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Too many variables at play doing that. I like testing from one source on a similar platform testing a compound against many others but this is better than nothing. 🙂

Did they test Duronaut against anything else except those three? I'd like to see it up against KPx or Kryonaut Extreme at least.

MSI *barely* included the screws only including *4* screws for 8 positions...... But yeah.

XFX out here trying to out Asus at their own game charging $940 for their top end 9070xt on best buy. Best Buy is only carrying Gigabyte and XFX 9070xt's

EVGA 3090ti is built like a brick house. When I bought (and returned) one from Amazon, my takeaway was "Best heatsink ever for 3000 series", "$2k for this tiny bit of uplift?" and "This thing is a portable furnace" I wouldn't mind picking one up used and inexpensive too just to have. It is still a solid card but whew is it thicc (in the best way)!

I never cared for Zotrash, but if they're pushing their prices up, that is the nail in the coffin removing even the, "well, at least they're priced better than other brands" category.

Yeah, I never signed up for the bi-weekly updates. I JUST saw that this last time when signing up for 9070xt alerts lol. VPA makes the most sense as does any type of que system. Just get in line and wait your turn. That's what I loved about EVGA. This is my first time ever signing up with B&H. In the past, I usually let the universe sort it out for myself and it has always worked out within 3-4 months of launch if not sooner. And yeah, the 5080FE is bringing all the heat I need actually in most instances, but there are a few spots in WoW like the Theatre event, outdoor raid bosses and Dornogal that I can hit 99% GPU utilization and FPS will be as low as the mid 60's. With this uber tuned 9800X3D, the 5080 hit a wall with very sub 100fps. 66fps on it means ~72-75fps on a 4090 in the same spot = ~95-105fps on a 5090 (in theory assuming the 9800X3D can cap out a 5090 in those same spots). This is 4k Ultra settings RT max. In the end, it's a leisurely entitled itch I wouldn't mind scratching but am ok if I don't too. Very nice! I gotta track down one at a decent price. The $800+ models pop up all the time but that's a hard pass. w00t!!! Patience and holding the line wins!

Which models did you sign up for? I only signed up for those two and skipped all the other ones. I've already turned down three MSRP 5090s already because they weren't the models I wanted and price. $2650 for a Ventus? $3k for a Tuf? A Zotrash for $2600? No thank you. Only models I'd buy are the FE (MSRP), Suprim (All hail MSI) and Astral (Go big or go home). I might pick up the Gigabyte if it pops because it's kinda/sorta on the sub $2500 side of the equation now at $2399.99 but even then I can't say that I would. Let me put it this way. Right now, I want a 9070xt MSRP much more than I want a 5090 MSRP (hence why I was signing up on the waiting list on B&H earlier). I very much want to do some WoW benchmarking with it and see if I could replace my 5080 and have an all AMD rig. Retailers have zero reason or motivation to do that. They want to move as much product as possible as expensive as possible unfortunately. 😞 Scalping is a lucrative business. What makes it even harder are individuals who luck up and get a card and then turn right around and scalp it and figure they'll get one when markets normalize. I'm not even mad at the individuals. Making a quick $1k-$3k profit makes sense when you could actually use the $$$ but I completely understand those who want one to use getting irked. When all is said and done, the market always works itself out. Time equalizes supply and demand. It always has. The scalping prices are already slowly coming down. Pre-builts are showing up and staying in stock longer than 5 seconds now (There's a few on MC page that didn't sell today at all). The Skytech 5090 pre-builts lasted all day on BB a few days ago before finally selling. People on the OC thread are slowly, but surely, getting their 5090s with some getting multiples even to bin. When stupid higher end bundles show up on newegg, they actually last awhile now instead of being instantly sold out. These are all signs everything is ever so slowly normalizing. We're less than 2 months into the 5090 launch and things are exactly where I thought they would be. Maybe a touch ahead of the curve actually.

Nope, not yet. I just found it funny I had signed up on launch day but totally forgot lol. I was organizing my email and B&H emails after I signed up for some MSRP 9070xt's and an MSRP Prime 5070 (I love the look of the Asus Prime Cards) and when I went to sort them I said, "Hey, what are these two extra emails from them?" LOL

While clearing out and organizing emails I forgot I signed up for B&H notifications/waitlist on launch day for the Astral 5090 at $2799 (now $3359) and the $1999 (now $2399) Gigabyte 5090, so I have those floating out there waiting to pop.... MSI wasn't available launch day, so I had never signed up for the Suprim or Suprim liquid lol.

See if the 2200 can handle a 90 min TM5 and an hour of Karhu at least. Worst case, fun benches. Best case, stable D2D at 2200! Agreed, 9000 series runs cooler and better than 7000. I had a 9950x3d ready for checkout on BB, but just couldn't justify it but 9800X3D vs my old 7800X3D it is much better across the board in every aspect. I can just imagine how much better the 9950X3D would be vs my old 7950X3D and the 7950X3D was known for running cooler and better than the 7950X. When you lop off its head, results are gonna be quite nice! Looking forward to some memory/cpu comparison data of the 7950X vs your 9950X3D.

As time is passing, ditto. Like I said, I'm lacking that normal razzle dazzle I have when new GPUs drop. I am noticing pre-builts w/5090's are now staying in stock usually for hours if not all day. That's another sign of demand shrinking but more importantly, yanking the GPU to sell on its own is no longer outright profitable in lieu of the entire system cost. Skytech's 5090 pre-built was available on BB for the last few days w/ 285k + 5090 for $4899.99 which isn't super terrible either pricing wise compared to others.

But all is well that ends well , good energy and you were rewarded with MSRP and a 5090 FE bro. 🙂 .....once you swap out that power cable and coolant color, your system is gonna be 100% righteous! 🤣

MSRP or BUST!!!!!

Nvidia should be absolutely ashamed of themselves for this: On one hand, the 5070 is 10% less than the 4070 Super MSRP, but damn.... From the 5090 on down (aka the entire 5000 stack), less is more and each step down the performance gains are less and less compared to 4000 vs 3000 but at least Nvidia: Kept the same price for the 4080 super -> 5080 (after learning their lesson with the original $1200 launch price of the 4080) Dropped the actual price by 10% for both the 5070/5070ti MSRP vs 4070 Super / 5070ti Super While 5090 owners get the biggest uplift, it is only ~30-35% AND 5090 owners really took it in the pills compared to the 4090 price wise even FE vs FE ($1600 vs $2000) and then it scales up even worse cost wise. Still processing even Asus 4090 Strix $2k vs $3359 5090 Astral. Paying ~68% more for ~30-35% uplift. damn. I think this is my general lethargy with the 5000 series atm.... It's gotta be an FE or price wise as close as possible to make it make sense.

3060 -> 3090 is a MONSTER upgrade! That's a nice rig setup especially for a 12yr old. He can basically play every title out there comfortably. What are his top 3 favorite games to play? Clearly he likes VR 🤣 His rig kind of sounds like my daughter's new incoming rig: 12900k, 6400 32GB, z790i Asrock Lightning. Only thing in flux is the GPU but it will end up being either a 9070xt or a used 7900xtx at this rate lol. Still want to upgrade my nephew's rig I hooked him up with simply because he is so kind and still grateful and loves that thing (12100 + A380 w/ 32GB 3600 DDR4 on an Asrock Pro B660M).

Only 5% slower at 1440p and 4k vs 5070ti is fantastic. Once MSRP normalizes (and it will at this tier sooner than later), the 9070xt is just an absolute banger of a card. AMD marketshare and sales have been bonkers so far overall with the 9070xt. Ugh crocs, how to completely lower the value of an Asus Astral 5090 from ~$3500 to 0....... 😂

You KNOW I'm all about the MSI Dragon swag!!! 🤣 --- Best Buy is doing a quiet 9070xt drop for the last hour, but it's all the $800-$920 cards of which I want none.

Yeah, that listing has scam written all over it in the worst way. And definitely black tubing BORG special is the look I like. That is very true of @Mr. Fox! --- @tps3443 with the new drivers, the clocks people are getting even with air cooled cards is pretty sick over on the ocn forums! Seems even 3200-3300 are popping left and right! I'm going to have to take them for a spin on my 5080 FE for gits and shiggles.... 🤣

So give it a run! Can't hide behind the beautiful but admittedly stunted heatsink/fan. It is what it is. Can't use lighter/select loads to hit certain clocks and post. Start running some common benchmarks so we can see where it lands. Put fans on 100% and let 'er rip! Then if/when you block it or open it up to improve the stock cooling, you'll really be able to see what differences you get. ---- That listing has scam written all over it. Remember they can also desolder the GPUs and memory from 5090s too. Any 5090 I bought second hand would have to be from someone I know or someone with an active positive sell record that is very recent. Locally, I would definitely need to see it in action before I paid for it and it would only be digitally paid for never cash. I just don't have a real, pressing urgency for a 5090. I can't explain it, but I'm nowhere near as pumped/excited this time around. I've already turned down what? 3 now? It will have to be an in the moment actual card I want for me to pick it up and even then I might say no. I do enjoy seeing everyone's results and excitement over scoring one though.

Gonna need to see the TSE/Wukong run! 🙂 I could push my 4090 to 3135+ in WoW at 99% GPU Utilization, but Wukong/TSE quickly dropped those clocks. See what Heaven will give you and if it can kiss/hit off of 3300mhz like below:

Yeah, my 5080 FE makes basically no noise but if you put a phone or pick up device right on it I can finally hear something on playback and that's it. I know exactly what you're talking about with that constant screeching/changing pitch coil whine. That was my 3090 FE and why I had to sell it off. It was literally making me sick to my stomach it was so bad. 3070 FE was nearly as bad so it had to go too. I did not know that about the 12VHPWR cable, hmmmm. I'll be curious to see how it stacks up against your Gene. That's more like it! If you want a true assessment of its clocks run something like TSE and maxed out Wukong demo to see where they properly settle. 5000 series owners are reporting the newest drivers are allowing higher clock settings on their cards. That's exactly where you want your out of box stock boost clocks to be (~2715-~2805mhz), so everything is looking good!

Congrats! It really is the greatest swansong to EVGA. (Shakes fist at Nvidia). Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed were your clocks seemed to not really be boosting like they should. I know my 5080 FE runs stock out of the box from 2715-2800 so something was wonky. Everything looks great though! Seriously though.... ....how's the coil whine and noise? 🙂

Just a little...... 🤣 --- I agree with you 100% on the coolers and engineering. I think the fuss is the AIB models run much cooler overall (all the engineering in the world can't defeat thermodynamics). If you do decide to block it (I wouldn't personally), you will see an astronomical difference in temps on the 5090 FE blocked vs unblocked. I just really like the look, build, fit and finish on the FE models and at $2k? Yes please. @tps3443 I was watching your initial OC of the 5090 FE video you posted..... Gotta get those OC clocks up man! I saw a max of ~2722....we need to see 2900+ at a min. 🤣 Do a CP2077 or Wukung bench to see where it really wants to go stock and OC. Were you capping the fps somewhere? Hows the coil whine on it?

Sheesh, looks like a nice one! I love it when I spin the wheel on another sample and it's markedly better than the first (I'm looking at you 9800X3D, 11900k, 8086k). It was the string of subpar 12900k's and the "return shuffle" that moved me into picking up binned only samples for 13th and 14th. I had to play the shuffle again with the 9800X3D and I did not enjoy that at all..... Let's see the BIOS screenies for both! I've backed off my OC'ing a lot compared to years ago but now it's all about dialing in the CPU for best ppw (where does the chip fall of the cliff power wise and backing off of that a touch and really dialing it in) along with really getting into memory tuning which can really effect game performance sometimes more than frequency overclocking. Quiet computing is very important to me but I do give a large bit of leeway to laptops when under load. But I will still push my hardware to test it and get some benchmarks because yeah! Then I return it to its D2D config. I'm probably one of the few, but I actually prefer the "borg like" look of soft tubing lol. Don't get me wrong, I like the look of hardline tubing, but something about the naturally generated curves and bends of soft tubing do it for me.