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Welcome to the big screen brigade! I'm telling ya it is painful traveling and working on a smaller screen. I did lug an 18" external USB-C powered panel with me before with the NH55 which worked great! The panel quality was sus but 18" 1080p was very nice to have vs 15.6" 1080p. I come from the generation of carrying around Compaq luggables that weighed 18-20lbs easily and I loved 'em! Like I said before, my favorite second laptop of all time (ironically AMD CPU powered again) was the M-ALX from Alienware pre Dell. Loved that 19" behemoth. 🙂 First will always be the P870 series. That was magic times from my first P870DM to my last P870TM from HID. Thanks brother! I was running that version. Before, I actually installed Rivatuner externally because the newest beta was newer than the included version, but with the newest beta AB, the rivatuner included was actually newer and still no luck. Absolutely get the extended warranty. The 3-yr extended warranty was actually the final selling point that pushed me to pick up @win32asmguy MSI Raider 18 as it will be my daily driver for next few years and a good warranty is a must. Remember back in the day with Alienware laptops? The Dellcare warranties paid for themselves over and over especially the 5yr warranties. Or just ride your 4090 till a xx80 class beats it and then settle into that class. Alternatively, you can try to find the sweet spot for used but the prices are just insane until it implodes. I think once (hopefully) AI hits a wall and/or AMD makes a meaningful attack, the future will be a smidge brighter. The fact we're waiting and lamenting for 5090's to be available for "MSRP" which already is insanely high is telling.

Thanks brother! I'm hit pretty hard, but nowhere near like in 2020 where I was out of commission for 6 weeks. Interestingly, I've been rocking this Oura smart ring for over 6 months now and I've had a head cold here, ear infection there, sinus infection, etc... and it hasn't even budged, but this? First time it tripped a biometric alarm/alert letting me know my body is encountering something straining my body majorly and to shut it down. It has tripped 5 days in a row now except finally today it tripped but said the stressors are now minor but still present. This is the sickest I've seen my wife ever in our 28yrs together. She's been to urgent care twice already, loaded to the gills with inhalers, steroids, antibiotic (secondary infection protection), mucinex, coughing liquid AND pill and we're just watching her pulse ox now. If it dips to ~92 or below (currently 95), off to the ER she goes. ------- The artifacting is so odd because it doesn't do it anywhere else. When I had those dying sticks of memory, artifacting and issues were everywhere and eventually I ended up RMA'ing those set of sticks for a new set and all those original problems went away with a replacement set of 2x32GB sticks except WoW which was suffering the dreaded, "The memory can not be read" error which means either the OC is failing or the memory is failing outright. But this issue is just odd as World of Warcraft just goes bonkers with the 5080 and the 5000 level drivers. It's not a deal breaker as I've just been using Nvidia's performance monitoring software as a stop gap, but it is reproducible consistently even after a clean install. Once I'm back to full(ish) strength, I want to get the 9800X3D set up and see what happens. -------- I think I can sum up the market right now to me and it is absolute apathy atm. I think I would be a bit more excited if the 5090 was cheaper (better bang:buck) that makes the 4090 and 5080 look like absolutely smokin' values atm (assuming MSRP of course). For the price, I am very curious about the 9070xt and might pick one up if I can snag it for MSRP. I'm trying to figure out why this is happening only in WoW and only with AB running. Fallout, Wukong, FF, Deus Ex, 3Dmark, etc... all work fine. I definitely had a bad/failing set of sticks that was causing crashing/artifacting everywhere and those were RMA'd but this was a timing issue that this is happening now too isolated to WoW (or at least WoW only in regards to my limited test bed of games/benches). Not a deal breaker, as I just use Nvidia's built in tools that work well enough but still annoying. I did notice (after @Mr. Fox noted maybe a clocking issue) that when I run AB, it is locking my clocks to ~2595 when it will normally run 2750-2805 normally for boosting no matter what even after all the updates even running AB stock with just monitoring enabled (except power). I just need to suck it up and platform swap and get it out the way for other testing. I think I'm well enough today to get it started..... 🙂

All of thee above. I just don't have the same zip, zest or pop this generation like before. False scarcity, bad product launches, outlandish pricing (even this generation of laptops are insanely priced) and more. Mediocre gains really and regression in some areas. Meh... I was pleasantly surprised to see AMD returned to a monolithic design with the 9000 series GPUs though.... Total skip on the Ultra 9 285 but I could see it being something fun to play around with. Hero w/ 9800X3D is sitting on the table fully setup and tuned ready for the swap, but i'm still rocking the 14900KS rig atm but that will be changing once I kick this covid I brought back with me from our two weeks on the road that has me and the wife laid up atm. I haven't actively looked for a 5090 in weeks but @Talon the whole camping out vibe is so cool. Reminds me of lining up waiting for the first few WoW xpacs when they dropped, speaking of which: Here's WoW still having problems with Afterburner and artifacting/glitching with the newest drivers and newest patch on my system and the 5080 in Dorngal even after a clean install. I'll be curious to see if this goes away or something changes when I swap to the 9800X3D. With the previous 4070 Super installed no problems. Zero issues on the MSI Raider 7950HX3D/4090, Asus Vivobook w/ 3050 and Ultra 9 185, or wife's 12900k+3080 when running Afterburner/Riva.

I don't mind him using reference clocks on the 5070ti as long as he uses reference clocks on the 4070ti for comparison. He does note in his benchmark footage they are reference clocks but overall it makes no sense to be locking the clocks at all. Just let the card run as intended. He does let the 5070ti flex its clocks later with it hitting 2800mhz+ on versus the 4070 ti Super in Monster Hunter Wilds at 4k Native High showing a boost of ~10% (!): (Timestamped) Which model 5090 did you end up with and picked up from where? Congrats! Here's hoping Nvidia didn't learn from the 4090 BIOS freedom and lock down the 5090 down to the ground.

"The market dictates how much a product is worth. It isn't good or bad." He's not wrong. In a free market, supply and demand will quickly determine a products value. With supply so constrained and demand high, pricing is what it is. But we've already seen prices coming down as the "price is no object" crowd as been satisfied and while the prices are still crazy high, at least it is officially under $4k for FE 5090 and under $5k for Astrals for many listings.

Tossing the "5080 is a 5070ti in disguise" argument out the window by comparing previous generations performance wise and plotting their performance data points. I said this before in this thread. Somewhere people arbitrarily started to associate cuda cores with class of cards and nowhere did Nvidia ever present or imply that. Basically, YT and some users set up their own strawman to knock down.... (Timestamped)

I was wondering the same too but we now know the Titan is going to be $6k+tax yikes.

Unfortunately they do not offer an 18" version. 😞 I've always been a 17.3" or greater type of laptop owner since the Alienware M-ALX 19" was introduced. Only twice did I use a 15.6" model in all those years as my daily driver. Alienware 15 (920mx + 260m on launch) and the NH55 (last gasp DTR'esque laptop).

Titan is $1.1k more = $5999.99 + tax Raider is offered with Intel or AMD for the exact same price for the 5090 variants at $4899.99 We are officially in insanity land.....

"It seems like RTX Blackwell is experiencing silicon degradation, which means that over a period of time, we might see several SKUs pop up with missing ROPs or something even more significant, depending upon the actual issue with NVIDIA's silicon. An important point to note here is that NVIDIA says that their upcoming "mid-range" GeForce RTX 5070 GPU won't be affected by the issue, indicating that Team Green might have resolved the silicon defect, or at least found a workaround." "seems" "might" "depending" That is outlandish postulating of the grandest scale. How did wccftech even make that (il)logical leap based on what?? And the fact they claim the 5070 won't be affected implies they found the defect on some units. Have there been reports of some units reporting full ROPs then after X amount of usage the amount drops? "It seems like gremlins are afoot and might entering locations with known RTX 5000 units and fusing off some of the ROPs at night depending on whether they've been fed after midnight...." Never fall down the negative FUD trail....know when to pull up @Papusan 🤣

I don't know if I'll ever buy new again for laptops.....the pricing is truly insane for 18" models. I have no problems shifting permanently into perpetual used mode.... Full ROPS, no coil whine on my 5080 FE, purchased for proper $999 retail from BB standing by... 🤣

MSI Raider 9955HX3D w/ 5090 = $4900+tax? Wha...... https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100157995 601470204 601411480 600553911&Order=1 Asus Scar 18 275h + 5090 has priced up since "tariffs" to $4499 + tax.... https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16834236578

No matter how you look at it, continuing to try and implement systems that prevent scalpers from snatching up all the product for true users is a positive. Asus is going to charge these prices regardless of whether scalpers snatch up the products or not. The prices are here to stay and hopefully do not go higher in the short run to then set a buffer to "discount" them in the future when the market normalizes (which is already is slowly). Of course selling directly cuts out reseller pricing and allows Asus to keep that extra bit of profit too so it is definitely not a 100% altruistic act on their part. But still a right move for those who truly want a card to use.

The uplift in overall performance and especially in 1% on some games is absolutely banger with the 5090 vs 4090 approaching 50%+ 5090 is definitely a beastly upgrade across the board vs the 4090 but again pricing and availability at launch are horrific. It pushes the 4090 definitely much closer to the 5080 than the 5090 in performance. It will. The lack of new cards, EOL of older cards and market conditions are at their worst atm. 9070xt launching soon (I will assume AMD has been bolstering stock on top of initial stock) and Nvidia ramping up production will ease demand accordingly. A year from now we will revisit this..... Tariffs are a factor of course but they don't really factor in atm because of insane demand for, well,everything atm. What is consistent is the constant outlandish MSRP increases from Nvidia which serves as the anchor pricing upon which all the other factors come into play producing absolutely outlandish costs and availability at launch. Looking at ebay and StockX, prices are starting to come down already. Here is an example of a garbage tactic from an ebayer trying to imply he sold 24 5090 FEs at anywhere near this pricing. Newsflash, he did not. The trick is to set an initial quantity sale to 25 then reduce stock to 1. For some reason, eBay will show the others as sold so you get the impression the seller only has one left in stock. I've been following a few 5090 FEs and watched them start at 6k+, then in the 5k+ range and now in the 4k+ range from established sellers clearly with product in hand. Everything is moving as expected. Could it suddenly go against past trends? Absolutely, but we will see.

Some of the models were priced not as bad, but the other ones are ridiculous. The Astral for $1600+? No.... If you're into DLSS and FG for your games and fps rule the roost, the 5080 is the superior card. If you're into content creation and rely on the updated encoders/decoders for the 5000 series, you're caught in a weird spot. Superior encoders/decoders vs 50% more memory (of course the 5090 satisfies both with aplomb) Sad but true even with 16GB of memory. I'm not into either as a defining factor, so anything >$1000 for a 5080 is simply unacceptable because of the 4090. If I'm going to spend ~$1500 on a 5080, I'm going to wait and snag a used 4090, period. Assuming you snag a 5080 at $999.99, 8GB of memory and slightly faster (or more depending on game) does not justify 50% or higher price especially as of now it is no longer the top dog out there. 4090 is now officially a 5080ti with none of the new blackwell tech. The uplift isn't "bad" but the price is just insanely high over an already insanely high priced 4090 and is now closer to $5k than zero. As for gamers, hopefully a wall is hit and after the initial rush of those where price is no object, the market corrects again like it did with the 4080. The 4080->4080 Super shows it can be done plus you have AMD yet again with a 9070xt which may force Nvidia to price correct down with the 5070ti and lower and maybe even the 5080 sooner than later. Unfortunately, there is no answer for the 5090 superiority. This has been the reality the last three cycles but especially bad this cycle. Demand will always exist at all times at various levels and when supply suddenly evaporates, prices skyrocket even for older models. Watching 7900xtx cards go from being priced at close to $900 even upper end models like the Nitro+ and Taichi suddenly skyrocket in price to $1300-1400+ was crazy along with 4000 series cards but it will normalize. The one thing to take from this is there is a 2-5 month window on average where if you're going to sell then sell and limp by on a filler card while you wait and reap the financial awards. OR choose to keep your card till you can replace it with a better card and suffer the financial loss as a result if valid.

@tps3443 : "Man, I’ve lost interest in the 5090 unfortunately. Especially one for $3,026 dollars after taxes. I think I burned my self out on it. It just doesn’t excite me anymore. " also @tps3443: *** Quietly enters Shuffle *** 🤣 But yeah, I get it.

Newegg Shuffle for 5090s is up. Gigabyte and Asus models are in play including the water blocked Gigabyte @tps3443! You definitely have a higher than average chance of winning considering much less buyers will be targeting it vs other models. I selected them all because why not? Odds are low, but fun to see what model I might win lol. My luck it will be the overpriced TUF OC or Aorus AIO.

Yeah that's the perfect resolution for that panel. I remember when I had the 4k option for a P870DM laptop with the desktop 980 and it was huffin and puffin to render games properly. That was my first and last 4k laptop panel. Now it is always 1080p or 1600p. I''ve tested numerous Acer laptops. Outside of their thin and light models, they are built like a tank and usually have good cooling and loud af fans. ---- Watching Best Buy this morning and 5070ti's sold out (all 4 of them they offered), but it wasn't immediate and the last model, the $970 Gigabyte OverPriced Edition, took almost 40 minutes to sell out. Lack of common sense kicking in again..... NE has the 5070ti MSRP models ($749.99) on the Shuffle today.

Right now is that cross over time we always encounter when old models are EOL'd and new models are scarce. As a result, even older models momentarily rise in price before falling back down. For example, a month ago, the 7900xtx could be found for $929 and lower. Now? $1300+ everywhere. Same with Nvidia. Three months ago, 4070 Supers, TIs and more all available at MSRP and sometimes on sale. Same with 4080 Supers 4 months ago. 4090's for $1500 or less easily 4+ months ago. 6 months from now, prices will plummet because the 5000 series (and 9000 series from AMD to a degree) will begin to saturate the market and older models will drop down to their proper place. Patience is the key. This is literally the third cycle in a row now I've watched this happen exactly as predicted. If you have a spare 4090, sell it now if you want maximum return on your card and then some. If you're scalping or selling your 5080/5090, now is the time to do it as all they're going to do is continue to lose value. I'm watching 5090's (especially FEs) start to languish a bit on eBay when priced closer to 6k when they were flying out the door at launch for 6k+ and more. I now see some hanging around at right around $5k and several "on sale" from their 6k range down into the upper 4k range. Or if you're happy with your Ampere and Ada cards hold onto them and just continue to enjoy them. Welcome back bro! Don't let the grumpy old men on the porch get you down. Enjoy your new portable power. What's the resolution for the mLED display? This extended road trip I'm on atm is just the beginning of a lot of travel I have this year for work and pleasure so I wanted a big screen laptop with decent power to game, work and stay connected. Since when I get back I'm breaking down my main desktop rig to rebuild with the x870e Hero with the 5080 FE, my laptop is modeled after my desktop atm and my current desktop install is officially EOL'd so when I get back I'll be living off my laptop for a few days while I make the transition before heading out again later next month.

Given time, prices will normalize back to MSRP across all the cards. It always does. Same with CPUs. Patience = save $$$

Outside of outlandish MSRPs now even if you can find them atm, I expect prices to normalize for xx80 cards by summer if not even sooner. xx90 cards I expect to slowly tamp down in price but it will be a slower process. I'm noticing 5090 cards are slowly dropping on eBay and some are languishing now at the 5k+ price point or taking longer to move. You always have to clear out that first wave of buyers who have more money than sense and will snap up those cards at almost any cost. Patience by GnR is in order right now.... Ditto. I just don't want it anymore..... Combination of traveling atm along with seeing the 5080 FE hit the same CPU bottlenecks as my 4090 with WoW and FO76 before leaving has me very meh atm to drop $2k+....

We all know with waiting we will get the tech we want at MSRP. It has always been this way and I will always wait for MSRP no matter how much I want something and when the market saturates on most products I routinely switch to picking up used versions of the same items as long as I can lock in their warranties as needed. This is usually on laptops and GPUs primarily followed by motherboards second. You did good Padawan..... .....you did good. 🤣

Looking mean and clean. The problem will always be the connectors look good till they don't but I also think the issue gets overblown and those who take good care of their cards will on average be ok.

We saw a tale of two cities with AMD. During Ampere/Crypto, we saw a card that had raster almost on the level of the 3090 AND demand that was so insane AMD couldn't keep them in stock either and their market share rose and shook Nvidia. Ada era they lost out on performance, RT and the market wasn't as hungry and when given a choice, buyers flocked to Nvidia and their marketshare dropped noticeably. Now? They are losing even more and potentially pricing even worse and they just don't have the mind space of gamers like Nvidia. They have had the opportunity twice now to really price their cards competitively to make in roads but it looks like they are again content to not really attack the low and mid like Intel is doing atm. I was hoping AMD focused on the mid market and really came out with a banger of a card priced insanely competitively. ----- Then of course we now have Nvidia ramping up production of the 5090 so hopefully scalpers get zinged and buyers can get cards but the initial MSRP pricing is gone now and I'm afraid cards will remain priced as they are even purchased at MSRP: https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-gb202-gpu-supply-for-rtx-5090-set-to-increase-retailer-has-147-rtx-5080-cards-but-not-selling-them-separately Anybody who paid the prices asked for 5080s and 5090s....whew.....that's gonna hurt just to be first.

If the newest pricing drops are true, then the 9070xt is coming in at $749.99 and matching the 5070ti. Now what remains to be seen is how it performs against it once we get some real reviews.