Mr. Fox

57 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Unfortunately this is the future. Blame the cheaters, but true multiplayer is where the bulk of the $$$ is made not single player campaigns.

 

As a former competitive fps player and still seeing rampant cheating going on in the games I play, I'm ok with this.

 

Again, I don't like the "throwing out the baby with the bathwater" approach and single player campaigns being hit, but I get exactly where they're coming from. I'm sure they've run the numbers and know which side butters their bread.

That only partially makes sense and doesn't explain why they are going full Nazi retard and forcing such draconian anti-cheat blocks on single-player campaign. I honestly think it is as much a social engineering experiment to see how all of the zombie gamer sheeple react to being told how things are going to happen and driven by nefarious intentions as much or more than the surface-level appearance of an effort to make cheating more difficult. And yes, I do fully expect the gaming sheeple to value their online gaming experience more than personal freedom and autonomy. When a game uses a different EXE and config file for SP vs MP forcing this feces on everyone carte blanche is purely a butthead dictator move.

53 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

5090 at $5090. Yet, MSI went cheapo and used some lower quality thermal pads. For +5000$ gamer card... Why not put more of the money in the quality than useless gimick accorisies that don't make the product better? You should expect everything top notch when you charge 2,5 times over the org MSRP for 5090 FE.

 

"The thermal pads with a thermal conductivity of only 3.3 W/mK, which we also find on the VRMs, are more in the lower mid-range and only meet basic heat transfer requirements".

 

MSI GeForce RTX 5090 Lightning Z Review – A lightning-fast and thirsty unicorn battling NVIDIA's clock speed limits

Totally absurd and such a low-value. Sad.

It is nice that not all tech is crazy overpriced. My wife and I last purchased phones 5 years ago. We have been using our OnePlus 8T phones since early 2021. I finally decided to upgrade them and our new Google Pixel 10 Pro XL phones are out for delivery today. The price is essentially the same for the new Pixels as what I paid for the new OnePlus phones (within $25 of the same). I chose the Pixel for both of us not only because of their outstanding quality, but also because I am going to be using GrapheneOS rather than Android. Time to give Google the same treatment as Micro$lop.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

And it gets worse...

Fortnite escalates anti-cheat by mandating Secure Boot, TPM, and IOMMU

It sucked when they ruined Battlefield and Call of Duty single-player campaign with this rancid feces. I refuse to purchase games where the developers have gone down the dictatorship path. I wouldn't install and play them even if they were free. I am happy to say that I don't care about Fartnite so this butthead move won't affect me directly, but it still sucks because some people do care about it. I really do hope that all of these game developers start losing money and struggle to maintain solvency because of their stupid decisions. They do not deserve to be successful when they force anti-cheat cancer on people that only play single-player campaign. 

56 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

This smells more and more as cApple @Mr. Fox Microsoft tune their OS to match their modern trashware.

Microsoft confirms Windows 11 26H1 will be for Arm devices only at launch

I think they know that they have already lost the support and confidence of all of the smart people of the world. That leaves them with people that are not smart, which buy crap like Arm devices and disposable trashbooks.

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29559222/

So I did more testing and this is where I am at now. My max boost is no longer hitting 5950 and maxing out at 5819.  I will see if I can figure that out. Maybe I can deepen CO a bit more on one or two of my best cores and get that back. But, no more TM5 or Karhu errors. Passes fine now with PBO same as it did with manual OC. So, it was CO causing the errors and not memory. I also ran two iterations of CoreCycler without error. (Man, talk about boring... takes forever, LOL.)

What is interesting is how the individual core SP ratings in the BIOS coincide with the stable CO negative offset. So far I have found cores with the same SP rating are stable with the same negative CO offset. I am sure there is some fine tuning to be done on top of that, but it might be a good starting point or point of reference in troubleshooting.

With the current CO settings (5819 MHz vs 5950 MHz max clock) CPU-Z single thread shows a loss of about 8-10 points and multi-thread about 200 points loss. If I use "Balanced" power profile and enable core parking all core intensive benchmarks end up in the toilet. This is a Windoze garbage OS performance-destroying issue (Micro$lop calls it a "feature" LOL) and not hardware.

23 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

OK. Enough of the silly gamerboy normie crap. Back to speed trumps everything.

After all is said and done, with Ryzen the benefit (or lack thereof) doesn't scale with the effort involved. Lots of time and fussing to get it right with a teeny-tiny (or no) gain in return. Nothing to write home about going from 8000 to 8400. Exactly the opposite with Intel memory overclocking.

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Dropping tRFC to 388 shaved a ns off of memory latency, but otherwise unremarkable by other measurements. There is very little difference between 6400 1:1 and 8000/8200 2:1 on Ryzen due to architectural limitations. Adding 3D cache makes it even less relevant. Y-cruncher is around ~1.0 second slower at 6400.

OK. Enough of the silly gamerboy normie crap. Back to speed trumps everything.

12 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

 

Only Alphacool has a waterblock, but it is available in multiple shops. While the Red Devil 9700XT is one of the best 9700XT's on the market, I am still debating whether I want to shell out $250 to $300 on the block. For the first time in years, none of my rigs are custom watercooled. They are either cooled by an air or AIO cooler. Mind you, I still have CPU blocks and tons of radiators I could use. 

 

The problem is, if I buy the block, I am going to have to get a two-dimm mobo and faster RAM - that is the chain reaction. I don't really want to invest more money into the 1700 platform. With that being said, I may still get the block with how prices of copper are shooting up. 

If you keep the GPU for a few years it will be worth doing. When you to move to a newer platform the GPU will be ready for it.

13 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Which 9070 XT do you have, Brother @Rage Set. (I think you mentioned it before but I do not remember.)

I got bored and decided to mess with slower memory speeds to see how fast I could make it go. This is stable so I will see how low I can get tCL before it unravels. 6400 1:1 is snappy feeling even though it is a bit slower on read/write/copy.

Dropping tRFC to 388 shaved a ns off of memory latency, but otherwise unremarkable by other measurements. There is very little difference between 6400 1:1 and 8000/8200 2:1 on Ryzen due to architectural limitations. Adding 3D cache makes it even less relevant. Y-cruncher is around ~1.0 second slower at 6400.

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

I have the Powercolor Red Devil 9070XT. I am trying to convince myself not to buy a waterblock for it. I am also limited by RAM. So my goal of getting into the top 15 TS (for my CPU/GPU) might be out of reach. 

How plentiful are waterblocks for the Red Devil? When I still had the AORUS 9070 XT the only one was an Alphacool block that was never available for purchase. It was always pre-order and/or out of stock. That played a significant part in my decision to get rid of it. I was sick of living with a hot air-cooled GPU. It was miserable. Radeon GPUs take "hot" to the next level of cray cray when it comes to air cooling.

1 hour ago, Reciever said:

So just happened on a listing for an EKWB EVGA 3090Ti for 70 USD on ebay. Looks like its still NIB guy never used it I guess. Im trying to think of my replacement motherboard as "Showing up sometime this month", ETA is Feb 9th-22nd. 

 

Havent been able to much anything this week, been really busy with work.

 

You better snag that 3090 Ti while you can. Hopefully it is not a scam. If it is not that is an insanely good deal. If you are not going to buy it, I will.

3 hours ago, Rage Set said:

14900KS + 9700XT - 14900KS is in Extreme mode. Yes, my memory sticks are mixed, lol. The PC is located in my basement office - which I keep frozen. Ambient is 20 to 25F. 

 

Stock: Timespy - https://www.3dmark.com/spy/61860414 

It's okay, middle of the road performance. Graphic Score: 29578 

The CPU is all over the place.

 

Stock with only a -100mV offset on the core: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/61860626

Still middle of the road performance, but the GS jumped nearly 1500 points. Graphic Score: 31075

 

Results: AMD is drunk. 

Which 9070 XT do you have, Brother @Rage Set. (I think you mentioned it before but I do not remember.)

I got bored and decided to mess with slower memory speeds to see how fast I could make it go. This is stable so I will see how low I can get tCL before it unravels. 6400 1:1 is snappy feeling even though it is a bit slower on read/write/copy.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Not everyday I see the editors/writers from Pcworld use their brain.

If you buy Razer’s insane $1337 mouse, I will be very disappointed in you

I remember the first time I bought a Razer mouse. Inside the box was a letter printed on fancy vellum paper. It opened with, “Welcome to the cult of Razer.” It appears that this isn’t just a cheeky marketing slogan, Razer means it genuinely. Because only brainwashed cult members would pay $1337 for a mouse.

 

 

It is, in a word, repugnant. In a more accessible word, it’s greedy. In a more all-encompassing and entirely appropriate word, the Razer Boomslang 20th Anniversary Edition is bullshit.

 

Razer is taking pre-orders for the mouse in four days. If you buy one, and I want you to imagine this in the most overbearing and judgmental dad voice possible, I will be very disappointed in you.

 

 

PCWorld generally is not a good resource for useful technical information. I am not interested in the biased thoughts and personal opinions of their editors. I only care about what I think and seeing how many others share my opinions.

It used to be a good source, but not for a long time. They do not allow readers to comment on their reviews and articles, which delegitimizes them in my opinion. I think any media outlet that does not allow readers to comment to support or rebut has an agenda of some sort and they want to control the narrative. 

I posted my thoughts on the TweakTown article yesterday. 

I thought this was a good (and accurate) assessment of the situation. We are getting screwed just because the industry is run by opportunistic trash scumbags and they are doing it just because they can. What goes around comes around and payback is going to be a real b**** for all of them before its over. Once the illogical AI slop build-out has run its course they are not going to have a product to sell because there is will be not enough demand for it at the inflated price and they'll have to roll back prices to mid-2025 levels or go out of business. AI is not bad. AI development companies are bad. Their motives and methods are wicked and they will reap what they are sowing.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Do you  need  a new mouse? 🙄 It's inflation in the branding "Limited Edition" nowadays. Razer try also to maximize profits from stupids.

 

Razer plans to sell 1,337 units of its new limited edition gaming mouse for $1,337 each

 

There is never a shortage of insanely overpriced trash made for the dumbest people in the world. A year or two ago I would not have believed there would be a human being dumb enough to pay that for a mouse, but now I know they are real and there are enough of them to be dangerous to all of the people or ordinary or greater intelligence.

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29556653/

The official msrp value for the Lightning Z. NT$ 165000 ≈ $5200 USD

https://tw.msi.com/Promotion/RTX-5090-LightningZ-drawing/graphics-cards

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That absurdly overpriced publicity stunt needs to be rammed so far up their corporate butt that surgical removal is the only viable option. At the rate things are going, the only customers most of the PC hardware manufacturers are going to have left are idiots of the world.

 

Lmao u cant even buy the card. Its a lottery and ur card isnt even binned. Wouldnt be suprised if there was less than 100 units not the 1300 stated

They won't have a problem finding 100 or 1300 idiots with more money (or credit card limit) than common sense. Instead of a lottery they should require them to enter a fighting contest to determine which ones are given the privilege of being screwed out of $5200 USD.

 

2 hours ago, Clamibot said:

Does anyone know of any other cases that can fit 2 ATX motherboards?

The Thermaltake Core W200 was an awesome case. I have always wanted one. In the rare circumstance I could even find one they were so ridiculously priced that I could not justify the cost. 

There have only been a couple that I am aware of. Even monster cases like the Corsair 1000D Obsidian only support mini-ITX for the second mobo and SFX for the secondary PSU. The Phanteks Enthoo 719 also only supports mini-ITX for the second mobo, but does support two ATX PSUs.

I had a Thermaltake Level 20 XT E-ATX Extreme LCS Capable Split Level Modular Gaming Cube Case CA-1L1-00F1WN-00 that I purchased in 2019. It supported dual ATX PSUs and you could add a second ATX mobo tray. Those are also nowhere to be found. It was not crazy tall, but it was so huge from front to back that the feet would not fit on either of my desks. I had to put it sideways on the desk. It was my favorite case of all time except for the fact that it needed a dedicated desk just for the case. It was so gigantic that I just could not accommodate it in my tiny home office. If I had a bigger office I would never have gotten rid of it. It was amazing.

You might just want to go with a server rack setup with two 4U chassis units that each support ATX/E-ATX boards, ATX PSUs and full sized GPUs. Leave the lid off (for GPU power cable clearance if necessary) and leave an empty space between them in the rack.

Maybe a couple of units like this: https://www.newegg.com/rosewill-rsv-l4500u-black/p/N82E16811147328?Item=N82E16811147328 and mount them in a rack. https://www.newegg.com/p/2BA-01UW-00010

A more expensive option (maybe not worth it compared to the Rosewill) would be two of these: https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-006F-001D2 mounted in a rack.

Silverstone also makes an RM51 5U chassis, but you would be looking at $1,000-$1,200 (at the least) for a pair of them and a rack. https://www.provantage.com/silverstone-rm51~7SLST033.htm?source=googleps

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

No surprise here..... Nvidia, AMD and Intel are going where the massive profits are and that is all things AI and all things data centers atm....they are behaving *exactly* as I would expect them to.

The question is, "Are there really going to be massive profits?" or are they spending a lot of money on a gamble that may or may not eventually pay off? I am not convinced they are going to make money and may end up drawing back a bloody stump before it's over. I certainly hope so. It would be a real shame if their cash-grabbing nonsense turns out well for them and for their shareholders. I'd much prefer to see financial tragedy visited upon them. Tit for tat.

3 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I don't blame Intel for cancelling B770 at this point of the current GPU cycle with skyrocketing memory prices for consumers and inflated costs for VRAM. I just don't think it is viable right now.

 

I would also redirect short term efforts to suck up all the AI $$ they can while they continue to refine and make substantial gains in the mobile market both CPU and GPU wise and introduce a serious architecture advancement with Nova in the fall.

 

I'm in total agreement with every decision Intel has recently made recently (which is rare) and I think they could be the dominant hand held and mobile laptop force this and next year. Tack on Nova and their own X3D along with serious gains in MT performance? Yeah, things are looking good for Intel IMHO. They're hungry again and clawing their way back with a vengeance. 

 

Ironically, it is AMD who is stagnating at the moment as @Mr. Fox video from Jay lets us know.....

 

 

 

No surprise here..... Nvidia, AMD and Intel are going where the massive profits are and that is all things AI and all things data centers atm....they are behaving *exactly* as I would expect them to.

 

Like I've said since the old forums, corporations are NOT your friend. It is a transactional scenario each and every time. They offer a product you want at a price you will pay. You buy it. End of story.

 

Now it looks like the 6000 series could slip into 2028 

Memory prices are rumored to have a significant bump sooner than later

SSDs continue to rise....

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-50-super-pushed-back-rtx-60-mass-production-could-move-to-2028

 

Right now, if you're in the market for GPUs, RAM or SSDs, (in that order), it is not a good time to buy.

 

Better to stalk the used market or as noted before, get a Microcenter bundle if you need new hardware.

The least they could do is pretend they love us and say nice things while they are choking us and pulling our hair.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

They will still offer gaming cards😬 8GB cards at premium. Perfect cards for coming Garbage mode in games. Yup, this is progress. The old 980 notebook GPU in my Clevo from 2015 have also 8GB vram buffer but with not as fast cores as the new and modern GPUs in 2026. 11 years of innovation. Heey, yeah I forgot this one from 2014 or 12 years ago... NVIDIA GeForce GTX 880M This is pathetic.

 

 

AMD's RDNA 4 focus for 2026 will reportedly be one GPU, the Radeon RX 9060 XT 8GB

 

In addition to the shift in focus to 8GB cards, the report notes that a 5-10% price increase for Radeon GPUs occurred in January 2026 for AMD's AIB partners purchasing GPU and memory bundles, and another price increase is coming soon. So soon that it could take effect as early as this month, or at the latest in March.

Even the Quadro P5000 MXM in my Dell Precision turdbook has 16GB of vRAM. It is inexcusable that 8GB GPU options exist today. That should only be on the cheapest and lowest tier garbage-class products that are just one step up from integrated graphics.

Nothing new is built to last the test of time or deliver maximum performance. Everything is designed to fail, and deliver structured performance limitations, to ensure a never-ending flow of cash.

It is remarkably similar to the pharmaceutical industry and practice of medicine. They do not make money on healthy people or cures. Keeping people on meds forever, and follow up doctor visits to renew prescriptions, and creating new medical problems from prolonged consumption of chemicals that require more meds and more medical care is the gift that keeps on giving. They don't want anyone to be healthy because it is bad for business. 

PC and electronics hardware companies do not want to manufacture and sell durable consumer products that perform well. They want to sell garbage with a limited lifespan so they can collect more money on upgrades and product refreshes to replace the last generation of trash they sold consumers.

Live to pay, pay to live. Just like the old bumper sticker... Ass, gas or grass... nobody rides for free.

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

Edit.

I was going to post this video. I'm glad I saved money going with the Zotac 5090.