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See if you can reproduce those results or what is the hardwall of your CPU?

Sheesh @tps3443 look at this monster IMC! 14900KS 8800/9200 on air.... https://www.overclock.net/posts/29367089/

I mean if I was in your shoes (that would be odd though :)), I would ABSOLUTELY take a shot in the dark for a replacement with the better coating job and 5c reduction, but I would do it knowing I'm throwing a hail mary. It's not like it hasn't been functioning these last 10 months..... It says the process was "updated" not "a defect was corrected" You say "defective" I say "improved" 🤣 But either way, here's hoping they send you the newer model at no cost bro! 🙂 --- Reminds me when EVGA suddenly discounted the KPE 3090ti by $500 and it had been over a month since I bought it and I reached out to them and let them know such a drastic price cut didn't sit well with me so soon and they credited me back the difference. Was I entitled to it? No, but I was very happy they saw it my way, acknowledged my very polite BF and credited me back for $500 smackers. I remember my last email to CS being, "Thank you so much and I look forward to buying your 4090 KPE on release!" (AWKWARD! 😂)

How long have you had this one? I mean, if it has been months or even a year+, I don't know if I would feel comfortable asking for a replacement skew over a 5c delta. Improvements and refinements in products is part of the process and you tend to pay for them. On the other hand, if you just purchased your block recently, I can see reaching out for a replacement block. Whether they'll replace it not, we'll see. 🙂

For the average consumer, these chips offer nothing over the 7000 series and new motherboard pricing is even higher. All of us (or close to it) 7000 owners on these forums skipped them. That wasn't an anomaly. The only bright spot is over the last few years, DDR5 prices have come down and 6000 sticks can be had for crazy cheap.

I do think the whole GN fiasco has put them on guard and a lot of cases they were previously instructed to reject and/or attach user responsible costs are now being resolved properly. Same with GN and Newegg. Shady, shady practices to heighten profits versus taking care of the customer.

No regrets and better memory overclocking but like all ITX boards, even the Lightning, it will hit a power wall due to the single connector and lesser stages depending on how hard you push your CPU. Initial testing (I don't recommend this) with a dunked/chilled ID Cooling 280mm I saw it up around 400w so it can handle some juice but I'm sure those VRMs will give up the ghost sooner than later if not the power delivery but it has thee best power delivery of all Z790/Z690 ITX boards on the market (14+1) vs the others (10+1). Tachyon looks to be a really good board. If I wasn't going ITX, it was on my consideration list. The fine gent I purchased my SP109 had a tachyon for sale on ebay for cheap because it is missing some covers here but it looks like it finally sold today at 7:49pm.

Xpac starts at level 68 (max cap 80). Since it is new, that would be my end goal at this point. To have fun casually leveling, they let you pick most of the previous Xpac's to level up through to at least level 50. My favorite Xpac to select from their list via Chromie is still Legion or you can't go wrong with Wrath of the Lich King which is probably the most popular Xpac of them all. And yeah, you can definitely chat with everybody but it's a blessing and a curse. Chats can get spicy and some think WoW's user base is one of the most toxic. I can't exactly disagree. Get ready for sudden outbusts about politics and religion..... (As I do everywhere, I just ignore this).

I didn't even acknowledge the memory in this testing since you're using CB23 which really doesn't move at all with memory settings. 🙂 Did you create tuned 8200 and 8400 profiles too? If so, let me take a looksy and see if I can get them to run on my system now that SA is not an issue.

Ouch, sorry to hear. Nothing worse than when a MB starts to act flaky then eventually goes down but better it than a good CPU. Hopefully the replacement has equal or even better traces for memory OC. I still remember my Taichi Z390 replacement and the dud memory OC it had compared to the original.....I also remember my replacement EVGA FTW Z390 that went from a good board to a monster board. Sheesh, $60. Hopefully like you say no shenanigans. Maybe let them know you have Steve from GN on speed dial?I liked EVGA's RMA process where they would request pictures of the socket before authorizing. 🙂

Yeah, de8auer has been pretty active lately when the temps were coming back on one of his blocks. I wasn't sure if it was the one you re-tested or another. 🙂 Your ring bus is a lot higher too (4.5 vs 5.2) @Mr. Fox I think @tps3443 was doing a pure "5.9 stock" run (5.9/4.5/auto (4.5) run and absolutely pure auto run w/ 6.2 boost.

Good news, last small update for WoW seems to have fixed the issues pretty quick with the 7900xtx. I've been running some tests comparing my 14900KS 5.6 fixed profile vs 5.9 auto profile. I took my foot off the brake (undervolting) a touch and now even Wukong runs fine on the 5.9 auto profile so all is well. --- I did some more testing in WoW with the 7900xtx and the 14900KS thinking 5.6 and 5.9 will basically be the same but I'm seeing ~183fps with 5.6 and 202fps with 5.9 everything else the same for some fixed vantage testing (Ultra 10, 4k RT OFF). I know WoW is one of the most CPU dependent/responsive games out there, but I wasn't expecting this big of a gap so I'll need to figure and lock down a good flight run to really collect some more data. I can swap CPU bios profiles back and forth and repeat this consistently. I even took my 5.9 profile and just adjust the multipliers back only to 5.6 auto only keeping everything else the same and still saw that drop in fps. This fixed vantage spot in Hallowfall (one of the new zones) is at 8200 CL34 tightened up and the profiles are the same except for 5.6 fixed all core and 5.9 auto. 5.9 does draw about ~30w more than 5.6 but that's to be expected. I haven't even tested with APO yet which supports WoW. Whoa, that is very good on TG's part! Is this the same block De8auer has been posting about on the OCN forums and getting it updated and working properly and basically laying the groundwork for Socket 1851 ?

Which one?

Game changer. This 32" Alienware OLED 4k display is just so beautiful especially with HDR enabled. I couldn't go back if I wanted at this point. My wife's Samsung 1440p IPS display looks so dull now. I asked her if she wanted an OLED... "I'm fine. I don't care about that stuff." 🤣 I have a ~5yr old 65" Sony FALD ZF9 and I do love it, but my next display might have to be a 70" OLED.

Looks good! 🙂 For core boosting on my pure auto profile, that looks just about right. My 6.2 boost in CB23 is ~1.392 max load so 1.405 and 1.387-1.396v range is spot on. Temps aren't the problem here. Scores are 2377-2392 so right in line. Asrock reports 6.2 V/F at 1.484 for my SP109. I keep it at 253w/400a limits so it power throttles and scores about 39k-40k multi but your setup will probably do much better since I think our 5.9 V/Fs are the same (1.378v). If I let it fly unhindered power wise in CB23, my AIO gives up the ghost. 🙂 This 5.9 all core auto profile pretty much covers every game including all UE5 shader games except Wukong. That thing is a monster for my setup.

Bragging rights aka a race to the bottom for single core. I can't remember the last time I ran any Intel chip at stock/auto defaults D2D. We're talking all the way back to the Celeron 300a I OC'd to 450mhz+ in the late 90s. The problem was really two fold though. Aggressive/errant MC that allowed core requests of >1.55v and pushing the chips to the ultimate edge. First "fix" was enforcing Intel limits but that did jack squat for single core VID requests because they were always under 253w/207a but were found sometimes requesting 1.7v+ (!). That's a one way ticket to preferred core degradation. Current "fix" is to enforce a soft cap of 1..55v. I say soft because motherboards can override it purposely or as we've seen accidentally. Best fix is as used by many of us before all this is to set a sane all core w/ fixed vcore that is in line with your cooling and power draw expectations and dial in your LLC/AC_LL/DC_LL and might as well tune up your VDD/SA's while you're in there for good measure. No need to use more than you need unless you also run a dialed in auto setting too (I run both). 10th gen can be configured for per core if you want on many boards. I tuned up a few 10900k's to do per core for benching but for D2D it was always all core for simplicity and to stop odd transients on oddly offset core frequency settings and crashes. Some hardcore users want optimal, tuned, stable settings at all steppings and will take the time to validate each and every core's capability and then adjust per core as tight as possible. That's not fun for me. 🙂 And yeah, that's exactly why to boost performance on single/lightly threaded programs and it does show you what it can do potentially on better cooling. Decent silicon, DD/CL and toss in a chiller? Some of these chips are daily'd at 6ghz+ all core.

Intel has been trying to innovate their way out of the x86 CISC albatross for years and branch into different RISC CPU architectures, but the blessing and the curse of x86 has been its longevity and legacy. While Intel has tried (and failed) to break free into more modern architectures for decades, other companies have taken ARM to the next level and have now caught (and in some cases surpassed) Intel while consuming a fraction of the power. AMD is somewhere in the middle. Still using x86 but having long abandoned their fabs and going with TSMC, they get a bit of their cake and can eat it too but I agree they are not safe either. Apple is brimming on a perfect 3 for 3 now abandoning a stagnant architecture (x68, PPC, Intel) to keep innovating and pressing forward. I've lived through all three transitions with Mac hardware. I still never thought I'd see the day Apple had their own, in house processors yet here we are..... I agree Intel is going to have to change to survive. This. Intel can still innovate and we've seen what they can do but their fabs are now a burden and holding them back. Either they figure out a way to get on TSMC's level sooner or later, or they just sell off their fabs and get in line with just about everybody else. I'm not adverse to the government subsidizing Intel on the same level to keep us competitive and not be so beholden to another country. It also keeps another player on the field to keep pricing honest. The spectre of China also continues to loom large over Taiwan and TSMC too hence trying to set up fabs here and potentially elsewhere.

Ugh, I'm not a huge fan of Gigabyte lol. The coil whine on their models is well known. It would have to be a major chunk of cash. You would probably be better served selling yours and buying mine for retail pricing and guaranteeing a monster bin bro. 🤣 I must admit, I've never run W10 on my 7000 series AMD platforms. I might have to give it a clean install or dual boot just to see. -------------------------------- Last, but not least, WoW and the new Xpac are crashing again like crazy on AMD GPUs..... I went back to my other system to collect some data and run some new tests on the Xpac and it was crashing and locking up like it was 3 months ago with the 7900XTX. New Xpac? No problem, update drivers. Nope, all those nifty crashing issues are back with a vengeance. I was so busy playing on my main rig that just works that I hadn't used my other rig since Xpac launch.....ugh.

You might be right @tps3443! I normally don't run OC'd, but I wanted to collect some data for my ongoing comparisons between the 7950X3D/14900KS/7900XTX (ugh long story)/4090. This was me out in Hallowfall today on a stock OC, stock vBIOS , stock cooling ..... 🤣 Looked up and noticed it was hitting 3135mhz! Still stock thermal paste from purchase too back in Jan 2023 no less!

Maybe EU trends? In the US, models are still selling new and used prices are still good. So many scammers out there it is hard to tell these days since 4090s still retail for a crapton relatively speaking especially better 3rd party models. Missing cores and memory or sometimes flat out fake PCBs, scary. Looking at eBay for my model, they still sell relatively high. There is one person on there with low feedback who has sold two and has a third up that is screaming scam as they have no other sales in the last 6 months. eBay protection will help out the buyers if it is, but listings like that tend to go for lower than normal because buyers do not want the hassle. Probably if you check back in a month or two they will have been removed. The Suprim X 4090 has the best PCB right under the HOF and even then silicon lottery comes into play as I've seen plenty pick up HOF and Suprim X and get absolute trash silicon and/or memory. I mentioned it before, but one of the two Suprim X's I had was terrible and I returned it. (~2900 max OC, +700 memory) vs my current one (+3120 OC, +1600 memory) both on stock vBIOS. But I also think even *bad* silicon is still a killer card at stock. I just happened to have bought my current one from Newegg and then Best Buy had them in stock so I picked one up to see if I could potentially get a better bin and it was total trash from that perspective and monster coil whine. I couldn't wait to hop in my car and return that thing. If EU pricing is truly that bad (make sure to check local used markets and other used selling sites to get an idea), I could see holding onto it till the 6090. It is a monster of a card. I'm still on the fence about selling now or just waiting till the 5090 and selling then. I don't like to be without a good GPU especially with WoW Xpac here and it just flat out plays better on Nvidia. I mean, if someone comes along and slaps down $1900 for it, I'd have to consider it but it is not only a fantastic specimen it has low to no coil whine to the point I run my case fully open now and use speakers instead of headphones. You could always list it for what you want for it and see if it moves. If it doesn't, no harm; no foul. Oh absolutely. I didn't mean to imply this is a win for Intel, but sometimes fighting an uphill battle on ice is a futile endeavor. Instead of forcing a subpar node down our throats, they just contract out to TSMC for a better process. If everything goes well, I wouldn't be surprised if they continue to use TSMC more and more in the future while they continue to get their act together. Everyone else is using TSMC and it shows in their advancements. Nvidia did Samsung with Ampere and came scurrying back rather quickly to TSMC.

Best Buy open box Gigabyte 4090 w/ GPU factory seal intact on card missing GPU core.... Same best buy who sold me a Nikon digital camera years ago with no camera in the box Sold me a brand new factory sealed 7950X3D which just had a 7950X in the box At this point, outside of factory sealed / new (and even then....), I would only buy from someone I know and trust or have all protection mechanisms in place, sheesh.

I don't blame ya, but it looks like the 5090 might not hit till early next year. I know I have two people who saw some of my screen shots gaming on stock vBIOS hitting 3120 on stock cooling reach out and ask to let them know when I sell mine to keep them in mind as they would like to buy it so OC's do count for many. I did contemplate selling mine for how much I paid for it and riding my 7900xtx to the 5090. I'd have to turn off RT in WoW though. 😞 *Shrug* As long as memory hit +1000 and clocks were 2900, I'd be ok with it but the extra goodness never hurts.

Good! TSMC is the market leader in node fabs. Let Intel continue to progress and refine their 18A and use TSMC in the here and now over their own, internal 20A. --- As for Jufes, his quote, "When the 9800X3D comes out, I'm pretty sure it's going to destroy everything" Now imagine the 9950X3D with that sweet, sweet binned X3D CCD..... Yeah.....

Yep, he's really impressed with the 9000 architecture. 9950x is really holding its own against both a 7800X3D and 6ghz all core 14900KS. Max OC shootout.... Really looking forward to 9950X3D vs 15th gen....

History with Nvidia repeating itself.... 5080 will be on par or marginally faster than the 4090 (reports show ~10% atm) 5090 will be substantially faster than the 4090 and be a halo product (Same as 4090 vs 3090ti, but potentially even larger). Expect $1799 if not more at launch base price *If* we get a Titan class card, it will be a full fat die 5090 (Has happened before with Nvidia) Don't be surprised depending on market conditions if 12-18 months later we get a 5090ti which will be the full fat die. I wouldn't bank on it with the AI craze and AMD bringing absolutely nothing to market that can even touch the 5080 let alone the 5090. Seeing what they are offering, it might not even touch the 5070ti.