KMikhail

Howdy, I've got the IoT 2021 iso image, with setup that accepts the IoT key I have. To be honest, the main reason behind it is a rock solid removal of ReFS options from W10Pro, which I do depend on (plus the IoT license was 11$, pro for workstation with secure payment is 25$ and more). However, upon non-fresh install the first option is greyed out and I'm left with files only / fresh install options. Will it really get rid of all my (pretty large and intricate) library of apps? Best, P.S. Apparently it has forgotten VersionID being changed to EnterpriseS. I changed it back and it can maintain apps as well.

I'm honestly surprised to hear about 1050 Ti (Pascal gen) being compatible with 4800. I used Gelid as well, but there are special phase-transition pads for the CPU and GPU crystals. Regards

Generally, Pascal generation cards don't work in 4800. T1000, T2000 is the next bet (but require different nvidia thermal tube system part). HP versions, if I understand correctly, aren't perfectly fit physically and require some office knife use, plus don't have an X bracket on their... back, which makes whole all assembly tricky, but they work. Industrial, non-HP, versions, judging by the photos, are more plug-n-play. Did anyone figure out how to get best performing fans for certain (as not all vendors ship the best ones)? Along with best thermal pads (size / vendor, as some are claimed to be fake)? Best,

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Aaron, My journey into M series began with 6700 and I was literally stunned by a) Wide Gamut RGB Led screen (which I have calibrated) - it was nearly hurting my eyes with incredibly saturated reds b) configurability of the system. I bought it to finish my research calculations and it did it just fine (plus it was my birthday). But sometime later the screen stopped turning on once in a while and several service men couldn't really fix it, they swapped out quite a bit. In the end it was exchanged for a new 6800, but its (sRGB) screen was downright poor for both long term work and color sensitive work, so DELL was super nice to exchange it for 4800 (w 4k screen), with a CPU upgrade to keep the system at the same introductory price. Display has some dirt screen effect (pretty much absent in 6700 RGBLED), but the colors and detail' finesse are great. It really is a shame they went with less flexible setups (so the system is lighter and smaller), instead of improving the system within the same size. However, we have to keep in mind the systems are often bought by companies for a higher end positions, rather than for engineers and scientists. Just imagine how much more powerful (or quiet) it could have been, given the progress in thinner modern laptops. But I digress. No thunderbolt, no new performant mxm cards and no pcie nvme, older usb, DP and hdmi do really hurt upgradability. I wish 10gbe would be a standard now. It feels like I could keep it for far longer, as for most aps the cpu is adequate, since many of them are accelerated by gpu nowadays.

Actually, I've taken a closer look of a picture of what is offered as a "HP ZBook 15 Fury G8 NVIDIA RTX T1200 4GB GFX CARD - M76117-001" and... it is really a M2200 image. Even worse quality, than some ebay M2200 images.

The hp t1200 I've seen on ebay seemed like a regular size mxm, not requiring pc modding. It has close to 2x performance of m2200. 4gb is disappointing for Txxxx level.

The fact the price is high doesn't mean anybody will buy @ it. More over, the prices are often widely distributed. I've bought M2200 for $100, when some tried to sell it for $200. Since then (after a year), I've seen it at around $50. How about selling K2100 that's in my drawer and sits there just in case if M2200 fails? What I'm saying is paying $300 (and even $200) for an obsolete, albeit X1.8, graphics performance at some point will make no sense. $300 is a price of 8TB (one of two) that I might consider (to replace my 2+2 RAID1) and this might improve quality of life quite a bit: 1+1 RAID 0 and 7+7 RAID 1 partitions. That's faster than my system SSD and enough storage that will actually hold all of my media, that is otherwise kept on external RAID6 (+back up). 8TB will not be obsolete from a volume prospective for quite some time, only from an interface perspective - but it fits 3.5" HDD slot with a caddy, so it will live long enough to be sold later. Hence, my gist is - nope. One T1000 that's on and off market is not a HP or DELL, but rather something like https://www.aetina.com/products-detail.php?i=425 and those start at thousands as they are marketed for embedded, long-term support applications. I presume it is sold now off the channel, since the initial support has ceased to exist and they are trying to make anything they still can, mostly by probing ebay, since they likely have a gazillion of cards from many, many generations. We got to keep in mind, MXM is compatible mostly with pretty old systems and there's a lot of better and not much more expensive models in between them and what's current on the market. The obsolete models are constantly pushed back. Regards, Mikhail

The reason I haven't bought one is: M2200 is several times faster than original K2100, while T1200 is less than 2X faster than M2200 and still has the 4GB, which is a bit low for many applications. A2000 8GB would be much more appreciated. As much as I'm satisfied with M4800 (apart from lack of fast usb/tb/dp/hdmi ports and ssd interface), it is not worth to buy parts that would not be possible to sell later, and will go down with the laptop. Even SATA SSD will bear some value after a few years. MXM video card? Not so much.

Ebay. I think it was an HP model and by the looks of it, it doesn't require the (not so welcomed) cutting of the M4800 plastic internals.

Meanwhile, I've spotted an T1200 MXM card, costs around 200$. The T1000 MXM looked actually like the one of the previously super expensive semi-embedded solutions, so I wonder how much time will it take for the RTX A2000 MXM 8gb to appear on the ebay? A2000 should be a good tep up from the Maxwell/Turing generations.

Yes, it makes more sense to invest into expensive pcie counterparts within long-supported laptop, not sata ones in an old one.

Most expensive upgrades are more expensive than the laptop itself and not transferrable to a next one. I'd buy 2X 8TB SSD, but at 900$ total it makes no sense since they will be stuck with the obsolete M4800. So, you can improve performance, but at much higher cost than the laptop and in an obsolete format.

As wonderful as it sounds, we might never see those cards in an appropriate combination of compatibility acceptable cost. Used M4800 could be bought for a couple of hundred bucks nowadays, which makes even performance-wise reasonable purchases unreasonable money-wise. P.S. I'm in love (so to speak) with the M4800+dock. Such a clean and easy setup. The downside is a lower version of DisplayPort and USB (lack of TB as well), which is a limitation of the M4800 itself (along with a few others). Too bad they dropped the form-factor and an overall approach in favor of the business vs engineer/scientist.

Ever since I have 2X docks, external screens (home: Samsung S95B, work: Dell something) and discovered that the dock buttons work perfectly like they are built into the laptop, I don't even bother to open the lid.