Mr. Fox

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Only thing with MSI is their BIOSes are almost always in a state of "BETA" I've noticed this over the years. You'll get 2-3 releases BETA then a final, rinse, repeat. We are talking months with BETA versions but at least they release them.

Beta firmware has never really mattered to me as long as it works and does what I want it to do. To me it is a meaningless designation assigned to it that may have absolutely nothing different than the final version other than the version number displayed. Kind of like WHQL certification on drivers. The beta, non-certified and WHQL versions can be 100% identical, with the only difference being the Redmond Reprobates have been paid a fee to put their utterly worthless seal of approval on it. Totally irrelevant IMHO. 

26 minutes ago, ryan said:

gaming is more popular than benchmarking, I do both and enjoy the super position game, beat it like 30 times

It's kind of like the old saying, "Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach." Popularity is relative. It's probably more accurate to say "gaming is more common" because it's not more popular with those who enjoy benching more than gaming. You can certain enjoy both, as you do. Some people don't enjoy benching because it is just not their thing. If they are not very good at it, or their anemic hardware sucks, or they don't know how to tune it properly, chances are they will never like benching. I know I don't enjoy doing things that I don't know how to do, or things that I suck at doing.

7 minutes ago, ryan said:

yeah I havent tried 32gb...im sure they are similar but 64gb was free, otherwise I would have went for 32gb...just was not expecting this much of a jump going from 16gb to 64gb

@Papusanis suggesting limiting your memory capacity to 32GB to test the game to see if any different than 64GB. After test run the second command to make all 64GB available again.

28 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

It's all clickbait at this point. For productivity, especially video editing, Nvidia is in the lead. On my "workstation", I am sticking with Nvidia for GPU and Windows. I will not let CUDA go until AMD has a GPU that can "translate" CUDA for proconsumer (I understand AMD is working on this tech currently). 

 

Gaming is a different story though. I game on my 6800 XT attached to my LG C2 all the time and I don't feel like I am missing anything. Some games I run at 4K while others, 1440P.

 

I am at a crossroads though. I want to upgrade this all AMD gaming rig. I am not sure if I am going to stay all AMD (AM5 and 7900 XTX) or go 14 Gen and Nvidia 4090 TI. I am still waiting to see when (not if) Nvidia is going to release the top Ada GPU.  At this rate, I may end up going all AMD again due to pricing. 

Pretty much everything in the tech industry is moving to the point that it boils down to "How much are you willing to put up with and at what price tipping point are you willing to tolerate that much crap?" I am having to re-evaluate a lot of things, including whether or not being a PC enthusiast is even a thing worth pursuing any more.  It is starting to feel like the term "PC enthusiast" is an oxymoron. At some point I could see PC ownership being reduced to the equivalent of owning a hammer or a set of screwdrivers. You use them when you need to drive a nail or a screw. The rest of the time they are in your toolbox. You don't think about them. You don't upgrade them. You don't show them to your friends, make YouTube videos about them, or feel a sense of accomplishment or pleasure from owning them. You might derive some level of satisfaction from what you use them to fix or create, but they are not an object of focus. If awesome doesn't matter any more, then the only questions that remain relate to purpose and adequacy. Can I make do with something from Harbor Freight, Walmart, maybe even the Dollar Store? Or, do I need to spend an absurd amount for a tool made by Snap-On that only gets used occasionally? Can I use a nail instead of a screw? If yes, then why do I need a screwdriver? A hammer is good enough. How many nails do I need to set? One or two? I think I can use that rock in my backyard for that. Why waste money on a hammer?

3 hours ago, ryan said:

yeah its frustrating looking for what you want, not finding it then having to buy their worthless crap. thats how I feel about the big picture, my laptop should have better cooling and why not make it .3-.5 in thicker for fans/pipes.

And, you know what is REALLY stupid about that is the fact there are actually people that prefer having an overheating, throttling piece of garbage that is a tiny bit thinner and a few ounces less weight. As long as there are people that think that way and laptop manufacturers cater to cuckoo-nuts that do, laptops are universally predestined to be a broken piece of trash before they reach the end of the assembly line. We have idiots like that to thank, and the retarded people that manufacture trash, for the degradation of all mobile computing options available for purchase. There is not one single laptop available now that I would be excited about purchasing or enthusiastic even if I were receiving it as a free gift. 

2 hours ago, ryan said:

nice yeah, only thing I want rgb for is my keyboard but I have it set to white/blue leds to be easy on the eyes and easier to see when its dark, but yeah im not going to pay extra for a light stripe on the front of the laptop. as for my place I have rgb lights in the bedrooms and hallway, but I couldn't care less if they are blue green red ect. as for ram thats rgb I get it if your showing off your rig, but it just seems silly. some of the asus laptops have light bars and the laptops cost more to make and therefore to buy, people will always be consumer cows. gnawing on anything on their plate.

I would be happy with just static bright white LED. That's all I care about in terms of lighting. It's unfortunate that I have to waste my money on animated RGB garbage to get that. It's almost impossible to find anything now with a static single color like white LED. It would also be much easier to deal with because it could draw its power for the LEDs from the same device power source and not need any extra wiring to control colors, or nasty filth software to change it from rainbow puke to white.

I think the crime bosses have figured that out though. They know they can charge me, and everyone like me, more for something I/we don't want in order to get something that I/we do want that should be super inexpensive.  That is just so special. They have the art of extortion down to a science.

Just now, Papusan said:

People often go with design over functionality. Fancy design and fancy lights.... and they are sold on it. This is the sad truth bro Fox. Hence we will see more trash.

It is also scary what some people think looks nice. Not surprising, considering some of the freaky, creepy and downright repulsive things some of them do to their own bodies that they find attractive or cool-looking. Crazy world we're living in, and getting crazier by the day.

12 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Yep🙂 And check out der8auer's youtube channel. He have tested a lot flawed M.2 ssd heatsink's. A lot trash out there.  

I have seen that video. It's pretty funny. Some of the garbage from China is so sad it is comical. What is more sad is the thought that some people would be interested in what looks like trash on face value. Not only do most of the "solutions" not work well, they are hideous-looking atrocities that should not be used even if they did work well.

54 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

I had a feeling but you're fully protected from any scams so why not take a shot? Nothing ventured....

 

 

There are those three 13900KS chips for sale over on the OCN forums. That SP111 for $650 is priced properly and a known decent chip with a good MC.

 

 

Yes, I saw them but that's more than I want to spend. I pinged the guy again about the $500 13900K SP108 and will grab that one if it is still available. We're too close to them being obsolete to spend that much even on the better binned CPUs. It's just not worth the extra money for something I make no money doing. Those $600+ golden samples will be obsolete and worth a lot less in few months. The one I might buy is from a longtime OC.net forum member that has a good rep and lives in the US. 

This arrived a few minutes ago.

On 7/18/2023 at 2:34 PM, electrosoft said:

@Mr. Fox 13900k on sale for $410.99 if you want to return that 13700k

 

Amazon.com: Intel Core i9-13900K (Latest Gen) Gaming Desktop Processor 24 cores (8 P-cores + 16 E-cores) with Integrated Graphics - Unlocked : Electronics

 

Edit: Might be a scam seller, but you can always get a refund if so.

On 7/19/2023 at 11:34 AM, Mr. Fox said:

Wonder that happened to Brother @tps3443? Too busy with life maybe?

 

Brother @electrosoftI ordered one of those $410 13900K last night. Will be here tomorrow. Hopefully, it will be at least as good as the one that croaked. 

Nope. It was too good to be true. They waited until the expected delivery date to let me know I could buy one at the correct price. I didn't and don't plan to.

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5 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

Compare it to your custom loop - as it has advantages and disadvantages over the AIO. However, if I were reviewing it for a publication, I would have a $50 to $60 quality air cooler as the first point of entry. This vantage point gives consumers a look at what they currently have, versus higher end water cooling (AIO) versus the best in custom water cooling. No need to get into GamersNexus level of detail..."Out of Box" stock settings to a "Gamer boy" OC is really all you need. 

 

I have my own private database of all of the air coolers (not many entries), AIO's and custom watercooling parts I've used over the past three years. I created it so I could have reference when I was in the early stages of a review channel/website. 

 

I got the black RGB version. I was also going to get the white version so I could create an all white PC to mess with @Papusan and yourself, lol. 

Yup. I have one that will be here tonight and I am going to do exactly that. I have the highly-rated 250W Deep Cool AK620 incoming for that three-way comparison. The AIO is still out for DHL delivery, but this got dropped a bit earlier today.

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

I picked up the EK-Nucleus 360 during the Newegg sale to test for myself, as it appears on top of the charts in most AIO reviews. Hopefully EK improved on its fan durability.

 

I plan on using it during test builds and when they are complete, move to either an air cooler or custom loop. I eagerly await your review. I am going to test it first with AMD. 

I have to figure out how I want to work it. I suppose I could compare it to my custom loop but that probably wouldn't be fair. I'm thinking maybe I should get a popular air cooler that the average gamer boy uses and run tests with that to establish a baseline on thermal atrocity, then switch to the AIO and repeat. Thank goodness I have invested in QDC fittings for everything. Makes something like this so less time consuming and inconvenient. I now have the male half on all the QDC settings installed directly on the CPU and GPU blocks on both systems to make it even more hassle-free. Moving components between systems couldn't be any easier because you don't have to worry about tubing being long enough, or too long, or having to drain and refill anything. Totally play and play.

Did you get the RGB version or the Dark version? I'll have to wait until I see it to render a verdict, but I like the fact that they're using the short wire daisy chain approach on the fans now. Should make cable management a whole lot better with the single PMW connection. This approach is fast becoming the new normal and it's a good thing. This is one of the rare examples of where the old way sucked and the new way actually is better. 

2 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

oh bte guys, with regards to Asrock "tuninf" their mobos for higher speed RAM on Ryzen: this is not their doing, but rather AMD preparing to release a new AGESA version providing Ryzen 7000 with the tools to finally catch up to Intel in memory speeds:

 

https://www.aroged.com/2023/07/20/amd-taught-ryzen-7000-to-work-with-fast-ram-agesa-1-0-0-7b-provided-support-for-ddr5-8000-and-even-higher/

 

DDR5-8200 confirmed booting on MSI boards mwahaha. lets goooooooooooooooo

That makes me very happy for my friends (and one of my sons) that have chosen to take the red pill. I hope it works out really well and can run tight timings with low latency in quad-channel mode. My son that favors AMD is using his new 7700X system with the G.SKILL 6000 EXPO settings at the moment. Trying to push it harder for him was kind of frustrating. While he is content with it like it is, I am eager to see how it pans out. I might stil be able to make a crazy overclocker out of that boy.

I haven't used an AIO for at least 5 years, but it will be interesting to test the EKWB product I am receiving for review (arriving tomorrow). It will be a handy thing to have for available quick testing purposes. The EK-Nucleus AIO CR360 Dark is a performance-focused pitch-black cooler without any RGB. Sounds like a theme, doesn't it? Dark Base case, Dark motherboard, Dark AIO. Dark, dark and more dark, LOL. I'm not smart enough to have planned it that way, it just happened.

I like everything dark, including my OS and forum color themes. Funny how sometimes things fall in place the way you like, but other times nothing works the way you want things to work and it is a struggle to have anything turn out right. I like the Z790 Apex, but the white PCB makes me kind of angry. How could ASUS do such a tacky thing? At least it is not as digusting as the Yeston anime and manga GPUs. That just makes me want to barf, LOL.

Seagate appropriately earned a bad reputation for past poor quality control and reliability. They have since corrected their issues and returned to producing good quality products that are durable. I don't remember now what company bought Seagate, but if I recall correctly that was at least partially responsible for making things right.

They've had a hard time living down the bad reputation that they once deserved. They're probably the best mechanical hard drive manufacturer at this point. I never experienced any failures with their hard drives even during the time when they were deserving of a bad reputation. I did, however, have multiple Western Digital hard drive failures, several times on brand new drives that were DOA.

Anything mechanical is going to tend toward having an abbreviated lifespan compared to something that is digital and has no moving parts. I usually do not pay close attention to brand when purchasing solid state drives. I think the price is more important than the brand. There are a limited number of NAND and controller manufacturers and I think the warranty, and the ease and speed of using it, is probably more important than brand.

Wonder that happened to Brother @tps3443? Too busy with life maybe?

Brother @electrosoftI ordered one of those $410 13900K last night. Will be here tomorrow. Hopefully, it will be at least as good as the one that croaked. If so, I will return the 13700K for a refund. It runs too hot and uses too much voltage anyway. Glad I did not already delid it to fix the heat. The 13700K that has not been delidded doesn't seem to run any cooler than a 13900K that has not been delidded at the same vCore level. So, I don't think that running cooler is a legit argument for using the 13700K. It's actually a pretty decent sample from what I can tell, but coming up short on cores is a bad thing. I haven't checked the SP rating and probably won't. Once you get used to more, settling for less is too difficult. It's not satisfying having 8 fewer threads at your beck and call.

3 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

oh nice, didnt realize ure also in the Suprim X 4090 club 😄 how high can u go on your core? also, which vbios would u reocmmend? im still on the OG Strix OC since it lets me downclock the GPU suuuuper low for idle operation. but im eyeing the 666W HOF or the Asus 1000W but the latter disables any thermal protections, hum... 

 

any input appreciated 🙂 

Yes sir. My first was a Liquid X and that mysteriously quit working just like the 13900K. The screen went black while the system was idling on the desktop while I was using my other computer at work. I saw it happen and assumed that I had somehow forgotten to disable the screen blanking in my Windows power profile, or that the power profile had somehow gotten switched. I jiggled the mouse and nothing happened. I pecked on the keyboard a few times and nothing happened. It never output a picture to the screen again after it went black. No idea what happened or why it died. Amazon refunded it.

Suprim is, by far, the best option available to me here in the US (HOF not available and EVGA gone--both sad things). My second 4090 was a Strix. It was a piece of trash and I RMA'd it because it cost more and was grossly inferior to the Suprim. Besides looking kind of gawdy, it really sucked at overclocking. Memory overclock was pathetically unacceptable. I returned it to NewEgg for a refund and waited for the Suprim to come back into stock and bought my second that is currently working fine.

I don't find a lot of difference between the 666W or 1000W since the GPU becomes voltage limited before it exhausts the power limit. I think I prefer the 1000W just as a matter of principle. Power should always be unlimited or have caps set way beyond what hardware is physically capable of utilizing. Power limits are just a control freak butthole thing for OEMs to feel important enough to make decisions about things they should butt out of and mind their own business.

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

@Mr. Fox 13900k on sale for $410.99 if you want to return that 13700k

 

Amazon.com: Intel Core i9-13900K (Latest Gen) Gaming Desktop Processor 24 cores (8 P-cores + 16 E-cores) with Integrated Graphics - Unlocked : Electronics

 

Edit: Might be a scam seller, but you can always get a refund if so.

Thanks. I may order it first before returning just to be safe.

I received a tracking number from UPS for something close to 50 pounds with no information on what it is, so I am assuming it is the be quiet! case. It and an EK 360 AIO are supposed to be delivered tomorrow. Both products have the name "Dark" in them, so using the EVGA Dark motherboard for the review(s) seems logical, LoL 

As expected, it was hotter today. I burned my right hand on my steering wheel and my left elbow on my door arm rest. Not severely, but it was about 2 hours ago and I can still tell because my skin hasn't returned to its normal state.

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

correct me if mistaken, but I dont see a price?

Thanks for letting me know. I knew I was forgetting something.

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yeah the Cougar really caught my eye especially the traditional top mount ability for an AIO and the handles and sturdiness. It should be here Thursday. I call it a $67 itch to scratch.

 

That's the Hyte Revolt 3 without the front and side panels on while I run it through its paces before installing the GPU

I picked it up w/ PSU for $125 from Amazon when I sent back the N200R.

 

Ah, it must have been the straight-on view that made it hard to identify the Revolt.

Yeah, for $67 that Cougar case looks like a real value. The industrial look with the handles is nice. If it is as build-friendly as it seems on the surface it should be real sweet. Sometimes the best products don't get looked at as closely as they deserve to be.

Edit: @electrosoftI just noticed the eBay listing on the Cougar case has a hilarious typo "dessert" instead of desert. 🤣

8 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

I did pick up one of these to explore from Cougar. It looks like it checks all the boxes and then some for a portable ITX build.

That's pretty cool looking. Would be nice to have something similar in a full tower E-ATX design.

What is the black case with the silver handle sitting on your desk next to the GPU box? It looks like a chimney design case, unless it is not in its normal orientation. I wasn't able to zoom in on the photo for a closer look at it.

This ASUS ROG Maximus Z690 Apex is in excellent condition. May have a little bit of dust on it, but otherwise look and functions like new. It was used in my work computer for a few months and functions perfectly. Includes original box with accessories, including the DIMM.2 card and PCIe 5.0 NVMe card.

Included in the bundle is a TeamGroup Delta DDR5-7200 32GB Hynix A-die kit and an Aquacomputer Cuplex Kryos Next with Vision waterblock. It has a digital water temperature monitor and is phenomenal at cooling a 12th or 13th Gen i9 CPU. Temps are identical to my Optimus CPU block. I ran the memory at 6800 with tighter timings and lower voltage on this motherboard.

Would consider a trade for a 13900K or 13900KS depending on the SP ratings. (I have no interest in poor silicon quality - please provide P and E core SP ratings)

Price: $550.00 USD

Reason for sale: Upgraded to Z790 Apex, bare die and DDR5-8000 (parts no longer needed)

Payment: PayPal Friends/Family, or Zelle (if not F&F then buyer pays PayPal fees)

Condition: Excellent - minor evidence of use (dust) functionally perfect and no cosmetic damage

Shipping: Free - includes cost of shipping to US lower 48 (or actual cost to other destinations - not free outside US lower 48 states)

International shipping: Only if buyer is established and trusted in this forum. Actual cost plus any taxes, duties, VAT, etc. I am unable to estimate these costs.

Handling time: Next Business Day

Feedback: eBay Profile; OC.net MarketPlace

NUC is still available.

On 7/14/2023 at 4:33 PM, Clamibot said:

It's here!!!!

 

Congrats on the GPU  little brother. 

Be sure to investigate performance between OSes. For some reason that affects my 6900 XT a whole lot more, and in a more exaggerated manner, than it did the 3090 or than it does the 4090. GPU benchmarks scores across the board are more than a little bit lower on Windows 11 using the 6900 XT versus Windows 10. I am not sure why it is so different with the AMD GPU, but I wasted way too much time trying to figure it out. My 6900 XT hates Windows 11 as much as I do.

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/30399242/fs/30391596/fs/30391578#

I do like some new things though. Sometimes the message matters more than anything else.

10 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Not what I remember. I usually listening on much older music 🙂 But will ask my son. He is more modern, LOOL

Older is better... music, cars... lot's of things. Newer is always better newer.