Papusan

New has to be better. Huuh? change only for the change often come with downsides (Engineers doesn't always see their own stupidity).
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-16-pin-12vhpwr-cable-connection-guide-for-geforce-rtx-4090-rtx-4080-owners/

AMD gear up before the launc of their new graphics cards😄 

AMD Exec Burns Nvidia Over Melting Connectors

And Nvidia will offer a huge performance uplift for their 4060. Whats the point upgrade from 3060 to 4060 if this will be the end results? And why buy 4060 over a discounted 3060 if that happen? People want new so you may be able to find a cheaper used 3060 forwards. RT is pretty useless for this type cards, so...

GeForce RTX 4060 could be 20% faster than the RTX 3060 with a bigger price tag and lower power consumption

After the launch of flagship RTX 40 models from Nvidia, the wait has begun for affordable RTX 4060 SKUs that are expected to start showing up next year.

 

GPUs are headed in the wrong direction theverge.com

Editorial: Nvidia’s latest flagship RTX 4080 and AMD’s RX 7900 XT are inflated more than inflation itself — and that’s not normal.

 

We’re in the middle of a dramatic economic downturn, if not an outright recession — we’ve had 15–16 percent inflation since 2020, when Nvidia and AMD released their last flagship GPUs. But the RTX 4080’s starting price is 71.5 percent more expensive than the RTX 3080. AMD’s 7900 XT is 38.5 percent more expensive than the 6800 XT.

 

When my colleague Tom reviewed Nvidia’s new graphics card, he did find it 50 percent faster than the previous generation, but such gains aren’t unheard of gen-on-gen without a corresponding jump in price. And I’d argue that performance is almost beside the point. Both Nvidia and AMD regularly release uber-enthusiast class GPUs like the 3090 Ti or Titan with excess memory and / or exotic cooling for those who’ll pay for every scrap of performance, but the 4080 and 7900 XT aren’t those: they’re the “normal” flagships, and both companies are now targeting that kind of GPU at a more exclusive audience.

 

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

And so far no one is blaming the customer yet, but they are replacing most if not all the cards that have burn marks.. So an inconvenience, Yes but still standing by the user error customer.

 

Hell, I have to make sure I don't become that guy my damn self! 😂

If nvidia have denied replacements for burned cards now... It would be bad for the reputation. But what will happen a year or two forwards? 

HaHa😃 The first I would look after when I buy a used 4090 card... The 16-Pin '12VHPWR' connector😄

The added fancy features as Ray-tracing save nvidia's day. 

10 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

not sure this is an indicator yet for the 4080s "popularity", rumor mill so far says that the 4080 stock on launch was waaaaaaaay below 4090 levels and sometimes non-existent in some shops. so with just a handful of cards around ull always find some idiots grabbing those to be "first" 😄 also cuz its "new, shiny" and, of course, always better (= new!) 😛 

None know the sales numbers, but I think Tomshardware senior editor have more info on this than the average Joe. New will always sell out.... so...

On 11/15/2022 at 3:39 AM, Mr. Fox said:

Love the opening comments. They apply to many aspects of the OS.

 

 

Microsoft change all the time so why bother with the beta OS ? You never know what you get in the next Windows Update. Win 11 is as a ticking bomb. And often updates that no-one have asked for.

Windows 11 KB5019980 replaces search bar glass icon with a new large text button

windowslatest.com - November 13, 2022

 

Windows 11 KB5019980 is available for users outside the beta testing program and it comes with a lot of features, including tabs support in File Explorer and more. KB5019980 is a mandatory security update published......  In other words, t’s likely that you already have the update applied to your system and changes like tabbed File Explorer or taskbar overflow UI are now live. Yep, security Updates is well worth to install (sarcasm).

4 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Do we know who bought them? Gamers or scalpers?

Does it matter? They all will go to gamers. Mining is dead as you know 🙂 Nvidia and their partners will be happy anyhow.

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

So let me ask you this....Is he right in doing so though?

 

And it's a pretty safe bet to wager that no one is going to fess up and say it was their fault.

Maybe this is the answer for your question?😁

Food for thoughts... Nvidia and it's AIC partners could just deny replace the cards and put all the blame on user errors. Just say it is nothing wrong with adapers or the power connector. This will put Nvidia in better lights regarding saving own reputation. Just put all the blame on the consumers. The comming  press release about the smoke and fire can easly be watered down to nothing like this: A very small amount cards failing is to expect vs how many cards produced and sold. End of press release. People will buy it anyway.........

RTX 4080 Too Expensive? Gamers Say Otherwise, as Cards Sell Out Within an Hour

NVIDIA GeForce Graphics Drivers 526.98 WHQL

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/nvidia-geforce-graphics-drivers/

You can find the NVIDIA release notes here.

See also here.... NVIDIA GeForce 526.98 WHQL driver download & Discussion at Guru3.com/forum

Please post your results. I wonder how much this new Nvidia driver will destroy for the users. And be careful if you have the new 4090 gaming flagship from Nvidia.... Minimum one quality fire extinguisher right beside your PC is mandatory😁

GeForce GRD 526.98 Feedback Thread (Released 11/16/22)
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/game-ready-drivers/13/504470/geforce-grd-52698-feedback-thread-released-111622/

Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) V18.0.5.8 

And Techpowerup released a new verion of NVCleanstall v1.14.0 today (16 Nov, 2022).

v1.14.0 (November 16th, 2022)

• Fixed driver update check not working
• When a driver update is detected, try to not disturb gaming and delay showing the notification popup
• If rebuilding the digital signature fails due to disabled KeyIso service, show a proper error message
• Added an option to skip the "unsigned driver" warning, when EAC-compatible signature mode selected

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

I love the beginning of the video where the cable is basically hanging out in order to get it to burn up. 

 

Failure Rate of 0.05 to 0.1%. And then of that small percentage, what percentage is because some people drew the short stick in the thought department. 

 

 

24 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Wow! So some users will not be happy about this if the manufacture decides to use this approach to deny a claim.

28 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Oh I'm making zero excuses for Nvidia. They are behaving exactly as I would expect a for profit corporation to behave. Their objective is to sell and maximize profits.

Not all corporation will increase prices on own new products with +71%. Wouldn't it be  nice if Nvidia also added the 71% premium for 4090?😁 Yep, we would see 4090 cards at +2550$ MSRP. Or custom Asus 4090 Strix at 2900$. This without help from the miners. Only own Greed. Even nvidia would see this would look stupid in reviews. And 4090 Ti would come at +3400$ or +3700$ for the better custom cards. Even Nvidia can see own stupidity. Better milk the average gaming Joe. He buy it anyway.

And will the notebook OEMs add a 70% premium for next gen gamingbooks? Wouldn't it be nice see an Alienware 17 inch jokebook go up from 4900$ and passing +7000$ ? 😁 Run and buy, LOOL

5 must-know GeForce RTX 4080 details: Overpriced by $500

The GeForce RTX 4080's performance went up over the RTX 3080, but its price went up waaaaaaaaay more.

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

Sorry if this is obvious, but you can prevent Windows update from updating drivers by a simple Local Policy setting.

 

Speaking of Green Goblin/Ngreedia - how long has it been since the 4090 release? I haven't seen 4090 FE availability in Nvidia store even once. Yet eBay is chock-full of FEs from scalpers. The fact that Nvidia has taken no steps to prevent this (e.g. the subscription service EVGA offered during the mining shortage) puts them in the same category as those scalper lowlifes. 

Hi. I'm fully aware of all this. I usually close all doors and only upgrade needed Windows patches as standalone and with network closed. As well disable everything that can trigger automatic updates of driver, software and firmware. But I wanted to see if Win update had a driver I couldn't find. As you can see from my search... This was expected from Microsoft🤮 And as usually you never find what you want from Redmond retards. But they is able to continue offer an bios upgrade that Asus should have removed from Microsoft servers already in August. But this is still offered machines who already have newer firmware. Can't beat stupidity.  So both Asus and Microsoft is a disgusting and a awful partnership. 

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

So it has begun. Nvidia's 4080 has a TGP of 320 but Nvidia has limited it. Apparently, "recently" Nvidia changed how their cards boost. Before, Nvidia's cards would try to adhere to their TDP while under load and even try to go above it, with performance to go with it. Now the TGP is the LIMIT, so with the 4080, it will try to avoid going near the 320W TGP cap. 

 

I told you guys that Nvidia was going to nerf the power draw of the cards. They haven't figured a way to do it with the 4090 (at least the batches they have already sold) but watch the next batches that make it to the public have different performance deltas compared to the ones people have. They may sneak a vBIOS update in their drivers, you never know. 

This is maybe a good thing for Nvidia. Low TGP and power consumption may help nvidia to avoid adapter bend-gate 2😁

08:25 - Embarrassingly Bad Value vs. RTX 3080

Don’t be a sucker and pay $1,200 for this card. Don’t be a sucker and buy a 2-year-old last-gen model at full price. Either buy an RTX 4090 if you want no-compromises gaming and creation performance—or wait to see what Radeon offers this time around, or wait for Nvidia’s prices to potentially fall after it sells through that mountain of older RTX 30-series cards. Because a 71 percent (71 percent) price increase for a 30 percent performance increase ain’t it. That’s harsh, but it’s true.

Again, Nvidia is asking for 71 percent more cash for that mere 30 percent uplift—$699 versus $1,199. At the same $1,199 price, the RTX 4080 is only faster than the RTX 3080 Ti by single-digit percentages. That’s absolutely insane and aggressively insulting to PC gamers. You should stay far, far away from this graphics card at this price.

More awful tech news:

And Intel is lured to hire Dell's VP for Dell Alienware gaming division....

Dell spew out their useless Alienware VP's into main hardware manufacturers. First F. Azor over to AMD, now Vivian into Intel. But this doesn't make Alienware any better. A new DELL AW VP will drag the Alienware brand further down in the dirt. Because Alienware is Dell. Not the opposite. Yet another reason to avoid Dell graphics. Nothing awesome will come from DELL. What a failure done from Patrick P. Gelsinger, the CEO of Intel.

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

Finally got the Aqua Computer high flow NEXT I bought on the used market here home. Below half price. Works as it should. But Aquacomputer is a disgusting company. They have a license sub for their software after the free one year after purchase of your 100$ gear. Yep, 1 year sub and 10$ = 12.5$ with the nice Norwegian tax on top here. Imagine if Intel have done the same... Sell you an 600$ cpu and you have to pay 12.5$ every year to be able to use etc XTU or other software for your processor. Would people be happy paying Nvidia extra $$$ for their nvidia Experience software every year after purchase of their graphics cards? But no problem... The flow meter screen show what any bloatware can measure. And it’s nice you can turn of bling bling lights on top of the flow meter. Also check the water quality etc. Most can be done from there. So, I like it as is 🙂

Here is how the disgusting service/license from Aqua Computer works. I really like the High Flow Next but the awful idea grabbing even more money when you have already paid a lot for the hardware is is a let down....  https://licensing.aquacomputer.de/shop/aquasuite/de

And if you pay 3000 nok or 300$ for their D5 Next pump with leakshield you run into same disgusting experience. Aqua Computer will also charge you 10-12.5$ each damn year if you want to use their software for their high end 300$ pump.... Greed have no limits!!! Yep, you don't need it but people will jump on it anyway. Hence Aqua Computer can and will continue with this awful practice. 

Edit. Btw... Asus is equal retarded as well.  Asus should be aware of this stupidity.  Yet, Microsoft want to give you unwanted updates with blessings from Asus software/firmware department. This old buggy bios version have been on Windows servers a long time. Asus could have asked Microsoft to remove it but they don't bother. Asus = Dell nowadays. 

If you have a newer firmware, Microsoft prefer that you update with blessings from Asus. Wahts wrong with todays tech? 

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I wish I had a bunch of those EKWB. They are very expensive though unfortunately. I think $28-$40 dollars each? But yeah I’d love to have about 10 of them. 

 

EDIT: I just shipped off my 13900KF. I ended up selling it to a stranger on the forums for $1,200 USD who was attracted by its low power abilities which were fully Prime 95 stable. Honestly, I could care less personally. I know that I had a blast testing it. Now I get to test another one, I think that’s the most fun. So I went ahead and ordered another 13900KF from Newegg. 
 

I don't think you'll have to pay that much. And there are different brands that have similar (and I don't think the quality is so different). Dazmode have a lot for water cooling and from all known brands. And you have so many stores in U.S, so...

Congrats on the sale. Double the price was correct put. And you have decent cooling so any Cpu bin will works out for you.

Be happy many of you don't live in a tax hell. 

European Retailers Slap Premiums on Nvidia RTX 4080 Graphics Cards
The best price we have seen in Europe is £1,166 ($1,368). This without taxes. In best case will a 4080 cost 1710$ here home😁

People like to living on the edge. Why follow the guide-lines for the Nvidia bend cable smokin nightmare? But small cute and pretty surpasses common sense. I expect most people have an fire extinguisher, so. But not nice be put on hotel Chrismas holidays😀 I prefer be home with fam and eat good food and not be out in the dark looking at the stars and fire.

On 9/21/2022 at 7:23 PM, johnksss said:

Here is to give you an idea. (This is also based on who considers their LPM to be the correct one)

In my case my max flow rate with no obstructions, but still long tube length. (Like 12 Feet of tubing) 3 D5 Pumps.

Example for conversion is 6.2 LPM=372 LPH

LPM

 

GPM

 

Hz

 

This is 1 pump

LPM

 

GPM

 

Hz

 

Now with the GPU and CPU and Filter with 1 pump.

LPM

 

GPM

 

Hz

 

With 3 pumps.

LPM

 

GPM

 

Hz

 

 

 

Edit:

Single pump with 2 1/2 feet of tubing is 4.9 LPM

Swiftech D5 pump.

Finally got the Aqua Computer high flow NEXT I bought on the used market here home. Below half price. Works as it should. But Aquacomputer is a disgusting company. They have a license sub for their software after the free one year after purchase of your 100$ gear. Yep, 1 year sub and 10$ = 12.5$ with the nice Norwegian tax on top here. Imagine if Intel have done the same... Sell you an 600$ cpu and you have to pay 12.5$ every year to be able to use etc XTU or other software for your processor. Would people be happy paying Nvidia extra $$$ for their nvidia Experience software every year after purchase of their graphics cards? But no problem... The flow meter screen show what any bloatware can measure. And it’s nice you can turn of bling bling lights on top of the flow meter. Also check the water quality etc. Most can be done from there. So, I like it as is 🙂

One pump connected... 270-275 l/h or 4.5 l/min. Yep, the max l/h bragging from any pump vendors sales page or many review sites is pretty useless. Igorslab reviewed this flow meter vs his expensive flow meter tool. Fairly accurate measurement from his testing. So this is it.

Fake numbers from reviews of single D5 pump with full water cooling setup.... 100-300 l/m is to expect from a single pump. Results will depends on how the custom cooling is setup. Not this pretty work of art below.

Bro Fox. I like the EK-AF Angled 2×45° adapters. I prefer these over the short sharp right angled 90° fittings. If you have the needed place in or outside your chassis then the slightly bigger arch can reduce the unwanted sharp 90° angle to help reduce water flow restrictions. Maybe not the big gain with one or two but if you need a few of those 90° adapters for your custom cooling then I expect it will help on the water flow.

Jayz think Nvidia can't handle a class action lawsuit. Better Nvidia being damn quiet about the burning 4090 Hell right now 🙂

From 16:30

And Nvidia trust own fire adapters more than real cables from 3rd party vendors. Isn't that cute?😀

"I tried again to see if another Nvidia rep will give me a different answer but I received the same statement "Please do not buy any third party cable. It may void your warranty".

On 11/4/2022 at 9:52 PM, jaybee83 said:

anyone else wanting to switch from AM4 will likely choose AM5 due to platform longevity

Will AMD screw up once again and offer high core counts processors every second year forwards? Mid-cycle upgrade will be for gaming and low end processors. If so, the AM5 platform longevity will be less of a value for those that prefer high core count AMD processors. And 8 cores Ryzen x800 series processors are replaced with x700 SKUs. 

AMD Ryzen 7000 3D V-Cache CPUs Rumored To Come In 8 & 6 Core Flavors, A620 Chipset & Next-Gen APUs Planned For Mid To Late 2023
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7000-3d-v-cache-8-6-core-cpus-ryzen-7000g-apus-a620-chipset-2023-rumor/

The first and most obvious one is the Ryzen 7000 3D V-Cache lineup that was confirmed by us to be unveiled at CES 2023. It is reported that the lineup will have only two parts, an 8-core, and a 6-core variant. So it looks like we will be getting the Ryzen 7 7800X3D and the Ryzen 5 7600X 3D more or less.

22 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Thank you. They are all white. -?- Do you see another color that I am missing? The only thing not white that I can see is the ASUS trademark ugly red Q-code LED. I wish that was white like EVGA.

 

 

Hehe. For me it looks more light bluish White 🙂 Maybe the picture lure me. And yep, Asus should made an option so you could swap to white Q-code LED. Let it be red default but people should be able to change color. 

Edit. Checked also the pict on my phone. For me it look as llight blue White color. Also the clear tubing may lure me. I prefer all black and some white lights. Quite sure the tubing is to blame for the weird color (at least it looks weird for me).

Yep the reflection from everything in the chassis may change somewhat the colors. Could also be the shadows. But when I see directly in the fans (part of it in the middle, not senter) I can see more or less white lights. 

Probably, the ligts and shadows from the photo shoot that melt into together. Even the water in the tubes have same bluish colors.  Dificult for me to explain it better.

The color in the chassis reminds me more about this...

27 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, it would be great. The problem is I do not think anyone makes a bare die frame yet. I don't want to leave the CPU loose in the socket because the risk of bending pins is too great. And, I don't want to strap is down with Kapton tape. Even though that will work, I don't like the ghetto duct tape, bailing wire and chewing gum can fix anything approach. Based on how well the 10th Gen Supercool Computer bare die block worked I was excited about using it for 12th Gen, but the 12th Gen version of it sucked. Probably tried to repeat the design for 10th Gen on 12th Gen and it didn't cool the CPU worth a darn.

---

OK, a bit of an update. I am learning to how overclock DDR5 on an ASUS mobo and that's not as user-friendly as MSI and EVGA. Work in process on that.

 

I stayed up all night (haven't been to sleep since Thursday night (LOL) modifying everything. Almost there. I love how much room there is in th 5000D now. It should be large enough to have this much space loaded with dual 360 or dual 480 radiators in push/pull  with two pumps and reservoirs. Small cases suck real bad. I know some people view the 5000D as "big" and they are entitled to have an opinion, but it is a  mid-tower and they are never big enough. Nice case, but small enough to make it suck.

 

I need to replace the tubing on the return line with something more rigid. The Corsair soft tubing is super soft, which is nice to work with. But, it is too soft and collapses on the return line with both D5 pumps running. I guess the flow is high enough that the tubing is too soft to hold its shape. Also, the way I was planning to power the external radiator pumps and fans didn't work. It couldn't handle the power draw needs. So, I am going to have to use a separate PSU like I did on the MO-RA setup. I ordered a cheap one on Amazon for that and should have it tomorrow. For now, I ran a spare SATA and molex cable from the internal PSU outside of the case for the pumps and fans and have the side panel off to accommodate that until I have the cheap PSU from Amazon.

 

Here are some photos. Once I have everything the way I wanted I will post more. The radiator will be behind the case instead of in front of it like it is at the moment.

 

The 1080 Nova is a nice setup for the price. It lacks the quality of the MO-RA, but based on price I cannot complain. The housing is both good and bad. I am glad I bought it, but it's kind of rough around the edges (literally). The scratches showing on the desktop were cause by those sharp edges. You get what you pay for in terms of finish quality.

 

Beautiful setup bro Fox. But all white lights would be better 🙂 

The beauty is put in the details (picture). Will Nvidia try a new redesigned power adapter/connector before they change the vBios? Or will they just jump directly on the firmware? 

Fully Connected 16-Pin Connector On The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Ends Up Melting Too
https://wccftech.com/fully-connected-16-pin-connector-on-the-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-ends-up-melting-too/

Nvidia ‘still investigating’ RTX 4090 12VHPWR adapter issues
https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/matthew-wilson/nvidia-still-investigating-rtx-4090-12vhpwr-adapter-issues/

Unfortunately, the update doesn't contain many details. In discussions with Nvidia PR, we were told: “We continue to investigate the reports, however, we don’t have further details to share yet. NVIDIA and our partners are committed to supporting our customers and ensuring an expedited RMA process for them”.

Mobile processors follow the same paths as for laptop graphics cards. Worse performance vs desktop counter parts. Worse in every way. Laptop jockey's will lose more and more performance than needed for each new gen HW.
More here... 

A small note. Today, Sunday Nov 13, is the Father's Day here in Norway. Already started on the cake (5:52 AM so good night) 🙂

On 11/11/2022 at 12:08 AM, Mr. Fox said:

The same people have surprised looks on their faces when the turdbook they bought, that is as cute as a bug on a rug, overheats, thermal throttles, has lackluster performance, is difficult to service, dies prematurely and costs a fortune to repair because they have to buy a mobo, CPU and GPU even though only one of them is dead.

And worse it will be bro Fox. Much worse.

Yep, Mobile processors follow same paths as for laptop graphics cards. Worse performance and specs vs desktop counter parts. Worse in all ways. Laptop jockey's will lose more and more performance for each new gen HW.

Mobile Raptor Lake CPUs may not offer substantial multi-threaded improvements over Alder Lake.

So it seems that, for better or worse, Intel decided these mobile chips did not need more E-cores or P-cores.

Core i7-13700H, Core i5-13500H Retain Same Core Count As Alder Lake Counterparts tomshardware.com
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/core-i7-13700h-core-i5-13500h-retain-same-core-count-as-alder-lake-counterparts

And you can see the same pathern here as well. Even worse beacuse mobile processors won't get same treatment. Laptop jockey's will also lose performance vs the same mobile Cpu soldered in this cute mini Nuc box from Intel...

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/10243/intel-nuc-12-enthusiast-serpent-canyon-sff-pc/index.html

7 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

They’re not round tube design like the Mora3’s. But hey! It’s $130 dollars lol. I have (2) of them, and I’ll eventually get around to running both. But the truth is one alone has been very sufficient. Right now I’m running my 13900KF at 5.8/4.5/4.8 with 1.285V in the bios, with 25.5c water I reach a maximum of 80C on my CPU during R23. Can’t beat that. 

Yep, they are cheaper. But you get a  lot for the money. I often buy used parts to cut costs. More expensive doesn't always provide a huge gain. Some want the most expensive parts even if the gain is minimal. 

47 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

lulz, just another strat right out of Intel's playbook my man. tell me, how many times have Intel pulled exactly the same thing? now for the first time in ages Intel is finally competing on value cuz they didnt have any other option left. but investors are already angry because they dont like the smaller margins... that should tell you Intel will not be able to keep this up for long

 

https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/intel-ceo-says-job-cuts-are-on-the-way-as-costs-are-too-high-and-our-margins-are-too-low/

HaHa. I think own fab + own packaging is cheaper than have to buy everything from 2nd hand factories. This is the reason AMD needed higher prices for own products. With worse times it will be harder for both make huge profits from less sales. And if you have too much staff, then you have to adjust it. The whole tech sector is in deep problems now. People have to buy bread and butter before they spend money on thing they may not need. So higher margins doesn’t help much if the volume is low due less sales (less people want to spend money). It’s about finding the right balance. Too expensive will only push people away from spending money. Nvidia etc sell out their new stuff. But this won’t last. New is only new with launch. And not all will buy cards around 2000$. 

16 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It looks good and I have no doubt it is going to be great. I won't know with 100% certainty until it is hooked up, but there is no reason to expect anything short of excellent.

Water will stay a lot longer in the Mo-ra due it's internal design so it should cool better. But you pay a higher price for this feature. Looking forwards to see your finished setup bro Fox🙂

25 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Getting a little bit closer. Banshee isn't going to have to swim in his on own radiator farts too much longer.

 

Have asked about buying this board on the second-hand market. I'll see if I can get it. Under half price vs new (barely used). Support DDR4 and not DDR5 but this should not be a problem. I am going to set up a reasonable gaming machine for my eldest son. Any suggestions on OK DDR4 (32GB)kit? Need to be a kit from the QVL list. My son will use it for gaming and for the usual on the web. He is not a tweaker. The board will cost around $160 here home. New is +350$. Yep it's an Asrock Z690 Extreme but an older used Asus Z390/Z490 board is at same or sligtly higher price here on the used market. So the price ain't bad. And he will get my golden 12900K and cooling for cheap. Target is Cyberpunk at 1440P with a mid end graphics card.

Edit. I'm looking at led strips to have some lighs in my chassis. All white. No need for color change features or installing awful software to make it work.

I have this option here home... akasa Vegas LED Strip Light White Bundle

Corsair 1000D is a big chassis. The Akasa led strips above is only 50 cm long (without connectors). I'll need 60 cm long led strips to fill each side (without connectors). Any suggestions? Cheap, all white and bright. Most likely brand name due limited parts supply here home. And I I prefer Magnetic attachment. Thanks