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@Mr. Fox Not sure if you know this but..... The Best Computer Store in Phoenix, AZ The Wait Is Almost Over – Micro Center Grand Opening Coming in 2025! Micro Center is coming to Phoenix with over 25,000 items in stock and the industry’s best customer service. Phoenix, get ready to experience Tech Heaven for yourself—stay tuned for opening details! https://www.microcenter.com/site/stores/phoenix.aspx You might be able to rent that 5090 yet!!

Brother TPS wasn't with us back when we use to have conference calls with Dell to make the M18X 1 and 2 better? When they blocked us and locked all back doors? Then asked to chat some more about the A18X2 after they locked the A18X1? Or with Clevo and Sager when Clevo shut down Sager trying to help us get mods implemented?

In the words of everyone here....Form over fashion my friend. And all air cooler cards do not suck, just because they don't cool a card down to 30C. Not sure how this has become stand practice now. Cards run in the 70's at some people houses. And max is what 88C or something like that? Yes and no. I ran mine without a chiller and still got better numbers. 17699 to be exact. All I had were fans. I keep trying to tell you, it's Nvidia blocking the performance. My Astral is on chiller now. And I gained about 450 points with block and chiller. So nothing fancy there, but then I know why it's not higher. Everyone on planet earth knew the FE was always cheaper, I thought that was a given? I sure hope so, because right now, that card does not look promising when it comes to benching numbers, but gaming... it's great. If that card can't crack 17k shunted on stock cooler then there is a problem. And I don't think it's the user. Just my opinion. Still hoping you crack to code so we can see it move into the 17k range.🙂

@tps3443 is making want to go buy another Astral right now and run it at stock just to see what it gets today. LOL I would do an FE, but that card is like a 4 leaf clover at our Micro Center.😂

But that is what everyone says about everything? If I didn't like it I wouldn't keep it. If that is the case, I would expect far more for my 2000, for as heavy and premium as you say the card is, but then say the cooling is crap. So i'm kind of at a lost on that part. I'm not here to convince you my friend, that your GPU sucks. As I have been down this road with many other ideas I have had over there years and people have said worse. (AC on laptop or pointing in case at GPU or using a water chiller before that was even a thing) And boy did people have nonsense to say. You either buy what you want or you buy what you can afford and that's it. All the rationalizing in the world just means a person can't really afford it. Example: And this went for something as cheap as 50 cent cheeseburgers at McDonalds. Those things are like 3 bucks now. Astral + Alphacool Block + 2 year Accidental Warranty cost me 3,771.36. Potential loss at the end of the day? About $600. That's why I look at it differently. Now if I sell the block then that 600 drops lower. If I give it to @Mr. Fox then the price stays about the same. The astral is not faster at stock for stock for the very obvious reason that the Pro 6000 has more Cuda cores automatically makes it faster at stock. Over clockers are not getting the card to bench it stock. So if that card can not get past the 600W max, then it's just a 10,000 dollar "Hey look at me I spent 10K so I can say I have better stock numbers" card is just foolish. If you bought it to just game/Ai/work and the occasional benchmarks and said nothing, then it's your money and buy what you want. Why? Because that person is not bragging about it. So until that card is unlocked/shunted/modded and cooled, it's just another GPU in the world of over clocking for numbers. And at this point I'm pretty sure no one wants to be represented by Nvidia in the world of over clocking because Nvidia would just take what the people showed them to make it better....A way to lock it down further. Just like Dell/Alienware did. Unfortunately those scores are not acceptable in my book, but that is my opinion, but they are acceptable for gaming. A shunted card doing 16,6K in Steel Nomad is crazy to me. Again, only my opinion. If I'm gaming I would not even bother shunting it. And in reality, this is like the 2nd card I have shunted in 17 years. I would rather not have to do that. That last line is debatable as that is based on user. But I will keep hope alive in that they figure out why the shunt is not working as intended, but I would recommend them not sharing that in the open forums or the next FE will be locked down even further. These are facts and not opinions. Edit: It's not Nvidia as a whole, it's mainly these old timers at the top that do not want to go outside there're comfort zone. Like any company their are a bunch of bright minds that get stifled because of that BS seniority rule. So new ideas do not get seen or past on to the customer. I saw this first hand with Clevo. Not everyone at Nvidia wants to follow Jensen and senior staff, but when it comes to running your mouth or keeping your job....Those people would rather keep their jobs.

I'm starting to think @tps3443 is doing a little side work for Nvidia as hard as he is pushing this FE card. The card is the bottom of the barrel. It always has been, that is why it is the cheapest to buy, but also usually the hardest to mod because Nvidia is in control and after each rendition of cards they take what they have learned from us in the forums and make their cards that much harder to crack. Nvidia does not like to RMA GPU's, they want them to be sold once and not returned for 4 more under sketchy warranties of.... it died while idling, but forgot to mention that a drip of water landed on the PCB while the card was "idling"😂

This has been the current price for a while now. And that is before tax as our stores do not post items including tax as tax can be based off of your zip code in some areas. I look at that as you guys finally are catching a break after a gazion years of paying more.😂

Been like this since last night. +25 Cards https://www.microcenter.com/product/690032/asus-nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-rog-astral-overclocked-triple-fan-32gb-gddr7-pcie-50-graphics-card

Test bench. Was that with the Galax vbios as your FE has not been flashed yet.

@Papusan Well, is it user error or not? I installed my water block and did not have fan on power plug. Ran like 2 benchmarks and my wireview started screaming at me. I check it and the alarm was set for 70C. I then point fan back at it and it drops back down to 30C to 42C. 😂 When I was running air I always had fan because of the Gigabyte vbios only using 2 fans at 1800RPM. So yes, it does need it's own fan. 😂

Looking back at this.... My block is not as long so Wireview fits just fine. So much so that I did not account for the big open space where the EVCSE cable is now showing. I may go back and solder in the L pins so I can use the removable cable. 18K https://www.3dmark.com/sn/6448799

Hello. The program I used. Edit: Did not see that part coming with the wire...

So this randomly showed up today... In far better shape than the box I sent to Brother @Mr. Fox 😂

I think the AMD craze drives them at the moment. Speculations of course.

Right now I'm lazy, so it's going to you. Just text me on what you need from me. Getting ready to break my rig down because I'm also not to happy with the MSI PSU.

Hold on a sec, I may be shipping to your first my friend. 🙂

I'll take it

Have not upgraded to newer driver either and running onscreen display as well, but with that 4x help none of that really matters. About to turn it all off and see how it fairs.

Running FG$ i get 400+ frames at times. Right now average is 350fps with no over clock. But you are right, i was at like 70 to 90 with it turned off.

Well load up the 4090 laptop and get to testing. I'll load it up on my laptop and see what it can do at 2k/5070ti

It also came with my Astral and my laptop. Plus a few other games I need to get installed.

If it's passable on benching and able to hold all my drives, then I would just give the Apex back and wait on next gen in that respect and grab another AORUS Master and call it a day. If I have no plans on a 5090, then the Master would be the final answer. PS, I already gave mine back and went back to my Z790 Apex. I loved the options the new board had, but could not get past those crappy CPU's. In some respects, they did pretty well, but I felt that it was going backward because we were used to at least 32 threads, and 24 just wasn't doing it for me.

The other alternative is abit more costly, but you can add a 4 nvme drive enclosure using those USB4 ports. The con to this is that the enclosure would need to be kept cool enough to keep maximum write speeds. I could be routed inside the case near the fans as an option. Read and write speeds up to 3.5K, but using TB5 it's 6K or so. I use this as an option when running other drives, because taking out the GPU over and over gets annoying. Not sure what this means for you... Edit: From their site. AMD Ryzen™ 8700 & 8600 & 8400 Series Desktop Processors* 2 x PCIe 4.0 x16 slots with Q-Release Slim (only supports PCIEx16_1 & total bandwidth for x8, PCIEx16_2 will be disabled) AMD Ryzen™ 8500 & 8300 Series Desktop Processors* 2 x PCIe 4.0 x16 slots with Q-Release Slim (only supports PCIEx16_1 & total bandwidth for x4, PCIEx16_2 will be disabled) AMD X870E Chipset 1 x PCIe 4.0 x4 slot 1 x PCIe 3.0 x1 slot * Please check the PCIe bifurcation table on the support site (https://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1037507/). Just an option to think about.

Question, now that you guys have had a chance to play around with your cards. What is your stock and top overclocked scores for Steel Nomad today? @electrosoft @jaybee83 @tps3443 Were you able to run and keep your memory overclock speeds at 2125 average the whole run?

I have the MSI Vector 16 HX AI A2XWHG-061US. I7 255HX/512GB/16GB/240Hz 1600P/5070TI. Already changed the memory to 32GB and about to change the 512GB to 4TB of storage. It replaces an older MSI laptop I had for work.