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Nice! Now let's see how it compares to your other monster see if it can handle some of those settings. 🙂

Confirmed. I even tried my old 11900k in my X170SM-G w/ the newest and final Prema and it was a no go.

Nvidia has found the consumer spending limit for certain tiered products. I do wonder what the scenario would look like without AMD and their 7900xt/xtx on the horizon. Nvidia is still king but AMD has made huge strides with RDNA and RDNA2. If everything progresses as it should, Nvidia will eventually have to start adjusting like Intel has to now with AMD and their CPUs.

My wife had been complaining that playing wow it would get "chunky" in spots. I went in there to run her toon through some 5 players and raids for the free loot give away during the next few weeks and it would be fine one moment then frame drop then fine. I spent today running all types of tests and everything pointed to the GPU or PSU so I loaded up TSE to loop and not 20 seconds in the red light on the PCIE lead came on. Shut everything down, cut the power, reboot run it again and...red light then another red light. Crack open her case and I had forgotten I had put a 700w Zalman PSU in there when she used to run a 3060 then 3070. I had also flipped her card from Q mode to P mode a few weeks back. That poor PSU! 😅 It tried to hang in there as long as it could before it started giving up the ghost. GPU-Z showed total board draw at ~315w max. Popped my Seasonic 1000w in there. No more red lights and total board draw is ~380w now and no more sporadic "chunk" (as she called it). That poor Zalman....lol.

I don't think anyone is surprised at Nvidia continuing to grossly put shareholders over consumers even when it is blatant and priced ridiculously. Jensen is all over PandoCryptoPricing (PCP) like me and Reese Cups. 😁 Hopefully the dismal 4080 sales continue instead of higher end GPU buyers feeling painted into a corner to buy that flaming turd. AMD may provide much relief and even some buyers jumping ship. I returned 1x 11900k and 2x 12900k chips to them no problem but in my defense I buy a crap ton of stuff from them yearly for myself, family, friends and clients. If you haven't returned many items lately, you should have no problems buying a CPU, trying it and then returning it. Buying multiples? You may trip their system and they WILL warn you at the counter or refuse returns.

Yep, looks about right. I have the KPE 3090ti 360 AIO up top because that puppy generates crazy heat. With my original KPE 3090 I ran it in the front and EVGA CLC 360 in the side with exhaust up top and the heat generation was savage. Fantastic for the KPE 3090, not so great for the internals and CPU. As soon as I switched to a top exhaust and moved the CPU 420 to the front temps improved drastically (as expected). If I move back to an EVGA CLC 360 I am going to mount it on the back vertical and have both it and the KPE 3090ti continue to exhaust and have intakes on the front and bottom and run some tests with anbd without a rear exhaust. I'd prefer fresh air in and heated air dual exhausting from the CPU/GPU.

Ditto I'm losing steam real quick. I've lost my zest for even a 13900k and I sold my BNIB Classified Z690. I listed my KPE 3090ti at a, "Price i'm willing to sell" point (~$1950) but if it doesn't sell *shoulder shrug*. I have completely lost interest in the 4090 and the only thing that has me curious is a 7900XTX atm on the higher end but if I end up riding out my 3090ti I'm am more than fine with that. I have contemplated selling off my Strix D4 + mem and swap in a KP Z690 bundle since I still have this set of 2x16GB A die heatsinked DDR5 modules on the shelf to play with. Right now, I have a used 12400 coming in and I'm picking through some budget (sub $100) boards along with all the other components on hand to build out another PC I am going to equip with my A380 to set up for my daughter. That's the next plan of attack for myself. I have both a mATX/itx and full ATX case on hand. Still haven't had a chance to test the A770 @Mr. Fox sorry.

Best way to document a product working / existing before shipping is to print out the packing invoice and include it in the screen shot showing the actual sale. Claiming defective is the battle cry when someone buys the wrong part / is incompetent to trouble shoot properly. I've taken a couple of returns on a few items that were claimed to be broken or not working and they worked just fine. Most recent was my set of G.Skill 4x8GB b-die sticks. I took them back (what's the use in most cases in not doing it? eBay is going to decide in their favor or their CC will), tested them, showed him they were working. I then asked about his setup. Told him his motherboard is not QVL certified for this memory and helped point him in the right direction. He ended up leaving me positive feedback and PayPal'd me directly all my costs incurred along with an apology. You can blame eBay, but in any other situation as a seller on any other platform, buyers would have nearly the same power of return if not more especially with a real credit card backing it up. Hopefully it comes back in the same shape it was sent and the buyer just doesn't know what he's doing.

I learned my lesson a long time ago with International sales and eBay. Absolutely zero protection and you are at the mercy of the other country's consumer laws which routinely rule in their favor. Once I had two items go "missing" one arrived "damage" and another user open a PayPal case to return a CPU after over 6 months of use and WIN from Australia, I swore off International anything with eBay and even P2P except for wire transfers or selling to known associates. I have people message and asked about International sales and I simply tell them I do not do it anymore because of rampant fraud with zero checksum systems in place to counter it. I am sure the bulk of International buyers are on the up and up but the International loopholes and frequent conflict of country consumer laws has me giving it a big thumbs down. On the other hand, the new eBay buyer/seller systems make it much harder to scam as a seller and give eBay much more control to weed out shady buyers but even then if given a choice I'd prefer to sell to known associates or F2F.

Having sold on eBay for over 20 years across multiple accounts, I can absolutely guarantee the feedback for buyers is incredibly low overall even when you drop a little note in their package. With eBay now refreshing feedback yearly in regards to rating (but still showing total lifetime feedback for the account), feedback can make or break you quickly. As for the seller, he has one negative in the last 6 months with 238 PS5 sales dating back to over a year yet his feedback from those sales is a fraction of the actual sell rate. He clearly locks in on markup able items and sells them and has locked in on 4090 FE cards. My main point is the sell through rate of his cards at the 2200-2300 price point as an example of the much lower demand overall vs the Pandcrypto boom where those cards would have went for much more and sold much quicker. It is also no coincidence he upped his inventory count by a few yesterday to coincide with Best Buy's mini drop of cards which included some 4080's and a few 4090's FE included. He finally sold out today.

Such a sick deal. I tried every way to justify picking this up lol. I even tried to justify it by wanting to go water! This was such a fantastic deal in every aspect. Congrats @1610ftw!

Exactly, more legislation will not fix the problem. Scalping is as old as time (for us older generation I can remember buying scalped tickets to a few concerts back in the day). Speculation time: /* I think some of these scalpers are loading up knowing the return window is extended now to Jan 2023 for the Holidays. I would be curious to see how the "restock" goes in mid to late January if a lot of these GPUs bought to scalp do not sell and scalpers return them in droves. */ I keep trying to touch on the newness of the 4000 series, initial rush of sales and the market calming down as a part of each *normal* GPU cycle release. A lot of buyers are still feeling the effects of a once in our lifetime scenario (fingers crossed) with the Pandemic, China Tariffs, Crypto-Boom and supply line issues. Nvidia and even AMD would have you believe that product is scarce and BUY NOW or you're doomed is the answer. With inflation and a recession around the corner, demand will curtail even faster than normal. Just looking at eBay availability and pricing lets you know it is nothing like before. For ~33 days, we only had the 4090. Now (for better or worse) we have the 4080 and on the 13th we will have the 7900XTX and 7900XT. More product and buyer choice and opportunity will flatten demand even faster. ~Feb 2023 will be a clear checksum of where the market stands.

Yep 100% spot on. Nvidia is unabashedly using pandemic-crypto pricing and seeing who will bite. Early adopters bite hard as always. For the record, I am ok with 4090 pricing relatively speaking and with 4090 taking the performance crown Nvidia won't price down on that top tier unless demand noticeably drops. Agreed 100%. Unfortunately it is hard to curb capitalism in that fashion on a micro scale as you are hindering a free market and effectively not letting the market speak for itself but I understand the reasons for wanting it. I wouldn't mind seeing some type of measures implemented as scalpers are another cog in the supply chain inflating prices sometimes there are multiple cogs of scalpers pushing prices even higher (Scalper A buys and resells to Scalper B who lists it even higher) but on a retailer / reseller level. You really do not want the government stepping in. In this scenario, Newegg, Walmart, Amazon, StockX, eBay and more are equally complicit for allowing relisting and scalping on their own retail platforms to collect 3rd party seller fees; as we witnessed during the Pandemic, Amazon and eBay have the means to disallow certain inflated listings and cap prices on certain items but then again GPUs are a luxury item to a degree It gets real murky real quick. Resellers simply don't care. They collect their profits as a retailer and seller fees from reselling the same products through third party vendors. Win/Win for them too. I'm routinely in conflict between gross profiteering and letting the free market speak freely. More legislation is rarely the answer.

Oh I'm making zero excuses for Nvidia. They are behaving exactly as I would expect a for profit corporation to behave. Their objective is to sell and maximize profits. Until consumers stop buying their products enough to make them compete / adjust it will always be business as usual. Unfortunately Nvidia keeps delivering generation after generation and the 4090 is a beast....an absolute wrecking ball of a GPU. My problem is with the price:performance of the 4080. Hopefully we see the market not embrace it as enthusiastically and at least force Nvidia to adjust their product stack from the 4080 on down especially when AMD launches their 7900 series which looks to curb stomp the 4080 16GB and compete in spots with the 4090. Give it a little time. With so many market conditions changed versus last time, I fully expect Q1 2023 (~Feb) to be a different story. I could be wrong (see: 7900XTX 😁) but I'm just not seeing the same outlier conditions as with the 3000 series.

Little bit over a month. ~33 days..... really nowhere deep into the new product cycle. Here is this guy who OBVIOUSLY has the hookup selling on eBay (look at his completed sales and items): https://www.ebay.com/itm/115577457663?epid=7057049227&hash=item1ae8f40bff:g:8owAAOSwfN1jVxjE&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoAlRUfjXQ0vKLhDa%2B1Xn3e7bInfjBUL5kVMwmdm%2Fb95JXSFGWeTxLGTdxgy8uASmWuBd3kIxX%2FFP1gwy2HmZMKm0qA5merJf52X2fmM739Gbu6jm%2Byse%2F6nB1Tk%2BWVzz1Ytdmt3zFNw3FP3hentpxe%2FTXKP8sdCcjKr9jX2eulGFWOdfkKCDiQ6YeCl%2BM9ixOsvmwvf1r1EH6gU2dAR3IV0%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR4rQw-KPYQ He has been selling 4090 FEs since October 24th to now (~20 days) and while he has sold a large chunk, he still has 4 left. Look at his sold units and they are holding steady at ~2200-2300 each. If this was during the Crypto-Boom, those would have been ALL been gone at a higher price in less than 48hrs.

@johnksss The opening monologue dedicated to your Zotac escapades. 🤣

I was going to sneak (clumsily) it into the wife's system today since WoW is down all day for Xpac patch pre-launch events so she won't mind (in theory). 🙂 I am waiting on a 12400 to finish building out a gaming rig I was going to test the A380 against it and set it up here for my daughter to play in my ever persistent quest to get her to switch to a desktop from her laptop. Basically set up a nice gaming rig with a Dell 25" 240hz gaming display I have on hand, decent cans good KB/M and let her game like it's meant to be played and if she suddenly says, "Oh I like this. How do I get this setup?" Just smile and give it to her and go set it up at her place. ♥️

My takeaway from De8auer's 4080 review: Unlike before with the Strix 3080/3090, there are massive differences between PCB designs and cut downs. One great thing about the Strix 3080 is it was basically the 3090 from cooler to PCB. 4080 just isn't worth it if you have a 3090. It just isn't worth going through the hassle of selling at a loss then re-purchasing for that gain. 4080 makes the 4090 look like a tremendous deal. 7900xtx at $999 is going to rofl-stomp all over the 4080 16GB. Only logical upgrade for myself is the 7900xtx or a 4090. 4000 series on the new fab is going to give us a much bigger jump on mobile GPUs than experienced in quite some time. Watching him under volt 4080 and 4090 series into the 260-330w range for 4080 and 4090 and still get the bulk of performance gives a good omen for the heavily neutered mobile versions incoming. Ampere was hot and heavy for many reasons (I'm looking at you Samsung) but with TSMC now in the building the Mobile gains will be substantial. My biggest fear as always is deal breaking coil whine. Even he pointed out that 4080 monster coil whine it was so excessive and speculated as to why based on board design. My Strix 3080 would whine but only >200fps. My KPE 3090 was near silent and only came to life >~300fps. KPE 3090ti? It just won't whine. Even uncapped and in FO76 toggle where pull jumps to 450w+ and fps 400+ it just won't whine. Even overclocking and benching it won't whine. I always had great luck with EVGA cards with coil whine but the KPE 3090ti is the pinnacle of just staying silent regardless of what I've thrown at it so moving to a 7900xtx or 4090 is of great concern (under statement). One reason I keep dragging my feet (besides the acceptable performance and aesthetics 🙂 ). Here he is actually addressing the amount of coil whine and how he wouldn't even purchase a card like this. I have crazy frequency sensitive ears (I hear security systems, monitor whines and test off the charts at my ENT, etc...) and sit right next to my PC. Even with ANC headphones, I can hear even minimal coil whine and it literally makes my head want to explode and nauseous.

I am fully ensconced in FO76 and the WoW Xpac is launching in two weeks and I've been getting ready for that too. They occupy all my game time atm. 🙂 I'm in that weird place with my 3090ti....it is doing its job but I'm still going to list it at a price I'm willing to sell it atm. 🙂 Worst case scenario it sells and I head up to MC on the 13th and snag a 7900xtx. I would just use my Strix 3080 to tide me over and move the A770 into the wife's system.

Hey, how to get a 13900k free AND pocket $500-600 to apply towards a 4090.... Congrats!

I only use copper / aftermarket IHS for laptops if they provide a bit of extra height for poor heatsinks. Outside of that, it is always the stock IHS on desktops just with a good smattering of delids when needed. Glad things ended up working out.

Very nice! Glad to see the G2 opening up and CR1 to boot! I was thinking of selling my Strix D4 + memory setup too and starting fresh and going full DDR5 finally. We're on the same wavelength (again). 🙂

The parameters are different this time around. We are back to Turing conditions. No Crypto-boom along with no Pandemic or logistical conditions deriving thereof. Tomorrow will be officially one month since 4090 launch. What we saw before was AMD and Nvidia weren't holding anything back. They were literally pumping out as many GPUs as possible and still couldn't keep anything in stock. Unless something suddenly introduces new conditions (TSMC issues or another crypto-boom being the biggest potentials), all the perceived "holding back" will not stop the demand curve from shrinking unlike before where it was impossible to exhaust because even at inflated prices slamming any decent GPU into a rig was a money making device. If/when 4090 prices suddenly jump and move consistently > $3k on eBay/StockX then you will know we are somewhat in previous conditions. So many variables are against previous market conditions repeating themselves but like I said before the scarcity PTSD from 2019 to early 2022 still linger. ~Feb 2023 will be the first checksum on market conditions.

You can always get a refund on S&H. It just can take a bit if that is about the $107.

I definitely trust Falkentyne. He's a straight shooter to a fault in all the good ways. I'm not saying CENS wouldn't be on the up and up but I'd pass or do F&F and want the motherboard before I ship anything out in light up that update. Worse case scenario? You keep a fantastic CPU specimen. It's a great chip. Enjoy it!