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Eliezer's latest TED talk, just reiterating the pretty clear message.

It's called retro computing. I rarely partake - I guess it's mostly done occasionally for nostalgia reasons that could be difficult to understand unless you owned any of the now retro machines. Anyway, who are we to judge people's state of mind, on this forum no less? Best to keep our sense of irony to ourselves, the conversation will be better for it.

Why? Do you have fond memories of having fun with papyrus and hieroglyphs back in ancient Egypt, or are you necroposting and trolling a little?

That’s great, we need some options in the mobo space. That said, I can’t help but wonder how hard were they thinking things through around their brand name…

Those are both higher end machines which likely have decent heatsinks etc. Probably not the case with the machine discussed (HP Omen if I remember correctly). @ryan The only advice that springs to mind there is maybe apply normal paste, take the heatsink off and assess the fit. You should see a thin even layer of paste. If not then maybe think of some heatsink pressure mods or see if the screws could be tightened differently. Then again, all this bears the risk of stripping the screws. Actually, best advice would be to get a better laptop if possible. Clearly you are quite unhappy with this one.

Compared with the desktop... I mean it must be relatively pretty poor - just compare the size of the fittings/bracket. I would not bother with LM unless a non-conductive paste yielded reasonable results. Failing that, you'd know there is a heatsink problem and LM application is likely to be problematic and/or ineffective.

I’m just going to say it: LM requires good heatsink contact, which is difficult to achieve on a laptop, plus special techniques to protect the electronics.

Oh yes, northern Canada, Scandinavia, Siberia, Greenland - best places to hang out during the summer these days.

Let’s be realistic: very old XTU back from the long-forgotten era of overclockable laptop RAM wouldn’t work with new-ish CPUs or RAM, would it? Hope is good, false hope is bad…

The only way is through BIOS, so - unless you have a way to hack/unlock that - it’s not looking good.

Mine were all grey, including the 7958 paste, I think. I’m tempted to move up to LM. Temps with 7958 are OK, but would expect more of an improvement on a delidded CPU.

i guess I got lucky with my batches from the ebuy7 and eBay. In my limited experience though, the factor that best explains poor temps is bad heatsink fit/geometry/pressure. Heatsink not being an issue, good pastes perform similarly, although durability may vary.

That’s contrary to everyone else’s experience. Either you got sold a fake pad, or something is terribly wrong with the laptop/heatsink. 😞

That's odd. Did you wait for like a day under load for it to set/cure properly?

Yep, as you said - dust can get electrostatically charged, particularly in presence of wind or a dust storm: https://www.e3s-conferences.org/articles/e3sconf/pdf/2019/25/e3sconf_caduc2019_02011.pdf Interesting phenomenon, probably doesn't help your ESD problem though.

Alright, that's fairly arid. I wonder if that desert dust also plays some role - probably not, since silica is an insulator.

That’s kind of reassuring. What sort of humidity (or pack thereof) are we talking about? I bought some humidifiers to keep things in the 30-40% range based on your comment that it helps with cooling as well. A bit of extra maintenance but they do the job.

Elon Musk says Twitter's cash flow still negative as ad revenue drops 50% Looks like the end times are near.

Sorry to hear, annoying. What mods did you subject the CPU to? A delid if I recall correctly, in which case a LM-related short would be an option. Did you bother with conformal coating? There was no foam dam, right? Meanwhile, PTM7958 on the die is holding up well enough for me, although I have been feeling that the temps could be a bit better (hovering mostly below 90C at full load of about 220W with 26C ambient), so have been fighting the temptation to switch to Conductonaut... Your "unexplained CPU failure" report is sobering though, probably best to hold off until the Raptor Lake refresh...

Well, having one's career and thus life ruined by technology is an existential threat in a sense, although perhaps not directly a terminal one, depending on whether any resulting suicides count. I started watching a new documentary on Netflix called "Unknown: Killer Robots". The intro kind of put me off. Someone started off by saying that we have to draw the line between good and bad use of AI. The people won't get to draw any lines. As if Oppenheimer was in a position to say, "alright folks, this is just so we nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and end the war, right? After that strictly nuclear power plants and zero military applications". Laughable naivety. The fact that there are some useful applications doesn't really matter in the end. We don't get to develop the technology towards those specific useful applications only. Once the genie is truly out of the bottle, it will be able to do anything - it almost does already. One would hope that the fact AI improved some cancer care outcomes would be consolation to the last humans on Earth, but it's easy to see why that wouldn't be the case. It's all about that risk vs benefits tradeoff. Most people wouldn't get on a plane which has even 5-10% chance of crashing (a rather conservative AI risk estimate). Meanwhile, the rest of the world is not sitting idly by: Israel Quietly Embeds AI Systems in Deadly Military Operations

This is more about the studios wanting to cut costs by deepfaking etc. rather than necessarily looking to deliver better movies by using "the computer".

Creative professionals are trying to fight the existential threat posed by AI: The Black Mirror plot about AI that worries actors The Screen Actors Guild (SAG-AFTRA) actors' union failed to reach an agreement in the US for better protections against AI for its members - and warned that "artificial intelligence poses an existential threat to creative professions" as it prepared to dig in over the issue. Duncan Crabtree-Ireland, the chief negotiator for the SAG-AFTRA union, criticised producers for their proposals over AI so far. He said studios had asked for the ability to scan the faces of background artists for the payment of one day's work, and then be able to own and use their likeness "for the rest of eternity, in any project they want, with no consent and no compensation". Obviously, the threat from generative AI plays a role in the sister writers' strike as well: Hollywood Writers Strike Over Pay Disputes with Streaming Giants, AI Concerns

Overkill for gaming, and there is a risk of the higher capacity modules being slower than 32 GB kit. Only upgrade above 32GB if you see your system running out of RAM.

This is just one retarded CEO's dystopian vision with the company ruling the world (AI replacing people, the cloud replacing traditional computers etc.), and it will fail, unless people continue to behave like the funny sounding fluffy animals and still use their products despite knowing what they are up to.

Yeah, you couldn’t make this up - the baby scumbag is complaining the fired “useless” people went ahead and launched a competing product elsewhere….