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The end game is obviously a system that looks like it stepped right out of Cyberpujnk / Blade Runner with every component neon lights 'esque lit up. Was @prema able to actually enable 13th gen and/or 14th gen support on the NH55?

Nice custom builds including Deltamate Astral Block on a pretty sick build (timestamped) at Computex: I just watched this and I expected worse to be honest. 8GB is trash overall, but it had the best cost per frame and was beating the 4060 pretty handily. "3070 with a 40% discount" lol If they had offered it with 12gb of memory it would be an acceptable $300 card but the problem is going to be the 9060 XT 16GB at $350.

Plenty of 5090s available at MC now along with Newegg (which is still only selling Suprim's in combo BS)..... Even a decent amount of 9070xt's including the Taichi I originally wanted at an already inflated launch MSRP of $729.99 but it is now officially $850 and basically DOA to me at that price point. Considering the 5080 die is full fat, the only other option was a new die, severely cut down 5090 die or as was predicted with all the overclocking and tdp overhead on pre-existing 5080's they were going to up the power package and slap on 3gb modules vs 2gb modules and probably charge at least $1200 for it MSRP if there's an FE of it..

Load up HWinfo and/or GPU-Z along with MSI AB when running and see how much the card is pulling under load both Timespy and Steel Nomad. You really shouldn't have to undervolt your 4080 in any way for it to operate normally. I'll assume you have tried a clean Windows install or at least a DDU and graphic driver re-install.

I just finished watching this and wow.... Just when you think Nvidia can't get any scummier, they find a way. They really have lost their way as a gamer, enthusiast, consumer friendly maker of GPUs. Each and every cycle they keep trying to find ways to freeze out enthusiasts, push a narrative counter to what enthusiasts want and need and have just become a sad shadow of what they used to be and mean to gamers and benchers. Make your products, distribute them to reviewers and let the chips fall where they may.... They are Intel circa 10yrs ago. Dominant, arrogant and trying to control every narrative including creating branding partnerships and either bribing or threatening OEMs to only include their products when able to do it. They are in a position now that they NEED to keep being on top decisively because the moment they slip, they will get AMD'd like Intel did. Ironically, Intel is making inroads in the low end market and AMD is actually doing damage in the middle. Consumer opinion is starting to sour just a bit too.

Yeppers, HWU is correct. "As it stands now" aka with the inflated prices on the 9070xt (not MSRP) and scarcity, the 5070 is the better buy because pricing on the 9070xt atm is outlandish. No one should ever pay more than $700 tops for a 9070xt or it quickly loses its value. I mean, I'm glad people continue to buy it in the face of Nvidia, but that doesn't change the value proposition. If you're dropping more than $700 or especially $800, start looking for a 5070ti or queue up for a 5080 FE.

No, that's not how it is. Every card has different levels of coil whine and electronic noise. Some are loud and some are quiet bordering on non existent. Some are medium. WoW / Fallout 76 / Timespy testing I run my case completely open and as you know it sits up and right next to me about three feet away from my ear. My Astral is quiet even when hitting 238fps cap (display cap is 240hz) in WoW, Fallout 76 at 175fps (engine cap) and TS testing. Second Astral I tested and sent off to my bud had audible coil whine at 100fps and worse at 200fps His 5090FE was very audible and loud at anything 100fps+. 200fps+ was a very audible. Not 3090 FE level but leaning more towards that than anything Both of my Gigabyte 9070xt were quiet which was an about face compared to 7900xtx. My 4090 MSI Liquid X was very quiet under load sub 200fps. 200fps+ it would come to life. My 5080FE was nearly dead silent and remains the quietest GPU I've tested at 200fps+ Every 7900xtx I tested besides the MSI was loud. 3070 Founders was very audible closer to the 3090 FE. 3070ti Master was quiet 3080 Strix was actually medium noise but acceptable. My 3090 FE was the worst offender. It still gives me coil whine PTSD. That is awesome! You managed to squeeze the Asrock Aqua 7900xtx vBIOS on your red devil? Nice. What do you get on a normal TS run to compare to my card results database?

Yeah, I was ready to slurp up all that headroom on the 5080FE then Nvidia said, "Nope." Quite frankly, I shouldn't have to shunt a card to get it to open up when an XOC vBIOS is available for non FE cards but I do understand the reasons. I also understand it will eventually leak. 🙂 imho, 9070xt and 5070ti at MSRP are the ultra banger spots this generation. USA is lagging, but other countries are already getting close to MSRP on a lot of their cards. 5080FE is a banger for $999. If the 5090FE had 100% performance uplift over the 5080FE, it would be a banger for $1999. If the Astral 5090 had a 150% performance uplift over the 5080FE, it too would be a banger 🤑🤣 Pick your poison.... 1,2 or 4 shunts. In for penny, in for a pound! Another YT'er who is being assaulted with the 5090 FE coil whine / electronics noise to the point he might switch back to his 4090. You gotta put yours under 200fps+ and put the phone up next to it for us to hear. I know it's possible as my 5080FE was dead quiet.

5080 Astral OC beating a stock 4090. Still no excuse compared to the 4080 flat out beating the 3090ti though. My results right out of the gate had the 5080FE within spitting distance of my MSI Liquid 4090 in WoW (~125fps vs 135fps) and the 4090 was overclocked in that scenario. This is a good overall 5080 vs 9070xt vs 7900xtx stock and OC'd video. I'm really liking this guy's work since he was in the sub 5k range subs. 7900xtx is still a beast of a card..... He likes Asus but readily says the pricing is bonkers.

Crazy to see you moving away from 1dpc boards to 2dpc boards and prioritizing other things now but it makes sense as you've divested yourself of a good chunk of your cooling equipment and migrated back to actual cases recently. The state of the computer market has me not feeling so zesty either. 😞 I suspect each cycle Nvidia will try their damn hardest to continue to lock down and out everything and continue to suck all the joy out of tinkering and overclocking as best as possible. This might be the FE bitterness speaking a bit though too. 🙂 He should at least try if he has a normal Astral. So he has both an Astral and that sweet voltage sample of an FE and not flashing anything to the Astral? Sheesh.

Yeah, therein lies the problem. Only one source, no other vBIOS's and I'm sure zero XOC's being created around it. No chance of a block either. I still kinda want one tho.... 🤣 I still like the FEs, but that vBIOS BS just irked me to no end to the point I sold off my 5080 FE. Oh, and those temps didn't excite me either but not being able to cross flash other vBIOS's or a potential XOC vBIOS? Deal breaker. If I had an 5090FE, it would be UV and slapped in an SFF case. That is where it shines. Anything else is all AIB superiority. Well, at least you tried it out for us so now we know. Let me ask you this. If you didn't have the gene, would you have kept it? Hey! As long as you like it and it works for you, that's all that matters. Different strokes for different folks hence all the AIB models too. I'm hoping they find a way to break through on the 5090FE to let you cross flash different vBIOS's but that was a crap move on Nvidia's part to lock it down further this time around. That is artificially limiting the 5090FE even vs the 4090FE and removes the third part of the OC'er holy grail (vBIOS options, blocking, shunting (negated by XOC vBIOS)). The fourth would be silicon lottery. That 5090 FE with that 1.1+ voltage on OC is a potential monster in the making if he blocks and shunts it. Luckily, even limited, you can at least shunt and block it to realize the other two parts of its performance potential which will be nice to see. Are you still waiting on the block to shunt it or going to do it now?

Well, you also have to think of the vast majority, especially over on OC that flat out do not want an FE regardless of the cost. For every @tps3443 you have 10 @Mr. Fox 🤣 Personally, after the 5080 FE vBIOS disappointment, I'm good on the 5090 FE even at $2k. That really chapped my hide and I can't really put exactly into words why and made it an easy sell off on the 5080 FE. I don't like to be contained or not have the options I want for no good reason except control issues. If we get an XOC vBIOS, you can't even flash that on it either. That just grinds my gears. Ok, now that's cool and awesome that is your first introduction to Doom. Funny you ripped off the cool heatsink and slapped on an aftermarket one for better performance though. Setting the seeds for you now. 🙂 Tearing down a ~$200 dollar (~$275 in today dollars) to replace the heatsink vs getting ready to shunt and block a $2k 5090FE hits different though but speaks volumes bro. 🙂 Killer price, but 2x PCIE and rear placed power placement might be a problem. Looking forward to you hooking it up.

SFF build with the 6000....so nice.... Benchmarks w/ and w/o OC......

I couldn't bear to part with my SP109 14900KS, so that's why I gave it to my wife to use in her rig at 59/45/45 on a 280mm no less and it is running like a champ dialed in. I was hoping Intel dropped that rumored 10 or 12 P core only monster but alas..... And yeah, Doom looks amazing and I have loved the franchise since inception playing it on my 486DX266 WAY back in the day. I was in college and a buddy copied his disks for me and just said, "try this...." I was blown away. It was my gateway into playing competitive Quake for years. I'll wait till it is on discount and pick it up. $70 is steep and $100 for the ultimate edition is crazy.

Has anyone played Clair Obscur: Expedition 33? It seems to be getting a lot of attention and pretty good reviews. I'm taking a break from Fallout 76 for a bit so that opens up another slot for game play to go along with WoW.

Yep, on this second card, hot spot and memory temps are still high. I reran Deus Ex Mankind Divided benchmark on this other Gigabyte 9070xt OC Gaming edition, and even with a 12700kf + DDR5 6400, it is capped out to 99% and scoring in the same neighborhood as my 9800X3D run with my original. I thought it might be the 9800X3D giving it a boost over your score, but the lower score must be another reason. 9800X3D + 1st 9070xt: 12700kf + 2nd 9070xt: I'll have to give these a whirl on my TG 8200 2x24GB sticks and see what works, nice! What socket 1700 chips are you testing? I might be interested in a few. As @tps3443 said below, you will need better cooling and XOC/Shunt to hold higher clocks depending on load as it is variable in game. There is one guy over on the forums with a few Gigabytes he is saying are golden and can game at 3300+ but we will see and what the game load is. I'm sure a shunt and block would allow me to fully, um, "explore" my voltage range. 🤣 That's the thing with these cards (well any GPU) it comes down to your rig, your settings, your tweaks, your ambient temps, your cooling and your games/benches. So many variables in play and you are absolutely correct. It also comes down to stability tests and what you're willing to tolerate. My small computer office stays now at a constant 75f+ and usually is sitting around 80f+ all day. When I game it heats up to 82-88f in here. You also have Nvidia and their drivers changing offsets and ranges it seems with each release atm. Sometimes for the good and sometimes for the bad. I've noticed this ever since the 5080 FE even. Many driver releases has resulted in different boosting/offsets/clocks. We're, what? 3.5 months into the launch and so many issues still being worked out with Nvidia. This might be their worst launch yet. But there's no doubting the 5090 is a beast! My criteria is zero voltage offsets, low noise and 3ghz+ clocks (and obviously low to no coil whine) and I am good to go. Anything else extra is gravy. 🙂 What is your max boost even unstable? Push to +400 up to +500 at +25 increments all sliders to max and see what you get. I said it before and I'll say it again. All roads lead to Rome when it comes to 5090 and what separates a "bad" sample from a "good" sample or "golden" sample when all are pressed under truly equal conditions is going to be a few hundred megahertz but watching the scramble is always fun to see. It will come down to all the criteria around the GPU itself outlined above. Definitely agree on shunting and blocking to fully realize a card's potential along with locking down better clocks for gaming. I definitely agree on the shunt and cooling. I absolutely expect your FE to shine when you shunt and block it. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing it on the chiller. I've never attempted to adjust my voltage. What is an EV2?

I double checked it with PX1 and AB. 🙂 I actually just used PX1 to boost it while having them running simultaneously. That is also when I found out PX1 was somehow tripping the power sensors detector on GT3. 🤨 But all three read the same. Also one reason why I decided on GT3 since it does everything I need and the others are kind of redundant but GT3 will freeze/lock up/crash randomly when setting it to launch with Windows so I manually start it. I did snag a shot of PX1 running too with GT3 when I was cross referencing earlier:

Depends on how you spend the day. There was three of us down in florida (myself, my lady and my daughter), and just to get into DisneyWorld was ~$600. $30 to park. There's 5 of them, so you're looking at ~$1k for tickets before you even step inside so $1400 is not unrealistic. We were down there for my niece/god daughter's birthday so I treated everyone to dinner for the character theme buffet and for the 6 of us it was ~$420 dollars. We each had an adult drink along with the buffet. When the day was done, the entire thing was about $1200. It was worth every cent to see my 7 year old niece experience that Disney magic for the first time with my brother and sister in law. Memories are priceless. Theme parks are definitely for those who aren't living pay check to pay check.

Yeah, I'm on 576.28 too. I did find 572.83 was better overall for clocks. The wife and I finished up some serious WoW'ing and off to bed she went room is toasty. I rediscovered my love of my ceiling fan since the 5090 install and warmer days. Seriously, when all is said and done, all roads lead to the same ballpark. Just slightly different seating. Only thing that will get you where you want to go on top of silicon is cooling and shunting along with all the tweaks the dedicated do to their environment/OS to extract every bit out of their cards. Me? Anything and everything I do is on top of my D2D bloaty OS. ------ +3000 / +496 maxed nets me ~3465 at ~1065-1070 on 576.28. I have 576.40 drivers downloaded but still waiting a few days to see which direction they go. The higher I pushed the offset, the lower the voltage dropped with no change to the cap out at 3465. +465 / +3000 and +496 / +3000 = 3465. Try lowering your offset to ~+465 and see if you maintain 3412 (don't forget to OC your memory too to max) and if your voltage goes up a bit. +496 / +3000 +461 / +3000: ----------- 5090 mobile getting raked over the coals by Jarrod.....

Well there goes my vertical mount..... 🤣 Sad really, because the card is solidly built all around.... With everything maxed, fans 100% to bring down the temps to sub 30c, I'm hitting 3348+ at +327 / +3000 1.105 which is my D2D. How high can you push your boost clocks locked just for no load / idle shiggles? Does it allow you to push past 3300? 3400? I did discover that running PX1 and GT3 will trip the power monitoring doing absolutely nothing and light them all up red randomly. In the end my check list is: No coil whine 3ghz+ gaming D2D profile at all times fairly quiet under load Gamerz branded colorz and lightz! (JK) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- @tps3443 GT3 and PX1 are reporting a default PL of 107% not 104% so even a touch higher than you thought. 🤣 Agreed 100%. The pricing is just sick and gluttonous at this point but compared to other leisurely time pursuits, it is on the low end actually with an actual ability to recoup your investment and sometimes more. Can't say the same for many other pursuits but it still doesn't excuse the pricing.

No, I get the methodology. I also get why this approach is flawed and invalid. Do you?

True story, from the jump, I never, ever used the above approach (or facsimiles thereof from before) to calculate scores or ranking for 5090's before I even had a 5090. I want you to figure out why that is and why the above approach generalized is invalid. -------------- I am noticing this new 1401 BIOS, my system temps and especially idling temps are much lower. I'm used to seeing the nifty diagnostic LED showing temps in the mid 40s during desktop/light work, but it is sitting solidly in the low to mid 30s now doing the same stuff. This is with my exact same settings from before re-dialed in.

No, mine is 2977 @ 1.085. 🙂

Linus building out the fastest PC on the planet 9800X3D + Astral 5090 with Splave. Splave opted to go with the Taichi over the Asus.... Timestamped at the point they are "flashing a top secret unlocked BIOS" to the 5090: Note the (sorry you can't do this part at home).... Slider now goes to 120% Pulling 890w during the last run.... Watching all the pins trip red.... 🙂 Crashing and after a few more crashes Splave to Linus "Is your card worse than mine?" and a subsequent bit on Silicon Lottery. Kind of like a draw unfortunately. 😞 Was the Gene able to do 8400 too? And yeah, the Dashboard and higher resolution BIOS is always nice. 🙂 Yeah, I thought they were ok with it till it went off the rails at the end. I just kind of went, "whoa, whoa, I thought you liked it?" 😕 4k non G-sync was an issue. I don't like 4k panels on laptops. QHD for 17.3" or greater or FHD for 16" or smaller is my preference. I never had a problem with the trackpad but I'm a lefty. I don't know if that makes a difference. There is a new BIOS out for my unit I plan on trying along with tearing it down for a repaste and eval on extra copper under the hood soon as I get some time to start truly tinkering. As for pricing, yeah they've come down a bit. On launch, they had a "special" price of $3999.99 for the Raider 285/5090 then it went back up to its "regular" price of $4899 but was then almost immediately discounted to $4499 and now it's at a regular price of $4099. 6400 speed ram and 2tb SSD isn't terrible but still.... Even the normal Titan dropped below $5k almost at launch. 9950HX3D models are all I would be interested in on the top end atm for gaming for 5090s though as the overall uplift versus the previous generation is mediocre. I'm still waiting for Acer to send out their unit to me with a 275hx/5070ti OLED but they are currently switching distribution lines because of China tariffs for eval units because they will be hit regardless of import status. They had to push everything back to June according to their rep while they realign their supply lines. Here's the cure to all your ills Brother.... 🤣 Or step into the 2 dimm land of the Apex Yeah, this has rolled around in my mind for quite some time every since the launch of the 5090 series. The market continues to show Nvidia it can charge more and more for their halo products but I am a firm believer a product is only worth as much as consumers will pay. For the lower tiers, Nvidia has routinely hit walls or competition and has had to price down accordingly, but the top end? Sky's the limit and even 5080 AIB models have skyrocketed into formerly 4090 land and brimming on 5090FE/PNY/Gigabyte launch pricing. It really doesn't matter who won't pay but moreso who WILL pay. Supply and Demand baby......supply and demand..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On another note, my friend finally wised up and I snagged an Astral for him from Best Buy and he sold off his FE for $3500 locally cash. I just had a chance to test it earlier today. It hit +3000 no problem on memory but it's boost lock is only 2919 and 2970 vs 2977 and 3060 on mine. Voltage is 1.065 and 1.085 max vs 1.085 and 1.1105 on mine. It also as quite audible coil whine but nothing compared to his FE which sounded like R2D2 taking a shot while navigating. We just finished up with a two hour FT jam session and I told him I could return it and wait for another unit if he wants but he still wants it and plans on blocking it (well, having his son block it for him) so off it goes tomorrow to its new home.

Once you block it and give it a little chiller love it will perk right up! That's what I'm waiting for. 🙂 -------------------- MSI 18 9950X3D/5090 Raider getting trashed for several reasons (display, price, trackpad, other) but remember, this is LTT: