Mr. Fox

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Updated Nvflash for flashing FE's is possible now?

I saw something on overclock.net that a guy that done something to override the flash blocking but it was not clear if it works on FE. I saw someone ask, but he had not responded last time I checked the thread.

2 hours ago, Rage Set said:

 

I missed all of you too. Outside of the people here, I really don't have anyone to talk shop (tech) with. Some nights, I get the itch to overclock something, but my 14900KS desktop lies dormant. I am sure if I had a big boy GPU, I would have an excuse to do it. And here I thought 3D printers would be a laid-back adventure, haha - far from it. I have my eye on this - Carvera Desktop CNC machine. It's a little pricey, but it is basically three 5090's, 🤣 I want to design and make my own CPU/GPU blocks. 

 

Anyway, I'll be around.

That sounds very exciting. I'd love to get into something like that if I had to money and space for the equipment.

As far as overclocking goes, you're not missing much. The idiots that design and manufacturer PC components are ruining everything for overclocking enthusiasts. Pretty much because they are all incompetent dumba$$es that survive by clever deceptive marketing and gaslighting the crap out of consumers. Most of what is produced now is locked down trash or overpriced unusable junk. What I mean but "unusable" is (for example) an enthusiast motherboard with a CPU socket that all of the CPUs that fit in it are trash that suck at overclocking, or the imbeciles that made it ruined something that could have otherwise been great by adding two extra memory slots that eff-it-up. And, any hardwware that  is not dog crap becomes worthless garbage because its gonads are crushed by cancer firmware. They should all feel very grateful that I am not the one that gets to decide their fate. The story wouldn't have a happy ending for any of them.

21 minutes ago, Rage Set said:

What's up everyone! I am sorry I have been away for awhile. I am trying my hand at YT and hopefully build a large enough following to get sponsored by a CNC maker or continue to build my reserve to buy one. 

 

I haven't had the urge to upgrade any of my PC's to the latest and greatest (although I am thinking about the 9950X3D). I came across some local listings on a 5090, that weren't exactly deals (used, still above MSRP). The days of great used hardware prices are dead - people want 80 to 110% of their purchase price, and with new cards closing in on their MSRP's, I don't know who is buying used at these prices. 

 

I think that if Intel releases the B770 and it's under $400, I'll pounce on that card. I only need something good enough for video editing and CAD. 

 

I hope you and your families are doing well. I'm back here fully, doing my normal lurking.

We missed you, brother. Hope all is well with your family, too.

This is what happens when you build a desktop GPU like a turdbook instead of a one-piece PCB. This is why I instantly rejected it when I saw how it was made. Predictable outcome with a product deliberately designed with multiple points of failure.

10 hours ago, tps3443 said:

The 011 XL is a beast as well though, they are like 44 pounds empty. Should be very Rigid and well made. I don’t know what 011 my son has. I think it is a 011 Evo not the XL but smaller one. It has glass and mesh panel kit. 
 

I’m thinking about putting my case on the floor and incorporating some wheels or some platform for it to sit on that rolls around. 

I have three of these. A desktop on one each and the chiller and 5 gallon tank on the third. I think it would work well for your desktop. They are impressively sturdy. The bottom shelf supports 100 pounds and the top shelf 80 pounds and the height is adjustable.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09SCYSFP9?th=1

7 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

While at it, I figured why not use the opportunity and also swap out my Wifi card from the Intel 210ax with Wifi6E to a Qualcomm QCNCM865 Wifi7 M.2 Adapter:

I would like to be able to appreciate WiFi 7 but can't go there because of Micro$lop's harmful influence and chokehold on the industry. I really don't understand why any of the feckless hardware manufacturers allow them to call the shots. They should have to fall in line and bow to the hardware makers to maintain relevance, but we've got the tail wagging the dog with the Redmond Retards in control. No way in hell I can embrace the notion of installing hardware that only has driver support for the Winduhz 11 trash OS. I already have two desktops with crappy WiFi 7 cards installed that I can't use because of that. If I actually needed to use WiFi on either desktop I would be pulling off the VRM/IO shields and replacing both with WiFi 6 or older technology so I can make my own decisions about what OS I am going to use.

49 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I investigated the 9000D pretty heavily because I wanted one. I ultimately didn’t get one because it’s super expensive and built very cheap for its cost. It has the rattles, it has flex, lots of plastic in places, lots of thin metal everywhere . If you’re okay with that then you will like it. My case empty is twice the weight of a 9000D empty. That alone explains it all. Corsair is making a killing on these cases. Even the 1000D is double weight of a 9000D. So I think Corsair learned a lot with the 9000D and then heavily modified the budget to make it. 
 

9000D=34 pounds

1000D=65 pounds

V3000+= 68 pounds

That's good to know about the 9000D. The Corsair Airflow case I used to have a few years ago was very well made and had thick steel panels. It was too small for a decent custom loop to fit inside of it and I ended up not liking it enough to keep it because it was too small. Sad to hear they started cutting corners. Corsair has some really good products, but some of their stuff is totally junk. Not very consistent.

I honestly can't see myself doing anything other than sticking with the two O11D XL Evo cases that I already have. It wouldn't work for a big mobo like the one you have but for my two current ATX builds is just about right overall. I'd like it better if it were about an inch or two taller at both ends of the motherboard tray and and about an inch or so wider between the motherboard tray and glass side panel. That would make it close to being perfect but I can't remember the last time I owned any computer component that I actually viewed as being perfect or a completely satisfying product. Seems like there's always one or two things that suck about anything available for purchase no matter what it is or how much it costs.

42 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Next level of stupidity.... OLED display on mem sticks is the new low to increase profits. 

 

V-color's new XFinity DDR5 RAM: world's first DDR5 RAM with OLED display

V-Color unveils XFinity+ RAM: the world's first DDR5 RAM with a built-in OLED display, offering speeds of up to 9066 MT/s on AMD and Intel platforms

I fix it for you🙂

There is never a shortage of stupid. I expect demonstrations of stupidity now as status quo. Intelligence is something I appreciate because of its rarity. On that basis it will probably sell well and become popular. It doesn't need to be good RAM. It doesn't need to be fast or good at overclocking. It merely needs to be a shiny object.

Good catch on the typo correction. The word "and" is more accurate because you do not have to choose between top  or front, you can have both.

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Hard to find a case to be happy with that’s for sure for me anyways. It’s been 6 months already! I’m picky and like to change things too often, and I haven’t wanted to go back to a test bench or any other options and I’m surprised by that. I’ve learned a little since going back to a case. Mainly that I never really loved white cases and white accessories at all. The biggest advantage is because it completely hides dust. The fans, case, and radiators, and PSU always look clean and new. This way you’re not wanting to tear your system apart for a deep clean every year. 😆

Having my Praxis Wetbench was always a constant temptation. I built systems that I didn't need more than once just because I had it and liked it so much that it made me sad to not be using it, so I sold it to remove the temptation. I prefer an open bench for convenience but don't like it for dust and aesthetics. I could clean it to the point of being virtually spotless and immaculate, and in less than an hour it would be covered with desert dust. I love huge cases, but I don't like how much space they take up in my tiny office. If I had a big home office I would have the biggest cases. The O11D XL EVO cases are a good balance. I wish they were a little bit bigger, but they are large enough that I don't hate them because of everything being overly cramped and cluttered looking. If I were going to replace my O11D XL EVO cases with something else I think I would go with a Corsair Obsidian 1000D or 9000D Airflow. They are both massive and look great. They are the same exterior dimensions, so I would have to decide which one I think looks nicer. They are just a little bit larger than the V3000 Plus... length and width almost the same, but about 30MM wider than the V3000 Plus. Enough wider to install two rows of fans and radiators side-by-side in front or at top.

This is assassination was horrible by every measurement, but the indications that is was a planned event and not the insane act of a single young psychopath is truly chilling. Organized evil is real thing. Truly chilling and diabolical. It will be interesting to see how the mainstream media gaslighters explain how the Los Angeles Times and New York Times headlines and the author of the new book on Amazon about the murder were published a day prior to the shooting.

Nick's post is spot on... couldn't have said it better myself.

19 hours ago, tps3443 said:

The case is slightly Wider than my son’s Lian Li 011 Dynamic, so space behind the motherboard tray is enough to fit a 2 slot GPU flat behind the MB tray, more than enough space, since this case is dual system capable I saw someone do this. But mainly since the case has a basement that can fit everything like two 480’s or a single 480mm with no limits on thickness, PSU’s, Pumps, or even a ITX build in the basement. It’s not setup like 011 cases which place the PSU behind the motherboard tray, your PSU would go in the basement. So most of the useable depth is going to be in the main compartment, or in the basement. But I haven’t had any issues behind the motherboard tray my self. 
 

As far as depth goes or long ways of the case. It’s a long case. It’s as long as it is tall. It’s over 26” tall and 26” long. 
 

The biggest issue is weight concerns. My PC is so heavy you just can’t move it around. But fortunately since it has these suicide doors and because it’s so long it makes working on it easier. The motherboard is 14.0x14.0 larger than practically any motherboard we can buy today for any mainstream sockets so it does make the case look smaller than it is in pictures merely because this motherboard makes something like a Asus Extreme or Godlike look like a baby board.

 

I think It looks abnormally long as well because some photos I’m not showing the bottom chamber which demonstrates how long it really is. Kinda like the photo below. You can choo choo train some 5090’s and still have room lol. 😂 
 

 

It's an awesome case for sure and I have always liked it. I think it is maybe an optical illusion because in the photos it looks really skinny from the front where the 4 fans are mounted, but the depth of the PSU basement looks very deep when viewed from the side. When I look at the two photos it almost seems like I am looking at two different cases because of the optical illusion. The front panel being removed might also make it look narrower with the fans exposed.

11 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Guys I was doing some testing after rearranging fans in my Lian Li V3000+ Plus, and with the door closed under a 1200w load my internal case temp is 27c with water temp of 31.3C, if I take the side door off the internal case temp drops to only 26c. I thought this was ridiculously impressive. I have never seen a case run this cool inside with this type of power being dumped. I’ve never been a guy to run my doors on my cases, even my son’s PC has no door on it in his Lian Li 011 packed with fans. But in this case for the past 6 months I’ve kept it sealed up. I don’t know why it runs so cool in there all closed up. Either the design? Or maybe just the internal volume? 

It is interesting how deep the case looks in the side photographs but the last photo looking straight from the front it looks very narrow. It may be an optical illusion because of it being so tall. How many inches wide does it measure across the front (view in last photo showing the four fans)? Is the space behind the motherboard tray narrow?

Rest in Peace, Charlie. Tom MacDonald is donating all proceeds from this song to Charlie Kirk's widow and two orphans.

50 minutes ago, Jarhead said:

 

You realize this didn't actually happen, right?

Well, I can't find any evidence that it did not. And, I doubt we would get anything remotely close to honest and accurate from the media. They've shown us countless timed that we can't believe most of what they report or what they choose not to report because it doesn't fit their agenda.

Either way it is still a good story. I hope it did. At the least it is a nice FAFO clip for China.

Unfortunately, this is not fake. I wish it was. Very sad. The world we live is in overrun by psychopaths. Fortunately, Utah still has captial punishment.

Suck it, China. Congratulations on showing your military incompentence and tactical inferiority to the entire planet.  Hope you enjoyed the payback. There's more where that came from. Bring it on, losers.

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Maybe they will/can make better processors if they can charge much much more. Are you happy with how AMD price their products? Some are as you can see. Are you happy with how AMD price their processors and graphics cards? Do you feel good about what you pay for from those re***d$?

 

AMD candidly admits 'we charge more for our CPUs than our competitor' and that 'customers feel good about the price'

 

Doesn't bode well if AMD manages to take the fight to Nvidia in the GPU market.

My one-word answer is "nope" 

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

Sad they can't offer a scheduler that works properly with the hybrid mess. E and P cores is an disgusting technology. Add 3rd types cores and everything is a complete mess. Only to slightly reduce power consumption to try compete with ARM for joke books and to reduce costs for the whole cpu package. If you cannot make proper processors then stop try compete. Make low end and OEM's will buy it if its cheap enough. This isn't good enough. Intel you have failed hard!!

 

https://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/41705-intel-uppdaterar-apo-battre-fps-i-fel-spel

 

Intel says this is a step towards more hardware-aDware optimization, where APO dynamically places threads on the right cores to reduce latency in CPU-bound scenarios.

They CAN make a proper processor, but they choose not to because they believe in  the hoax and they are drinking the Kool-Aid and bought into the "less power is better" tree-hugging idiot approach. The entire technology space is overrun by hypocritical nitwits that don't know the difference between their head and their butt hole. Even the dullards at Micro$lop talk from both sides of their butt about wanting to "save the planet" that doesn't need saving by producing an OS that increases e-waste by making perfectly usable computers "incompatible" with their latest trash OS.

31 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Nice! Breaking the 17k mark on SN. Are you going to push for higher numbers? Chilled 4090 vs chilled 5090. 

 

I'll be curious to see how the WireView works out for you too as @tps3443 alluded to, it is hit or miss for temps but so many variables are in play and as always PEBKAC is always a factor so let's see ...

I'm not sure how much harder I am going to push it. I always enjoy it while I am doing it, but find it very difficult to muster the motivation when I am not. Knowing that, now more than ever before, that there is a snowball's chance in hell that I can "win" the prize-less crown because of not getting special firmware and hardware nudges me in the direction of no longer caring. The "winners" (publicity shills) are chosen in advance. To a smaller degree, I have gotten so comfortable with Linux that I just don't like using Windoze anymore. Even for gaming or benching. Windoze sucks. I feel dirty after using Winduhz.

The WireView was DOA. I had to return it to Amazon for a refund. No power on the output side of it for some reason. You might have missed that in my reply to @tps3443. I've always had only wonderful experience with them, but the two I already have will not fit either of my GPUs. I need to offer them up for sale but I have been too lazy to bother with it for something of such minimal monetary value.

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/cinebench_-_r23_multi_core_with_benchmate/submissions/5891713

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/cinebench_-_r20/submissions/5891716

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_speed_way/submissions/5891683? | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/141353547

https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_steel_nomad_dx12/submissions/5891699 | https://www.3dmark.com/sn/8515121

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

The person who used that wireview pro, and the wire view pro actually caused the cable imbalance with amperage and a single wire of his 12vhpwr cables was running like 90c+ if he would have left it, it would have melted that single wire. He stopped using it and everything was good after that apparently. It is essentially adding in extra connections that are completely unnecessary though, and it reduces the connection quality. I know that the 12vhpwr is picky and sensitive I think. Me personally I run a straight cable. I can cook my card with all the power I want. Cable runs like 35-43c range. It is completely reliable. Unfortunately I cannot use a wire view pro anyways due to how my 5090 FE plug is angled. But I don’t need one. After 6 months daily abuse, heck I trust the thing now lol. 

There are too many wildcards and variables that come into play with this feces 12VHPWR cable and I think if anything is less than perfect it is going to turn to crap. But, as you know it doesn't matter at this point. The WireView Pro was defective (DOA) and had to be returned to Amazon for a refund. No power would pass through it to the GPU. I saw another purchaser posted a review of the same problem. So, no WireView and not going to buy another. The 1500W UPS is working great. 

Like you, I have had zero problems with it and consider myself lucky. With and without WireView, no burning, melting or even warm cables on my systems.

I haven't started using the chiller yet, but this beats my top score using the chiller. 

https://www.3dmark.com/sw/2676664 |  https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_speed_way/submissions/5891576?

22 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Yeah the 4090’s just don’t pull power like that though. They are 450w stock, and rarely pull 600w. I know Motivman and Yzonker and another person used wire view pro with shunted 5090 and their cables would burn them if they touched it. They stopped using wire view because of this. I would be extremely careful. 

Yes, I will be careful. I am usually more careful that necessary and I have always been super-paranoid about these defective new connections. Since my first GPU with the chintzy 12VHPWR connectors I am constantly feeling of the cable and WireView or using my IR thermometer and so far none have ever melted or gotten overly hot.

My 4090 Suprim has a 1kW vBIOS and when pushed hard on the chiller it will chug 1000W easily. If I see any evidence that the cable is getting hot/hotter with the WireView than without it I will return it for a refund to Amazon. Even if I end up returning it, I will at least be able to see how much power is getting pulled through the 12VHPWR socket with the shunt mod.

I still think damage to the GPU itself is reduced with it because the WireView itself is a heatsink and all of the power pins that connect to the GPU come from a common bar. I think it provides a level of load balancing among the pins that NVIDIA so "thoughfully" (negligently) omitted. But, while I think the socket on the GPU is safer, that is not going to do anything whatsoever to help the cable connecting to the WireView not melt. It may be that the cable gets hotter because the WireView acts as a heatsink.

It will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

42 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I’m glad it’s working well! Also I wanted to tell you I would not use a wire view pro. I know they are nice and very useful. But that’s primarily for a stock 5090 pulling no more than a sustained 600 watts. I’ve seen some issues of cables so hot using the wire view pro on shunted 5090’s, that melting is imminent. I would run just a straight cable to your 5090. Return the wire view pro. I’m totally blind on my cable. I had a sensor on it, but I trust it now. It’s been great and that’s inside a closed case, so I let the sensor monitor my case temp instead.

I've have two of them already and the first one was the initially released product from a long time ago and I haven't had any problems with them on both 4090s. The only reason why I had to buy a new one is because my connector is reversed on the Zotac. I think the possibility of the connector melting in the GPU if it is plugged in all the way could be less than a cable melting because all of the current is passing through a large piece of metal instead of individual wires. I think the possibility of the cable melting where it plugs into the WireView is exactly the same as it would be with the cable connected to the video card.

The biggest issue with them is not fitting everything that uses this power socket. There are too many design variances from one GPU to the next. I had to use a Dremel tool to carve away part of the acrylic on both of my 4090 Bykski waterbocks. And neither one of them would fit with the stock air cooler installed.

From any angle that I look at it there's nothing good or satisfying about this new power connector and it amazes me that they continue using it in spite of its extremely stupid, fragile design and glaring engineering defects. That is a reflection of what a sad, sad, sad situation we have in the PC tech space. We have been overrun by retarded baboons that have been given free reign to make stupid decisions that screw things up for everyone and no accountability for their stupidity.. it is the perfect example of the classic definition of insanity... Continue making the same mistake and expecting a different outcome.

So, as best I can tell just playing a game like DOOM: The Dark Ages with no overclock the GPU is pulling around 700W now and between 950 and 1000W from the wall now. Boost clock is a little over 3000 MHz and no fluctuation.... just a flat line. Speedway the same. Stock boost is a flat-line 3000 MHz and about 1100W from the wall. runing Speedway. The power cable is not even getting a little bit warm to the touch.

I ordered a new Cyberpower 1500W UPS because both of the 800W untis that I have power off under 100% 3D load. They used to beep once in a while using the 4090 but never powered off. They clearly cannot handle what this shunted 5090 is requiring of them.

I also ordered a new WireView Pro with the down-facing connector so I can actually see how many watts are getting pulled through the 12VHPWR cable. GPU-Z is showing like 480W paying DOOM, so it may be more than 700W just stock. Both of those will be here tomorrow.

Here's the stock clock flat-line graph from Speedway. Before the shunt mod a stock run was something like 2850-2870 boost clock and constantly fluctuating. So, without touching anything is running much more aggressively now.While I am waiting for those items to arrive I am going to switch to the stock vBIOS and see if the behavior is the same, better or worse compared to the GigaChad vBIOS after the shunt mod.

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

w00t! Looking forward to it! Seeing results from stock, AC, water, chilled and now shunted shows a nice progression. 

Mission accomplished. 100% working. My UPS is screaming bloody murder now and a quick MSI Kombustor run is now showing nearly 1200W getting pulled from the wall, whereas before it was between 850-900W doing the same thing.

It was not possible to do the Jufes incognito shunt mod because this new style of resistor has the solder points lower than the black plastic part of the resistor. Older resistors were the opposite, with the solder points on each end being flush or taller than the plastic. The resistors don't make contact as the solder points unless you use solder to bridge the air gap with this newer design. The dimensions are also smaller, so even if I had the right resistors in terms of resistance they would have been too long to work. So, she is soldered. I figured out on the second resistor that it worked easier to flip it over with the labeled side facing the original resistor. It was easier to hold in place for soldering with them face-to-face instead of labeled side up due to the shape of them.

I have to leave for a doctor's appointment in a few minutes but I will do more testing tonight and this weekend. Will most likely hook up the chiller tomorrow. Here are the PCB photos. Very well-made GPU.

Shunted resistors...

Looks like Kombustor was drawing around 800-900W. @tps3443