electrosoft

Asrock 8.02 Bios (January 2025) w/ Intel enforced "limits" still a flaming ball of sun fire to the face.... and this is on a good sample 14900KS:

Stock 8.02 w/ Intel limits (notice the 253w limits are in place):

After a little enforced tune up for gaming 5.9 all core:

41 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

be sure to subtract the respective tax (listed in the link) before converting to USD to get closer to what you could expect in the US.

 

but yeah, ill BARELY be able to do the list price with a small buffer on top, but not much more....ugh

21 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Hmmm. That will be the real price if the proposed tax takes takes effect for the US. But close to $800 USD extra for the Suprim over MSRP cards (FE) without tax is badly enough. Gone is the days you paid $100 extra for the better cards custom cards. I'm sure EVGA could do decent deals with Nvidia cards if they continued with their business as we see how the prices has becom for custom cards. Imagine +3000$ 5090 K|ngp|n cards. That would be an reality. And not forget the custom blocks from EVGA. Just aldd $500-750 on top

I'm seriously starting to think I can not accept a 15% markup (plus tax) on an already $2k card. I can't see paying $2300+tax= $2452 for a video card again. I say again, because I paid 2585 initially for a KPE 3090ti but it at least came with a 1600 Platinum PSU AND I was able to get them to knock it back down to $2k+ tax. I remember feeling near instant regret within a week or so of having bought that paying that much for a freakin' video card to bench and game on. I was very happy to sell it 3 months later and get back everything I put into it and I'm still using that PSU to this day in my main rig. 🙂

Even an FE is going to be $2132.50 out of my pocket after tax.

Ugh.

I'm going to have to mull this over seriously while I also see how the 5070 Super and 9070XT perform. I already know a 7900xtx w/o RT on is pretty righteous already in its own right at the right price. My biggest fear is WoW running into issues again like it did before and dragging on for over 10 months and basically being unplayable.

22 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

looks like i was right to be still worried, even with my considerable budget saved up:

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/custom-geforce-rtx-5080-and-rtx-5090-pricing-emerges-made-for-gamers-with-deep-pockets

 

@Papusan get both your kidneys ready bud:

 

 

as for us here in euro-land:

 

 

 

holy guacamole, the MSI Suprim will actually be MORE expensive than the Astral?! O.o

I'm starting to sour a bit on the 5090 if these prices translate to USD in any meaningful capacity.

19 hours ago, ssj92 said:

If anyone can get a extra 5090 FE or 5080 FE I'd love one LOL 😅

Would if I could, but BB limits you to one per customer. 😞 

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@Mr. Fox I've been seeing this more and more how on AMD, AM5 SP rating is dictated by cooling which would be a bummer. On X3D, I only really care about the IMC, but still want SP to be at least one valid metric:

https://www.overclock.net/posts/29416394/

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

I am definitely buying! I just hope I can snag one. I’d feel better sending you my money and letting you snag one for me. Then you just mail it to me. 😃 

 

Do you think I’ll have a real shot at buying  an FE on the Bestbuy website? Or should I focus on Newegg AIB models?

Have multiple windows open, no restrictions/policies in place helps, verify your accounts and everything are up to date. Right before the drops, log out and log back in so you won't need to re-verify.

Use the BB app. It works quicker and cleaner than the website I've found numerous times.

I plan on having BB on the phone going along with Newegg, Provantage and B&H open at the ready. I will toss any and all I can get into carts and the first one to check out and confirm (FE, Suprim, Astral) wins!

Part of me wants to go to MC along with having BB and a few windows open on my phone but I'm not THAT worried if I don't get one. I rarely, if ever, score one launch day and I'm ok with that.

It's only rumors so far, but the 9070XT might drop before the 5090 and that would be fantastic to snag one of those and get it in for some quick testing, but either way you look at it, reviews are going to tell us everything we need.

Pros of the FE are the segmented daughter board approach and size. less chance of a PCB crack and if there is, only need to replace the slot connector. Cons are if you want to block it or really push it.

Stock for stock, they're all going to run pretty close to each other so any and all will game like a champ.

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Dufus is right again. I wonder if NVIDIA designed the 5090 FE in such an absurd manner deliberately so PC enthusiasts and gamers would avoid the FE?

 

Yeah, he's not wrong. He also noted going out and snagging a Suprim or Astral for the cooling capacity. I do find myself agreeing with him more often than not.

I think those who want to block or push 5090 to the extreme are no longer (if they ever were) a concern to Nvidia. It's clearly evident by how they keep trying to lock it down in every way possible from having full control over power and voltage. 😞

This is a sleek, compact, well engineered card targeting workstation and sff enthusiasts along with gamers and those who want to slap it in and play their games or get their workflows done.

The FE is not for you and vice versa. 🙂

51 minutes ago, jaybee83 said:

 

gotta admit, it does look quite sleek. but boy do i wonder how much its keeping back the 5090 in terms of being able to stretch its legs with a proper OC...

Guess we'll find out on review day, but whether it is the FE or the Suprim/Astral, that 575w of heat has to go somewhere and that is right in your case unless you block any of them or get an AIO variant.

I run my case completely open now with the back, front and side panels all removed so an AIO model is no longer needed, but my main concern is going to be 575w worth of heat potentially venting into my small computer room.

When I ran a 3090ti, I had to have the door open or the room because a sauna relatively quick. The amount of heat that 450w+ under load chunker threw off was insane. I used to sometimes just hold my hand over it and feel that heat pulsing off of it.

That's where we are again with the 5090....

Even if the FE cools like an engineering marvel, it will be blowing flames like a dragon from Game of Thrones. Might as well have a "Dracarys" edition on these things.

Jay building ITX w/ the 5090 FE in the SSUPD Meshroom 😧

Same length and height as the 4090 but much smaller width.

4090 = 4.8lbs (2178g)

5090 = 4.0lbs (1816g)

Which means that 5090 is DENSE

9 minutes ago, Raiderman said:

🤷‍♂️

Updated! 😁

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Was never, ever going to buy one anyhow cause TEAM RED!! 🤣 

 

@Raiderman

 

Holding out:

 

@Mr. Fox

@Papusan

 

Going with the flow:

 

@electrosoft

 

Definitely buying:

 

@johnksss

@jaybee83

@tps3443

@Talon

 

Did I miss anyone? 🤣

7 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

curious to see how many of the initial "hold outs" here will cave and get a 5090 nonetheless 😄 hardware itch resistance is futile - NvidiBorg 😄 

Was never, ever going to buy one anyhow cause TEAM RED!! 🤣 

@Raiderman

Holding out:

@Mr. Fox

@Papusan

Going with the flow:

@electrosoft

Definitely buying:

@johnksss

@jaybee83

@tps3443

@Talon

Did I miss anyone? 🤣

Something must have been up with 7.02 BIOS for the Asrock Z790i Lightning when no matter what I did, TM5 was failing even on 6400 sticks (those same sticks running rock solid on the Hero right now at 2133/6400). I went back to 6.02 and the problems disappeared. 8.02 just dropped so as a test I went BACK to 7.02 and TM5 was failing again. Went to 8.02 and now TM5 passes no problem again.

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yeah, I can't wait to sell a 4090 at a loss and drop $2000+ (probably $2500-$3000 for A$$zeus) on a small upgrade. Sign me up. NOT.

Yeah, hopefully the reviews will be a bit better but actual real benchmarks out in the wild aren't exactly showing that 30-35% uplift both in OpenCL and Vulkan along with those game tests but the deluge of reviews next week will provide clarity.

54 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I would rather just keep my current 4090 and not buy a 5090 at all. But I am going to try and buy one of course. Hopefully I can get one. If I can’t, I may very well waterblock my 4090, and use it in my build with new case/distro/etc and just keep it for a few years. I game for about 4-8 hours per week, and every time I play a game I think how fast this GPU is. 
 

But I know Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 is coming soon. I want to be ready! Though the 4090 is probably good enough. 

Translation: "Hope I score a 5090, but if not I'm good with my 4090....but I really would like to score a 5090!" 🙂

4090 is still a monster....

On 1/7/2025 at 8:26 AM, ecxedxrip said:

I'd like to share a BIOS unlock method for NH55 Insyde BIOS. I got it from a chinese blogger from bilibili, don't know who actually made it. Tested with latest BIOS (1.07.08). You need format a FAT EFI partition on USB storage device to store the unpacked files and folders. Then, disable SecureBoot from BIOS menu (you must disable Secure Boot even if you can sign it with your own DB key, otherwise it will always stay at boot entry selection menu) and select the USB storage device entry on boot entry selection menu. After some seconds, you'll enter SetupUtility and see all hiden items. It'll not unlock the menu permanently since it works by modifing BIOS code loaded to RAM. If you want to enter the menu next time, you just boot the made device entry again.

NH5xJN_BIOS_Unlock.7z 8.18 kB · 2 downloads

Hmmmm, @jaybee83 this looks interesting. I didn't even notice this post here, but I'll take a looksy, thanks!

Do you have some screen shots of the BIOS post unlock and some results @ecxedxrip?

3 hours ago, 1610ftw said:

 

Some of the old modular laptop crew may like this:

 

 

It is an interesting concept to say the least and probably what he had hinted at in a previous video.

 

Of course it is a bit of a bad joke that this unique watercooled more modular laptop that also sports a good keyboard layout is limited to 16" and rather basic memory and drive options.

 

Same reaction to not having an 18" version of this approach but at least they're trying. If they can aquire mobile dies  and fab their own GPUs like this, that opens up possible upgrades. They just need to keep this form factor going forward.

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5090 benchmarks looking not spectacular.....

~27% uplift in Vulcan and 14% in OpenCL: https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-appears-in-first-geekbench-opencl-vulkan-leaks

~20% gaming uplift with all the bells and whistles turned off but testing methodology is odd in early review leaks of the 5090D (which isn't game capped): https://videocardz.com/newz/geforce-rtx-5090d-reviewer-says-this-generation-hardware-improvements-arent-massive

38 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

 

He's not wrong on a few points.

Same Node.

Same tech basically.

More cuda cores

More voltage

More memory

It reminds me of Nvidia's 500 series a bit when we considered that hot and power hungry stretching the node. This is also why I said before I feel like a bit of Intel at play here and Raptorlake a touch.

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I keep going back and forth. Still in that "Go big (5090) or go home (Used 7900xtx/9070XT/5070) mindset this time around. Do I want the absolute best performance? Am I ok with a lesser card? Tune in January 30th for the next exciting episode of, "As the tech turns."

I like the uncertainty of what I am going to do in less than two weeks. 🙂

I'm eagerly awaiting the various reviews of the 5070, 5090 and 9070xt.

2 hours ago, Raiderman said:

I know this guy will not be spending 2K for a GPU. That is just silly. I will wait for AMD's high end release and enjoy 5080 performance for a fraction of the cost.

You mean next generation? 9070XT would be at best a side grade to your 7900XTX but will actually be less powerful if reports are correct.

I'm tempted to just snag a used 7900XTX and call it a wrap depending on the 9070XT reviews.

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I loved my 4080 Super Suprim X. The quality is really good, so yeah, I will probably just grab a 5090 Suprim. I am considering trading in my 4090 on Newegg. I just hope this does not slow the process somehow during check out. Newegg is offering 1,350 on trade-in for any 4090 which is tempting. Then I won't have to post on OC.net forums and get all the 5070 is faster replies lol. 😄

Can you trade it in before launch day so you have a credit waiting?

lol, that posting over on OC offering $780 for a Strix 4090.....

21 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I got my funds ready for 5090 day. I should have enough for a top AIB model + taxes. (Fingers crossed) 

 

Looks like the 5090 will be at least 35% faster than a 4090. 
 

The one thing I am wondering is how the RTX 5080 will perform. I just can’t see it beating a 4090 or even matching one. No way…. Unless I’m crazy, it’s just the gaps between 4080 Super and 4090 are absolutely MASSIVE. Unless the 5090 is even faster than we think. 🤔 

Nah, the 5090 is going to come in at 30-35% which is more than enough for me to pull the trigger if I disregard proper fiscal responsibility. If it turns out to be faster, woot! But all reports are leaning towards temper your expectations. That uplift is coming mainly from the cuda core uplift (which is about ~33%) and Nvidia opening up the bus and increasing memory frequency enough to properly feed them / that memory interface.

The more I read up on the FE, the more I'm now leaning equally towards all three now with the FE and Suprim tied assuming the Suprim has the superior PCB design. Astral will be good, but I know that price is going to be outlandish. I will pull the trigger on whatever model presents itself and makes it into the basket and checks out. 🤣

4080 Super -> 5080 is an easier read since the bus is the same (256 bit), and you are getting ~5% uplift in CUDA cores but faster memory. It really comes down to the break even point between the cuda cores, memory bus and if the faster GDDR7 is fully being utilized to feed it but we know it is to a degree as the reported uplift is going to be right around 10-11%. All I know is at 4k, the gap between the 5080 and 5090 is going to be monstrous.

I am expecting the 4090 to be faster than the 5080 by ~15-20% but the 5080 to still be a slight upgrade over the 4080 Super and using DLSS4 is that's your cup of tea.

With AMD being non competitive and Nvidia entertaining a Titan again along with AI (!), I am not expecting a 5090ti variant. Plus the 5090 as-is is already pushing the 600w limit of the connector and sanity even taking into consideration PCIe power delivery. This node is being "Intel"'d a little bit methinks for the 5000 series.

I have no idea what Nvidia is going to bring for the 6000 series but this is AMD's chance to do something....

2 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

Nice to see some numbers. I guess going from 4080 Super to 5090 would still be a decent boost but I think my cutoff for return is actually Jan 26th so I will have to decide if I will gamble on finding any card that would be an upgrade.

 

Your testing of the 5800X3D got me interested in the 7945HX3D again. Pushed it to 6200 MCLK + UCLK / 2066 FCLK this morning which passed TM5. 6400 / 2133 would not boot. I need to find a zen4 tuning guide so I can figure out where to start with tuning that. The Kingston Fury 2x16 Hynix kit seems to select functional timings from the start but they are much worse than the same kits on desktop. It seems like VDD / VDDQ also cannot be adjusted from 1.1v on this platform either so that may be a limiter.

4080 Super to even 4090 is a good boost, so extending that another 33% would make it a monster boost.

Which laptop are you using for testing? VDD/VDDQ being limited to 1.1v will definitely keep you capped. Oddly (maybe this is just me), but I tend to focus more on secondary timings for AM5 than primary but both are important. I start with Trefi (due to heat and sensitivity) and work my way through secondary first. why? Dunno. I take things in swaths usually three settings at a time when able unless things work synergistically with each other like a few timings do. You can start with the traditional approach and it still works too for AM5.

Before anything, I always keep my timings as loose as possible, pump up SA/SOC and see where the IMCs can go on both Intel and AMD. Find what is stable the most, then shave off voltage where able. Somewhere I end up striking a compromise which is usually a little less on the IMC/memory and tighter timings as a trade off. I am pushing for 2200/6600 but realistically, I know I'm going to end up at 2133/6400 1:1 on the 9800X3D. I was able to get the 14900KS running at 8600, but I settled for 8200 and much better timings with the TG 8200 sticks.

As for WoW....

I've started some preliminary testing on the 4070 Super with these Crucial POS sticks as a baseline before I jettison them for the 48GB kit included and eventually the TG kit but Flight runs are basically capped to 99%+ because the 4070 Super just doesn't have the juice to keep up with the 14900KS or 9800X3D at all. I'm going to try some raids next but if I want to run some meaningful tests at 4k Ultra 10 RT on to get some meaningful separation, I'm going to need a 4090 again (no?) or a 5090 (yes?) 🙂

I will hesitantly give the 9800X3D some props because those "hitches" (dips) I would sporadically hit on FP runs on the 7800X3D/7950X3D were gone but I won't really know till I hit it with raids/PvP where they were nails on a chalk board.

Make sure to give Orta a whirl out on AK this week to compare 4k Ultra 10 RT on to collect some data.

Looking like as predicted about a ~33% uplift from 4090 to 5090 and ~15% from 4080 to 5080 which would be about ~11-12% for the 4080 Super to the 5080.

Rest of the comparisons are normal variants (non supers) vs 5000 series and if that is the case, the uplift, especially the 4070 Super to 5070 is going to be abysmal.

If I had not sold my 4090 at this point, I might have held onto it. This will definitely NOT be a generational shock and awe like the 4090 over the 3090 but still 33% is nothing to scoff at.....

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-official-geforce-rtx-50-vs-rtx-40-benchmarks-15-to-33-performance-uplift-without-dlss-multi-frame-generation

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, the Carbon is on its way back for a refund and the Gene is ready for business. 

I don't know much about Ryzen SP ratings, but I think this might be fairly average. It's really too bad this CPU can't boot with 2200 FCLK. Maxes out at 2167. God-bin Ryzen CPUs must be very rare or nobody is binning Ryzen CPUs, keeping the best one and selling the "almost as awesome" leftovers like the Intel enthusiasts do.

  

Based on the frequency evident in screenshots, it seems like 2200+ FCLK is either a lot less stressful or challenging for a single CCD processor with half as many cores/threads. Which would seem logical as well.

Unless SP ranges have changed (which they may have), that's a really decent SP score for a 9950x.

That's exactly what enthusiasts are doing ala Intel. They are binning for IMCs first and SP ratings second. That was my objective before even cracking the boxes on both 9800X3D and had the Amazon 9800X3D on order as a backup to test but I see 9800X3D supply is now catching up with demand.

As for better fclk on single ccd, whew, tell that too my 7800X3D and 9800X3D! 🙂 My 7950X3D was the best of the three for fclk...but on average you may be right.

My 7800X3D before could only do 2067 and could only do 6200 1:1 and my 7950X3D topped out at 2100 and topped out at 6200 1:1 also.

My 7600x could do 2200and hit 6400. 6600 wouldn't post.

First 9800X3D topped out at 2000 and couldn't do greater than 5200 stable. It was clearly a POS tested on 2x motherboards. It was an SP113 and it was pure garbage.

This SP112 9800X3D so far has done 2133/6400 stable on pure auto settings and 2200 stable. Fatal Error on 2233 but 2200 is golden status and 2233 is unicorn status and would require an even more unicorn 6800 1:1 so I have 2133/6400 and I'm gunning for 2200/6600. This crucial memory is garbage for any type of decent OC. There is no headroom anywhere without it borking on TM5.

In Crucial's defense, it performs EXACTLY as advertised stock no problem but it is a sub $100 USD kit sent for free eval so it becomes my new baseline testing kit that sits in the drawer. For it's price and placement I wasn't expecting anything meaningful for OC and I was not disappointed.

I'm going to give the G.Skill 2x24GB 6400 kit that was part of this combo deal a whirl next but eventually my TG 8200 xtreem sticks will make their way over for some extended testing but I need my main rig now while I dial in the 9800X3D.

4 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

nice, looks like well have a full 6 days to read up on reviews and decide on which card to get, 5090 reviews coming up on 24-Jan!

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5090-reviews-go-live-january-24-rtx-5080-on-january-30

woot! Return window till Feb 1st. I can ride this 4070 Super to the wire! (wire = 28th).

I'm still banking on my original list but I am always open to being persuaded. 🤣

6 hours ago, johnksss said:

4090 is not needed to game on realistic settings.

"Rant"

It's more about the bragging factor when I see people actually talking about it. And as mentioned before, their KD's usually sucks. Kind of a reality for most because of showboating and not really having the skills to back up owning a high end card. No amount of a gazillion frames is going to help that person get better. You will get respect for owning one, but if you are trash.... Then the jokes will flow.

"End Rant"

We do not know for sure or at least until January 30th when all the NDA's for general public expire, but he was looking into to PNY, which Microcenter usually carries.

 

 

I so wish I would have went, but my mother took ill so I didn't make it, but I sure as hell would have done like I did the last time I went and that is tried to benchmark these new GPU's on the spot. To see for myself and get a real world perspective.

"congrats...you saw yourself get owned and teabagged at 600fps....aren't you special!"

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Hopefully your mom is on the path to a speedy recover @johnksss 

4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

12 P-cores (if they overclock well) with hyperthreading might be a 14900KS upgrade. But, 14 or 16 hyperthreaded P-cores would have been even better. https://www.techpowerup.com/331041/intel-bartlett-lake-appears-as-a-p-e-core-hybrid-p-core-only-cpus-could-soon-follow

 

The X870E Carbon is all boxed up and label affixed to head back for refund. X670E Gene mysteriously went from today originally, to Friday with no tracking updates or movement of the package for 4 days, to sudddenly at my local post office and out for delivery today. Weird.

I would LOVE a 12 P-core only CPU for my Z790i lightning....

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

This might be relevant to X3D stutters, chunks and dips. We get used to running monitoring software like MSI AB and HWiNFO64 and sometimes forget about things we already knew. Need to disable power monitoring in AB if enabled. Maybe the lower X3D core count contributes to it.

 

 

I watched this a few days ago and while it might be a problem it isn't the reason for the dip/chunk unfortunately. I was hoping he had some insight, but it is just afterburner power monitoring that is causing a problem whereas the problem I experienced on the 7800X3D/7950X3D was all on its own without any software running. 😞

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As for testing these Crucials, I know a proper trefi is a no go on them with these insanely cheap heatsinks. as soon as they hit ~60c+, they error out even at 32767. Pity as 65535 knocked off a nice ~5ns-6ns. 😞

I wish these companies made heatsinks like Teamgroup. Those things are monsters!

Doing some fclk testing and usually I drop down to ~5200, but decided to stick to 6000.

2200 pass TM5, but 2233 = Debug Fatal Error atm. This is still on iGPU. I won't get a chance to slap in the 4070 Super for a few days. Return ETA for the 4070 Super end of January.

Think I'm going to start dialing in those Crucial sticks at 2133/6400 sweet spot which is where I will most likely end up for the final gaming mode for now so I can get some WoW testing in before I have to return the 4080 Super and wait to snag a 5090 or 5070/9070XT.

I also think it is safe to cancel that other 9800X3D order on Amazon that will ship next later next week. The odds of scoring a better 9800X3D are slim to none methinks.

21 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

I usually have settings at 10 ultra with RT. I have not tried TWW outdoor raids. Will need to do that. 5080 seems like it should do better than a 4080 Super I think.

 

The 7800X3D + 7900GRE was just not a performance boost much beyond what laptops can do. The MSI x670e tomahawk also kept dropping my m.2 drive.

 

The 7945HX3D is better but it's capped to 100W courtesy of AMD. There are a few other bad bugs like the audio system dropping out until a reboot. It is one MSI system where silent mode actually works and quite well. 55W on the CPU and 100W on the GPU is enough for a good experience given the quiet fan noise. The new steel series controller is also horrible because it has a rainbow RGB boot effect and cannot remember an override.

 

A have read a lot of posts on Reddit and whatnot about people excited for 9955HX3D but it's going to be a poor product if its buggy like this and artificially capped. AMD apparently has to play a bigger role with bios development on these machines so you may as well not consider it being a typical good unlocked MSI laptop bios.

Same on settings at 4k

5080 will definitely be better than the 4080 Super if even only by 10-15% and it will have access to DLSS4 and other things Nvidia reserves for their current line up.

Problem was potentially the 7900GRE. When testing a 7900XTX multiple times, running 4k Ultra 10 w/ RT on basically turned the 7900XTX into a 3080 performance wise. I had to keep RT off to get any decent performance uplift and that was with a 7900XTX. I can imagine the 7900GRE was probably performing much worse.

Here was my original assessment of the 7900xtx for WoW when I reviewed the XFX 7900XTX a few years ago:

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I had bandied about the idea of maybe getting a 7950HX3D laptop, but the X3D chunk on the desktop drove me away. I'll be curious to see if the 9950HX3D is any better but I am sure I'll get my own data sets in a few days when I start testing the 4070 Super on the 9800X3D here.

Last trip I took, I used the NH55 w/ settings dialed down to 7 and it was silky smooth so that was good enough for me in the moment. I still wouldn't say no to a proper 18" behemoth though.

1 minute ago, tps3443 said:

The RTX 5090 better be good for the $2,000 dollars it will cost. Would be cool if they slow down GPU launches to 36+ months now that they literally have no competition from anyone. They could sit on a flagship for years 🤣 Just like the 4090, the only thing that beats it is a 5090. 

Nvidia will never rest again after the 6000 series fright.

This cycle is shaping up exactly like before when AMD gave up during Turning and introduced a mid tier product based on their new RDNA technology in the 5700xt and it was GOOD for what it was but it was just a precursor for what was to come which was the 6000 line up and outside of RT basically, it was neck and neck with Nvidia all the way up to 4k even.

This is *exactly* what you want. The same way AMD pushed Intel to keep being better instead of extending releases and stretching tired, old nodes. Nvidia knows AMD is constantly pushing themselves and todays darling can turn on a dime.

9000 series is going to be a good mid tier card, but this is setting the stage for their next gen and no way Nvidia is going to let AMD trump them or even get that close ever again.

Even the 7000 series and market forces course corrected Nvidia this generation with the 9000 series incoming. Why else would Nvidia give MORE performance and LOWER prices on their mid tier cards?

Biggest fear for buyers is Nvidia dropping a 5090ti but with rumors of a proper titan class card in the wind this time legitimately, AI-mania and AMD toast past the 5070ti, there is almost zero chance of that happening.

Just now, Papusan said:

 

The only advantage for the AIB partners is.... They sell their cards all over the world. Many places you can't get an FE card. Either empty in the store or you can't buy them. And with the silicon lottery... All over the place. The more expensive cards offer better bling bling, better power delivery and cooler but don't be sure you get a good binned chips. And then you have the vram lottery. Not so sure the better cards (the more expensive one) will get the better binned IC's. 

 

But prepare for scalpers. 2000$ cards is cheaper than expected. They want their bite of the cake.

100% true @Papusan 😞

Still wish a company like Silicon Lottery would step up and do it with GPUs and sell them at tiers based on silicon and/or memory quality.

2 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

 

I found the 4080 Super was generally doing ok even in some outdoor raids (those 20th anniv. world bosses). It did not fall below 50fps generally. That is with CPU at 4.8ghz, mesh at 3ghz, memory at 6400 CL32 and only using a QHD display.

 

I do not think I would want to go back to a non-HEDT chip. I did not like the 7800X3D and the 7945HX3D is equally unappealing. 14900K and even a 285K would be to close to laptop offerings so I would just use a laptop again in that case. I guess at least the desktop GPU's (5080 or 5090) should not really devalue that much so if I go through the trouble of getting one it would not be a big deal to just resell.

Agreed, even the 4070 Super is absolutely playable and acceptable within expectations. I know if I pick up a 5090, I can crank everything back up to Ultra 10 RT on and be good to go and even moreso with the 5090 and basically be ~100+ fps MIN everywhere including raids and some PvP but will sit at frame cap 144fps just about everywhere else with the 5090 twiddling its thumbs a lot of times because my 4090 spent a lot of time outdoors frame capped at 144fps yawning.

I found the outdoor raids in TWW hit harder than the outdoor raids in 20th anniv content due to location and older assets overall. What settings do you use for D2D gaming in WoW?

Can I ask what you found unappealing about the 7800X3D and 7945HX3D specifically in regards to not only games but elsewhere? I always value your insight.

5080 and especially 090 class cards do hold their value during the first 3-6 months inflated, relatively close mid  cycle and then back to MSRP value (or slightly higher) end cycle. This is what I have experienced during Ampere and Ada.

On your desktop, if you get a 5090, you will experience an uptick in performance just by the nature of the GPU itself and it will definitely be very tangible versus your 4080S considering the gap even between a 4080S and a 4090.