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AMD was always anti-consumer (as most Corporations are by nature profits > consumers), it just wasn't as egregious as Nvidia's transgressions so many flew under the radar. I guess the idea here is FSR is available on all hardware while DLSS is not so Nvidia needs to get with the program and make DLSS on a certain level available on AMD hardware like they did (kinda) with G-sync once Freesync was made available by AMD. FSR is continuing to make improvements but still isn't on DLSS's level.

The 4060ti is a good, quality card that many gamers could and should use as their gaming GPU.....for $299.99

I am happy and thankful the spirit of NBR carried on over here. It has become my first stop of the day usually over a cup of tea. The Fantastech is exactly what I'm banking on too. I noticed the model of 6750xt I'm targeting (this MSI) is already $319.99 and has Fantastech price protection in place already but I have to wait till the 11th to buy it to match the promo with it. I'm expecting the 6750xt to most likely be ~$279.99-$299.99 for the Fantastech event. Toss in a free ~$70-80 game code for the premium edition and it becomes an easy pick up for me. The good news is it looks like this promo runs through September for Starfield so if I miss it this time around I will have to watch and wait for another sale to pick up another one. 6950xt at 1080 144hz for you will be almost a lock for most games.

I just went and checked the BIOS releases and the last two specifically target and address AMD EXPO issues so that most likely fixed your issue and problem: Hopefully that works for you. I will probably update just to see if any other changes or improvements are introduced.

4060ti is just garbage at $400. 8% faster at 1080p and 5% faster at 1440p on average across 50 titles vs 3060ti (and actually slower in a few titles due to memory bandwidth) Only two Nvidia cards that are worthy are the 4090 (by far the best even at that cost) and the 4070 (distant second). Everything else is hot priced garbage but seeing the 4080 actually go on sale briefly at $999 is a little light at the end of the tunnel. I'm definitely locked into a 6750xt for the sff build (I'm sure this 13900ks is going to scoff at that GPU choice even at 1080p 🙂 ) as long as the price holds at ~319.99 or lower in a few days especially when the Starfield promo kicks off and Prime Days / Newegg specials kick off. Maybe the perfect storm to land a killer priced GPU with promo included.

After much research and internal debate, I decided to go with a 6750xt as my SFF card. The HYTE Revolt 3 I picked up (it arrived yesterday) has a built in 700w PSU leaving a nice, ample power window for the GPU of ~350-400w. Plus the price and 12GB of VRAM sealed the deal over the 4060/4060ti which I just can't in good faith pick up. 6750xt will be more than enough to drive 144hz 1080p on this 22" portable display (also received, tested and a killer open box deal for $80!). As luck would have it, AMD will be bundling Starfield with it (which I had planned on picking up anyhow) and the premium edition at that starting in three days (11.07.23) https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-starfield-bundle-starts-on-july-11th-will-include-ryzen-7000-cpus-and-radeon-rx-6600-gpus

What were you running before? I just checked and I'm running 1.74 so I'll check out the changes. I don't recall seeing the memory restore function either. I'll check before I potentially update. Hopefully one of the subsequent revisions has addressed a boot/hang issue with Samsung modules!

Whew, that's a pick 'em choice right there. You lose a bit in productivity in exchange for a bit of gaming performance increase (~6-10% performance vs ~8-12% in some games). If that was my criteria, I would pick the 7950X3D. Best of both worlds unless time really is money to that degree that a few hundred Mhz is a deal breaker especially with the current pricing of $557 for the 7950X3D making it cheaper than the 7950x at this moment. If I hadn't picked up this SP115 13900KS to build out my sff travel system, I would have grabbed a 7950X3D for that price and built out the sff rig around the 7800X3D instead and popped that 7950X3D in my main rig. I'm subscribing to the, "better to have it and not need it" school of thinking in regards to X3D. If I was going to overclock outside of PBO and really want to push as much as I could on lets say an older BIOS revision pre 1.3v SOC lock, I would grab the 7950x If the 7950x drops to sub $500 then it really becomes even more difficult again to pick either one. You really can't go wrong with either chip. They're both great.

You know there are going to be Asus Fanbois who are going to pay those prices for those. I do have some mild interest in their 4090 Matrix though. As for the 13900ks.... $890USD + S&H? Mmmmkay. Decent SP though but still.

You know I tagged you in on that post earlier in this thread right?

@tps3443 did you see this post over on the OCN in regards to your hunt for another 13900ks?

True, if @Raiderman has a local MC, he can cut out a lot of the legwork right then and there.

The 7000 series by design is optimal around 6000 but some golden IMCs can do 6400-6600. tRFC on M-die does tend to cap around 400-450 albeit my best set of M-die's do 384. tCKE can do close to zero on AMD. Every kit of M-die topped out at CL30-36-36 1.4v @ 6000 SR while these A-die do 6000 28-35-35. My current AMD timings on A-die (I'm going to go back in and re-test TRFC): Unfortunately this isn't true anymore as I saw a kit of G.skill 7200 M-die's from G.skill for sale a few weeks back which completely upended my range game. Some may be able to as I know my G.Skill M-die 6400 kit can boot to 7200 but error out on TM5. @Raiderman I would suggest following @Mr. Fox advice and maybe get a kit of TeamGroup so you can lock in the Hynix component of the equation. My best set of M-die's ( 2x16GB pair I bought last year with third party aRGB heatsinks) are sitting in the drawer at the moment. I ran those for weeks on my 7800X3D both last set of BIOSes no problem before upgrading to 64GB A-die. They are dialed in and tested at 6000 with a sheet of custom timings. If for some reason the set you order still fail or still get that A6 hang let me know as these are rock solid with no issues on my X670E Carbon. If my set hangs then you will definitely know it is your motherboard or issue elsewhere not the memory.

I've been looking but I haven't found anything that associates Hynix memory for AMD with AMD Expo qualifications. It is just their version of XMP. It really is a crap shoot which brand will be under the hood unless you track down a known, good used set of sticks in regards to maker. Lucky with AMD 7000 series, M-die is as good as A-die for us frequency wise as AMD gives up the ghost even on a top bin IMC around 6400-6600 and usually settles in around 6000-6200 on SR sticks. DR sticks can sometimes be problematic >5600. At least Newegg and Amazon have good return policies if needed in case you end up with Samsung.

@win32asmguy So i finally got a chance to delid that binned 12900k and you can see now why it ran so hot in the face of superior V/F curve at 4.2 even against my cool hand luke which was still pulling a touch more but running much cooler on the desktop and laptop capped equally. Having tested ~6 12900k's and one 12900KS chips, yours just flew in the face of, "why is it pulling so low yet running so warm even capped at 140w and/or UV -.100 on the desktop even with a full 360mm AIO??" I think it is a case of a great low range V/F chip that had a terrible stim job. In this pic the STIM is grossly evenly distributed and I've never seen whole areas missing before especially with those odd patches looking this bad compared to other delid's I've done. First glance at the STIM pattern (especially around the edges of the die) left me going, "ahhhh there we go..." We'll see how it does after a proper clean up and relid.

In regards to the USB issues absolutely reasonable to focus the blame on AMD. I do know @Mr. Fox was having other issues with his Asus board though in conjunction with the AMD USB issues. My MSI had the USB issue. His Asus had the issue and my brother's Gigabyte B550 has the issue. I ended up just getting a USB PCIe card to circumvent it for his system as he wasn't willing to go through a MB swap.

Same with my X570 MSI Tomahawk. That USB issue was a deal breaker. Your adventures into the 5950x were something to behold to put it mildly.... It was definitely a bit of both.

I can usually dial in some issue or issues I've had on just about every motherboard (just comes with the territory), but there's nothing I can really complain about with the MSI X670E Carbon. Only issue I had was with Samsung DDR5 modules just acting completely inconsistent. I'm not alone though as it seems to be a problem with many across several brands of AMD AM5 boards. Hynix just works as intended. That's a nice bit of overkill in the best way. 🙂 I did the same thing with my MSI X670E board on Amazon and it was brand new except missing the original box. I still have my eye on a Taichi 7900 XTX though (especially returning the 4090 FE opens up a future budget slot). Are you still getting hang on restarts with Hynix modules? I had problems with Samsung modules but it has been smooth sailing with these M-die sets and no hangs.

I've had over 10+ EVGA power supplies including a few 1300 and 1600 models and I've never had anyone of them fail on me. I can't say the same for Corsair or Silverstone. It was a failed 2nd Silverstone out of the box that led me to EVGA years ago actually. With their new direction and nerfed warranty I will not auto purchase from EVGA anymore but I will still consider them. As for their motherboards, I've always loved them. If the Z790 series is their last (seeing as Vince and the BIOS team are leaving) it was a heck of a run. Like I mentioned before, I've kinda shifted to MSI now with Asus a close second. MSI doesn't perform as well out of the box and tends to over juice their CPUs but with tuning it produces the same results as Asus for me.

I am starting to think about a good wireless KB/M combo for my ever slowly developing travel SFF. I want to minimize wiring as much as possible down to the display DP connect and PSU adapter and power cord. Everything will be wireless (Headphones, KB and M). Priorities are response, size and price (IE Best gaming keyboard, smallest size and wireless along with mouse).

SFF buildout update (and some 8000 module testing on the Z790i and Asus Z790 Hero): Since I went with this 22" display for travel I finally returned the still new and sealed 4090 FE last week as I don't need all that power for 1080p 144hz gaming. I had picked up the 22" display open box for $80. Now I will either just use my daughter's Asus 3070 KO in there when traveling or wait to pick up a dirt cheap 6700xt/6750xt or even a well priced 4060ti for the outstanding thermals and pull. I am just looking for the best GPU at the best price (new or used) that can do 144hz near locked at 1080p at the lowest pull/thermals. I returned the N200R and ordered THIS Hyte Revolt 3 w/ 700w PSU SFF for what is a great price. I love the much better air flow and handle on top. Since I'm not using a 4090 in there but something much less powerful that gets me a near locked 1080p 144hz experience in WoW, Diablo IV and Fallout 76 max settings. I'm going to give the 3070 a testing day on that 22" display in the test rig with the Z790i setup to see what dials it in fps wise and adjust from there. I've been testing these M-dies and while the G.Fail's will boot up to 7200 they are actually only truly stable at 6400. At 6600+ they will hang with a yellow DRAM light half the time no matter what I do. This is the same set I had to get a replacement for another set. I can't blame G.Skill though as they DO perform as advertised at 6400 (passed TM5, WMD and Memtest86) but they are terrible overclockers and since G.skill is selling M-die sticks for kits rated from 6000 up to 7200 now it would make sense for them to bin as much as possible for proper placement and profit. The other M-dies which the seller from last year told me topped out at 6800 and then topped out at 6800 on my Z690 Unify when I had it also topped out at 6800 on the Z790i Edge so I can confirm that yes, their max is 6800. 🙂 They boot consistently. Looking at benchmarks for DDR5, the difference between 6400-8000 isn't as massive as I thought. 5-10fps max. -------------------- I had a chance to test out a pair of GEIL 8000 sticks on the Z790i Edge board while helping another buddy in central NJ with his system. I wanted to see if they would boot at 8000 in case I want to get better memory down the road and they did and 8200 but that was it so I know if I pick up a pair of 8000 rated DDR5 sticks my Z790i and 13900ks are good to go. They wouldn't make it past post with an orange light of DRAM fail >8200 with some QnD testing. Maybe with time and work they would have went higher but the objective was to get his 13700k + Z790 Hero up and running as he was having problems (and we need him for our Fallout 76 daily ops team lol). Clear and obvious problem was a slightly bent CPU socket pin that took about 60 seconds to straighten out. (He could neither confirm nor deny if the pin was bent when installing the CPU.....wink wink). Swapping components back and forth his 13700k IMC topped out at 7200 (barf) and Hero at 7600 (more 4 slot barf). 🤣 This was testing on those GEIL 2x16GB modules across both systems. Basically: My 13900KS + Z790i Edge + Gell 8000 = 8200 max post My 13900KS + Z790 Hero + Geil 8000 = 7600 max post 13700k + Z790i Edge + Geil 8000 = 7200 max post 13700k + Z790 Hero + Geil 8000 = 7200 max post He might return it since Asus officially claims it supports 7800+ and try to get an Apex or switch to another 2 slot MB. I told him if you're not going to upgrade to a 13900k and you don't care about the refresh you could pick from many much cheaper Z790 and Z690 boards (even B760) and extract the same amount of performance out of that 13700k. Might as well return those almost $300 sticks too and go with much cheaper sticks and end up overall saving ~$500. I told him I'd come back up and help him rebuild everything next time. FYI, he's coming from a 7700k and 1070 just retired a few weeks ago and upgrade to the above and and a 4070 FE and upgraded his 24" 60hz 1080p to a 27" 1440p 165hz display. Fallout 76 already had him banging his head off the wall performance wise but Diablo IV was the deal breaker as it ran like garbage. He is in for a major gaming upgrade but I feel like the Z790 Hero and those Geil sticks are wasted around that 13700k with the meh IMC.

Absolutely insane end game custom water cooled 7800X3D/4090 ITX build in a 10L Formd T1 V2 (note the garbage ichill 4090 pulling 30-40 more watts than the FE 4090 for the same performance):

Second 13900k or is this your first? What is the ratio to CM adapters melting versus original adapters? lol, "stable enough" exactly. I grow weary of those who want you to pound your hardware to the red line hours on end to prove some mythical level of stability that transcends your own daily needs. Do you tend to spill on your keyboards? 🙂

I figured "shots fired" from Acer when they offered that Intel Arc A770 Bifrost which is a slick and different design. Now they're bringing this? Hopefully the Predator line continues to grow and become something serious and powerful. Remember this monster beauty too from 6 years ago:

There have been plenty of cases where the plug was fully seated and fused/melted to the connector. While every brand has been susceptible, the most common combo is Asus + CableMod. I haven't had even a lick of problems with my MSI Suprim Liquid X using the stock cable. All it took was that initial CM cable to start shutting off on its own >300w to sour me on them. I don't need aesthetics that badly. They sent me a brand new 4 position EVGA -> 12vhpwr cable and it is sitting in the drawer brand new. I'm loathe to even take a chance because I know statistically speaking I will never land another 4090 like this one again just on the new 1.07v nerf alone to all models shipping now never mind 2820-2835 OOB boosting and 3120-3160 OC boosting on stock BIOS and stock AIO cooling and near zero coil whine along with >=+1600 on the memory. It literally checked all my "pretty please" boxes right out of the box. Just imagine this on the HOF BIOS and chilled water.