Papusan
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1 hour ago, ryan said:
thanks @Papusan
I thought 30 days.
turbo causes the cpu to overheat but I expected that from a laptop with a i9 13900hx. in the end its faster than a 12th gen i9 even when underclocked so its not a deal breaker. performance is incredible I remember @tps3443 posting crysis benchmarks and thought about what it would be like to have a computer like that. I honestly dont know how the heck to optimize this thing.
get good cpu performance/average overall performance/gpu performance. pick one ha. so yeah its a bit frustrating finding out the cpu is locked.
Spend the remaining days well and think tvice or tripple on what to do. See bro @Prema running 14th gen mobile (14900HX) with equal cores but custom firmware in his laptop... https://hwbot.org/submission/5552602 Then compare with the results from your 13900HX
GTX1070 - 3rd place 3DM 05
https://hwbot.org/submission/5556639_papusan_3dmark05_geforce_gtx_1070_113601_marks?recalculate=true
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2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:
Yes, I understand. We think the same things. But, I still blame NVIDIA for creating new problems where no problems existed before. And, there are many very big tower cases that were big enough before the stupid 12VHPWR adapter was forced on GeFarts AIB partners and PC owners. If you have a big PC and a big case that you like, an E-ATX motherboard and a fancy cooling system, having to purchase a different large case only for 12VHPWR side panel clearance and a different PSU to have a factory 12VHPWR cable really sucks and it was an unwarranted business decision that was a very crappy thing for the Green Goblin to do. There was no benefit whatsoever to consumers with these frivolous design changes. Consumers received nothing from the design changes except for unnecessary added expenses, hassles and inconvenience.
This would be like a car maker changing the wheel hubs from 5 lugs to 6 lugs and if you had to replace one hub because of a bad wheel bearing you are forced into buying three matching hub and bearing assemblies and four new wheels that you did not need.
Nvidia made the pcb design for cost cutting. And there is no space for 3*8 pins on such small pretty v-shaped pcb design. We should be happy AIB partners still have an opportunity to make custom pcb design. They should also be allowed to use the needed 8pin connectors to power the new graphics cards.
And for chassis… We now see a small change how some design the chassis. More and more chassis comes with wider (dual chamber) chassis. I just hope they take into account the width from the board to the door. But don’t expect every chassis makers really understand the problem with width for new cards (You can’t cure stupidity). New cards come up to +15 cm in width. Then add the stupid connectors and the cable bend ratio.
if you look at etc Dell they have started make angled 12+4 pin power connectors and custom small cards because they want smaller cute puke-boxes. I hate stupid customers who can't grasp that modern high performance hardware needs to breathe. They destroy for all. Same happened with laptops. Soon we will se the same sadness for high performance desktop systems. The Apple trend need to be stopped.
Back to some beauty. The The Northern Light flash up here in Sothern Norway. Enjoy the colors🙂
https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/RzRjkd/kraftig-nordlys-i-soer-norge
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4 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:
A bigger chassis is always better for a high performance PC. But, you know not everyone thinks as we do. Someone that likes or needs a smaller case could still appreciate the position of the connector. Even with both of my very large cases, the 12VHPWR comes close to the glass. If either case were an inch narrower it would be a tight fit. That's because the 12VHPWR connector is a idiotic design and a fool's invention no matter how you look at it, not because the cases are made incorrectly. Cases should not need to be redesigned because NVIDIA forced an abortion on the industry. But, they do need to be because NVIDIA did.
I still do not understand why some of the AIB partners didn't ignore the mandate and use 3x or 4x of the legacy 8-pin power connectors and tel NVIDIA to stuff it up their tailpipe. I wish they would have.
If they still want to keep their small nasty Jookebook chassis. They will be limited to what they can find of new cards. Almost as proprietary design. You can swap parts but you have to look after "special" versions of all new graphics cards. I don't like it.... Because we may see alll AIB partners cut corners and castrate the cooling... Need to fit into next gen trash-boxes. Nope... This is not for me. I like it big. Big or better is better... For me 🙂 I also hate sit into baby cars. I need room.
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15 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:
I not sure how much difference in cooling there would be. Maybe none. Or, maybe more than one would like. Hard to know how much difference there would be. If I were using it there would be a waterblock installed, so the benefit of the power adapter location would be more important than the effectiveness of the stock cooler.
The 3rd fan is only useful for half of the cooling capcity on the 1/3rd of backend of the card. I hate such trade-off.
If you need more space in your chassi to bend the power cable correct... Then buy a new bigger chassis. A cramped or small chassis will hamper the cooling.
Lesser is less whatever you say. I want more. Not less.
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52 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:
That video does a great job of showing why buying an NZXT pre-built is a good option as far as other pre-builts, using off-shelf parts and 2-year warranty. It's a bit more expensive than building your own but for someone that is scared to try it is a very good option. Totally upgradable without proprietary crap parts.
Yup. Because there is some very overpriced pre-buil systems with worse value for the whole system. This isn't the oc'rs dream but a good options for gamers. And you can throw out some parts and make custom loop later.
Here's from where I built my sons pc with NZXT box.
52 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:I just noticed the orientation of the 12VHPWR cable on the Gigabyte 4080 Super. At first blush this strikes me as being a a whole lot better than facing the side panel. It solves the sharp bend problem. I had not noticed Gigabyte has done this. I wonder if any other brands have? Between this and fixing the weak area around the PCIe connector, it seems like Gigabyte is making an effort to improve things. We can't say that about most things lately.
I have posted about this Gigabyte solution in the thread. I don't like that they cut of some cooling capacity for changing the location on the power connector. I don't like such type trade-off.
And use a copper plate instead for vapor chamber is a shame for a 4090 tier card.
Gigabyte Shrinks Cooler, Relocates 16-Pin Connector on Revised RTX 4090
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1 hour ago, ryan said:
should be easy selling my omen for 700-900 cad with its 2tb evo and 64gb ram.
Or just return the new one and sell the Omen. Then you are even closer to get a decent desktop build. But that’s me🙂I built a PC system to my middle son with NZXT chassis a year ago. He is still very happy with the build. But that one was with a full custom water cooling. Not with an AIO as this one.
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22 hours ago, ryan said:
Its by what I gather a flawed system, but what isn't.
Acer Predator
paid 2997 all in no tax.
Its double the performance, so basically I can do 4k gaming the same as my 3060 does 1440p.
stock I got 19000 in time spy so thats a good baseline.
50k has been broken about 10 times so I guess im like 6th in firestrike gpu and I havent even set up the laptop, just messing around trials, will be putting in my 4tb 7400mbs ssd soon and using a fresh install of windows with my tweaks, should be able to nudge a top spot and get over 22000 in timespy
52 minutes ago, ryan said:im not going to lie, I agree with mr fox on this one. I had 0 good options locally. If their was a 3080 desktop locally with say a 3080 at around 2k I would be using that right now. yes inbeciles buy 3k laptops that overheat and then complain about performance but sometimes its not stupidity but rather a lack of options. impulsive and stupid don't always go hand in hand and unfortunately I think this time it does. I called visions and they seem evasive on whether or not I can return it due to isanely high temps(not a thin and light/locked underclocking). I think I might have to pass on this laptop
if I am able to return it.Here we go. I visited the shop you bought it from posted above.
Computers, Tablets, Chromebooks
- Home Office Products including Laptops, Desktops, and Tablets may be returned for refund within 15 days of purchase.
- Laptops, Desktops, and Tablets must be factory reset prior to return.
- Printers may only be returned if they are unopened.
- If a printer is defective after it has been opened, it must be serviced through the manufacturer directly.
- Software: Computer software, Gaming software and Movies (DVDs or Blu-ray Disc) cannot be returned once packaging has been opened due to copyright laws
- Consumable products such as drum cartridges, toner, ink, and paper may only be returned if unopened.
2 hours ago, Papusan said:Don't forget the return window🙂 Goes faster than you think. And don't blame yourself for being impulsive. You aren't alone and You can always regret and return it to sender(to the shop).
I have returned 3 processors the last 8 months. I just can't accept pay for tech that is failed, not up to task or are just junk. And no one should.
On 5/7/2024 at 7:18 PM, Papusan said:What a tradeoff. Corsair upgraded RGB control over offering adequate cooling for the GPU's power delivery. Yup, also this one follow the new modern tech trend. Disgusting. And with a price of 5,499.99 euros this is closest you can come perverse. For the records.... 5,499.99 euros is $5,920 USD
Corsair One (i500) in the test: Wooden reboot with hot 4090 and restrained 14900K computerbase.com
Regression in graphics card VRM cooling
Unlike the i300, Corsair no longer cools the VRM (voltage converter) of the graphics card, which has been deprived of its air cooler, in the i500 using its own active cooler - the manufacturer has not even installed passive heat sinks.RGB lighting with touch controls
The RGB lighting of the Corsair One has also been upgraded: In addition to the two decorative strips on the front of the case, the new One has “underbody lighting”. There are also white LEDs as a “reading lamp” on the back to illuminate the I/O panel.See also my comment here.... From Tomshardware review of the expensive junk from Corsair.
From the review. "If you're looking for an attractive, pre-built gaming PC that will fit on your desk, the Corsair One i500 is worth considering. That is, if you can afford it. Corsair is only using top-end parts here, and the $3,599.99 starting price is a lot of money for most people"
This one is hard pass. Too expensive and with awful cooling. Why reccomend it... This one I don't understand.-
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On 5/8/2024 at 11:43 PM, Mr. Fox said:
Brother @Raiderman is going to love hearing he won't even be able to get Windows 10 drivers. Hopefully they will be easy enough to mod for Windows 10, but the Redmond Reprobate Cartel have been pretty effective at going full-psycho-Nazi on blocking Windows 7 driver mods.
Not sure Windows 10 will work properly with new Ryzen chips. With AMDs software/driver and bios mess don't have big hope for a decent experience.
I'm sure bro @Raiderman looking forwards to next level of greed and stupidity from Microsoft. This is just disgusting. Microsoft will do whatever they can to make Windows as the main ad channel. They have collected so much info about you the last years with their telemetry in later OS that they will now use it for whats worth.
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57 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:
Yes, we still have some pockets of remarkable intelligence that includes many of us here, and others like us. But we are a minority and have been largely displaced by imbeciles that value form over function and lack basic technical knowledge and skill as it relates to the hardware that made it all possible. Things have only gotten worse and we haven't found the bottom yet.
57 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:I used to even call myself a gamer, but times have changed and a new era of stupidity has dramatically changed the demographic.
P.s. The sale of my 14900K is finished. And I got my money yesterday 🙂
1 hour ago, ryan said:oh i know bro. ill be the first to admit it was dumb. impulsive monkey move. i can test it out and if i really get the urge i can return it. your standards are higher than mine. im happy with less. newer is always better lol. honestly 20k isnt bad is it. what could i get for 3k
Don't forget the return window🙂 Goes faster than you think. You can get/build a nice desktop pc for $3000. And you'll never look back on laptops. + you can still use your old laptop for portability.
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16 hours ago, ryan said:
overall im happy with the purchase, its not that I didnt want a desktop its just that for the same price i get something i can move around and has a built in display, the miniled display is what pushed me over the edge to buy it because typically miniled 4080 laptops are in excess of 3000 usd and 3000 cad is a heck of a deal.
@ryan isn't it cute? You spend an arm and a leg on a new gaming Jokebook and now has to expect more appealing ads in your expensive AAA games you paid a lot cash to play. Yees, gaming will be much more tempting in the future. Ads in the OS and ads in games. + ads in software and drivers. Ads everywhere. When will we see real time ads created with AI in bios settings menu? And how shall this go bro @Mr. Fox when the gamer kids has to ask mama what to do in bios to get more frames so you faster reach next level of ads?🤔 And is there no profits into creating and sell AAA gamer titles nowadays?
If they don't earn money on their expensive games.... Maybe start with something else? As etc create ads with AI for other companies for use on the internet or in the coming OS for Microsoft? Why pester expensive games people have paid a lot for? Hmmm. The modern tech trend continue roll. You can get sick from less than this.
Steam Deck update brings BIOS overclocking and improved graphics driver to SteamOS
"Advertising has an opportunity to be a meaningful driver of growth for us."
Todays fun video for the weekend😄
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3 hours ago, ryan said:
broke 51000 gpu in firestrike i think thats a first for this card
Thats great. Well done 🙂 But are you able to disable 3 of the E-cores in bios for running 3DM Fire Strike? If you can then you can boost Physics score as well the total score. Also try with Win 10. Did you run with 8 P-cores for FS? That will certainly boost your graphics score but total score will sink. Or it could be the damn hybrid power mess implemented in laptops.
Here yo see my bench with older 1070. See the physics score with 29 threads...
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49 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:
Setting AC and DC LLC to match each other at 0.01 has always worked great for me on both ASUS and EVGA boards. You are totally right about many (maybe even almost all) CPU stability issues the tech media is buzzing about are user-induced and caused by trying to undervolt their computer too much to make up for crappy cooling, or just because their friends on Facepoot say they need to. Yes, there are lousy samples... very definitely way too many lousy samples... but guess which ones don't respond well to undervolting? Yep, the crappy samples. They need more voltage, not less. And guess who wants to copy somebody else's BIOS settings because they don't know what they are doing? And, guess who gets upset when someone else's BIOS settings do not work well for their CPU? People that are too scared to try to learn or don't want to be bothered should buy a gamerboy turdbook or a console.
The users is their own enemy..... Nothing shock me anymore in tech world Should I use thermal paste between the die and the IHS after delidding ?
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On 5/8/2024 at 9:01 PM, Papusan said:
If the Cpu crash instead for throttling down speed and voltage (same as for cpu's in Jokebooks start throttle at 100C works time after time), the cooling ain't good enough or they really lost in the silicon lottery. Or got defective parts that need to be RMA'd. You have also those that play with AC/DC loadline paired with massive undervolt to try keep their Cpu's to run below 100C. As well awful bad implemented AI overclocking features. Yup, many roads lead to
RomeCrashesOne of the reasons you get different stability and that some bios versions is worse than others. The OEM play god with AC/DC loadline. Some users run into problems while others don't have problems at all with their processors. Of course some run into stability problems if they try use other user settings (or try random AC/DC values themself) or have an CPU that don't like undervolt so much. See also my bolded text in my reply above. When shall people start understand that Cpu's with exactly same V/F curve etc will work differently? Hmmm. A lot of the problems we have seen is user introduced. You can't blame all the problems on Intel/MB manufacturers if you don't know what you are doing in bios.
See from 18:30 or the whole video.
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Dell hack: Personal info of 49 million customers allegedly breached
Dell is warning potentially millions of customers that sensitive information including details of purchases and support calls the last decade are being trafficked on the Dark Web.
Dell warns of data breach, 49 million customers allegedly affected
Dell is warning customers of a data breach after a threat actor claimed to have stolen information for approximately 49 million customers.
Dell Technologies take your privacy and personal information seriously. If they did, then why the need for pushing out this message? LOOL
Dell doesn’t believe that there is “significant risk”. Of course they say so. Even stupids can see the truth in between the lines of the liars statement.
And can you be sure DELL tell the whole truth? Nope. Much more info about their customers privacy can have been hacked.
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15 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:
Below is what confused me. The specs mentioned do not match the information in benchmark links.
So, I am not sure why those specs are mentioned.
Yup he tried confuse us😃 But see.... best score out of like 40 000 submissions for 4080. im happy enough..this is not a benchmarking laptop. 100c yikes but we all knew this with these gamer girl laptops.(papusan).
Not a benchmarking laptop(these gamer girl laptops. papusan)... Because it run 100C😀 And who'm would castrate his 4080 card down to 175w ? Sure there are some that are willing to do that... But why buy 4080 cards then?
Both baby girl laptops or 4080 desktop cards capped at 175w is awful.
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3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:
Did you buy a desktop? What did you get?
Probably Acer (Predator) from what I see from the motherboard SKU. Aka Gaming Jokebook https://www.3dmark.com/fs/31774095
Still congrats bro @ryan🙂
9 hours ago, ryan said:lmao just getting going, havent even figured the wuss out..baby cores. top 3 for gpu score in firestrike
Disable 3 of the E-cores for 3DM Fire Strike benchmarks. But keep all cores for Sky Diver, TS and TSE. Disable all baby-cores for 3DMark11. Yup, the hybrid core mess from Intel ain't fun and happy benching🙂
QuoteSome Nvidia AIB partners washing their hands... It's user errors as Nvidia so sweetly said.
NVIDIA’s AIB Partner, Manli, Rejects RMA Request For “Melted” GeForce RTX 4090 GPU, Says Its “User Error”
At Quasarzone's Forum, an individual reports that he bought a Manli GeForce RTX 4090 that came 12VHPWR GPU connector, and he was told to use the GPU with included connectors or else warranty services wouldn't be entertained.
Does that mean you shouldn't or can't use the 12VHPWR cables that follow the different PSU manufacturers power supplies? If so.... Is the new ATX 3.0 + PCI-SIG’s PCIe Gen 5 standard useless? Because you aren't alowed to use their PCIe Gen 5 graphics cables.
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2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:
Other than Thursday and Friday, and then only because I had to use Windoze for Micro$lop PowerBI to create monthly reports for my employer's largest clients, I am starting on my third week of using only Linux for work. I did have to find and download a few fonts that are not native to Linux/LibreOffice so that the formatting of Word document templates isn't all jacked up, but other than that I have absolutely not had a need or an urge to Winduhz even once.
Linux will still be more and more valuable option for the AMD fans.... They will be forced to use Windows 11. Maybe you can find some mod drivers but as we know.... AMD isn't good at making drivers and software for their hardware. And chipset drivers is from what I know important for AMD hardware to work correctly. Doomed?
More crap. But from AMD this time. They licking Microsofts asssses. What's the problem offer Windows 10 drivers? This older OS is still not EOL when Zen 5 is out. Disgusting!!!
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More crap. But from AMD this time. They licking Microsofts asssses. What's the problem offer Windows 10 drivers? This older OS is still not EOL when Zen 5 is out from AMD. Forced to use an inferior OS is just awful. Disgusting!!!
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More crap. But from AMD this time. They licking Microsofts asssses. What's the problem offer Windows 10 drivers? This older OS is still not EOL when Zen 5 is out. Disgusting!!!
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9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:
Artificial intelligence is an adjective that accurate describes those who are promoting AI technology.
Apple claims its M4 chip's AI will obliterate PCs. Nah, not really
Apple launched its Apple M4 processor on Tuesday inside of the new iPad Pro, claiming that it can outperform a PC in AI. If true, it will only be for just a few weeks.
Then you have this....
Alleged Apple M4 Geekbench scores show incremental improvement in machine learning over last gen
1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:I haven't found any need to caps amps or power. I am running with both maxed out, and I am using my mini-ITX system with fixed voltage and 57x all P and 46x all E-core overclock and the RAM manually overclocked to 8200 with no stability or peformance issues with the EK 360 Nucleus. I have never, even once, needed to do such a thing, so there must be some really extremely awful silicon samples out there for anyone to have to do this because of instability. I could see where it might be necessary for thermal management if a weak thermal solution is utilized, but not for stability reasons.
Other than Thursday and Friday, and then only because I had to use Windoze for Micro$lop PowerBI to create monthly reports for my employer's largest clients, I am starting on my third week of using only Linux for work. I did have to find and download a few fonts that are not native to Linux/LibreOffice so that the formatting of Word document templates isn't all jacked up, but other than that I have absolutely not had a need or an urge to Winduhz even once.
I expect many that experience crashes use lower binned parts and not good enough cooling. We both know there is a major difference in bin quality for boards, Cpu's and mem sticks. Pair it with no clue how to use bios settings and you'll experience disaster. This is also main reason for some people experience problems with so called default settings with Intel's recommended power and Amp, + voltage bios settings. If the Cpu crash instead for throttling down speed and voltage (same as for cpu's in Jokebooks start throttle at 100C works time after time), the cooling ain't good enough or they really lost in the silicon lottery. Or got defective parts that need to be RMA'd. You have also those that play with AC/DC loadline paired with massive undervolt to try keep their Cpu's to run below 100C because of cheapo colling. As well awful bad implemented AI overclocking features. Yup, many roads lead to
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No, Intel isn't recommending baseline power profiles to fix crashing CPUs
Intel says that reports saying that it is recommending a "baseline" power profile to solve instability issues in its 13th- and 14th-gen Core CPUs aren't true.
Intel has denied a report saying that it’s asking its motherboard partners to implement lower, “baseline” power profiles to solve instability issues and potentially Nerf performance in its 13th- and 14th-gen Core processors.. Instead, it’s the opposite: “Intel is not recommending motherboard manufacturers to use ‘baseline’ power delivery settings on boards capable of higher values,” an Intel spokesman said in an email.
Intel issues official statement on Core K-series crashes: stick to Intel's official power profiles tomshardware.com| Today May 8, 2024
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2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:
Congratulations brother. You got a good price for it and it came close to covering the cost of your 14900KS. So it turned out that your 14900KS was better silicon?
Thanks. Happy I could get such money back. Yep better but not fantastic. The KS is SP105. But I can bench up to 6.5GHz depending on the benchmarks so not bad. Mind you I could get more out of it with direct die and delidding. But I won't spend more money on this platform. I rather hope I can get most of my money back in the used market if not Arrrow lake is a flop as it looks like. The damn AI hype is destroying the tech furture.
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It seems my 14900K will be gone tomorrow on the used market 🙂 I have reserved the cpu to the buyer today. The asking price was 6000. But we meet at 5500 NOK ($504 USD). The nice thing with the main used market here is we don't have to pay any fees.
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*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
in Desktop Hardware
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Did you run CBR-23 with realtime settings?
GTX1070 - 2nd place 3DM 06 Right below LN2 on 1th 🙂
https://hwbot.org/submission/5556669_papusan_3dmark06_geforce_gtx_1070_90881_marks?recalculate=true