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It doesn't really matter in the quest for Multithreaded scores/benchmarking. A score is a score is a score. If 1 P-core and 23 E-cores swoop in and take the record of fastest CPU for multithreaded consumer level workloads, so be it. 🙂 Falk also uses an AIO. So AIO, not delidded vs Mora + delid. Bin will only get you so far depending on what you seek. slightly sub ~10% uplift on P-cores is nothing to scoff at. I personally think eliminating HT will pay dividends long term but that remains to be seen. I do agree E-cores got the majority of the love this time around vs P-cores. It is a tinkerer's chip IMHO. Again, Rocketlake 2.0. For those questing for monster multi scores, there is a lot to like with it and room to grow. For gamers? I'm cautiously optimistic considering how 14th with refinements and APO was able to pull ahead of X3D quite comfortably in lows and smoothness of play. Now we're starting to see some good stuff. This is why I didn't just dump all over it and call it a wrap. I wanted to and will continue to watch the OC'ers start to learn their way around it and start extracting real results as BIOS/Windows updates/MC/Drivers slowly work their magic on what is a brand new chip architecture. It can only go up from here. I hope I don't pull an 11th and talk about how I'm gonna wait and see then suddenly a few days later show up on this thread like over on NBR with an MSI z590 board and a shiny new 11700k to play with. 🤣

Might come down to cooling and skill too. Is Falk's delidded? As always, gear, silicon lottery always in play but what we DO know this early on is 50k is achievable on a non chiller nor DD depending on chip quality. Imagine these CPUs fully opened up delidded, DD, chilled and with continual incoming BIOS refinements.

Looking at Sugi's numbers, 285k is hitting 50k in CB23 already basically out of the block with some tweaks. Delidded but not even on DD yet and using a Mora 420 not even a chiller. Not to shabby! That single core score is pretty beastly too! Unfortunately it's gaming prowess is going to be a game to game thing and things are not looking good atm overall. For me, I think I'm going to sit back a smidge (same as I did for 13th and 14th) and watch and wait before I do anything.....why? I spent a week+ swapping back and forth between my 7950X3D rig and 14900KS rig playing a crap ton of WoW and the 14900KS @ 5.9 all core, 8200 tuned w/ APO was just superior in every way especially with the lows and smooth game play. Any and all occasional chunk I would hit (I'll begrudgingly admit it might be a bit of "dip") with the 7950X3D was just gone with the end game 14900KS setup. Having logged 30hrs+ on each setup running the same raids/questing/PvP, the 14900KS once tuned across the board is the superior answer. I would swap my 4090 back and forth with a clean install of 24H2 running the same raids and TWW outdoor content and the fluidity and game play was just superior on the 14900KS. That is why I sold off the 7950X3D and X670E Carbon. I can't envision the 9800X3D or 9950X3D providing this as smooth of a gaming experience in WoW but I'm always open to change. 🙂 I am to a point now, playing WoW, where I say back last night and just went, "I don't see why I need a 5090 or a CPU upgrade," and that has never happened in tandem. If I do buy a 5090, it is just pure leisurely fun. After I finish selling off the rest of some of this gear (we're in the homestretch!), if I pick up a 285 setup, again, it will be for pure tweaking and optimizing fun. If somehow it can bring the pain for WoW, I would as mentioned before just swap it into the wife's system and run the 285 as my main. I agree. Seeing Sugi's numbers this early on with what is a good CPU (His SP=91, for example Debauer was using an SP=75), I think this is going to be a tweakers paradise chip especially with DLVR disabled and switching more to a normal approach for overclocking. Memory is coming out of the gate hitting nicely too. It is Rocketlake 2.0 in what I feel is an ok way.

I figure things can only go up from ground zero launch as the kinks are worked out. Alderlake launch was just such a monster improvement over 10th and 11th even from launch maybe we were expecting too much. 😞 11th gen all over? Ugh, let's hope not I say this having enjoyed 11th gen tinkering. I probably binned more 11900k's than any other chip lol. Definitely looking forward to your 285 work @Talon.

Probably, but I'll wait for the final data moreso in games than CB23 especially early memory results and room for growth.

I'm waiting for the real deal..... BRING ON THE 285! 🙂

Yeah, I'm still waiting but I sold off my 7950X3D and MSI x670E Carbon to open up a "what if" slot for a 285 if I like what I see. Still have the 7600x/Prime B650/6000 Mdie 2x16GB combo to sell off. Right now: If 285 is a go, sell off the rest of my 12th/13th/DDR4 stuff, move my Asrock Z790i+14900KS into the wife's system. Pick up a Z890+285 for my main rig. If 285 is a no go, ride the 14900KS till next gen (Zen6/16th gen).

Good to know a variation of ye ole Nintendo Cartridge boot process is still alive and well..... 🤣 Oh man, this thread would have been filled with some serious fire and brimstone from you if you made that purchase! Ugh, this is NOT what we wanted if you enabled DLVR. Personally, I think this is part of a knee jerk response to the whole 13th/14th response and over compensation to make sure there are no more vmin shifts, mc code problems and other issues. Ugh..... Remember when 13th dropped and the new battle cry was, "memory OC is the new Meta?"....Prophetic....

I've got it queued up to take a looksy later. I spent the bulk of last night pulling my AMD hardware and switching my main rig to the SP109 14900KS setup. 5.9 all core and Intel APO w/ World of Warcraft is just a game changer versus the 7950X3D on the 4090. EDIT: Just watched it. It will be interesting swapping back and forth between your 3175 and 13900ks systems with the 4090 and various games to see what you get across many scenarios/locations.

So what is your main rig now that you sold off your SP108 and traded Apex+8200 kit and some other goodies?

Yup, I've been saying it since mid Summer! 🙂 Enhancements everywhere but performance. Hopefully it will pay dividends for 16th. My big issue is 15th gen still looks to run pretty hot and heavy and that's without HT if some of those "unlocked" MSI slides are valid which I would tend to think they are. Me thinks a little bit of removing HT was because it would run just as hot and heavy, if not more, than 14th.

Jufus predicting 285k is DOA for gamers and basically Rocketlake 2.0 (which I had already claimed lol):

Maybe they tested some of that "secret sauce" in the Asrock Z790i Lightning since it is a beast for a really good price.

Whoa.... I just don't see how this can be possible for a consumer level card, but Nvidia is all about AI atm and with AMD bringing absolutely nothing to the table next round to compete, maybe Nvidia figures why not? Worse case scenario, those will just go to the AI sector for even more $$$. If that is the new pricing going forward for the flagship/halo product, that has effectively priced me out and I will ride the 4090 for another generation and adjust down accordingly in the future. I still say the 5090 will be $1999 starting and even that now seems crazy priced but if the 5080 is roughly half its price for $999 and can still trade blows with a 4090.....

This and the last microcode updates seem to have fixed a lot of SA/memory issues down the stack. My previous 12400 which topped out at 3333 now runs 3600 no problem on DDR4. I was updating the 12400 box for resale/listing on fleabay and on a whim just decided to set it to 3600 to see if it yet again would black screen and boom, it boots and passed TM5 90 min no problem. Also Finally got around to installing the new microcode/BIOS on the Z790i Lightning and recertifying everything. CB23 newest BIOS = 35k. Just retesting my 8200 and 8400 profiles first then go back in and fine tune some OC/clock profiles to see where it lands.

Agreed. I am still holding out to see what Intel brings to the plate, but it will have to be something meaningful. I had fun with 11th but a lot of it was the iterative rehash of skylake that had dragged on for far too long (6th->10th) and it was something new and different. I don't know if I have the $$$ and patience this time to do it all over again for minor gains. Then again, I'm not expecting a barn burner from 9000X3D either but I could be pleasantly surprised on both fronts. I'm slowly starting to list and divest myself of a lot of my hardware. Just too much laying around and I'm not doing backflips for the next gen. Listed a few systems already. Got a few more in the weeds to list. Listed my 7900xtx for $725 shipped ($800 on fleabay soon). Up next is my golden 4090 for $1850 ($1950 on fleabay soon). Like I said, whichever one sells, I'll ride out the other. Might list my 7950X3D and ride my 14900KS to 9950X3D. Still have some 12900k chips to list and a few laptops. Just nothing is exciting me atm. I think I might be a bit.....bored? 🤣

I'm still going to wait to see it in the hands of those who know what they're doing before passing judgement. 14th gen has had the luxury of almost two years of tuning under its belt. And I have yet to see day one reviewers get anywhere close to what the OC community achieves within even just a few days let alone a few weeks or a month. We're either going to see a 10th->11th gen scenario (Not much of an uplift overall in games and in general but still there) or we're going to see an 11th->12th gen scenario (massive uplift once tuned). My biggest concern is if this socket is a stopgap one off to Intel's real deal for 16th gen. Something like this where 10th->11th was marginal but 11th to 12th was massive:

It is a known issue with the Red Devil 7900XTXs and they sometimes seem to even have issues again after a repaste on the hot spot. Best solution is PTM 7950. It seems to address the hot spot issue and re-occuring issues. I have not seen that issue on my Powercolor Hellhound 7900XTX. Hot spot temps top out in the 80s and that's with the stock factory stuff.

I'll believe it when I see it, but serious fingers crossed over here. 🙂

Good things happening for good people. That's awesome @Reciever! Red Devil really is a good card. Like I said before, top 3 design IMHO (Red Devil, Sapphire, Asrock) and a killer price to boot! Team Red meets every Thursday at the local Dennys. 🙂

It's about time for the fall hardware liquidation. I opened back up my ebay store and I plan to start listing items this week, but I'll be listing some items on the forums too. I think I'm going to sell off my 4090 or 7900xtx along with my NH55 along with the 12400 desktop, 7600x desktop and oodles of little parts here and there along with a couple of 12900k chips, some sodimm kits and maybe some other parts as I dig through my shelves and closet. If anyone is interested on our little cozy thread first, let me know

Ack! True story....my 8 year old nephew has decided he will only wear crocs and has been wearing them for over a year now.... ....he has been banished. 😂 (True story on the crocs, a bit of hyperbole on the banished part 🤣)

Didn't you know? Regular consumers are all about power efficiency and since Apple and their Mx architecture is all about big/little cores....... ((Insert eyeroll HERE)) These full on bifurcated (Intel) and partially bifurcated (AMD) designs give me angina....

I'm going to wait for some early reviews and @Talon to see the day one assessment and get some early benchmarks. If I like what I see, I'm going to either pick up a 285k and bin a few OR I'm going to wait on the 9950X3D (January ETA launch) and spend a few months watching the bins sort themselves out on the 285k. I completely skipped binning 14th and basically snatched up that SP115 13900KS for awhile so the last time I did the "binning shuffle" was 12th gen. We'll also have some early data too on the 9800X3D which is rumored to launch this month too as it will be in the same ballpark as the 9950X3D to compare against the 285k and get a general idea.