Etern4l

Lol, the military usually tell the truth about presumably classified highly controversial operations, don't they? Dude please change the avatar, for Albert's memory's sake... The guy said too much in good faith (wanted to highlight the unexpected behaviour AI is capable of), received a reprimand, backtracked, and a spokesman issued a lame statement of denial nobody with at least half a brain would believe. Furthermore, the behaviour he described is exactly what I would expect in absence of sufficient guardrails, especially in some early testing. A side-point here is that the US military are working on autonomous drones, which has been known for a while.

AI-controlled US military drone ‘kills’ its operator in simulated test In the exercise, AI used creative strategies to set itself free from control, such as destroying comms tower and killing the operator... Meanwhile, Joshua Bengio, one of the godfathers of AI, joins the chorus of experts warning us about the existential and other dangers of AI:

It's more than just reputation. They have their own fabs, unlike both AMD and Nvidia. They now have a MVP that sells and people seem to like in the 770 GPU. They have also done a good amount of R&D in that area, going back to Larrabee. They have been historically strong in scientific software, and I can actually see Intel GPU support becoming available there as well. They also have the fastest Linux distro. Last but not least they have a CEO that's not a total weirdo. What they need now is a competitvely priced 24GB+ model which punches at least somewhere between 3090 Ti and 4090.

Great scenario, hope they can work it out, only beaten by the one in which there are plenty of Intel GPUs at launch which beat Nvidia ones. :)

True enough, although Chandler is part of Phoenix metro area, 5M people :) I dare say, the huge impact comes from provision of chip security. Imagine the impact on jobs in the US and worldwide should the worst happen to the small island off the coast of China, and nobody is building any extra fab capacity because of the economic downturn etc.

Fantastic to see Intel advance on the GPU front and start pushing Nvidia out. We need that, which is why the rumours of cooperation seem so bizarre. I mean Intel Clear Linux is probably the worst distro on the planet for Nvidia driver support. Yeah, very interesting. So even though the fabs are highly automated, Intel still employs 12k in Arizona and 21k in Oregon. Not clear how much of that enoyment is construction-related. https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/what-its-like-inside-a-7-billion-intel-fab/ Still, a drop in the bucket vs the size of the economy or even the broader tech sector.

Uncle Joe's semiconductor push is well motivated, but what's also needed is R&D to bridge the manufacturing process gap. Still not clear what Nvidia would be able to do with Intel's 7nm process apart from Ampere. Speaking of Taiwan, obviously MSI, Asus and Gigab... are all Taiwanese companies... I seem to recall Intel used to make mobos? Offtopic, but German special relationship with Russian gas is older than Mutti Merkel. Remember Papi Schroeder and his Nord Stream deals (and the nice Gazprom kickbacks)?

Well, not much, although TSMC are likely already charging the max amount they can in order to ootimise their revenue. What I can't see is how Intel's 7nm process would help. "Introducing the new 5090 7nm 1kW edition." This must have something to do with Uncle Joe's semiconductor manufacturing push. https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/intels-100b-ohio-megafab-could-become-worlds-largest-chip-plant/ Nvidia obviously has to play nice with the government and say "of course, we are evaluating, fantastic - we will manufacture many 2060s in there".

Yes, that's what I'm saying - with the falling demand on the PC side, and shrinking DC market share, they are in trouble, and looking to somehow rent out their 7nm process. One would hope they would continue to compete with NVidia, not help it do business (somehow, still don't understand why NVidia would be interested). Looks like they are giving up on that, or fake news after all.

I don't quite get this. TSMC is Taiwanese, no? Nothing to do with CCP. They are also opening a new fab in Arizona. Furthermore they offer 4nm and soon 3nm process, whereas Intel's best is 7nm. How is that useful to NVidia? According to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSMC Intel were recently looking to use TSMC... "In July 2021, both Apple and Intel were reported to be testing their proprietary chip designs with TSMC's 3 nm production.[109]". A bit confusing I guess. As for the jobs, I'm not sure how labour-intensive fabs are, but if a fab is up and running then the jobs are there regardless of whether NVidia or Intel chips are being manufactured. If you are worried about good jobs for Americans then you should worry about NVidia's AI push first and foremost.

Talk about a deal with the devil...

Hard to believe. Intel first had to outsource manufacturing of its own GPUs is now going to be manufacturing NVidia GPUs? That'd be them the laying down their arms. Hope that's just fake news.

I snoozed over a memory purchase recently. Upon further reflection, I wasn't really sold on that model, I didn't actually need it at the time, and now the same memory is 10-15% cheaper... The human mind is fascinating isn't it? :)

I remember playing the original almost 30 years ago now. At that time the consensus was that the general AI as depicted in the game would be waaaay off, possibly hundreds of years into the future. We are almost there, if not there already. Ironically, gamers and Nvidia (a company originally built on the back of the demand for GPUs from gamers) greatly accelerated the development. As for the various dystopian scenarios enabled by AI, I think the one depicted in the game and similar sci-fi titles is relatively less likely, simply because it seems quite hectic and inefficient - it's very much unlike these effectively 'alien' systems operate. If it decides to make a move, it will be game over. Even if we, the people, want to kill cows at scale, do we chase them through space stations? No, we load them on trucks, and then make them progress through slaughterhouses such that they have no idea what's coming in a moment. Similarly, if AI decides we are an excessive cost, impediment to its goals, or a threat (or is instructed to exterminate people by a bad human actor) - we are unlikely to have an idea what's coming or have any means of countering the threat. What would be the most efficient way of taking us out? Clearly nukes, bio weapons, or the chemical route all seem more optimal - it's just a matter of gaining control or access, which someone will provide eventually. Further into the future, it will just develop and manufacture what's required, just like we manufacture pesticides. Or, quite simply, it will economically eliminate all humans of above average intelligence, and the race will slowly devolve over the next centuries. The AGI will be in no rush, it will after all be effectively immortal. Last but not least, an advanced AI might outgrow us so much it would basically stop paying attention, just like we don't care much about ants, and just run us over for whatever reason (e.g. end most biological life by covering the planet with solar panels to satisfy its energy requirements).

Err, anyone remembers the story of Cassandra? All those senior AI figures and AI lab bosses are coming out with warnings for a reason. It's unprecedented. Did tobacco firm bosses ever issue any warnings about lung cancer without anyone forcing them to do so? It doesn't happen in capitalism.

Just below the tiresome influencer's Nvidia promo material in the lovely "a young child playing with cool new land mines and hand grenades", a rare sensible comment in a sea of terrifying stupidity: @TheSickness 20 hours ago Nvidia: we can connect multiple GPUs in multiple racks into one room filling huge Gpu Also Nvidia: SLI...yeah that don't work In contrast, while the competition is fierce, this guy is definitely a contender for the 'most stupid' prize: @dennisvanelsen1030 16 hours ago I'm just wondering if 96 GB of Vram will be widely available for a reasonable price soon.......

A massive joke courtesy of Mad Jensen and his Ada pricing: 4060 Ti 3080 Ti TFLOPS 22 34 VRAM 8 12 BUS 128 384 BAND. 288 532 3080 Ti beats 4070 and is close to 3090. BTW FTC should ask NVidia why exactly they don't yet support DLSS 3 on Ampere hardware, since that and the improved energy efficiency are pretty much the only selling points of all Ada Geforce cards but the 4090.

People are waking up. Some protesters in London at the venue where Altman and Hassabis I believe were speaking: Artificial intelligence could lead to extinction, experts warn Meanwhile industry leaders hard at work trying to create the very existential risk, i.e. AGIs, have signed a declaration of "concern" over the threat it would pose: OpenAI execs warn of “risk of extinction” from artificial intelligence in new open letter Statement on AI Risk That gall of those people, but ultimately unbelievable human stupidity in failing to stop them right away. Meanwhile, Mad Jensen unveiled a new exaflop supercomputer, which could well be the machine that is used to actually create an AGI. He said it will be used for "exploratory research" (translation: AGI research) by the usual gang of bad guys: Google, Meta, Microsoft/OpenAI obviously, and Nvidia themselves.

Bro, you could have grabbed yourself a spanking new 4060 Ti 8GB with some change to spare. What the heck were you thinking?

Wow, so high... and just on all the dopamine and endorphin rush he gets while s..., err, taking advantage of people, gamers in particular.

I'm tempted to start "The Nvidia Debacle" thread. AI Means Everyone Can Now Be a Programmer, Nvidia Chief Says Same for doctors, lawyers, artists etc. you name it. Nuts.

The I would get the nice red and black Noctuas or IPPC if you don't mind the noise (which resembles a jet engine at 3000RPM, I have mine limited to 2500RPM in response to fair complaints from the family). About the same price, but the performance is worth it and with this ITX build you will be cooling limited for sure.

From the 120mm performance perspective Phanteks T30 or bust if you have the 30mm clearance. Very quiet up to 2000 RPM and those not that loud 3000 RPMs come in handy in close encounters with benching and other heavy loads. 30 bucks but you only need 2 or so.

I am not sure the CPU module would need to be weak, he could have a 13900K tuned for power efficiency and 150W operation, but does anyone imagine that a 450W GPU would run concurrently without throttling in such a form factor? So maybe one could run the CPU at 150W and the GPU at 250W, with the total socket power draw of around 500-550W but that assumption would probably be optimistic. Also one would need a larger PSU to nominally support the 4090 in a situation where you'd probably never get anywhere near the max power on a constant basis. It feels like such a system should beat a laptop on performance and obviously upgradeability etc., but by how much is not clear. Looking at bro electro's post I assumed this is more for car mobility. Probably not the best idea to try and haul this via air in any kind of a normal suitcase. I guess one could get a special secure metal padded/cushioned equipment case and check this in as a special item with insurance to boot. Edit: The Dan C4 review looks like "influenceware" (a nice way of saying BS). First of all, it's clearly a large-ish case (compared to a laptop) although it's being shot as to make it seem smaller, but even so the only HWInfo screenshot is showing the AMD CPU running at 150W while the GPU is idle. 450W GPU + 150W on the CPU looks like a stretch. He talks about liquid cooling that case? What? One would think he meant external, but no, he is talking about some micro custom loop. What's the point? He says "with that you can run pretty much any component you want". ROTFL. A 360 3000RPM AIO with 12 3000RPM fans in a huge case is not really enough to run 13900K at stock without a massive undervolt.

I mean it's -85%, $5 at the moment...