17 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

That's some seriously flawed logic. Just because a gpu happens to be the best makes it ok to be bent over? 2k just to have bragging rights on the bot? Oh, wait. ..can't have that either, haha. We wonder why prices for gpu's are so high? It's exactly from that type of thinking. Smh

 

I won't pay for an AMD card that's $600 over priced either, so your argument fails on that as well.

😎😎😎

My logic... I don't like MSI and below 4090 SKUs is in no man's land (disgusting price vs value). I haven't many options left outside continue play with my old parts. Thats the truth. I have tried 4090 Liquid X and returned it. And I won't re-buy that card evn its cheaper. So my options is quite limited. And I normally don't spend much money on graphics cards. Mostly $10-100 USD. So not so sure the reason for the stupid high prices is due me 🙂

7 hours ago, Raiderman said:

Only 2K....hahaha. No effing way would I pay that kind of cabbage for a GPU. Thats just plain silly.

You are sure you won't get better RGB show with $2000 cards?😀 Bro Fox, ready for the new "bright" future? 

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With such unlimited lighting customization options now available on your RGB palette, you can color your world with CORSAIR iCUE Murals Lighting. To download the latest version of iCUE with Murals Lighting, please visit CORSAIR.com

CORSAIR Launches iCUE Murals Lighting, a State-of-the-Art RGB Customization Software

Better spend less money and go with Sugar graphics card from AMD's partners? A hell lot cheaper. Only $1200 USD brother... Or $600 price premium over what its worth. I take that $2000 card any day 🙂

https://videocardz.com/newz/yeston-radeon-rx-7900-xt-sakura-to-launch-on-february-22nd-in-the-us

15 hours ago, ryan said:

20k woah...now thats some serious future proofing.

 

I can game at 4k with my 3060.

Try this one below🙂 And Nvidia/Jensen said their 3080@10GB (desktop card) was their new 4K flagship 2 years ago. Damn futureproofing for 4K (RT enabled - 15.0 FPS), LOOL

FPS = frames per second😁

Very enjoyable. And only god Nvidia knows how the FPS will fade away in newer games 2 years down the road. 

And where should we put 4090 Mobile@85-110W versions?

Hogwarts Legacy Benchmark Test & Performance Analysis Review - VRAM Usage Record

Atmospheric VRAM eater with upsampling fed up

ComputerBase takes a look at performance, image quality, ray tracing and upsampling in Hogwarts Legacy for the PC including benchmarks.

10 GB is no longer enough even without ray tracing in Ultra HD with DLSS at a sufficient frame rate. If the graphics card only has 8 GB, there are already clear signs of wear and tear in WQHD including DLSS, even without ray tracing, and even in Full HD one or the other texture is missing when playing. Ultimately, 8 GB and maximum textures are not possible.

On 2/8/2023 at 1:15 PM, kojack said:

It's the same broken record every time a new version of windows is released.  The only time it was warranted was me edition.  Every other version was awesome. VISTA and 11 being my two favourites.  

Yep, if you don't bother with privacy and all the bugs. Just enjoy your Win 11 OS. New has to be better @Mr. Fox @Ashtrix I will contimue with older and less bugged OS.

Windows 11: a spyware machine out of users' control?

Microsoft's latest OS starts collecting telemetry as soon as the boot process ends

Using Wireshark to check what a freshly-installed copy of Windows 11 was doing on a brand-new laptop, what they saw was eye-opening to say the least: just after the first boot, Windows 11 was quick to try and reach third-party servers with absolutely no prior user permission or intervention.

https://www.techspot.com/news/97535-windows-11-spyware-machine-out-users-control.html

3 hours ago, Reciever said:

Papusan, haven't had any issues on my end but I'll ask Hiew to take a look tonight when he's free from work. 

Thanks 🙂

This is just lovely. None of the last two gen Dark Kingpin motherboards work with the trashboat (Zotac 4090). How is this even possible? 4090 was out in October last year and now we are into 2nd week of Feb 2023. almost 4 months. And Dark Kingpin Z690 have been here over a year.

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/223312-z790-dark-kingpin-and-13900ks/

Edit.  @Reciever The forum have been lagging the last days. Not as responsive anymore. 

3 hours ago, VEGGIM said:

Are we talking about gpu wise. Or that the cpu can't go any higher. If it's the gpu. Then that's kinda on Nvidia. Cpu. Then I'd get it

With a abysmally low max power limits for the whole system, one of the two have to suffer. Feed the GPU with the max allowed 175w and the Cpu has to compete with rest of the hardware (included the screen). 

And with some of the new and shiny gamingbooks.... 2x M.2 slots in 18" chassis doesn't make them any better so quite tragic. 

Then we have latecy problems.... Not fun cope with your music on the $5000 purchase. Just lovely.

And the fun continue.... Voltage control is locked with both XTU and Throttlestop, but there is an undervolting option in the BIOS that allows for up to a -30 mV undervolt. And I expect the undervolt settings in bios will be a gooner before or later in same way as with the well known Plundervolt patch. Yep, we live in different times now.

6 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

MSI is as guilty as any company as it is beyond silly to sell the exact same power envelope as last year as revolutionary. They did not even bother to go with a small increase to let's say 260 or 275W as I can only assume that manufacturers have formed some secret cartel of mediocrity whereby no manufacturer is advertising more than 250W combined for CPU and GPU so that they can all continue to offer their thin and light "behemoths" as the gullible call them.

 

The result is that now we have 18" screen laptops with a chassis that has less volume than former 15.6" workstations.

Yep, even with a bigger chassis as the big hype... 17,3 now 18" chassis size they couldn't offer a increase in power. And bigger cooling cost money. This is intended... They want you back in the stores fast as hell when next gen crippled models is out. The more castrated... The easyer is it to push you over on next gen Jokebooks. 

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I have a set of beefy heatsinks sitting in the drawer for DDR5 modules already. I'll use them if needed but we'll see. Nice drop!

 

 

Right now, I'm waiting on a good deal for a used Unify-X or open box/used Z790i Edge. I have the G.skill hit along with some generic M-die sticks sitting around waiting to be pushed. I want to see how quickly my 12900k gives up the ghost before moving on. 🙂

 

 

 

Ack the crocs and crazy loud cooling on an SSD? NOooOooOoo............... 😁

Don't say you don't like my "All Black" crocs😁

I wonder if Nvidia will have the stomack to put it at $529. 4080 was 71% above 3080 so everything is possible

Even $499 would be a disaster price for 4060 (+51%). Could be they go for $429

This start to look as a comedy.... @Mr. Fox

Right after this and the whole 3D Elephant thread is closed down. 

On 2/3/2023 at 7:20 AM, Papusan said:

It may happen that we will land there... UL/Futuremark have the bad habit destroying own products (add in more and more monitoring/and other tasks in their system info software that will steal/eat even more clock cycles). And thats bad news for laptop benchers with already destroyed hardware from the OEMs, HaHa

Yep. And the new fix coming will also destroy your chances to get better ranking with your older HW. Maybe every single 3D benches on Hwbot and U/L Futuremark should be removed so the competition can be real/fair? 

This new fix just means that you will get even worse chance to beat others older scores regardless what new or older HW you use. Nice!!! Running UL/Futuremarks software will be more and more a disaster. 

FromUL/Futuremark.

Exactly what bro @electrosoft need. New HW to hide any Coil whine coing from his pc's. This just show how crippled Gen 5.0 drives will be if used in new modern Jokebooks. They can't cope with the heat without something has to be sacrificed.

No need to be bothered with Coil whine anymore bro Electro. Just buy new modern NVMe ssd's😎 And you don't need spend time with returns/RMA. So double win😁

CFD Gaming’s PCIe Gen 5.0 NVMe SSD With Active Cooling Is Crazy Loud, Fan Runs Up To 21,000 RPM

@Mr. Fox What is revolutionary with a power delivery system that can deliver up to 250W combined power in laptops? This is even less than what the single 980 laptop graphics card from 2015 consume by its own when oc'd. 

MSI's New Gaming and Creator Laptops: A Quantum Leap in Performance and Aesthetics
https://www.notebookcheck.com/Die-neuen-Gaming-und-Creator-Laptops-von-MSI-Ein-Quantensprung-in-Leistung-und-AEsthetik.688417.0.html

MSI OverBoost Ultra technology in the Titan GT77 HX is a revolutionary power delivery system that can provide up to 250W of combined CPU and GPU power for unhindered gaming and productivity on the go.

Early morning here. Time for bed 🙂 Yep, a fun small card. Worh every cent of that $7.79 I paid😁 GTX 590 $699.... RTX 4090 $1599. Time have changed the last 12 years. You got dual GPU's. Imagine the price for similar GPU setup with 4090. More like +$2500. And what with a dual 4090Ti (+$5000), HaHa

https://hwbot.org/submission/5193932_papusan_3dmark2001_se_geforce_gtx_570_175058_marks?recalculate=true

Here is an old review of the Gainward GTX 570 Golden Sample

https://www.fudzilla.com/24199-gainward-gtx-570-golden-sample-reviewed?showall=1

We managed to push the "GPU to 900MHz" and score better than the reference Geforce GTX 580. And I have already pushed it above 1000MHz 🙂 In the older days you could get top tier performance from the second tier graphics cards in the same arc. Not today.

Bro Elektro. Ready for some new pict of my "All Black" crocs and benches from new old? I thought it was time for some new nice pict for you😁

The new old have come to Papusan's plaza. A decent example. In nice shape and even with the don't touch sticker on one of the screws. And even better... Asic score 86.9%

On top. The card is never opened up... GTX 570 was released in Dec 2010, so I expect the card is from 2011 aka 12 year now, and run very cold with the orginal paste. I only needed go with some airflow from my AC duster.

A good start (stock vbios). +300 on the core clocks for GPUIPI 3.3.

https://hwbot.org/submission/5193649_papusan_gpupi_v3.3___1b_geforce_gtx_570_55sec_371ms

All Ln2 above... Can't do magic on Water and air😎

https://hwbot.org/submission/5193855_papusan_aquamark_geforce_gtx_570_558092_marks

https://hwbot.org/submission/5193790_papusan_3dmark05_geforce_gtx_570_84137_marks?recalculate=true

https://hwbot.org/submission/5193741_papusan_3dmark06_geforce_gtx_570_52247_marks?recalculate=true

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

Nice catch there! 470's had be pretty excited back in the day, still want to get my hands on those double ram capacity versions too

Yep, I have equal fun with the old as the new and shiny🙂

@Mr. Fox I wonder if #9 on the boot enjoying my new Gold equal as me

https://hwbot.org/submission/5192646_papusan_3dmark06_geforce_gtx_670_69263_marks?recalculate=true

12 hours ago, ryan said:

so we all benchmark but i was thinking why? do we have a pleasure pursuit or a work related reason....

Maybe both?🙂 

Someone stole my 2nd place. I stole it back😎

https://hwbot.org/submission/5192585_papusan_3dmark05_geforce_gtx_670_94079_marks?recalculate=true

Still no 4090 Strix OC for me😟 But this will be my new baby. Only $9.79 

Microsoft continue experimenting with their buggy trashware. They sink lower in QC and quality for each new day they work with their junk. I wonder where Microsoft got their software engineers. 

Windows 10 installation bug accidentally forces users to buy Microsoft 365

On 2/1/2023 at 7:11 PM, Aaron44126 said:

Two "Yes" buttons.  "No" button discretely hidden away at the bottom.  Yes.  Double yes.  This is the way to do it.

Microsoft continue experimenting with their buggy trashware. They sink lower in QC and quality for each new day they work with their junk. I wonder where Microsoft got their software engineers. 

Windows 10 installation bug accidentally forces users to buy Microsoft 365

35 minutes ago, MyPC8MyBrain said:

it would be much more informative if we could see starting, average, and final temps,

It may happen that we will land there... UL/Futuremark have the bad habit destroying own products (add in more and more monitoring/and other tasks in their system info software that will steal/eat even more clock cycles). And thats bad news for laptop benchers with already destroyed hardware from the OEMs, HaHa

5 hours ago, ryan said:

still experimenting with different drivers....perhaps one of you gentlemen could reccomend a timespy driver 🙂

You can start with release driver for your 3060. Newest doesn't alweays mean better. And work you upwards with NVCleanstall. Take only 5 min to install new drivers included your tweaks. No need to run DDU in-beween each driver install. Benching is lots of works bro ryan. And don't ask why I know😎

But check out the drivers used from the 20 best results from 3090@Time Spy and try them out (write them down on paper then check out eeveryone of them) https://hwbot.org/hardware/videocard/geforce_rtx_3090/ Click the rankings on right side for prefered benchmark and you will get the 20 best results.

Look at this old beauty bro Fox. The Caselabs chassis lacks modern connections in the front (due the old model design solutions), and I have the Corsair 1000D. But very tempting. Not everyday I see the old big glory is on the used market here home in Norway. Can't rembeber last time I have seen one.  6500 Nok = $647.31 

Review... https://www.xtremerigs.net/2013/01/31/caselabs-sth10/

A New Year Starts with New AM5 Options/AMD.Blog. Nice, The cat is out of the bag. If you want oc'ing features then buy the cheaper energy efficient 65W Ryzen models. Maybe Intel also should do the same? Pay less, get more😎

53 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

...........and another rig will lose Windows 7🤣. I might as well get a 7900xtx

Me sitting with my cigar Bro Fox, have you lost your mind?😜

2 hours ago, MyPC8MyBrain said:

it is clear that with recent years hardware heat issues are predominant,

for mobile users in particular it comes down to managing thermals efficiently,

with the base premise that heat is here to stay we need to manage it with tools provided,

 

yes in some situation it means mobile users will revert to per application profile,

for the sake of conserving i do the same on my desktop, with my desktop i also opted for a sleek small form factor i can keep on my desk, i was willing for that to take some performance/heat, the unit is custom built and spec'd to the max, it does "relatively" leaves maybe 5% performance overall on the table in favor of sleek case

MyPC8MyBrain. My previous post wasn't meant to offend anyone. We all have our own ways to tune our pc's. What works for mme may not be the best for others. I only post the way I prefer it should be 🙂

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am also going to be receiving one of these new products. More to follow in the near future.

I might actually be able to use the 3.5-inch drive cage/caddy in the basement of my Corsair case with this. (Can't with the 1600W PSU cables coming out of the PSU in the traditional fashion.)

 

Damn happy I don't need have to struggle with this. I can even add in a second +1000W PSU and still have enough space for double up of cables. 

And the small 16-pin 12VHPWR don't use much space. Could have 10 of them in the front of the box and still not use much spece. Big is better. Always better in all ways. 

3 hours ago, Etern4l said:

With all due respect for the bro YT influencer there, as someone who makes system config changes relatively infrequently, I'd rather have the cables tucked in and out of sight deeper inside the case rather than all exposed on the side in a rather unsightly manner and potentially interfering with the side panel.

This design change bode very bad. More cramped boxes will see the lights. And the chassis manufacturers will forget inovate for those that want big and beauty. This direction from Corsair reminds me all too much of the changes to the worse in the laptop world. 

15 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I have a hunch that ASUS has temporarily stopped making them because sales are too slow and not many people are willing to pay stupid 4090 prices

I think all of the AIB partners are being conservative on production so they do not end up having excess stock they can't move like what happened with so many 30-series cards that are still available.

Yep. All to try max out profits. But I have no hurry. I upgrade at my own pace. Their problem, not mine.

Could be Asus don't have enough good binned chips for their flagship. If this is the case, I'm happy with the direction they have chosen.

AMD is 'undershipping' chips to keep CPU, GPU prices elevated

AMD joins Nvidia in "undershipping" chips to balance supply and keep prices higher.

https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-undershipping-chips-to-help-prop-prices-up/

LOOL. The premium chips first for maximized cash grab. 

“This Ryzen 7 7800X3D will be the chip to beat, as it will offer the lion's share of the X3D's gaming uplift, but come with the lightest price tag of the three. Therefore, it's no surprise that AMD will release this chip last to maximize sales of the pricier models”.

The first two chips will arrive on February 28: The 16-core 32-thread 7950X3D at $699 and the 12-core 24-thread Ryzen 9 7900X3D that weighs in at $599. The eight-core, 16-thread Ryzen 7 7800X3D arrives on April 6 for $449. This represents anywhere from a $100 to $180 premium over the street pricing for AMD's non-X3D versions of these chips.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-announces-ryzen-7000x3d-pricing-dollar449-to-dollar699-starting-feb-28th