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Just now, Mr. Fox said:
As far as I am concerned, any hardware "feature" that requires installing software to function is not actually a feature, but a stupid gimmick that should be regarded as worthless. If the feature only works in Windows it is even more worthless. Having to install software is an unacceptable joke, even if Linux support is provided for it. The PC tech industry is quickly becoming the domain of idiots and profusely littered with trash.
1 minute ago, Papusan said:Software to fix fundamental hardware functions is lame. In the old days you didnt have to install software or drivers to make Intel chips works. Even the chipset driver isn't an real driver.
**** also feels like a workaround **** rather than a fundamental improvement in game performance. Instead of broad architectural gains, this approach selectively enhances individual titles through predefined profiles. The biggest limitation is support
https://www.guru3d.com/review/core-ultra-5-250k-and-7-270k-plus-processor-review/page-30/
Intel and even AMD have before and now are offering CPU optimization tools to compensate primarily for scheduler issues with these hybrid chips and then the next level is re-ordering (aka optimizing) execution for optimal performance dynamically.
We are basically talking drivers here.
I don't see a problem with these drivers / tools Instead I see a problem with Windows and to a lesser degree developers making trash, bloated, unoptimized software.
It's like when you run Timespy or Steel Nomad and you can see a certain performance delta between AMD and Nvidia so that sets a performance bar.
We know the 5090 is heads and tails more powerful than the 9070xt / 7900xtx, yet you will suddenly see titles where the performance narrows to an insane level not reflective of benchmarks.
You then go into games and literally the performance varies anywhere between 20 to 90% depending on the game being tested not only AMD vs Nvidia but even Nvidia vs Nvidia and AMD vs AMD. The variance and bloat is insane.
This can extend even to CPU performance. Some games have horrific CPU optimizations. It was no shock that WoW was on the Intel APO short order list of games.
WoW is guilty of this and needs a major overhaul. Player physics absolutely tanks performance regardless of the CPU and leaves the GPU twiddling its thumbs.
Fallout 76 is guilty too and needs a major overhaul. The differential in X3D vs Intel for performance is insane.
So many console ports relying on the grunt of the CPU/GPU and not optimizing properly need it too.
Watching Vex's take on Crimson Desert and some truly great scaling and optimization vs so many bloated corpses masquerading as competent game engines.
4 minutes ago, Talon said:Being mislead by tech tubers telling you that you have to install 'additional' software was your first mistake. The Intel Performance Package is literally a motherboard driver that you install just like my 9850X3D has Chipset drivers that installs a 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer driver. No longer do you have to enable anything in the BIOS, it's all on by default, you no longer download the overlay (was never required before anyways) from the Microsoft store as it's all been brough in house, single Intel PPP Driver which installs everything. Intel PPP driver is now on the Intel website as well as your motherboard support page. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/869519/intel-platform-performance-package.html
So PPP isn't a gimmick, it's literally Platform Power Management and Optimizations that every single vendor does. I'm not sure how this misunderstanding even started.
Basically this...........
I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth and NOT accept CPU or GPU makers doing what they can to optimize and present their products in the best light to my benefit no matter the scale or exclusivity.
I do get rankled a bit when they have the ability to backport the technologies to previous CPUs/GPUs but don't trying to push current iterations as hard as possible though....but that's for another day. 🙂
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Looks like I might have to RMA sometime soon.
x870e Hero LCD display is starting to go on the fritz and flash random colors in patches. Google search shows this is a known problem and eventually it will die flat out, bummer.
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On 3/26/2026 at 2:38 PM, win32asmguy said:Yeah, UMAF did work with both the A51 18 and Dell Pro Max 18 Plus. Sometimes it would freeze or fail to apply settings though so you have keep trying if something did not stick. Just be aware that with any later bios update Dell may write-protect the EFI setup variable region which effectively disables modifying any hidden settings.
With the Legion 9i SREP worked on the shipping bios but none of the updates. NGU and D2D can be adjusted but on this one memory timing changes always fail to train. Its basically stuck at 5200MT CL38 Dual Rank (the 64GB Kingston Fury kit). M-die also worked at 5600MT but timings were much worse than the Kingston kit.
There will be an 18 inch Uniwill chassis but this year it only gets up to 5070 mobile. Next year its supposed to have better GPU options according to Prema, so Eluktronics should end up carrying it.
Yeah, I remember when they did that on my 11th gen XPS laptop from them after I altered the cfg values to enable TS support a subsequent BIOS update locked it down even further. It's problematic so that's why I was asking about your experience with Smokeless.
A 5070 is just a bit too under powered on the laptop scene for me at this point. 5070ti is the bare level entry level 😞
All I want is an 18" laptop with full BIOS control and at least a 5070ti+ with a super beefy cooling system and space to mod.....am I asking too much? 🤣
1 hour ago, Papusan said:Hmm. Seen more info about this? Intel should stop make such changes within same gen Chips (to upsell the refresh as something new). Almost as Nvidia making new gen fake frames features as the new for new gen Graphics cards. Soon you'll pay extra for software features or slight tuned firmware/vbios versions to milk more money from the more expensive Gpu SKUs.
A popular benchmark, Geekbench, says it will issue a warning when Intel’s new “Arrow Lake Refresh” desktop chips enable Intel’s new IBOT feature. Why? Because the benchmark vendor can’t be sure that scores reported with it can be considered trustworthy.
Regarding IBOT. NOT Intel APO. What will Intel brand the Optimizer software feature next time?
What buyers of Arrow Lake Refresh should know is that IBOT is not on by default, so if you want this performance boost, you must use Intel’s software to activate the feature. It also is only in 12 games as a start, with no concrete timeline for additional title support.
And yes, for those who’ve abandoned Windows: IBOT will eventually come to Linux. But Intel won’t say when—not just yet.
Yeah seems to be the new thing with adding new features to the newest products at the time. Intel potentially pulling an AMD and Nvidia move. This isn't new as APO really didn't go anywhere. Luckily it had WoW support and I still enable it on the wife's system for her SP109 14900KS. I wouldn't expect IBOT to have long, far reaching support that builds upon Arrow Lake and continues to extended to it and Nova in the future but you never know.
Either way, if Intel is able to dynamically reorder execution instructions to extract better performance, I'm here for it.
37 minutes ago, Talon said:https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/17330779
Geekbench doesn't like me being able to wipe the field of other x86 CPUs like this lol. Can't hurt AMD fanboy feelings.
Nice!
Still crazy how Apple silicon ST scores are pretty bonkers now but I'm so glad to see Intel making the right moves lately from Battlemage to returning to mobile dominance to enhancing and lowering the prices of Arrow Lake and not doing a cash grab of a 290k.
All reports show Nova is going to be a monster.
I haven't picked up a 270k individually yet as prices shot up but I did snag a combo deal on hold from Microcenter for $617.50 to contemplate with a 270k, MSI Z890 Tomahawk and 2x16GB Crucial DDR5 6400 that I would just use in my Z20 Jonsbo mATX case.
Still mulling it over if I want to pick that up, suck it up and pay the current $349.99 price tag or just wait till the first wave hype dies down and prices return a bit.
Kinda want to play around with an MSI z890 board though too for comparison....
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In before the "Well, max tuned chip vs chip I think the 14600k would be better blah blah blah" crowd pipes up...not realizing 99% of users aren't going to touch their settings at all and even just enabling XMP is scary to them....🤣
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15 hours ago, Reciever said:
So now I'm looking at one of the following
7800 xt, 7900 xt, gre, 9070, xt, possible 7900 xtx
Also looking to pick up an x570-ace for dual GPU scenario in tandem with losses scaling.
Only reason for entertaining a second 7900 xtx is in the faint hope I can get one with better memory overclocking. Seems to be where people are able to hit gold.
At that point I'll pick up a waterblock for the 5800 X3D also, I'll make it easier on my fingers digging into the system time and again.
Also tried booting some of the Gpu's I have but don't seem to be porting lol just my luck
Offloading frame gen to a secondary card via which method?
In regards to just generically picking amongst that group, it would be the 9070xt but depending on how you're offloading and executing FG, it would come down to potentially best bang for the buck too.
14 hours ago, win32asmguy said:I think its supposed to be 30x NGU and D2D, 40x Ring. My 275HX in the Hydroc G2 can do that easily with Premamod, but the real advantage comes from memory tuning. I have seen a few post sub-80ns AIDA64 scores, but I find heat is a big limitation on combined load stability so realistically for me 85ns is the best it can do on air with reasonable ambient temperatures.
I think the A51 18 could do better temperature wise with the memory as the modules sit on the side opposite of the vapor chamber. You would have to use Smokeless UMAF to modify timings and test. Sadly max MT would be somewhat limited compared to even a mediocre desktop board as you cannot adjust VDD2 up beyond 1.1v (except on the Hydroc G2 with Premamod).
Did you ever give Smokeless a try on your Alienware 18 or Dell Max 18 before sending them back? How much flexibility do you have on your Lenovo? I really wish they had an 18" version of the Hydro. 😞
I'm content with my Alienware 18 275hx/5070ti primarily because it was free so bang for buck is undetermined since buck == 0; 🤣 I haven't had much time to play around with it lately though.
I've been plowing through Midnight at 4k Ultra settings and I think I can safely say we've reached end game with the 5090. Numerous spots can get into the mid to high 80s utilization but nothing so far can cap it out. This shows a 5080 or 4090 would still hit walls in some spots due to the high utilization spots on the 5090
As I'm sure you've experienced, Silvermoon, like Dorongal is an instant player physics frame killer....
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AMD officially dropping the 9950X3D2 April 22nd...... I don't think this is going to do much of anything for gaming overall with the same fabric limitations which will be greatly enhanced in Zen 6 but you never know.....
I'll be keeping an eye out on this one as I skipped the 9850X3D as it seemed a silly bin bump that can't even sustained its rated speeds in many scenarios vs the 9800X3D which is rock solid.
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Official confirmation of the 290k being scrapped (which we knew already)
270k officially available but showing up for $349.99 not $299.99 shipped and sold by Newegg and Amazon. Microcenter also has it listed for $357.....
Shenanigans!
Of course it is popping up in combo deals already as Newegg (and soon Micro$enter) tries to bundle and move stagnant hardware....
I'm going to hold off and let the air clear a bit as this SP83 265k is doing well enough atm....
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Cheapest GPU prices:
5060 8GB........$349.99
5060 16GB......$699.99 (?)
5060ti 8GB.....$379.99
5060ti 16GB....$539.99
5070...............$629.99
5070ti.............$913.99
5080...............$1289.99
5090...............$3799.99 (You have TWO kidneys....you'll be ok!)
9060xt 8GB...$329.99
9060xt 16GB.$439.99
9070..............$599.99
9070xt...........$699.99
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14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:
Sweet! Nice to see Intel opening a can of whoopass. I wonder if there will be a 290K Plus? That would be the one I would want. It would need to be a 9950X beater in all core workloads.
Unless something changes in a big way with Zen 6, my next build will most likely be a return to Intel. Will see what happens when it happens and go from there. I think the 9950X is a very good CPU, but I do not like how many hard-coded functional limitations there are with AMD CPUs and the X3D CPU features don't really offer me anything important to me since I am not particularly obsessed with gaming.They opted to skip the slated 290k Plus and just stick with the 250k and 270k. Seeing as the 270k is basically a 285k but depending on bins will be better and the 290k was literally the 285k just pushed a bin up, Intel actually did the right thing this time coming in at killer price points on both the 250k and 270k.
Technically, 285k has TVB but it is a non starter really for us.
And just like that, the 9600x drops to ~$182 a few days before the 250k launches.....
Mobile wise, I'm curious to see what 290hx plus brings to the table as it is rumored to have 10-15% more performance than the 275/285hx variants but that will come down to the supporting rig around the engine as always. Difference between the 275hx in my Acer Neo 16s and the 275hx in my Alienware 18 is night and day.
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Zen 6 is rumored to have a 24 core variant though and if we get that, double X3D AND what is rumored to be significant fabric interconnect latency improvements, it could be a killer chip too.
But Nova is going to be a brand new architecture with its own 3d caching system and I am expecting absolutely killer performance out of it too. Unlocked with absolutely no boundaries and a ton of cores, it has pulled ~600-700w in testing. Sounds right up your alley @Mr. Fox!
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Apple's new M5 Max chip is a decent little bump CPU wise but GPU wise it is a pretty substantial upgrade....
M1->M5 performance progression in just the Macbook 16" Max models. I imagine the slated M5 Ultra is going to be a beast especially now with M5 the CPU and GPU are own their own, individual modules with Apple having solved the high speed interconnect issues and allowing the same shared memory. This bodes well for future configs too for really building out Macs with multiple GPUs.
AI performance is absolutely through the roof. I suspect a lot of M5 Ultra boxes are going to be snapped up for AI work.
CPU:
GPU Raster:
GPU RT:
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Intel Ultra 5 250k review. Out of box is clearly a step up over the 245k in a meaningful way not just productivity but gaming even beating the 265k in many games and some productivity. We'll need a deep dive and I'm sure some will pick up the 250k to bin. I'm really curious about the 270k now more than ever....
Some rudimentary memory scaling results (XMP modes across the board):
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Deba8auer and the 270k price performance. Cheaper and faster than a 285k.....
$299.99 is a killer price...
Definitely picking up a few to bin.
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Newest drivers 4090 vs 5090 4k:
Comes down to games and CPU bottlenecking because the variance is pretty pronounced.
On average, 5090 is 36% faster with The Last of Us being 50% faster and the lowest being Red Dead Redemption II at 27%. A few of the other games also pushed near 50% faster too.
5090 is definitely a beast when fed properly....
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On 3/21/2026 at 3:59 PM, Papusan said:Nope, no compute can fix this. The bad weather we have in Norway follow me also down to my favorite place outside Africa. 10 days into my holiday and same bad awful weather every damn day. Someone really hates me🤕
The icecoold from Sept to May in my home place under the North pole ain't enough, then this trash/winter storms in the spring down south. I don't know what to say. Almost giving up. And the Bungalows and outside area isn't built for this type rainy weather/storms. Tiles on the floor everywhere can't drain the flood of rain.The climate is in change. The fix is building more AI slop running on more gas and oil. Sure. I living in one of the coldest an rainy places on earth. The weather being worse and worse. Rest of the world will follow same paths. Sad.
Tenerife hit by snow as Storm Therese brings wind and rain to Canary Islands
Sorry @Papusan the retreat is turning out to be a weather fiasco. Nothing worse than plunking down hard earned money on a trip and mother nature decides to slap you around while giggling....
On 3/21/2026 at 5:16 PM, Mr. Fox said:Sorry to hear the weather is ruining your vacation. That sucks, especially since it cost money for something you're not able to enjoy. I hope the stormy weather goes away soon.
It is almost always too hot in the Arizona desert, but I am thankful that it is rare and very seldom that I have to tolerate stormy or catastrophic weather events. Apart from an occasional and isolated haboob or monsoon, no rain, no snow, no hail, no tornados, etc. Just relentless heat most of the year. Almost never any surprises. The consistency is good if you can put up with the heat.
New technical vids on WVP2.
I always forget to subscribe to TGs YT when I click through. Finally remembered.
You would think they would have more subscribers than 1.85k.
As I get older, I can definitely see the benefits of predictable weather states or at least those that lean more towards the warmer side.
I prefer warm weather or at least shorts wearing weather. I despise long pants. Always have and loathe when I have to wear them. I've been known to wear shorts in 50 degree weather because that still works for me.
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Had a problem registering two PSUs with EVGA and contacted support and response time was just as quick (if not quicker) than it was in the past use the exact same system. Rep went in and quickly sorted out the issue and got everything on the same page.
Generated an RMA....
One big improvement with EVGA and their RMA process now is they generate and send you a free shipping label for defective/failing items for returns. Before, you had to pay S&H to get the item to them. Score another big plus for them.
Man, I wish they still made MBs and GPUs.... 😞
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5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:It is as easy as disconnecting one QDC, turning off one valve and plugging in two QDC fittings. I could probably break into both of those clubs had I let the chiller run longer and got the water a few degrees colder. I might do it later just to say I did. I know I would be proud of myself... for a few minutes, then it wouldn't be enough and I'd feel compelled to push harder. I am starting to feel like all of it is just an exercise in futility and have been asking myself "What's the point?" more than I have in the past. Not because I don't enjoy benching. I do enjoy it a lot, but because everything is both super expensive and in short supply it gives me pause. If I kill something having fun with it, replacing it might literally be near impossible due to availability and cost. And, that is a tough pill to swallow when it is all just for fun and there is literally no reward other than a momentary sense of personal accomplishment that nobody else cares about.
I've been trying to re-ignite my old passion for gaming, but it's really difficult for me to get into it with most of the newer game titles. A lot of them are made for a different generational mindset and gaming styles that I personally do not care for. The titles that I would play and enjoy require me to do things I am unwilling to do (as a matter of principle) for the sake of online multiplayer anti-cheating crap.
The passion is there, but the mitigating circumstances can definitely take the wind out of the sails definitely. When you lose confidence in the AIB/OEM to properly support their product and supply a proper repair or replacement can make you start to go into ultra protective / conservative user mode.
Watching consumers get absolutely screwed on proper RMA memory returns both directly (Silicon Power) and indirectly (Umart in Australia) really makes pushing your memory a precarious situation these days because you won't get a proper replacement.
TechYesCity even noted talking to contacts earlier this year that companies are purposely EOL'ing older, existing SKUs and replacing them with basically the same item with a new SKU just so they can say that product is no longer carried and they don't have to replace your DDR5 with like or similar at their discretion. Worst case scenario is you get a refund or credit for your original purchase price paid but when you only paid $100 and now that same memory is $400+?
Watching GPU makers basically put the cards under a jewelers microscope to deny RMAs is also shady and dirty....
Intel not blanket taking back degraded 13th and 14th gen chips and instead making you jump through invoice / chain of ownership BS is also lame....
What a cop out.....
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19 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:
Good on Jay getting that off his chest. The trolls are insufferable in the comments these days and I can see how it could have him second thinking himself and losing focus on the fact he loves tinkering with computers and cars and making videos about it.
He really shouldn't have to justify himself or feel bad because the market is so bad. I watch plenty of videos of things I would never buy for many reasons and I still enjoy them greatly. I would say 90% of the videos I watch are of things I will never buy.
GN has gone full scorched earth on the industry in the best way and I'm here for that too. I feel like Steve from GN is what @Papusan would be like if he hosted a channel sometimes 🤣
18 hours ago, Papusan said:Msi nowadays...
The company is hoping to profit on premium products and AI data centers
https://www.techspot.com/news/111720-msi-plans-raise-prices-up-30-amid-memory.html
Yeah, I touched on this earlier from a videocardz posting. With contracted supply, they are going to prioritize higher margin items and push prices.
Corporations doing as expected even if MSI is one of my favorites....
NO corporation is your "friend" They are there to sell their products and wares and make as much money as possible. It is your job to be a smart consumer and maximize your $$$ while obtaining what you want from said corporations.
14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:Decided to fire up the chiller since today was over 95°F and my office was a bit too toasty. Got a couple of personal best scores. Steel Nomad was pulling 1650W from my 1500W UPS that was screaming about "overload" the entire time. To keep the WireView Pro II from shutting things down I had to max out the current limit in the software (25.5A per wire, 150A total).
https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/3dmark_-_steel_nomad_dx12/submissions/5991752 | https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/154125943
https://hwbot.org/benchmarks/cinebench_-_r23_multi_core_with_benchmate/submissions/5991744
Nice! I was wondering if you used it at all or even had it set up to get back in action quickly. So close to breaking 50k on CB! Maybe see if you can push for the 18k club on the 5090?
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13 hours ago, Reciever said:
25 bucks is honestly not much at all, especially these days. Perhaps I would be more inclined to pay that given I know some of your history and how high of standard you set for whats acceptable, let alone whats considered useful for benching. If you decide to give it away for free or charge w/e price you want that choice is ultimately yours.
Anyone who skoffs at that can honestly kick rocks. In fact it pisses me off at how lax the moderation is over there as discussing pricing openly was always against their TOS unless they changed it.
The whole thing reminds me of the type of person who would spend 5 grand on a pc only to re-use some long retired ratted out power strip and complain about it catching fire.Honestly dont regret no longer surfing those forums.
It's crazy how instead of quietly opting not to pay the entitlement and indignation that someone would exercise their right to charge for their work.
I surf more than post on most forums these days. I do keep plenty of popcorn on hand though for the routine flame wars that break out.....
5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:I'm on the fence with AI supporting technologies.
If we can get FG latency down to non FG levels (IE, allow acknowledged user interrupts on generated frames), I'm ok with it but till then for many games it is a non starter.
If DLSS advances sufficiently enough to be indistinguishable from traditional hardware rendered frames and the end user experience is identical, that's a win for performance because we've shifted a large portion of the rendering burden onto another another technology that provides an overall better gaming experience.
My problem with DLSS5 is going to be it isn't trying to match the original rendered images. Instead, it is going all Instagram / Snapchat filters on everything and actually changes drastically what the original source looked like and that doesn't work for me.
On the other hand, devs may embrace DLSS5 and design their original textures with DLSS5 in their workflow to determine their desired final product. I'm ok with this and I think this is what the future holds. Using AI to assist in your image/texture generation both source/static and realtime / ingame.
I think many are up in arms right now because of the drastic "glow up" it is giving pre-existing games to the point it drastically changes the original.....like many do online applying insane filters to their pictures that are painfully obvious to everyone with a modicum of a critical eye. I know I've grown tired of family and friends routinely slapping filters on their social media pictures. I never use them. It's not real life and when you happen to run into those same family and friends out and about they look NOTHING like their online pictures.
Until then? I'll stick with traditional rendering unless the performance is so low that it is counter enjoyable and then I would entertain it.
Remember first gen RT was laughed at....it is now standard and AMD and Intel followed suit
First gen DLSS was laughed at....it is now standard and AMD and Intel followed suit
First gen FG was laughed at.....it is rapidly becoming a standard option and AMD and Intel following suit
Nvidia owns 94% of the discrete GPU market.... they're clearly onto something or at least something consumers prefer.
Not now, but I expect DLSS5 to be a major workflow tool for future dev work....
Is that a good or bad thing? Time will tell....
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On 3/13/2026 at 9:51 PM, Mr. Fox said:
Agree with every statement you made. MSI > ASUS as a company, but MSI < ASUS for firmware and overclock focus. EVGA had them all beat, but now they are irrelevant.
What is so stupid is MSI marketed this motherboard as being targeted for overclocking, especially memory overclocking, then they do something extra stupid and gimp the firmware options related to memory overclocking. What the heck? Nuts.
Conceptually same as the Lightning. "Hey guys, here is this extremely expensive GPU designed for extreme overclocking. You won't find out you're getting screwed until you buy it. Core is not binned, and no... no XOC BIOS for you. Only our chosen few. Hurry... buy it... quantities are limited." Screw 'em. Scammer losers.
And, now there is this... the good old days are gone for PC enthusiasts. At least until the AI bubble burst and they find out they actually DO need us. Right now we're getting shafted left and right. Gee, thanks Lisa Su. Witch.
Speaking of AI... LFG...
Speaking of EVGA, I just started the RMA process on my P2 1600w. I noticed EVGA no longer carries Platinum or higher rated 1600w PSUs so we'll see how that goes.....
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For the prices being charged for specialty 5090s, they need to be binned, unlocked and offer the owner unfettered access to all the top end BIOS variants and be able to cross flash everything under the sun.
5090 market is in shambles atm and prices returning to $3k+ for even budget priced models. Zotac Solid is the cheapest 5090 available on pcpartpicker and it is ~$3800.....insane.
I think you and I took the right approach and waited for prices to get somewhat sane before picking up our 5090s. I came to my senses with that Astral 5090 and returned it on day 59 of a 60 day return window and just rode that 9070xt till a good 5090 deal came along. Best decision I ever made. I'll never gravitate towards the top end of the 090 series ever again. I'm loathe to think of the pricing of the 6090 whenever that drops....
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I finally got a chance to watch the GN report on AMD and no surprise there just massive disappointment as always. Jensen laid the groundwork and AMD hopped right in schmoozing the administration full tilt.
AMD really committed to schmoozing with the Biden administration and went full tilt with the trump administration. The current administration is, ah, much more open to increased "collabs" with big corporations and, um, "maximizing" their interfacing via Super PACs and other donations (Ballroom aisle one)......when we saw all the tech CEOs and high rollers sitting front and center at the inauguration, we knew what was coming.
Unadulterated greed and an administration that is extra sensitive to pocket lining has relegated the common citizen even further down the food chain.
I still want AMD to succeed because they are the GPU underdog and if only to counter Nvidia just as they did to Intel to keep both in check.
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9070xt vs 7900xtx with the newest drivers....
7900xtx is still a beast and unless you want better RT and access to the newest technologies, zero reason to upgrade and you get an extra 8GB on top of it to boot with the 7900xtx:
The only meaningful overall upgrade from a 7900xtx is a 5080 or 5090 IMHO:
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8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:So, now the trolls come out of the woodwork. Entitlement is a serious problem. That's one reason why @Prema changed his approach. Good guys are always hated, LOL.
https://www.overclock.net/posts/29569920/
The entitlement is insane.
"Why can't I have it for free?"
"It's stupid to charge for some stupid mod"
@Prema did the right thing and only works with those he trusts along with an OEM.
I know you're like me and every time I was given access to custom work, mods or files with a clear directive from the creator to not share them, I never shared them period. Most times, I never even mentioned it in forums and still don't because you're always going to have someone message you asking for it, pleading for it and getting mad when you say no. I just opt to keep that to myself and quietly work with it on my own.
One reason why in the 5090 forums last year watching people begging then getting mad wanting those who had the XOC to break their NDAs or promises and share them was nails on a chalkboard to me. Yes, I wanted the BIOS but I also understood why I did not have access to them and they were basically going after and blaming the wrong people.
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MSI x870E Unify Max is looking very tasty.......
Also MSI......raising prices and cutting back on lower end SKUs to compensate for supply shortages
AKA the double Whammy....
https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-says-nvidia-is-supplying-about-20-fewer-gpus-than-the-market-needs
"To protect margins, MSI plans to cut back on lower-end models and move more resources toward higher-end products. Money UDN says low-end models previously made up about 30% of the mix, and MSI now wants to focus more on mid-range and higher-tier products, with RTX 5060 and RTX 5070 class systems..."
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7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:
MSI, in typical MSI fashion, has dropped the ball on their BIOS development. They mysteriously omitted the AMD CBS menus and sub-menus, so there are lots of tweaks that were not accessible with the stock BIOS. It has taken a couple of days worth of mods and testing to get them added back. So, basically restoring expected function and features. It's really ridiculous that it was not present because it is an AMD firmware default menu option AFAIK.
Couple this with how they behaved with the 5090 Lightning BIOS and insisting that Techpowerup take it down from their GPU BIOS database makes it hard to respect their brand in my mind. The MSI brand is all about show, not go.
There was a recent article on this that got little attention. I tried to contact @flashhez and @chew and got no response, but Svet (the MSI Forum guy) came to the rescue. The world needs more people like Svet and Prema.
Enthusiasts have unlocked hidden overclocking menus on the MSI B850MPOWER motherboard
Have the best, easily unlock enabled laptop bios this side of Prema, but purposely lock down the bios on the MSI B850M POWER??
Look how long it took Asus to let the XOC run free (ish) and then we have the Lightning situation. I get the position of both that in the wrong hands both can drastically increase the chances of wrecking cards but still....
I still prefer Asus BIOS over MSI. EVGA > ASUS > MSI.
Still prefer MSI over Asus as a company....
Big ups to @svet!
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On 3/8/2026 at 3:20 PM, Papusan said:
Silicon lottery vs paying a buttload for basically the same card.....
That lightning is gimped with that poor stock voltage and it's a poor sample. Even applying the extra voltage in AB can't save it. All that extra wattage can't save it. Clearly MSI isn't binning too much. Lightning for sale over on the OC forums with a nice, healthy 1.105v voltage cap and a good clocker and even then.......~$6600 USD (toss on a 15-20% tariff on top of that).
The Lightning display causing erratic and lower 1% lows is the icing on the cake.....
On 3/8/2026 at 9:59 PM, Mr. Fox said:When we are done obliterating Iran we need to do the same to China. Evil nations need to be exterminated. There is no place for them.
Insane. Two distributors screwing him over two different ways......
On 3/9/2026 at 1:15 PM, Papusan said:Good luck. "The Land of the Free". Soon almost gone. You always get what you ask for. It's for a reason etc Microsoft want that you only can sign in into your pc with an M$ account. Also why some states will ban Linux as your preferred OS. Forced on you by the current government. Sad! Same also happens from the different US States policy. Freedom will vanish and be something forgotten from the past. And China lead the way.... The free world will just follow after the bell sheep (China).
Yupp, AI have its advantage. Government will use it to keep the citizens under their thumb. Exactly as China have done the last two decades.
Anthropic Sues Pentagon, Argues Blacklisting Violates Free Speech
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NVIDIA addresses the memory crisis: “I think the fact that everything is scarce is fantastic for us; when things are scarce, you choose the best.”
trump admin approach to Anthropic is disgusting. Basically using strong arm mafia tactics because they won't let their AI tools run automated and unchecked in battlefield situations or for enhanced surveillance.
Hey you won't let us do what we want so we're going to label you a "supply chain risk," potentially catastrophically hurting your business because agreed upon restrictions you won't lift for us.....wow....just wow....
As for Nvidia, the golden rule is in full effect atm. Nvidia is the performance top dog with all the gold....or at least 94% of it. Dominating in every aspect from Steam to AI and more. Someone needs to make a better product to even have a chance of unseating them anytime soon and it isn't the current generation. AMD needs to have their next gen cards (10900xt? 10090xt?) match the consistent rumors and really bring the heat or Nvidia will just continue to dominate.
9070xt is a damn good card for what it is, but it runs hot and heavy for what it brings compared to the 5070ti. Node shrink is definitely needed along with architecture advancements but AMD has really caught up in many areas at serious speeds.
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14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:
It's mine. I am going to sell the Strix build with the 4090 locally.
Nice! Make a nice chunk of change on the "almost as good as my main rig" setup and have a very competent secondary rig.
New toys on deck or into the kitty for future consideration? Mine was destined for the kitty but got slammed with a larger than expected tax bill, so there goes that.... 🤑
14 hours ago, Reciever said:Couple of new additions to the roster.
Traded one of my 5700 XT's to a coworker for his 6500 XT. It'll act as my frame Gen mule on the TV and main gaming monitor.
The second was my first real GPU. Anyone care to guess what it is?
5700xt is still one of my favorites. I had the AMD anniversary blower edition for over a year (~august 2019 to ~Oct 2020) before upgrading to a 3090FE fresh from BB.
I remember Asus red fans and AMD cards era, so definitely an AMD card I think. I kinda remember those around when I got my EVGA Nvidia GTX 280 so circa 2009-2010?
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4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:
Say hello to the newest example of silly things we want but don't need.
- Phanteks XT M3
- MSI B850MPower
- EPYC 4585PX CPU
- Lian Li GA II LITE RGB 360mm AIO
- 32GB V-Color Manta XSky 6000 CL26
- ASUS Prime RTX 5080 OC
- Thermaltake Toughpower 1200W PSU
- 2TB NVMe x3 on mobo
- 2TB NVMe x4 on Sabrent Quad 4X card
- 1TB SATA SSD and 2TB SATA SSD
- Cougar single-frame 360mm reverse-blade fan trio in case floor
I am updating the BIOS now and will reach out again to Svet about doing a BIOS mod for it.
Sheesh, that's a powerful micro atx build right there! What is it's final destination?
I was just looking at that MSI B850M Edge MB for the Jonesbo Z20 I have. It is a portable SFF but supports MATX and I was just fighting an uphill battle trying to stick to an ITX board in it. I like that it is a 2 dimmer too.
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A more indepth deep dive comparison from BBT 9070xt vs 5070ti.
Trading blows, showing the massive improvements in RT, actually beating the 5070ti at 1440p and more....
Again, if priced equally, I would give the slight nod to the 5070ti, but at current prices (cheapest 9070xt 709.99 vs cheapest 5070ti 965.99) I would go AMD all day everyday.
Hopefully next gen with the rumors swirling around, AMD is going to finally produce a card that will compete not only with the 5090 but 6090. This feels like the 5700xt (which I rocked solid for a full year) all over again and the calm before the 6000 series storm that had them draw even with Nvidia in raster and in some cases beat them at 1440p on the flag ship models. The gains in not only fsr but ray tracing have been absolutely massive for AMD and they really have caught up quickly to Nvidia up to the 5070ti/ 5080ish level at least this generation.
9070xt does run hot and heavy though. They need to work on that. Seeing those 600w+ transient spikes on the 9070xt in OCCT was pretty eye opening..... so much so I restarted testing with GPUZ and HWInfo running to confirm.
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Loving the updated HWInfo for WVP2 along with the MSI MEG 1600T data.....
Still boggles my mind MSI stepping me up to the AI1600T as a replacement. I wonder if they took a gander at my "registed product" history and went "whoa!" including the Vanguard 5090 🤣
But with all things taken into consideration, and the effective death of EVGA, MSI is my favorite and has been for quite awhile.
Again, new cable and Pin 2 runs a smidge lower and Pin 6 a smidge higher. This is across three cables (Corsair 600w native, MSI Tentacle, MSI single run AI1600T) and two PSUs (Corsair SL1000 SFX, MEG AI1600T)
Only causes a bit of separation closer to 600w. I'm going to go ahead and wire the auto shut off interrupt cable and heat sensors because....well....why not?
90 min of FO76:
vs 90 min of WoW Midnight (Harandar Region):
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1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:So, I think I had mentioned that I had an old G.SKILL 8000 CL40 XMP 48GB kit that I could never get to run stable on any Ryzen platform I have tried to use it on. It ran fine at 8400 C38 on Z790 and I just saved it in case I might need it. Well, I got it stable on the Strix. Not at 8000, but 6400 with 1:1 (Gear 1) mode and it runs pretty nice. I might be able to tighten things up a bit more, but the way RAM prices are so stupid right now we have to make do with what we have because we not only cannot afford to waste money on better RAM, finding it to buy it is difficult. The only thing you can buy is overpriced crappy bin quality right now.
Man, your chip is brimming on golden status running 2200/6400 line my 9800X3D. I tried everything I could to get it stable at 2200/6600 but that was a no go. I was asking for a unicorn though.....
I never thought to run tRCDWR so low.... I'll have to give it a whirl.
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On 3/4/2026 at 8:55 AM, Mr. Fox said:
Nice quick guide and one thing I like (and many other hardware w/ software makers could learn) is to allow the ability to completely decouple software from the hardware or at least allow settings to be retained in the hardware and software uninstalled at a minimum.
EVGA installs were minimum and never required them to remain installed with their hardware.
It looks like Asus *might* be learning with their new web based approach to setting up various devices and using them. The Armory Crate backlash may have finally caught up to them.
On 3/4/2026 at 12:00 PM, Papusan said:The old estimate that China and neighboring countries gobble up 1/3 of the Geforce market seems wrong... This needs to be adjusted upwards. Half of the market is probably more correct. China is an major reasons for shortage and hence higher prices globally.
China has once again made its mark, with 54.6% of Steam users coming from there...
Nvidia’s Jensen Huang praises Chinese tech, seeks deeper collaboration in Beijing
NVIDIA releases 3rd driver in a few days... When will we get the 4th?
NVIDIA releases 595.76 hotfix driver addressing OC voltage issues on RTX GPUs
Nice. Nvidia never fixed voltage issues for Maxwell. As you can see... Nvidia have all possibilities to manipulate their hardware with drivers in all ways if needed.
This hotfix addresses the following:- When the graphics card is overclocked, GPU voltage may become capped, preventing it from boosting to expected levels [5934973]
- [Resident Evil Requiem] White glowing light/dots may appear in game when Subsurface Scattering is enabled [5915673]
- Improved path tracing performance in Resident Evil Requiem [5938207]
- [Star Citizen] Game client crashes when launched [5935027]
- Intermittent application crash or driver timeout may be observed when playing multi-key DRM content in a browser on HDCP 1.x monitors [5934450]
Could be that Nvidia continue bet on the gamer market and not only on the more expensive server chips. Great job if this bear fruits and not just are rumors. Anyone that will give Nvidia cred for this? Remember nvidia works damn hard for the gamers...
NVIDIA will create its own Frankenstein to solve the memory crisis: RTX 5070 8GB and RTX 5050 9GB with GDDR7
The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 will return to stores later this month.
No surprise with China. They have over 4x the population size (~1.41billion vs 345million) than the US and continue to advance and grow as a first world, consumer based, high tech market of western proportions at a voracious rate with plenty of disposable income. They are a massive market that continues to grow for consumer goods and products from McDonalds to Nvidia, their citizens want it and companies want to sell it.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Steam Survey continues to skew towards them.
We went through the same thing with Japan ~30 years ago when exports were grossly larger than imports and they were a tech paradise buying up everything. To realign the market like the world did with Japan will take a bit more coordinated effort with China but eventually a certain level of give and take has to be established.
Personally, I've been to China and loved it. I also love all my state side Chinese friends and family. I'd go back in a heartbeat to visit.
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As for the drivers, good to see it was yet another bug. My big takeaway from it all with @Mr. Fox testing is EVC2 can override the limitations placed by Nvidia even if accidentally and If they were to implement such a bogus system, all cards would operate normally, better binned / better voltage models would continue to boost better naturally and only if someone tried to implement a decently sized OC would it then cap you at the knees which is trash. Even 5070 owners were reporting being capped when OC'ing.
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Nvidia will continue to "innovate" by offering tiers of cards and performance while restricting memory as much as possible. Based on their need to redirect memory, the 5050 9GB doesn't make sense but the return of the 3060 (GDDR6), 5060 8GB variants and even a 5070 8GB makes sense for their goals. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 5070ti 12GB suddenly appear.....
consumers low man on the totem pole as always when push comes to shove....
3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:I finally got the Apex and Strix stable with AGESA 1.3.0.0 and 1.3.0.0a but overall it wasn't worth the effort. I am not identifying any benefit whatsoever to having the newer firmware. Performance is slightly lower with the "latest and greatest" cancer... as usual. Cinebench scores are lower and old memory tuning profiles that were stable before were no longer stable. M_ORDERING changes according to @safedisk. ODT values also had to be tweaked for my systems to avoid Karhu and TM5 errors.
I installed the newest beta, but the last two I installed, 2101 and 2004, were problematic for me and I actually had to bump my voltage up by .05v to get them stable-ish. Previously they would boot and perform fine at 1.40 but suddenly i needed 1.45 at 8000 (8200 rated TG sticks) to even get them to post let alone pass any tests.
I ended up rolling back to 2133/6400 settings with 2101 because it just would not stabilize at 8000 and I was getting sporadic crashes in WoW which can be memory sensitive. Long time players know the dreaded "Memory could not be 'read'" error.....
I did notice Asus pulled 2101 completely in favor for 2102 beta for the x870e hero so something must have been off with it.
I also noticed this in the notes for 2102 beta
"2.Provide additional stability margin during high-frequency DDR5 training.
3.Addresses potential boot failures and stability issues observed on certain Ryzen 9000 configurations."I'm going to run 2133/6400 for a bit on 2102 to make sure it is rock solid, then recertify at 8000 again in a few weeks.
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8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:
As best I can tell it does not seem to be clock-blocked for me. My stock default voltage is 1.070V and I was able to use the EVC2 to set a +50mV offset to get it to about 1.125V and the core offset of +190 seems to hold. This was bumping up to just under 800W with a moderate load Vulkan stress test.
The first image is with the EVC2 connected, so HWiNFO64 cannot "see" the WireView. The second image is with the EVC2 USB cable unplugged after applying the voltage offset so that the WireView sensor show data in the OSD. GPU-Z doesn't show much of anything accurately in terms of voltage, power or PerfCap reasons at this point. The second image shows WireView Pro II sensors in RTSS overlay.
Edit 1: the way the new Imgur UI is made totally sucks. Changing to the old style only fixes the look and feel, but not the degraded functionality. Very lame, and the way it is nearly impossible to post direct image links that skip their ugly sucky crap landing page really is super annoying. Seems like every time you find something awesome, some idiot (or group of idiots) find a way to screw it up. I may have to start looking for an alternative that isn't a piece of trash, but I am not sure there is one.
Edit 2: I'm trying Image Chest now. Hopefully it will be what Imgur used to be. Updated images and links.
Thanks for giving it a run with the new drivers! Hmmm, even as you scale up the offset (let's say +250) it still holds that voltage and doesn't drop and/or cap your frequency to 3ghz or lower?
I am going to give Nvidia the benefit of the doubt and say it is a driver bug just like they had with the fan issue previously, but you never know with Nvidia and locking things down instead of admitting potential defeat with this connector.
If this is Nvidia's plan of attack, an EVC2 could prove to be even more valuable for overclockers who want to retain their voltage control if their particular card falls prey to it.
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Well look at @Talon making the TPU and YT news!
TPU: Intel "Bartlett Lake-S" Flagship Appears, Won't Boot on Consumer Motherboards | TechPowerUp
Hopefully more subscribe to your YT channel and get to hear Bill Hader discuss tech! 🤣
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5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:there was a follow-up from Jay in the comments that AB newest version added support for Lightning voltage control, so should be possible to push that limit up further. no idea if hes gonna do a follow-up video on this though...
and no, im not defending that 5k+ USD card LOL
That would definitely help! If, with the 800w and 1000w vBIOS we can just adjust them up manually like with the other Asus 2000w XOC vBIOS (down in this case from 1.15), that rocks.
My main issue now are the new drivers from Nvidia purposefully capping voltages when you overclock.
The problem looks like the newest drivers might override even native vBIOS relaxing. In the OCN forums, someone running the XOC found they suddenly were limited to 1.025 vs ~1.1450
If this and future drivers put a hard lock on voltages based on certain criteria when overclocking regardless of BIOS limits, that is going to suck.
4 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:The petite arson connector will always be the weakest link. Two is better than one, but not as good as none. Two places for disaster to strike. The only way to fix the problem is to get rid of the engineering defect and stop tempting fate. The higher the performance limit goes, the more likely it becomes that disaster will strike. MSI will always be MSI, which is less than ideal. But, I can see the logic in their concern about a $5000+ GPU becoming a financial liability under warranty. If they were intelligent they would have never released the 5090 Lightning because of the defective 12V-2x6 specification standard. They're not intelligent, just dishonest.
@Mr. Fox any chance you can try the new drivers with your EVC2 and a >+190 core offset to see if it keeps your voltages and clocks suppressed even in the face of a hardware control mod? Those running stock vBIOS and try to OC are getting capped when overclocking and even those running the XOC are suddenly neutered down to 1.025 when overclocking.
The good news (?), is if you're not overclocking or doing a mild OC (sub +190), the drivers are decent.
5 hours ago, jaybee83 said:well THAT should be interesting... if theyre ever gonna do a public statement on this, that is. good that the community has surely made a gazillion local copies of that vBios (myself included), so we dont really care about any takedowns 😛
say wut....what was that about? armed robbery or smth? any details available? thats crazy! altho i must say i dont know how i feel about starting a frigging gofundme after a family member was murdered....dunno if its just me but that leaves a bad aftertaste in my mouth....
Yeah, I slurped the 2500w for my collection as soon as it appeared. 🤣
Seems to be her son murdered her and a few others in the same location before officers put him down. Mental health issues.
https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/crime/article314852958.html
He didn't start it. Someone else did to help out with funeral and other costs with a cap. I'm ok with GoFundMe requests but I've seen some truly wacky ones. Heck, you could throw one up for a "need" for a Lightning MSI 5090 or RTX 6000 and Threadripper and attach a need/sob story to it or a Kickstarter about how you want to, "Research AI via daily immersion in simulated battlefields" aka play BF6/COD! 🤣
I always have a soft spot for medical GoFundMe because we shouldn't be in a place in this country where people are routinely driven to bankruptcy or financial straights over medical issues. Seeing a few "big name" hollywood stars who had to start one and digging into the hundreds of thousands of dollars they had to spend if not millions for medical treatments is a pretty disgusting statement on the state of our healthcare system in this country while big pharma and insurance companies continue to rake in the profits.
On a personal note, I have a very close family member that is having to rip through whatever they have for medical treatments for a variety of ailments that in any other country would be covered and that's with insurance here in the US. It's pretty disgusting.
The fact we are one of the few, if only, first world countries without universal health care is pathetic.
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20 hours ago, Papusan said:
Avoid buy anything from Silicon Power. Greed is god.
Silicon Power allegedly deducted 15% from refund after DDR4 memory RMA
According to the user, the kit was purchased for $54.97 and Silicon Power’s message listed a refund of $46.72. That difference matches a 15% deduction from the original purchase price. The user also claims the same kit now lists for $140.97, which would make the refund insufficient to buy a...
Soon one mill views 🙂 Not bad. Clearly popular topic.
I don't know what's more insulting....
Not sending a replacement set which they do have in stock but it now costs almost 3x as much or having the balls to deduct 15% from the refund for the original cost because of use depreciation when in actuality the items valuation depreciation actually increased over two fold.....
In this situation, you either offer a product replacement equal or better than sent in for repair. You don't offer a refund because the replacement set is now worth so much more and you DEFINITELY don't then have the cojones to lop off 15% use depreciation. That is absurdly greedy on a gobsmackingly large scale.
Not that Silicon Power was ever really on my list except besides a few freebies tossed my way for evaluation, but they will never be on my list to buy pretty much anything. 😠
2 hours ago, Rage Set said:See how Frame Chasers shouldn't have even attempted any mods...HE killed the card when he added the second 12vhpwr connector and that melted holes in the PCB. LMAO. Yet, people pay this guy for his expert overclocking/binning 'abilities'?
Heh heh, what I liked most was him flat out saying he won't be soldering on another connector for him. Makes me think Dufus asked if he could also add another connector with the repair and was told, "nah bruh." 🤣
Ended on a sad note, though. His sister was murdered in Washington State. 😞
It was good to see the large outpouring of support though via his sister's gofundme and messaging. ♥️
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New Xpac, new central city, same ole performance hit via CPU bottlenecking my 5090 in WoW due to player physics on what is basically still a single threaded engine.....
4k Ultra + RT everything on max.
This is before the actual launch. This is early access. When the floodgates open up tomorrow, expect performance to tank even more....
I'm not sure what Blizzard did with the pre-xpac launch patch, but performance suddenly tanked in the previous Xpac in the main city Dornogal and it looks like it will most likely carry over into the new Xpac.
RAM memory usage is off the charts now..... ~28GB allocated....
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MSI Lightning officially listed at my local MC for $5090
Or grab yourself an RTX 6000 for $9500.....
On a budget?
Snag a Gigabyte Gaming OC 5090 for the low low price of $3500....
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12 hours ago, Reciever said:
If you think about it from the inside out there is no reason to bin anything at all for quality considering the current market forces in play.
I'm sure the cynical outlook might be that they are binning server gpu's and we get the left overs. I doubt they are binning anything at all for any interested party since the demand is so fierce and prices making all the shareholders quite happy.
I was thoroughly surprised to see that my 3090ti was numbered and also tested for its clock speed which was written on the frame of the GPU die (#1479 and 2055 if memory serves). I'd be lying if I didn't entertain selling the thing an extra 1200-1300 is a fair bit of spending money. Decided against it, plenty of uses for a 3090ti. Pretty happy that I was able to find an unused ek-wb for it they should pair up nicely someday.
EVGA always made sure their top tier chips hit certain boost goals and would hand number their chips and clocks for verification.
The 3090ti, like the 3090, came in different classifications with different certified boost clocks certified. Anything more than that was up to the silicon lottery.
I loved how the EVGA KPE 3090ti was built along with the FTW 3090ti Ultra which I had picked up May 2022 and returned to Amazon because it was $2199 on launch and not worth it in any way, shape or form but it was a beautifully built card and solid as a tank and ran very cool.
Crazy so see even 3090/3090ti prices are some crazy upswings.
Bodes well for 4090 owners and 5090 owners for resell value even more but sheesh.
2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:Quake II RTX - silky smooth on Linux at 5120x2160. Had to lower my power limit with LACT to 500W because the shunted 5090 with the 800W Matrix vBIOS was making the WireView Pro II scream like a stuck pig. My UPS also started squealing because it exceeds its 1500W capacity.
lol, what were the pin out readings on the WVP2 when it was >1500w?
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Jay disappointed in the Lightning.....and also experiencing the disappointment of a 1000w BIOS meets a 1.030v bin......
1.030v stock
1.045v maxed
Crashes at 3200
Locks at +300 slider
Remember last year when I kept saying voltage and stock voltage was important early on here and over on the OCN forums?
As we've seen, they go hand in hand especially now that all these 800w/1000w/1200w/2000w BIOS are in the wild.
The fact MSI didn't even bin the chips for voltage to at least complement the 800w/1000w BIOS files for normies is crazy.
If you're needing EVC2 for a $5500 card after tax to try to even attempt to get your 800/1000w where it needs to be, something is wrong.
I'm fine with most FE cards being the baseline for its price and they can afford to be trash voltage bins for the most part, but $5500? Fail MSI. Fail.
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*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D
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Yeah, I continue to look and it will take something major to pry this free Alienware 18 out of my hands because it runs so quiet and only comes to life under gaming/heavy loads and even then it is quieter than the previous MSI.
I was wondering how the newer Raider did under load conditions and when pressed. How were the CPU/GPU temps? Memory temps look absolutely dismal. I'm sure under those conditions it was extremely loud. On paper, it looks ideal with a 285hx, 5090, 1600p but if it uses anything close to the same fans as the previous iteration.....yikes.
You know they always say couples who WoW together......Does the media center have it on display to see or is it hidden away behind a panel?
I contemplated picking up the Midnight darker edition for a build out they look so cool for the wife who immediately loved the darker version for her case. She passed her 5 year anniversary back in September (she started playing during the pandemic out of sheer boredom) playing WoW and is officially more hardcore than I am. She routinely clears ALL the content weekly and that is with working a full time job too. Weekends she is locked into Azzeroth with laser focus lol...she gets up before I do, so I make her cafe con leche the night before and place it on her timer warming pad so she's able to get up and rock and roll the Saturday and Sunday mornings...