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@Mr. FoxThank you for your elaborate answer, really appreciated. Despite all the negativity. 👍 It doesn't really surprise me, since i know most you already from NBR - my old account there is from around 2015 - and therefore i am aware of the stance regarding soldered and BGA hardware in general. I don't do heavy gaming, so my needs in upgrading are very low and i am pretty sure, that my current laptop will be fine performancewise for at least another 3-4 years. Especially with Linux. To be honest, despite that i don't really ticking any boxes for this community - maybe only that i own a laptop - i know and appreciate the experience many of the members are bringing along. In common PC hardware communities it is difficult to find experts for all things related to laptops. f.e. BIOS mods are deemed as rocket science there. Even that i cannot contribute much, that is the reason i followed over from NBR and stayed. The OS switch was the only thing i changed on my laptop since joining here.
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Since my question in one of the offtopic threads was mostly ignored - especially by the "core" members - i will give it one more try in here. How do you think will be the future outlook for NotebookTalk, after the last upgradeable chassis has reached its EOL? There will be a point in the near future, where you won't be able to fit current CPU/GPUs into your beloved non-BGA cases. This community isn't - and never will be tbh - that large in the slightest as NBR and therefore lacks depth. Not criticism, just stating facts. Where do you see this community in 5 years? All state-of-the-art laptops will be proprietary by then. What will be we talking about then, if nothing can be upgraded anymore? The last practical Windows (10) won't get security patches anymore? I already have switched completely to Linux and my next gaming rig will be from a hardware vendor, which specializes in Linux. I don't have any issues with BGA, my machine is already from 2016 and is still running great. Linux is getting more traction in here, but this doesn't solve the non-upgradable hardware issue, which always has been the main driver for NBR and also this community.
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I did buy a new monitor 3 weeks ago: https://www.lg.com/uk/monitors/ultrawide/38wr85qc-w/ Fantastic allrounder. Great picture and reliable KVM switch, which i use for 2 laptops.
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Firefox, what else? 😁
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The Prime Thanatos OUTRUN Playlists:
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After some back and forth i have finally settled with debian-based TuxedoOS. Everything is running fine, even a nice control-center with fan controls. They sell laptops and desktops for Linux, but the software is running on my Clevo without issues.
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You may laugh, but i never have owned a system, that is capable of running/displaying more than 60fps. What FPS or Hz do you see as a minimum for improvement after the base value of 60? I don't play shooters, MMOs are the most action the system would be getting. I am pretty sure, i will need a new laptop and a monitor to get anything above 60 fps/Hz - my current display only supports 60Hz - but the main question are the minimum requirement. Resolution is also key. Huge difference between 2160p or 1440p, even for older games.
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Which one do you have? The 32" Optix or MPG version?
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I was wondering, if this community will outright wither and die, if there will be only BGA builds left to talk about and the non-BGA builds cannot be upgraded anymore? The hate for BGA is oozing from all threads in here, so there is that. Personally, i don't care about the hate, because my BGA doesn't offer anything to target, since it has been running perfectly for 7 years now. And with Linux it will easily reach 10 years and beyond. Even Windows 11 is running without issues on an external SSD. Do you think, the community will be capable to exist with BGA-only builds? TBH, as before with NBR, i only got there because of Clevo. For Dell, Lenovo etc. i can go to any other tech community for help as well. Even for mods. And manufacturers with modular parts like Framework already have an active online community in the Fediverse.
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When they announced closing down business - the software was still developed for a couple of months - i tried to get the versions from them. But they never answered. I only experienced great support via e-mail from them over the years, but this was a letdown. The developer said, there were no plans to monetize the software after closing down. It's a shame, that the apps were not made available to the public.
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I only still use the fan control. I have 2019 versions of all 4 apps. Probably not the latest available version each. But i can upload them for you. @zex4 You got PM.
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2.4.9. is the latest. My machine is from Obsidian. It's a shame they don't build laptops anymore. Fantastic build, no issues since 2017.
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State of Clevo in 2023, especially regarding durability?
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I have one of these hated BGA machines. It's from 2017 and currently triple-booting 2xLinux and Win11. Running like day one. No need to upgrade. -
I went to large store for travel gear yesterday and got this one with a discount: https://www.packeasy.ch/en/collections/handgepaeck-trolleys/products/genius-business-trolley-schwarz Hard case. It was the one used for testing out with no obvious scratches and i got it for 200€.
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Has anyone experience with taking his gaming laptop on business trips? Do you use a backpack or a suitcase? I have a sports bag where i put the machine on top of the clothing as additional padding. I think that a trolley would be best, but i am not sure about the size. The gaming machines are often a little larger and thicker than typical 17,3" laptops. I have found the Wenger Patriot and Samsonite GuardIT 2.0 for now, that also offer great quality.
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32", UHD, 240Hz, KVM Switch with USB-PD. First reviews praise the perfect allround capabilities for gaming and office. f.e. https://tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus-rog-swift-pg32ucdm I think one of this gen will be my new monitor.
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I had a couple of days to brood about the situation and the longer i think about it, it makes less sense. The improvement for my current situation would be minimal. It would make more sense to invest in a display upgrade with an integrated USB-C hub or KVM switch. Most of these already support USB PD up to 65 or 100W. There are even gaming displays on the market with these specs. Time to think some more about it. 😭
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Holy moly. https://www.store.level1techs.com/products/hardware They have some switches meeting my criteria, but these start at 600$. Whew.
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I now know that this only works properly with a KVM switch. To simplify the search a little, I have shortened the minimum requirements; all KVM switches should fulfil the rest: 2x USB-C host connection (1x with at least 60W PD) At least 1 additional USB-C port 1x DP (4K/120+Hz ready) 1x RJ45, 1Gbit is sufficient
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As mobile working has been getting more important for me, I would like to free the setup on my desk from a few cables. I have a Surface Pro 7+ fro work and a Clevo gaming laptop (see signature), which are currently connected to a 32" 4K@60Hz display via HDMI+DP. The Surface has a USB-A and a USB-C port (both 5Gbit, USB-C with PD), the gaming laptop has 2 USB-A and 2 USB-C 10Gbit ports. Connection preferable via USB-C in each case. I would like to be able to connect both laptops at the same time. Input devices run via Bluetooth. A camera, printer (USB-A) and an external USB-C hard drive are mandatory USB devices. 1Gbit ethernet too, of course. The Surface should be chargeable via USB-C PD (60+W), the gaming laptop has its own 200W power supply. Then I don't need the Surface power supply anymore. I've only ever used docking stations for individual devices, which is why I'm asking what the right product is for switching between the laptops? In the medium/long term, it might not be a bad idea if the docking station supports 4K@120Hz in case I ever buy a monitor with a higher frequency. Any advice?
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I am running Ubuntu and TuxedoOS, both are running flawless with Steam.
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i am trying to get Garuda Grub to use my external display. Normally there is a key combination to activate an external display. Fn+F8 or else. I think, that all Clevo laptops (with numpad) have the same or very similiar layout. Which symbol should be the correct one? No Fn+ combinations are working at the moment for my display issue, but if i know the correct key, maybe i can work sth out.
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Come on, is nobody cleaning their keyboards from time to time?
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Since i am using my machine as a DTR with an external display, my laptop keyboard is rarely in use. To be honest, it's only mobile when on business trips. I now have found a couple of keys a little unresponsive - they are not sticky or getting stuck, but i have to push them harder to get them to function than ever before. Whar is your preferred way of cleaning such a keyboard? Or should i inspect single keys first?
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Sounds like, if you don't really need mobility, go always big for more screen size, better cooling and more connectivity options?
