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Also great, I mean either is fine in practice. The recommendation I've heard in the context of mining was to keep the GPU under 70C for any long term use. If we were to draw precise comparisons, we would need a few more pieces of data here: ambient temp, noise level (dBA) and ideally extra electricity required to achieve the given temperature (e.g. someone could be using a 500W cooler/aircon unit).

40C 🤣

I presume that the external reservoir setup makes the maintenance that much easier, or does it not matter?

Pretty cool, thanks for sharing. Can't really fault this kind of look: With 18 fans this will cool down anything. Nice job with the reservoir extension too, the whole setup has a mildly mad scientist vibe to it. I like 🙂 Edit: BTW For those less mechanically equipped I assume there are some external reservoir stands too? Overall this stuff basically solves multi GPU cooling without limited and dubious top-bottom in-case radiator setups as per LianLI D001 (or something like that).

Apart from the copying issue, how is 22H2 performance looking in gaming for instance?

Ha. I'm liking the idea of liquid cooling more and more. The main problem with the external radiator grid I've found so far is aesthetics. Didn't anyone come up with a nice chassis for this, for those who don't have the time/skills/tools to make one?

Not all apparently, only the ones involving their products 🙂 Apart from the somewhat unsightly external multi-radiator grills, there are the freezers - this is supposed to generate just 20 dBA noise, less than the new EVGA fans 🤣 https://www.aquatuning.co.uk/water-cooling/radiators/chiller/7248/waterchiller-hailea-ultra-titan-150-hc130-110watt-cooling-capacity?c=2745

Alright, that's good - the nightmare scenario is the installation failing while unattended. So was it worth it in the end? For me the extra hassle (and perceived risk) never seemed to justify the effort however, I am beginning to see the appeal, especially given the fresh realisation there is the distilled water / low conductivity liquids option. Of course, looks like a decent CPU+GPU loop would cost a good few hundred $. Can you even cool someting like a 3090/4090 + 12900KS using a single thick 360 radiator? At the moment the CPU AIO coolant temp is maybe around 35C, so seems like there is headroom. Edit: Nope, need two radiators therefore a new case or one of those external radiator setups...: https://customerservice.ekwb.com/hc/en-us/articles/205235861-What-size-radiator-do-I-need-for-my-system- Gosh, that's fugly... sorry. The other question is: how often does one need to service the setup? AIOs claim 5 years+ lifetime.

You're right of course. There is actually another header (which confused me) but it's not powering the fans, it's just for the RGB. Sorry, I couldn't actually look on the other side of the case so took a bad guess 😕

Must have been a bit annoying/laborious to deal with. How long did it take for the leak to develop?

Could you please explain this build a little? Where does the black tube go? An uber external reservoir/pump/radiator presumably?

This looks really tempting, but wouldn't there be more of a leak risk when going with budget components? For me the biggest draw would be the ability to use slim liquid cooled GPUs, but that seems to involve custom water blocks, at least for the 4090 so far?

Interesting point, but it seems that fans and pump can't can be independently controlled on the Arctic. Anyway, good thing it's so quiet it can also be run at full speed no probs (as I have to do anyway) 🙂

Not necessarily. Some fans are louder along the entire RPM curve. In other words, you might need to turn them down to a much lower RPM point (obviously resulting in worse cooling) to achieve the same noise level as fans with better accoustics. If you look at the specs, even if you turn the EVGA fans to the minimum, they will still be louder than the Arctic fans at max speed.

Ah, you're right. Still, those seem to be very loud fans. The fans in Arctic Freezer II ARGB are 0.3 Sone which apparently is 10.6 dB... I understand that the impact of RGB on fan characteristics has more to do with the additional resistance / airflow disturbance caused by the LED+wiring. The amount of heat emitted by these in operation is negligible.

My bling bling was already on, but then again there is no cooling issue to worry about at present. If there is in the future, the RGB fans will be the first to go. Whether they are good or not depends on the criteria, but yeah, they look quite powerful. That said, they don't specify noise levels, probably for a good reason 🤣

The new bling bling will look nice in open/glass cases, but will probably provide slightly negative value in terms of cooling performance. RGB fans perform strictly worse.

Fun, but ultimatley close to worthless video, even if not fake - yes, if you are GPU limited a faster CPU won't help average FPS much🙂 Just 3 more days to real benchmarks people! This will turn out to be a good upgrade for both professional applications and enthusiast gaming. A healthy boost in clocks plus the 60% increase in L2 cache size (and potentially the stock 5600Mhz DDR5 support) should translate to meaningful improvements. I am just a bit worried about the L3 cache. Unfortunately, with the likely 5 month+ gap between this and the KS, a purchase will be hard to resist especially for those in an urgent need of a CPU power boost.

"The RTX 4080 12GB is a fantastic graphics card, but it’s not named right. Having two GPUs with the 4080 designation is confusing." Translation: damn, this Ampere stock really isn't selling and we refuse to discount it because the ever so pleasant memories of the glorious mining bonanza are still too fresh. Consequently there is no point in releasing a $1k Ada card yet, let's go to plan B and kick that can down the road under a plausible pretence we had cleverly prepared as an option in advance. Nvidia RTX 4080 12GB performance mirrors RTX 3090 Ti without DLSS 3.0

Feel free to post links in German, bro @Papusan does it all the time🙂

Yeah, I'm not too worried about the 450W limitation Kitguru reported, and indeed 12VHPWR support out of the box in any form is very nice vs the 4x Nvidia adapter.

BTW Guys imagine what would be happening if mining didn't die. Jensen would be the richest man on the planet, and the RRP of the 4090 would be $4090 🙂 Have a good weekend!

Some ATX 3.0 PSUs are beginning to pop up, e.g. here: https://www.thermaltake.com/toughpower-gf3-1650w-gold-tt-premium-edition.html Obviously this is lower tier than the Dark Power Pro, and no actual stock yet. Also interesting to look at MTBF numbers given: Seasonic Prime - not stated Toughpower GF3 - 100,000h EVGA T2 - 100,000h Corsair AX1600i - 100,000h BeQuiet Dark Power Pro - 300,000h My old PSU only has 3x6pin and 3x8pins so can only run a 4090 in 450W mode. TBH should be enough for my purposes, so indeed can sit on this for now. For an obvious example: miners run ran such loads en masse. Anyway, if there is a need to do that, it's best to run an oversized PSU - for efficiency, longevity and low noise's sake. So even for a 800W load, a 1600W PSU is not a bad idea as these PSUs have optimal efficiency around the 500-800W region.

Makes sense. For me reliability is super important, need to investigate this aspect and generally go through more reviews. My feeling about the Corsair is that it uses bleeding edge digital tech which clearly performs very well in tests, but is less battle-proven and possibly reliable as a tried and true classic analog tank such as the EVGA T2. I was hoping to get it over with and go with the mining veteran, but turns out the retailer has just one last open-boxed unit, don't really want that. Will have a think, clearly no rush - no 4090s in sight lol (and strictly speaking I don't need one this minute). My current Toughpower has served me for over a decade including long periods of heavy 24/7 use, and Thermaltake is pushing out new models with 12VHPWR sockets (1600 GF3). Another option, although it's only gold. This is why PC building is so much fun 🙂

Yes, looks good and seems like Seasonic has good reputation, but this but this caught my eye: https://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/zardon/seasonic-tx-1600-titanium-power-supply-review/2/ Considering the added performance bonus of these high-power units, we included a PCIe 5.0 12VHPWR connector cable harness in the packaging box. This enables: the TX-1600 and PX-1600 to support systems where the AIC (Add-In Card) is up to 450 W Same for Corsair and Be Quiet - they supply those 12VHPWR adapters plugging into just two 8-pin sockets on the PSU. Suspect. Clearly none of them fully support ATX 3.0 (that's expected with the PSUs which don't have native 12VHPWR), but the fact that Seasonic only claims 450W support for 12VHPWR connector is a particular worry and nonsense. Of course, it's not a showstopper since you can always fall back to the Nvidia 3x8pin adapter. Just customer complaints, e.g. some unhappines https://www.newegg.com/corsair-ax1600i-cp-9020087-na-1600w/p/N82E16817139226?Description=corsair ax1600i&cm_re=corsair_ax1600i-_-17-139-226-_-Product&quicklink=true And one here, not expected for such a product: AT1600i Stopped working after 5 months. Reviewed in the United Kingdom 🇬🇧 on 28 January 2019 Verified Purchase Worked fine for 5 months then the house fuse tripped. Unplugged computer, reset fuse box, plugged computer into the mains and fuse tripped again. I had the power switch on the PSU set to off at this point. Removed PSU from the computer the switch was in the off position, plugged in the mains cable and the fuse in the plug blew again and house fuse tripped. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-AX1600i-Digital-TITANIUM-Modular/dp/B078X274ML Repeated unhappiness regarding their RMA process,e .g. here