9 hours ago, Raiderman said:

I have a box packed somewhere that has soft tubing, and fittings. Many of these kits I have looked at are way overpriced for what they are (as usual). Not sure if its cheaper to piece my own kit together, or look for one that comes with everything. XSPC used to make a really nice kit, at an affordable price, but I cannot find those anywhere.

Make you an build guide. Then check what every parts will costs from a good quality manufacturer. 200cm Tube is more than enough. Then compare what it totally will cost you. A bonus advice as last. Buy spare parts. You'll need it 🙂

1 hour ago, 1610ftw said:

 

Yeah, the Delta can probably given that it is rather overbuilt but I can understand that manufacturers would not want to get into trouble by allowing a higher sustained power draw. As all manufacturers are affected by more power hungry CPUs since last generation it would not hurt if they could just agree on some kind of top of the line 400W+ GAN power supply form factor that would still be smaller than the current Delta unit. People who find big power supplies impractical for travelling can always get a second smaller one of let's say 240 or 280W if they need something more compact on the road.

 

Nothing stopped the laptop manufacturers in older days offer sustained power above 330W from the power adapters for older laptop models. Only the new and modern have a power cap well below the PSUs specs. Or around 250W. There is a major difference between +330w of sustained power vs castrate it at 250W from same type and brand power adapters. But I expect the power delivery welded on the tiny and cute MB in new and modern laptops is of cheaper quality to cut costs. The power delivery is most likely validated and built for higher peak power but not for higher sustained power above 250W. It's what it is. New and modern to cut costs.

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

 

But wait... LOL... there are ROG smartphone dumbphones now. This is no shortage of filth for stupid people.

 

Where is my barf bucket?

Asus cater to different all types people nowadays. I forgot it bro. Sorry. I see you need it😎

On 3/24/2023 at 6:01 AM, Papusan said:

Asus closed down their forum for over a month for this new disaster. 
 

Yep, Asus just follow Microsoft. All is about phones and tablet nowadays.... 

Whats wrong with people nowadays? It seems all is grown up with smartphones and small tiny tablets.  

"Flere unge kan ikke lenger bruke en vanlig datamaskin" Direct translated into English below....

Several young people can no longer use a normal computer (behind paywall)

https://www.aftenbladet.no/lokalt/i/OrWanO/flere-unge-kan-ikke-lenger-bruke-en-vanlig-datamaskin-holder-ikke-med-et-kurs

There you have it bro @Mr. Fox Please can you tell me how a PC looks like? More like this? Maybe I'm too old to understand all these changes. Yep, definitely.

On 3/23/2023 at 9:20 PM, 1610ftw said:

I read somewhere else that MSI intentionally crippled their CPU because their power supply cannot keep up. They would need a bigger power supply or a Y-adapter and two power supplies but they are obviously too cheap to pursue any of those solutions. Instead they use the ancient 10+ year old 330W power supply design that everybody has used starting back in the days with Clevo and Alienware.

 

You can see here that the GT77 could draw more than 400W but it is artificially crippled in order to not allow that power consumption for more than a few seconds:

No need to cripple an 330W Delta PSU. It can handle power spikes above 400w and stay loaded well above 330W the whole day. 

On 3/26/2023 at 12:16 AM, KING19 said:

 

It looks like it only affects the Razer Blade 16 and not the 18 as proven here with the same exact specs. He also tested the Blade 16 too and yeah its pretty crippled

 

 

 

What I see is a Cpu that stay in the low and middle 3GHz. Not the way I want to see my processors in use. This isn't much more different than previous gen laptops with Dynamic boost. An awful tech to save money and make all laptops as Apple clones. 

And it seems Dell continue offer 101C as temp target. So woorse than the Razor-books. Can't beat thermal engineer Travis North's fantastic thermal engineering on Dell's gaming flagship. What a Joke! Dell even locked you out from undervolting, LOOL

From 1:02.20 Reset bios back to factory settings and send it back to Dell Alienware, LOOL

See also the talk about Dell Alienware Command Center. What a disgusting mess.

The silicon lottery is real. Have it been this bad as with this new gen nvidia cards the last 4 years or two gen graphics? I talk more about the vram lottery. The so called best binned OC cards being crushed buy vanilla $1600 gamer cards. I really hope Micron soon get some competition in the high end.

This variance isn't acceptable. You pay extra for OC cards for a reason. And not only for the better cooling. The OC tag means more than fancy cooling and back plate.

7 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Got it, just a bucket of Norwegian snow somehow pushed into the loop then 😉

 

 

Yeah, I saw that one being advised, but given that I'm not making a gasket here (quite the opposite?), I went with the red Weld Silicone RTV sealant variant (but now will probably just use the Super Glue Gel as recommended by Rockit and @Mr. Fox). Also the "4 drops in the corners" advice is different to what @Mr. Fox is suggesting, which is just 2 little drops under the wings which makes sense to me. I'm wouldn't be relidding for resale, so would just want a minimal, easy to remove bond.

Never assume all boards have exactly same readout of voltage. And as I said the +1.52v you see from some CPU-Z screenshots isn’t the voltage they run at 🙂

Same also for Jokebooks. Mostly VID is showed and not real core voltage. What you see is what you think it is 🙂 

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

Nice bro. Max core temp 77C at 1.4V... Hmm, how, other than LN?

Asus board has the diesense reading so the voltage you see is socket sense which is much higher. Load voltage is closer to 1.350v. 
 

And if you see voltage reading at +1.52v on a few screenshots it doesn’t necessarily mean you run voltage at that level 🙂
 

Then you have what priority you run the benchmark at. Above normal task priority in task manager the reading of temps and other values will be different/skewed so they won’t be 100% correct. 

1 hour ago, ryan said:

As for windows 7 I really hope windows 12 is just like 7.

I have just an average and non delidded 13900K. Not the nice delidded KS as bro @tps3443 tested. But the results is still quite ok. I would probably get +6.1GHz in CBR-23 if I had it delidded and run direct die. It's what it is🙂 Sp111 on the P-cores so nothing special. Those will go into the Raptor refresh.

https://hwbot.org/submission/5234780_papusan_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_core_i9_13900k_45337_cb

On 3/23/2023 at 7:11 PM, cylix said:

Lol Linus got hacked by crypto scammers and channel is for now banned 😂

Maybe Linus and his workers should be more careful what they click on? 

"We can't blame YouTube for someone getting infected with malware, but we can lean on them to make the hacker's job a lot more complicated".

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

This is only an assumption. It could be accurate, but we have no way of knowing. And, they may not even have the ability to fix it, especially if it involves solving someone else's screw up. If they agreed to try to fix it, then I would probably have to send them the GPU to use for solving the problem because fixing something that is broken that they cannot see or touch would be hit or miss.

 

ASROCK says it is not compatible, so that tells me it was something deliberate. Just because it works on the Strix Z690-E does not mean it would work on a different model of ASUS mobo. It is probably an ACPI implementation thing, but it could be something that is not obvious.

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

 

Hmmm, I forgot it worked on the Asus board. So @Papusan might be right. Perhaps, Asrock placed some kind "flag" on the card. Asus may not choose to see this flag or didn't implement a check...whereas EVGA does. So I am 80% confident it is the ACPI implementation the more I research this issue on my own.  

Dosn't matter if you chose the older Asus Z690 or newer Z790 boards. It just works. Probably because Asus is a bigger company and with more oc'ers that help with the firmware. Thats EVGA problem. They are too small. They lack resources and HW for in-house testing. This is also the reason they always come late to the party with the new and shiny.

And don't forget... We can even install older Win XP on a few OC motherboards.

See... Probably the reason Intel have hurry throw out Raptor refresh early this year. They aren't finished with next gen chipset and processors so they was forced to push out a refresh of the refresh. Buying a KS now so late in the 13th gen lifespan is for me stupid. Buy the refresh or just use what you already have.

12 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

Have you contacted EVGA about this? I mean I know the official stance is Windows 7 is no longer supported but i am sure they may point you in the right direction. Obviously, they know the majority of their Dark buyers are overclockers and Win7 is something a lot of them use for certain benchmark suites.

This is on their table. It's the EVGA firmware that don't play well with all graphics cards. There is is even oc'ers that had to sell their Dark board or their new graphics cards to have a chance to play with their new siny +1500$ cards. They have to fix this. Not the consumers.

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

Brother@PapusanI found the fix for the Micro$lop Office text rendering corruption and artifacts. The new driver did nothing. The fix is called NVIDIA, LOL. Put the 3090 K|INGP|N back into my work computer and everything works correctly now.

Maybe you should enjoy the AMD driver forum on Guru3d.... https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/amd-software-adrenalin-edition-23-3-2-whql-driver-download-and-discussion.447162/

But........... for the fix. Send a blessing to Jensen Huang😆

Regarding forum. Yep, even kids have manged better than this from Asus. Even babies. See and learn how not to do it @Reciever @Hiew This is pereverse. 

https://rog-forum.asus.com/t5/promotions-general-discussions/new-forum-appearance-worse-than-previous/m-p/918833#M54477

Asus closed down their forum for over a month for this new disaster. 
 

Yep, Asus just follow Microsoft. All is about phones and tablet nowadays.... 

23 hours ago, Papusan said:

New or newer has to be better. Always, LOOL

20 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Windows 7 FTW! Modern filth is for silly people with low standards.

Flashed latest bios from Asus. And gues... The newest fancy touch friendly Tile box OS from Redmond struggle with new hardware. Shouldn't it be opposite? Nope. All older OS have no changes but not the latest and greatest from Microsoft. So it has to be true that newer has to be better, LOOL

@Etern4l I think ring is 45 for default 13900K. It show 50 default ring on Asus board without load.

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

No, but it hasn't seen enough use yet for me to comment. It has been in use only a couple of weeks. It was brand new before I installed it. Seems like a very high quality GPU block to me. I really like it.

Thats great 🙂

So todays question will be about quality. ASUS have gone totally bananas and manged to fully destrooy their already awful forum further. When do they reach the bottom? And in the work to make it worse, they deleted my nice puking avatar. But hey, they at least managed to get rid of the email notificationl I never was able to delete from the settings. So one step forwards but 10 or even 100 steps backwards. Asus forum is now on level with Dell's. Can't be any worse than this. This is damn perverse. 

New forum appearance worse than previous

Anyone else thin the new lool is worse, information wise that is? Can only see 5 threads per page and that only shows when it was created not when last comment was.

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Side Note:
I have more respect for Bykski than ever now. I've used their fittings and other things for a long time and they're fine, but I love the GPU block. It fits great and works absolutely wonderful. I think they'll be my first choice for GPU blocks going forward. Looking at photos online where they are sold doesn't do them justice. The look pretty unimpressive in photos, but in application they are excellent. If you get one, be prepared to figure things out based on experience. There are no instructions. And, there are no screws (at least in my case) to attach the backplate to the GPU. The included screws were for attaching the block naked, with no backplate. That's weird because the backplate is included in the kit. (Might have been a packaging mistake, but the Barrow block I purchased for the 4090 Suprim also included a backplate without the screws needed to attach it, and the stock screws would not work in either case.)

Do you see the same? 

1 hour ago, ryan said:

Wait wut..why would he be banned 

How do you spell "violating" ? And I don't talk about violin 😎 

On 3/22/2023 at 5:52 PM, 1610ftw said:

Those GPUs can have a lot of thermal headroom with good cooling as they only need 175W

Yep, just cripple the Cpu, LOOL

What is base clock speed for Intel Core i9-13950HX without Turbo boost? 2.2GHz? So close to 2.1 GHz on average for the Cpu in gaming tests has to be good. The Cpu reach almost base clock😎 @Mr. Fox

Is this a Joke or relality?💩

This is nice. GPU clocks and power remain relatively stable during The Witcher 3 stress at 1080p Ultra. The average CPU package power gets further reduced to 42.7 W allowing the RTX 4090 to comfortably coast around the 157 W mark on average. Both the Core i9-13950HX and the RTX 4090 clock close to 2.1 GHz on average.

Razer Blade 16 Early 2023 RTX 4090 Review: Core i9-13950HX beast with world's first dual-mode mini-LED UHD+ display

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Windows 7 FTW! Modern filth is for silly people with low standards. Time to step away from the frustration of benching a Red card for a few. This isn't even overclocked beyond my daily driver settings, LOL.

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5233200_mr._fox_3dmark___sky_diver_geforce_rtx_3060_ti_(ga104)_98703_marks?recalculate=true

 

Yees, bro Fox👍 And save this one for your next round with the Red card.

AMD Software Adrenalin 23.3.2 WHQL Released

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

4th for the old GTX 980 in 3DM Sky Diver😎 I may can squize out a bit higher Physics but that won't help much. I will now try with Win 7 🙂

https://hwbot.org/submission/5233141_papusan_3dmark___sky_diver_geforce_gtx_980_59637_marks?recalculate=true

New or newer has to be better. Always, LOOL

Win 7 bro @Mr. Fox Crushing that new modern touch friendly pastel colored Tile Box disaster from Redmond. 

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/sd/6397677/sd/6397692#

https://hwbot.org/submission/5233158_papusan_3dmark___sky_diver_geforce_gtx_980_60977_marks/

https://hwbot.org/submission/5233166_papusan_3dmark___sky_diver_geforce_gtx_980_61054_marks?recalculate=true

4th for the old GTX 980 in 3DM Sky Diver😎 I may can squize out a bit higher Physics but that won't help much. I will now try with Win 7 🙂

https://hwbot.org/submission/5233141_papusan_3dmark___sky_diver_geforce_gtx_980_59637_marks?recalculate=true

17 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Well, not really if AMD would be just catching up, plus they would keep all the money, and they would have probably been able to charge more for the overwhelming performance, just as NVdia does with the 4090... Sleep on it bro 🙂

 

Anyway, I look foward to seeing if DVLR not just a gimmick which does UV for me (which I am reasonably good at by now, by necessity lol, so wouldn't be that interested in this feature alone). 

What we will see this summer/fall... AMD will have to reduce MSRP on all their HW. AMD wasn't able to deliver what nvidia did with 4090 to keep Intel down from the Cpu performance crown. A gaming chips is just what it is in the name. Nothing more. Remember when AMD offered their first 16 core Ryzen mainstream chips. They keept the ugly MSRP sky high for a very long time. Now, not so much. That train has gone.  Nvidia do the same with their 4090 as AMD did with their 3950X. No competition so just let us sell it at awful high price. Only real competition can change greed to less greed. 

Intel need launch a cheaper Raptor refresh chips who offer slighly more all core perfomance than coming 7800X3D. With good 8 P-cores performance for gaming.

6 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Well, they could have just enabled it from the start. The overwhelming performance delta would mean nobody would buy AMD and as a consequence, their main competitor would suffer losses, and in turn Intel would make more money off folks who otherwise went with AMD. Intel management team does seem like a bunch of shifty tools TBH.

Its stupid not have something so called "new" to compete with. They do it this ways to try keep up profits instead for offering huge discounts when they see AMD sell loads of X3D chips.

And we all know Intel and.....

Equal as..... See the blue box

1 minute ago, Etern4l said:

 

Which is already in Raptor Lake but disabled. Great. Was that another one of Raja's brilliant business ideas perchance? 

For what I remember they are fused off for today's chips. Intel know AMD come with X3D chips this spring and they had to offer a competitor. Barely good enough to compete in gaming but meant to be more powerful in everything else. The god news... You can still use your old MB.