Mr. Fox

26 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Last run before switching back to my SP91 12900k for some comparative tests. 12900ks SP94 can definitely do 5.4 all core but it will need a delid and better cooling to really make it shine as I'm thermal throttling on my 420mm AIO. Wish it was winter right now. A delid at the minimum will get it doing 5.4 all core on the 420mm AIO easy. Better cooling will just kick it up a notch to maybe 5.5. Core #1 is clearly the monster of the group.

 

 

 

Yes, that's a really nice sample you have there. Congrats, bro.

Nice... something special on Github for Winduhz 11 fanbois.

A new twist for story time for the kiddies...

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Tale of two 12900ks chips:

 

I just got back earlier from my bud's place to unfurl his new Best Buy 12900ks on his Hero and it is an SP84 and a dog. Even at stock (5.2) we couldn't dial it down any lower than ~272w under CB23. 5.2 all core I have mine down to 227w under CB23 running 10min stress test. His 5.3 all core was 319w vs my 255w both on auto. I still need to dial it in to see how low it can go. I jokingly told him I think his chip was meant for me. He wasn't amused. I'm sure he'll play around with it over the next few days and at least shave a little of that off.

It is unfortunate that Intel, AMD and NVIDIA can get away with crap variance in product quality like that. It's really messed up, maybe even immoral, that you could grab two processors from the same shelf at the same time, pay the same price for both, and end up with two such remarkably different experiences. Rather than calling binned CPUs a "KS" and selling them for more, they should sell the inferior products for less because they are inferior. But, that would be an honest way of running a business, and honesty is rare in the realm of technology. 

I finally took time to delid the 10900K in Banshee last night. I did not have time to tinker with bare die. This is just a delid with Liquid Pro on the die and KPX on top of the IHS. Maybe this weekend I will find some spare time to test the Supercool Computer direct die block that I have never used. Maybe not though. The 12th Gen delid kit will be here, so I will most likely burn my calories on that.

Definitely worth it. It really amazes me that there are still people that think it doesn't help enough to bother. Excluding the 5950X as an exception, I have never seen an example where a delid brought so little improvement as to not matter. Results below are with the same BIOS settings. Ambient temps are 76-78°F (about 25°C).

Before Delid: 15 minute stress test

After Delid: +6 minutes longer stress test (21 minutes)

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

Microsoft's insistence on signing in with an account will most likely drive away people with little or no internet connection — a consequence that shows Microsoft isn't interested in catering to everyone anymore.

They only want the sheeple for customers. They are smart enough to recognize that the sheeple are their target audience. Shooting fish in a barrel isn't fishing, but you can harvest a lot more fish without any skill being required for success.

Likewise, being bad doesn't mean that you're not smart. For example, I think it is pretty apparent that Satan is smart, he just uses what he knows for nefarious purposes.

2 hours ago, KING19 said:

 

That's interesting. Last i checked the marketshare for Windows 11 was at 8% and Windows 7 still has around 12% and Windows 10 at near 75%.

 

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide

 

1% is very low for an OS that been out for almost 6 months so im kinda skeptical about that

 

 

I think your numbers are more accurate from a global view. The survey in the article I linked was a more limited sample, but the underlying message is similar... Windows 11 sucks and it is not being embraced. So, it's a good message regardless of whose numbers we are looking at. It's only a bad message if you are Micro$lop fanboy or a Kool-Aid drinker. I consider it a good thing to be glad whenever lousy products fail, because I don't want the companies that produce garbage to prosper.

8 minutes ago, Vasudev said:

@Papusan and @Mr. Fox I believe W11 market survey is based on force upgraded to W11 just to get more OS usage.

TPM, Secure Boot etc being serviced/update by windows. It seems due to many OEMs neglecting BIOS updates to EOL machine is causing an issue. I think OEMs should support atleast 4 years and make less devices. Now there is too many devices to service and good machine or well performant machines are just EOL'ed to make way for new machines.

I'm sure that if there were more zombie turdbooks in circulation the market share of Windows 11 would be higher than it is right now. I suspect there are quite a few kiddos out there that want what they can't have, even though what they want is garbage. The Smart ones will figure out how to get what they want through common bypasses, but the rest will just whine about it, LOL. They should all be glad that their machines don't qualify for the downgrade. Just one less thing that doesn't need to be manually blocked.

I have 4 Noctua fans in Banshee, as shown in the above photo. I got them on sale for about half normal price quite some time ago. They are also weaker than I expected them to be, which is probably why they were so cheap. Running full blast they are not very loud, and don't seem to push more air at full speed. I do not care for the weirdness of their colors and wish I would have stuck with an ordinary high-powered (noisy) black plastic fan. 

That is going to look sweet.

2 hours ago, ryan said:

 

 

I guess benchmarks don't matter to me as much as you guys, I think for reference with the 1080ti and a slight overclock it was getting 52-53fps same scene same settings.....so I can't complain. I do wish it was like pascal when it comes to overclocking but as we have seen all good things are coming to an end cpu and gpu wise. I just don't get it....we offer to 1 and the jokebook cant handle it now we offer you 2 and it uses more power and creates more heat, so much better....end result 2<1.....sigh I miss the MXM days

It matters less to me now than it has in a very long time, and I am seeing that trend surfacing with other long-term benching enthusiasts. I have seen guys whose names I have known for years at HWBOT make random comments at ExtremeHW and Overclock.net forums that suggest they are starting to feel the same way.

I attribute this to changes in conditions that make overclocking and benching less attractive than it used to be. It has always been a hobby that costs money, but the list of things that detract from the fun and excitement is growing.

• Unreasonable prices (everything is far more inflated and overpriced than it ever has been)
• Product availability (although starting to trend more favorably, but if you can't actually buy one, then there is no reason to care that it exists)
• Poor value (different than cost to the extent that the benefit of an upgrade is becoming more difficult to identify... pointless to spend big money on small gains... getting milked on 3090 Ti, KS vs K CPU, etc.)
• Inconsistent quality (and increased financial risk due to silicon variance and poor manufacturing quality control... for luck to determine if you get a good or poor sample when spending money is unacceptable)
• Dumbing down of OSes and software (Windows is probably the biggest offender here)
• Shifting industry focus (meaning "what matters most" often matters least to an overclocking enthusiast... don't give a damn that it uses less power, runs longer on battery, etc.)
• Changes at HWBOT (some don't like the "new" way of competing and have lost interest on that basis... "seasons" suck... almost like YouTube now, you have to constantly produce or you lose ground)
• AMD (and NVIDIA to a lesser extent) making products that are mostly unimpressive to overclocking enthusiasts because they suck at overclocking
• BGA turdbooks that can't overclock well enough to bother (due to crappy firmware and lousy engineering) are now the new state of normal in PC technology. Even a modest desktop build with an ordinary AIO cooler is starting to be viewed by most consumers as "extreme" (LOL).

To fill the void, I am starting to derive a little bit of satisfaction from other things relating to technology while this mess either sorts itself out or blows itself up in the process. For example, I am spending more time with Linux because I am rapidly losing interest in Windows. I am starting to be more interested in making Linux work than I am fixing the things that I despise about Windows.

I am also trying, although with less success than I expected, to renew my interest in gaming. I think it is because there are fewer titles that I find appealing than there used to be. I find it increasingly difficult to identify new games that I actually care about or want to spend money on. Franchised titles that I used to enjoy immensely are often repulsive to me now due to the focus on online multiplayer and they often have no single player campaign. I bought a Steam Link device back around 2015 or 2016. I bought one for @Prema as a gift at the same time. They were on sale for a ridiculously low price (like $8-10 if I recall) and had never used it. This weekend, I hooked it up to my 4K TV in the living room. It worked flawlessly with my almost never used XBOX One Elite Wireless controller and Bluetooth wireless headphones. I don't like gamepads (keyboard and mouse are the only proper way to game) and I didn't get a lot out of the gameplay. But, I did enjoy experimenting with the hardware that has been sitting on a shelf and collecting dust for 5+ years.

Yes, my desktop is overclocked when I tinker with Linux and it was overclocked while playing with the Steam Link. No, not because it needed to be. It was overclocked because I could and because I wanted to. I don't think I would enjoy doing anything on it if it were not overclocked. 5800X3D... I don't think so. Not only no, but hell no. Might as well be BGA crap.

I ordered a kit from Rockitcool and now it seems the timing is multiple people are jumping on the bandwagon to make it as normal as it used to be. The 11th Gen abortion and Ryzen had a very chilling effect on the benefits of a delid.

It is also nice to see direct die having potential to become a thing for Ryzen. That's long overdue and much needed for 5950X owners. The delid was a waste of my time and money, but this probably would have made it worth doing.

http://www.supercoolcomputer.com/en/product/43/water-block-direct-die-amd

The Intel kit is out of stock, but I am hoping to snag one when it comes back into stock.

http://www.supercoolcomputer.com/en/product/39/direct-die-intel-gen12

I have one of these for 10th Gen that I have never used. I might try it out on Banshee. It's not ideal if you are constantly fiddling with the hardware because you can't take out the CPU without having to take extra steps to avoid a mess of spilled water, but on a system that is just a daily driver that rarely every gets tinkered with (which is how I use Banshee) it seems like the most effective CPU water cooling option.

I know my surprised look isn't on my face, but confirmation is always appreciated. Windows 11 gives those who still love and continue to use Windows 7 even less incentive to move the the latest OS because it is even more undesirable than Windows 8.X or 10 were.

One survey says Windows 11 adoption hasn't even surpassed Windows XP yet | TechSpot

By Daniel Sims April 17, 2022, 7:42 AM
 

The big picture: Before Windows 11 launched, it was met with controversy over its confusing system requirements. A few months later, data is beginning to show that this may have stalled the operating system's adoption. How severely depends on who you ask.

A survey released by IT company Lansweeper this week paints a dismal picture for Windows 11 adoption among enterprise workstations. Among over 10 million devices surveyed, just 1.44% ran Windows 11. That's less than the 1.71% still using the 20-year-old Windows XP and the 4.7% using Windows 7. Windows 10 predictably dominates, detected on 80.34% of systems.

Another Lansweeper survey of over 30 million devices reveals what is likely a major factor in Windows 11's sluggish adoption: over half of enterprise workstations don't meet its system requirements. Only 44% of systems passed its notorious CPU requirements. The company's numbers come from anonymous scans of systems running its software, not unlike Steam's monthly surveys.

@Papusan

Have a wonderful day, guys. Today is my favorite holiday.

On 4/16/2022 at 9:06 AM, johnksss said:

These are the gpus that finally made it off the ship from being stuck at sea for like over a year. 

And they threw in a few 3090 TI's for good measure.😂

Nice to see some stock available for people that live within driving distance of a MicroCenter. It has been a long time since I saw good inventory counts. Prices are still too high, but after they finish unloading the shipping containers we might see prices come down even further.

11 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Well.... I stand corrected. 12900ks better than my SP91 12900k

 

SP94

P = 102

E = 79

 

Congratulations. It's nice when you can be wrong about something that turns out good.

I have first dibs on it if you decide to sell it. 😄 

16 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I'll pop it in later tonight or tomorrow but my track record with bad bins from Best Buy is pretty epic.

Did you have a chance to see if it is a keeper or a defective sample RMA candidate?

What do you say to Best Buy when you return lousy silicon samples for a refund? (Curious what you tell them.) Do they give you any crap or resistance?

17 hours ago, electrosoft said:

I'm not sure what they or we can do in regards to the GPU if all that is being offered now is non MXM solutions but only BGA options then what? At least with flexible memory and CPU we remove two points of known failure but I agree I am not a fan at all of the soldered on GPU in any way, shape or form.

 

I'd still take this hybrid DTR over the completely soldered BGA laptops that are out there instead though.

The solution is to boycott everything and say no with your wallet. It probably won't matter because we are seriously outnumbered by idiots. Those idiots are the reason the rest of us are screwed. Surrendering isn't a good option though. Calling something good simply because it is the least screwed up option makes being better less relevant. It is a misuse of the word good and a falsehood that perpetuates mediocrity and normalizes suckiness.

Choosing between full and partial BGA is like choosing between two incurable fatal diseases. Better to spend less and expect less than to pay top dollar for permafilth. If you find yourself stuck with having to settle for mobile garbage, spend as little as possible on it and set the bar at basic computing functionality and it won't hurt quite as bad as spending a lot on a disposable soldered piece of crap.

5 hours ago, Reciever said:

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/74309332?

 

My best run tonight after modding additional cooling potential to the P750FM. It seems my scenario is not going to break any records. 😛

 

What do you guys think? Decent performer?

Since I have essentially ignored laptops for several years due to lack of interest, it is almost impossible for me to identify "decent" mobile performance on face value. But, the numbers shows that you are the Fire Strike world record holder for 9700F and mobile 1080. Your closest competitor is an MSI notebook that trails you by roughly 800 points.

3DMark Fire Strike Ranking Results

36 minutes ago, Talon said:

Sorry I meant to type 5000. I used to have a Corsair 450d, still have it in the garage actually. 
 

Then I looked into it a bit more and found it can’t house a 420mm officially. So I may need to spring for the 7000 airflow. I think the 420mm cooler could really help though so I may go for it. 

The 7000D is basically a larger version of the 5000D. The 5000D is super nice and well made, but you can't fit dual 360's in it and you cannot fit a thick 360mm in the top panel like the one I have mounted in the front panel because there is not enough clearance between the top panel and motherboard. If you put a radiator in the top it has to be a normal thickness and even if you go with a slim radiator there is not enough height for push/pull on the top panel mounting unless (maybe) you also go with slim fans. The 7000D has plenty of clearance between the top panel and the mobo. Both 5000D and 7000D support vertical GPU mounting with no need for a bracket. All you need is a PCIe cable. Although I am not sure if a 3+ slot GPU like your 3090 Ti would work in a vertical mount with the stock air cooler. If it did fit, the air flow would most likely be impaired due to close proximity to the side panel.

I would buy the biggest and best you can handle financially. I agree with Brother @electrosoft that you should NOT go below 1000W. If you buy more PSU than you need, you're good to go now or later. As long as it keeps working you never have to worry about getting a bigger PSU later. I realize you are looking to minimize cost right now, so stick with a known reliable brand 1000W minimum. EVGA warranty service is the best.

3 hours ago, Talon said:

Corsair 6000D

Did you mean 5000 or 7000 by chance? I cannot find anything on the 6000 model number.  My 5000 is smaller than I would have liked and wish I had spent more for the 7000D Airflow instead. The Level 20 XT is stinking GIGANTIC and I love that. It will handle 3 420MM radiators if memory serves me correctly.

7 hours ago, Talon said:

Actually the stock RGB 140mm fans at the top are now gone. I have gone to some cheap-o basic black Artic P14s I got on Amazon in a 5 pack. I have them setup in push/pull so it's a tight fit in there lol. I have a lot of air moving through this tiny case. I want to change the Noctua fans to the new Chromax black version, but at $33 a fan I can't justify the cost yet lol. They work and that is what I care about most. 

Looks good, bro. You did fit a lot in there.

@Sandy Bridge nice ride. I think it looks great.

I am not a fan of the RGB rainbow puke and primarily only do white LED. The front fans are blue because I couldn't find white LED, and the blue was not as obnoxious looking as red. I'm considering snipping the wires to the blue LEDs on the front panel fans or replacing the LED diodes with white ones since they are super inexpensive to purchase.

9 hours ago, Papusan said:

All have a Happy Easter 2022 🙂

 

 

@Prema https://hwbot.org/achievement/1070_

Almost as 6th gen Intel mobile processors…. Fully locked. Even under-clocking isn’t allowed.

Overclocking the Ryzen 7 5800X3D is not possible. The BIOS does offer the usual options to change the multiplier, but these have no effect. Reducing the multiplier to underclock has no effect either.

I also tried adjusting the base clock from 100 MHz to 103 MHz, but that didn't even POST.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/22.html

Those muppet children are so happy because each of their Easter eggs have a 5800X3D inside.

The issue that I find more disturbing than the idiots at AMD releasing a castrated piece of trash like that is that there are people stupid enough to buy it after hearing of its flaws because it's a "gaming CPU" LOL.

Maybe this is a test that serves a business purpose for AMD to find out how high they can raise the bar on mediocrity and nonsense, as in how  much they can get away with and how much of it their Kool-Aid drinking sheeple are willing to put up with.

On 3/31/2022 at 2:43 PM, ryan said:

yeah I decided to hang on to it and go the egpu route in a few years...not a heavy gamer so i should be set for a while

Smart move, by a smart guy.

On 4/1/2022 at 7:32 PM, aldarxt said:

These new laptops are starting to look like smart phones

I bought this GOBOXX SLM  G2721 2 mos ago for $800 bucks on ebay and I aint buying another new until I can get a robot dog that can jump up on my bench and turn into a laptop

Many of them are little more than a glorified smartphone. Hardware is being toned down and the OS dumbed down. That said, they are not as unpleasant and cumbersome.