave 0.03 inches off the prior model?

 

Ever since Steve Jobs pulled the first MacBook Air out of a manilla envelope at the MacWorld Expo in 2008, the laptop industry has been chasing accolades for the thinnest and lightest designs. And while the MacBook Air has continued to be a white whale, one Windows laptop has become almost as recognizable: the Dell XPS 13.

But where leaders lead, followers follow. Sure, gaming laptops are likely to stay upgradeable, as will workstations. But if the XPS 13 succeeds, we may see a world where even fewer thin notebooks can be repaired or upgraded at all.

 

What? Gaming laptops upgradeable? Nope. The editor is blinded by own lack of tech knowledge. @Mr. Fox @electrosoft

ohno its not lack of knowledge its different levels for expectations: "upgradeable" for them means ure allowed to swap one ram stick and one ssd 😂

2 hours ago, the jg89 said:

so I updated the EC to 1.05.15

 

then I used the dsanke bios and...........

I'm gonna let this encompass my feelings atm 😄

one thing to note is that after doing the greset, it's important to press fn + 1 so the fans start spinning and you'll see the clevo logo followed by 2 enter prompts, it'll then restart. Be patient and you'll see the clevo logo again.

yep i feel ya man, after the reset it basically takes forever until display shows an output, really takes patience. im glad everything worked smoothly! 

i dont get it....wtf is a "preview update patch" 🙄 just fix whats actually broken!

1 hour ago, the jg89 said:

Thanks jaybee 🙂

 

Someone that I got tips from on this released a video with a way to flash dsanke bios on a P775 TM1G.

 

 

keep us updated on how it goes! :) 

58 minutes ago, the jg89 said:

Thanks for the advice guys 🙂

I'll try to go for the dsanke bios that I got since it looks like it will work with my laptop and the tutorial is straightforward(also can backup bios too)

 

I figure I won't touch the EC since the fan control is adequite for me.

 

I'm assuming you can't install EC after the bios?

its kind of a mixed bag. in theory u can install ec and bios completely independently from each other, but there is always a chance that new ec / old bios or old ec / new bios arent compatible with one another. 

1 minute ago, the jg89 said:

Can't I just forgo the EC updates and just update the bios (tutorial would be nice btw)

I heard that the latest EC updates screw up the fan control(doesn't kick in until Temp reaches 80C)

 

sure, you can always try 🙂 the statement before is just a best practice kinda thing, its not mandatory.

this could maybe help: https://www.nbrchive.net/xfa/sager-and-clevo.1017/Bios Update P775TM1-G Mifcom/

2 hours ago, Jerryzago said:

Then I believe you are ready to go. Please post results here. I would like to see how it will perform!

same same! lurker mode activated! 😛 

8 hours ago, GT3000 said:

So got the laptop. Lookd great, took a few pictures of the interior when I installed my sticks and drives but when I go to install Windows 10 it's not detecting any drives. Little stumped as the drives show up in bios.

 

EDIT: Figured it out. For posterity just disable the Intel VMD Controller and it will read the drive. Felt like I was taking crazy pills there for a sec.

huh thats weird. but i remember that i actually disabled VMD right off the bat while diving into BIOS, following the rule of thumb: disable anything u dont need to lean the firmware 😛 

11 hours ago, Papusan said:

Seen the Cpu heatsink? Even worse than you get in BGA laptops. Two pipes for an 125w unlocked 12700K Cpu is retarded. On top of the whole mess, one of the pipes from the GPU  saturate the small wimpy Cpu heatsink grill with more heat. Remember Intel have scrapped the PL1 for desktops to keep Turbo boost active in full all core load. Clevo's HW engineers is drunk!!!

yep i agree on that part, the cpu heatsink couldve definitely used another heatpipe or two *sigh*

but tbh im just glad we were still able to get a current LGA system into my ladys's hands for future-proofing and easier servicing (even though the GPU is BGA and yes it makes my heart bleed)

13 hours ago, the jg89 said:

I don't mean to sound like an idiot but is there by chance a list of bios by dsanke that I'm missing?

 

Is this right too? https://www.nbrchive.net/xfa/sager-and-clevo.1017/Bios update clevo p775tm1/

cause the bios has a Wmeset.exe in there and I'm not sure if they're one or the same

 

also does dsanke's bios update EC as well? I heard that you need to update that before tackling the bios

 

edit - ok just found out that EC doesn't update along with it and that update is separate.

I heard that you need to flash EC1 10716 and EC2 10702 one after the other, is this true?

I feel like this would brick my pc

in general its best to flash everything in one, because there might be some incompatibilities between older / newer versions of EC/EC2/Bios. 

5 minutes ago, the jg89 said:

I'll keep the led usb in mind lol 😄

where can I find the nbr archive?

et voila: https://notebooktalk.net/topic/104-notebook-review-forum-archive-–-nbrchive/

13 minutes ago, the jg89 said:

Ah I see lol

do you think I should go with dsanke's then?

haven't heard of the guy and his mods

I don't even know if this custom bios will update the EC too (does it even need updating?)

 

here's what I got :  https://www.mediafire.com/file/58yawa67uq91ktl/drive-download-20220606T224148Z-001.zip/file

would be good to know if it's any good

apparently these allow overclocking

 

Also how would i be able to flash blindly? would I get some indication of when I can proceed like a noise after held FN +B for 30 seconds or something?

in general, dsanke bios has made a good impression in the community, u can check the NBR archive for the respective Dsanke threads for more info.

just make sure u have the correct bios for ur machine.

the blind flash is tricky, as its name implies 😄 u basically keep Fn+B pressed, then press power button and only let it go after "a while". it helps to use a usb stick with an inbuilt LED, so that u at least know when it starts to be accessed. without that, ull just have to make a "best guess", i.e. let it sit for like 20-30 minutes to make 100% sure the flash went through. then shut down the machine (unless it does so by itself), power it on again and hope for the best!

for the inbuilt recovery to work your bios image has to have a specific format and file naming though, its different for every clevo machine....

7 minutes ago, the jg89 said:

ah I see,  I'm assuming you don't know how to install basic clevo bios then ^_^'

Thankfully I have a dsanke bios (for P751 TM1 which apparently works with p775 tm1g laptops too)

 

I wanted to ask about dsanke's bios, are they reliable?

and does fn + D reset bios if you accidently brick your PC?

i do, but not taking responsibility since i dont own your machine 😄 

Fn+D is like a cmos reset, but that wont help if you brick your pc due to a bad / incompatible bios flash...

however, there is an inbuilt bios recovery that can be activated via FN+B, but in that case ud have to do a blind flash on a black screen.

26 minutes ago, the jg89 said:

And the CPU?

bios update for sure. might also require a pin mod, but that depends on your chipset:

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/175489-asrock-z170-mocf-lives-on-coffee-lake-mods/page/19/

26 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Even if it peaked to 140W and long term 90W this is well below Intel's specs for this Cpu. Aka fully crippled. And they have both capped TDP and Cpu temp target well below specs.

you know it, with any laptop / machine in general u cant leave things at stock, tuning is required to get the beast unleashed 😉 give us some more time on this, theres definitely more we can get out of it!

On 6/10/2022 at 5:51 PM, the jg89 said:

Hello 🙂

 

I need a bit of advice when it comes to upgrading this laptop

I got my hands on an rtx 2080 mxm card as well as an i9 9900K CPU

but I've ran into a problem with both of them.

 

GPU - video comes on fine but reads as Microsoft basic display adapter, Nvidia driver can't be installed

since it comes up saying that the hardware isn't compatible, can't even tweak the brightness.

CPU - boots to a black screen, fans start to run a bit then restarts to a black screen then shuts down.

 

I heard that my bios needs to be updated but everytime I ask how to do so they just don't have the answer for me

 

bios version : 1.05.11
KBC/EC Firmware Revision : 1.05.07

 

I found the ones I want here but there's no tutorial on them

https://my.hidrive.com/share/yze8mg-wf8#$/BIOS and EC Firmware/CLEVO/P_Series/P7xx_Series/P7xxTMx/P7xxTM1(G)

 

any help is appreciated.

 

 

for the gpu u can try an .inf mod, manually adding your hardware ID to the driver files so that it recognizes it properly and installs:

https://notebooktalk.net/topic/249-nvidia-driver-inf-modding/#comment-7630

39 minutes ago, Papusan said:

What a Ugly mess. What's the point add in an 125 W LGA 12700K in a laptop if the Cpu ain't able to run the way its meant to do? Neither will Clevo let the Cpu run at temps the Cpu can handle. Isn't this a flawed design from Clevo bro @Mr. Fox @jc_denton ? This level of engineering from Clevo is darn disgusting.

 

 

Eurocom Raptor X15 review: LGA1700 Core i7-12700K in a laptop
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Eurocom-Raptor-X15-review-LGA1700-Core-i7-12700K-in-a-laptop.620093.0.html

 

 

 

 

yeah the issue here is that NBC is just running everything full stock and hitting it with prime95 😛 this is nothing new, every clevo needs some massaging before it can stretch its legs 😄 issue here being that the control center limits the max wattage depending on the profile and heatwise the stock setup aint perfect. the system can definitely let the cpu pull 140W from what weve seen so far, currently trying to tune the heat 🙂 

6 hours ago, Nico3110 said:

Let me know if you got things working. I am really interested if it works!

you and me both! 😄 

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Very nice bro! Definitely post all the juicy stuff! 😁

foh sho! 🤠 

41 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Review out from Notebookcheck.net A real tragedy! 

 

 

 

hey man, thats likely due to their balanced settings in the control center, we found that different profiles set different wattage limits. weve seen peak at 140W with long term 90W but theres still some heat-related tuning to be had here, give us some more time 🙂 

edit: ok they did actually set it to performance it seems, but there are still fairly aggresive temp and wattage limits set at stock that can be alleviated via throttlestop!

6 hours ago, Reciever said:

You guys had to show me up, now its 72!

keep us updated here bud 🙂 you could also maybe post milestones of total member count and similar 😁

On 5/8/2022 at 7:53 PM, Ishatix said:

Does anyone have any experience with any of these, or know of any similar options?

 

https://www.fairphone.com/
https://www.shiftphones.com/en/
https://www.pine64.org/
 

I thought it might be good to start a thread on this topic.. probably we could have a similar thread about laptops too come to think of it!

thx for bringing this (back) to my attention, i was actually aware of the fairphone previously but havent paid much attention to it. im currently looking for a new phone for my lady's bday, and i know she would be all over this (shes a "sustainability enthusiast" in her own words haha). although i must say im not convinced on pricing and clunkiness yet, hmmm....

mwahaha, package from Rockit Cool is waiting for me at the post office 😁

AAAAAAND i also got an order in for a compatible cable / clamp for the bios chip, lets see when that arrives. things are looking up! 🙂