Mr. Fox

It's almost midnight in Norway. Happy Birthday tomorrow Brother @Papusan. May you enjoy many more of them, filled with happiness in between. We are glad you are our friend.

13 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

RIP. Frank Beard

 

Frank and Dusty are jamming together in paradise now. Billy is no spring chicken, so he may join them soon.

ZZ Top was one of my favorite Southern Rock bands of all time. True icons that produced some legendary and timeless music hits. The entertainment industry just does not make music like they did any more. I had the privilege of seeing them live, in concert, at the Arizona State Fair in November of 2005.

4 minutes ago, Papusan said:

For less money? Still heavly overpriced. Should be more like "more garbage for more money"😎 

I do not disagree. It should be priced under $200 or not at all. But, less money compared to their other offerings. Their new loss leader for losers. The notion that they would sell a 4GB version is beyond laughable and worthy of harsh ridicule.

Confirmed only blown fuses. GPU is totally fine. I bridged the F1 fuse solder pads with a wire for testing and it's good to go. Now I just need the fuses and we'll be back to normal +1 fuse for extra capacity.

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

What have changed the last months @Mr. Fox?🙄

August update crashes games and has bugs such as black screens

The August update for Windows 11 (KB5121003) can cause games like Arc Raiders to crash and is struggling with other problems.

Nothing has changed, unfortunately. They are still as stupid and incompetent as ever.

18 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

WOW......I mean I'm glad to see the fuses doing their job but damn.....

 

Hopefully this will be a quick and easy fuse swap and upgrade, but yikes.

I am actually kind of surprised they have not already blown the way I have pushed this GPU for benching. I've run way more than they should have allowed me to, but Steel Nomad is famous for the massive power spike in the first couple of seconds and I think that experimenting with the 2000W vBIOS together with the shunt modding was the straw that broke the camel's back for the fuses. I normally have used a 800W or 1000W BIOS.

Well, it seems the 12VHPWR fuses are blown on my 5090. I was launching Steel Nomad with a heavy overclock and the card turned off (red light for 12VHPWR came on). I checked the three fuses for the 12VHPWR with my mullti-meter and all three are open. So, I ordered new fuses from Mouser. I am going to add a 4th fuse  to the open solder pads for F1 that Zotac did not populate. That should take it from 720W fuse limit to 960 with the 4th 20A fuse. I checked the output side of the fuses against ground and there is no short. I think the massive power spike lauching Steel Nomad was just too much too sudden. In one way it sucks because it is very inconvenient, but in another way it is awesome that they did exactly what they are supposed to do.

This will give me a reason to test my new soldering tweezers. Should be (hopefully) fairly easy to replace them.

You'll want big speakers and a nice sub for this one.

More garbage for less money. 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

I used Asus Astral 5080 vBIOS before since it has a 450w limit on the MSI 5080 I had last year for a bit but all three fans worked. I'm going to end up flashing it again on the SFF OC like yours. That and Melon should open them up like a beast especially yours on water so a fan not working won't be an issue for you.

 

I wonder if a different version might wake up the non working fan since there are three variants floating around for the Astral 5080 (Black, Noctua, White)

Maybe another variant would wake up the non-functional fan. This is the XOC 450W vBIOS I use on the Prime 5080 and all three fans work. The one not working is near the I/O so that is a more critical fan being close to the die and VRM. But, it certainly will not matter when blocked.

58 minutes ago, Talon said:

Finally overclocking GPU is fun again. 

Absolutely. I have hated having to use the EVC2 for voltage control. It is a cool mod from a hardware geek perspective, but a real pain in the butt to have to implement, and we should not have to. All GPUs should function like a K|NGP|N or HOF GPU. I'd love it if we could get the power limits unlocked (adjustable) or simply removed (increased to something more than the GPU can ever pull, like 5000W) using software to avoid having to shunt mod. The risk involved with that kind of geeky fun (and loss of warranty) loses appeal when GPUs cost two to five times what they are actually worth. If it is done with software, there is no way to prove or enforce a warranty that excludes overclocked hardware that fails for reasons that have nothing to do with overclocking.

This is with the Astral 5080 XOC vBIOS. It totally exhausts the 450W power limit (pegged to 450W on the WireView Pro). I've ordered a block for it and will shunt mod it. One fan does not run so it is getting too hot and thermal throttling, but the software works great for the tweaks.

23 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

so guys, for easier follow-ups here the author profile on overclock.net as well as his newly set up GitHub page for the magical mVolt tool that lets us unleash our GPUs via software ONLY 🙂 

 

overclock.net profile: https://www.overclock.net/members/b00nza.701858/?filter_threads=1&filter_replies=1#activity

 

GitHub: https://github.com/b00nz/mVolt/

 

latest version now supports profiles, profile set at logon, V/F curve editor and other UI tweaks.

 

i did a quick check last night, both Xbar and GPU Core Voltage adjustments work flawlessly on the fly, same with Clock offsets for Xbar, Core, vRAM. like....no need for anything else anymore, really 😄 

Thanks. Nice. All rolled into one now. No need to use a separate tool for crossbar. I love it.

9 hours ago, Talon said:

 

How is that 5080 SFF? It's basically the only reasonably priced 5080 left at MC. Can it handle a higher wattage vBIOS? 

It does fantastic with the stock vBIOS but I have not had time to research or test one with higher power limit. If there is one you suggest give me a link to which one (or upload) and I will run some tests on it. I just ordered a Bykski block for it on AliExpress for $200 ($75 less than from Byski.us) with free shipping.

Bykski Armored End Port GPU Waterblock Gigabyte GeForce RTX 5080 Gaming OC 16G (N-GV5080GMOC-X-V2)

Here is a 12-loop run of Steel Nomad usng the stock vBIOS. About 10 loops in I installed the side panel and the GPU temps dropped by 2-3°C so the max temps would have been that much lower than HWiNFO64 is showing. 

Z890 Apex #2 landed and launched. The crappy Gigabutt Duo X is on its way back to Amazon. Everything is as it should be now. No problem not booting with 40x D2D like issue with the Duo X. The BIOS was from 2024. I flashed 9901 but left the 2024 version of Intel ME. No plans to update it. No need until something proves otherwise. So far nothing has. Temps are great. Runs 8800 no issue, same as the other Apex.

2 hours ago, Talon said:

The same DEV that created the original Melonvolt just released a separate tool for manually setting/overclocking the XBar without touching MSVDD at all! Just tested on my 5070 Ti and works flawlessly. Just set the offset, hit apply and bam. Amazing work. 

 

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29605861/

 

I guess both Devs are now sorta working together and will implement this Xbar offset tool into the Melonvolt tool so we don't have to use separate tools. 

 

Things are happening so fast lately with RTX 50 series. Getting wild. 

 

Jensen is having a bad week! 

 

Edit: Tool works great because you can add Xbar without needing to waste power or push voltage to get it to scale up. Saves if you're power limited and saves on wasted heat. 

 

Real world gaming in Battlefield 6 was about 2% on my 5070 test. But I'll take it. Added 500Mhz to my Xbar. In total about 13% over a stock card. Not bad at all..

Sweet! Just tested it and it works perfectly. Thanks for alerting us. 

Jensen stopped caring about what we want and need, so he needs to also stop caring about what we do if he has not already.

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

In a "we're blessed" moment, Imagine not having a decent amount of hardware to swap and test to log data and diagnose problems all because of a flaky/dud IMC on the CPU and hidden but known compatibility issue with KB sticks with some AsRock MBs.....crazy

Sheesh! What a stinking nightmare. Glad to see there will be a resolution. You're definitely blessed in that you had sufficient resources and spare product to allow the issue to be identified, as well as having a technical knowledge base adequate for it. For your average Point-N-Click keyboard jockey that would have been a valid reason for having a meltdown.

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Odds of scoring a secondary 5090, unlike the 4090 days, for a somewhat sane price (less than $3k) have long flown the coop. $1100 is super close to MSRP. Did you snag a WF OC SFF or normal?

SFF. The dimensions are basically identical to the Prime.  Which means it would have been yesterday's version of a normal sized video card. "Normal" today means unnecessarily large. 3070 FTW3 will be the emergency backup GPU.

46 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

This is awesome. I tested it on both of my 5080 GPUs and it definitely works. I will test it on the 5090 and see if it will allow me to remove the EVC2 mod without losing anything. I hope that Jensen is not happy. He doesn't deserve to have a happy life.

Yup, works like a champ on my 5090, too. I'll do some testing and if it does as good or better I will remove the EVC2 mod and just use this instead. Then I won't have to care about the WireView Pro I2C conflicts because there will no longer be one without the EVC2. The MSVDD did goose my crossbar clock a bit on all three GPUs.

I think this could end up being the world's most loved utility. I haven't even used it for an hour yet and I love it. It gives us all what we deserved to get from NVIDIA, but they're just too scummy to give us everything they owed us for buying their absurdly overpriced gimped GPU crap.

This is such a nice CPU. The SP87 one you gave me actually seems to perform almost  the same except for the SP98 does it with less voltage. I think on the chiller it's not going to make much difference which one I am using. Without the chiller it will likely run cooler but they both run very reasonable temperatures even when pushed hard since being delidded. The chiller will be mainly useful for the GPU to boost higher and hold boost clocks. I feel blessed to have two really great 270K Plus samples. I think I paid too much for it, but everything worth having  is overpriced and a poor value now, so I digress.

5 hours ago, Talon said:

Now with Melon Volt 0.2 you can punch the voltage on that 5080, on both the NVVDD and MSVDD. No longer voltage limited on 5070, 5070 Ti, 5080, or 5090s on default vBIOS. Now just power limits until shunt that is.

 

Overclock.net forum going wild with new version that lets us unleash the cards!

 

Jensen is not going to be happy about this lol. 

This is awesome. I tested it on both of my 5080 GPUs and it definitely works. I will test it on the 5090 and see if it will allow me to remove the EVC2 mod without losing anything. I hope that Jensen is not happy. He doesn't deserve to have a happy life.

4 minutes ago, Talon said:

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29605610/

 

Defender throws up false virus readings. So had to disable to get it. 

Awesome. Thank you.

I have always removed Defender garbage from Windoze so I don't have to worry about Micro$lop's ever-growing database of false positive file flags or bogus blacklists nonsense.

3 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Now with Melon Volt 0.2 you can punch the voltage on that 5080, on both the NVVDD and MSVDD. No longer voltage limited on 5070, 5070 Ti, 5080, or 5090s on default vBIOS. Now just power limits until shunt that is.

 

Overclock.net forum going wild with new version that lets us unleash the cards!

 

Jensen is not going to be happy about this lol. 

Interesting. Got a link? Never heard of Melon Volt.

I think I forgot to mention... Given the unsavory trajectory of GPU pricing, I grabbed another 5080 on sale from Microcenter last week for $1100 and snagged the last one available. I put the Prime 5080 in the SFF living room build because the Gigabyte Windforce OC I snagged has a higher core voltage and crossbar clock and I want it in one of my preferred builds.  That's still more than a 5080 should cost, but about $400 less than the asinine price most are selling for and it's not going to get better anytime soon. I rationalized spending less on something that I don't need right now versus paying an undetermined amount more later when I do need it. I also think it might be easier to source a waterblock for the Windforce that isn't selling for an idiotic price. I could only find one option for the Prime, and the price was totally unacceptable. Paying current 5090 prices is a fool's errand and I will have no part of it. Utterly insane and absolutely not worth it, even by a long stretch of the imagination. The price-to-performance math and logic simply does not work for 5090 at current prices.

13 hours ago, electrosoft said:

It makes you wonder why a 2-dimm board would introduce extra length to the traces and chance for signal errors at high/tight settings unless the spacing is compatible for a potential 4 dimm version too?

 

Yeah I'm right behind ya with a Newegg RMA.  I already got my RMA to send back the Asrock B850i Phantom. Basically shares the same BIOS as the B850M-C and both are trash IMHO that are having the exact same problems that extend beyond the whole KingBank fiasco. 

They used the space to the right of the DIMM slots for a vertical NVMe slot and heatsink, which I am totally fine with. I like that a lot, same as DIMM.2 and the NVMe slot on the B850MPOWER next to the memory. But, it is goofy that they put just enough distance between the slots to make the Supercool block not work. The Apex has wider spacing than most as well, and the IceMan block is too narrow for the Apex. So, the Elite Duo X has even more space than the Apex. You don't notice it until you try to screw the block onto the DIMM jackets. You have to bend the modules toward one another to get the screws in, so that is not cool. I initially installed it and got to looking closer and did not feel comfortable with the visible amount of distortion. I tried using thicker thermal pads on right DIMM to shift the cold plate toward the left memory slot to balance it out and relieve the tension, but that was not enough to get them straight enough for me to feel comfortable with the installation being "safe" for the memory slots. (That thermal pad trick works fine on the Apex to use an IceMan block because the space is not as great. It's only about 0.75-1.0mm wider than normal spacing on the Apex.) Things would be better if all of the OEMs held to a standard on this.