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I contemplated OLED but I didn't want the potential headaches. I routinely leave my displays on the same content for hours and I am a prime candidate for burn in. As fate would have it, I was sent a 43" 4k Samsung mini led display for free to evaluate and keep so that was that. I love it but make no mistake, OLED is superior from viewing angles to per pixel control. Mini LED is miles ahead of side lit displays as there is zero halo or ghosting when not in use or a zone is set to black but OLED trumps blooming everyday. mini led is brighter than OLED though on average. The question is can you be disciplined enough (or care enough) to cycle your content and displays to avoid potential burn in?

Jay ranting about motherboard prices (and reflecting how I feel):

I can see where you would think that.... 😉

SaaS is a plague. I should be able to buy it outright and if...IF I think an upgraded version is worthy I'll buy it but if I'm content with the current version, why am I continuing to pay for it? Nevermind the language basically saying you don't even own the product many times. DRM is a nuisance I'm somewhat ok with until it breaks or slows down my system or forces another purchase.

7950X3D will be a nice overall bump over your 7900x, congrats! I saw Newegg is offering them now with a $25 discount so pricing is moving in the right direction. My 7800X3D arrived yesterday and my Carbon X670E will be here today. Hopefully I can carve out some time to get it setup sooner than later in my workbench case. I think the 7800X3D will work out for me considering I usually run my 12900k 5.2 all core locked P-Cores only but I'll leave ther 7950X3D as an option. Plan is to ride this till 8000 X3D unless Intel somehow drops the high heat (or the 7800X3D sucks).

I can see a compelling argument for either but personally I'd pick a 6950XT:

As we've progressed through DDR, dual rank isn't as much of a priority as before. It can still provide a little bit of benefit for DDR5 but I would be more concerned with frequency, terts and primaries in that order. All things being equal, I'd get dual rank just because why not if it provides any type of tangible benefit.

Best Buy has 7800X3D in stock at actual real pricing. I went ahead and ordered one. Playtime ahead. Hopefully this turns out better than my 5800X 4 months of USB torture before I jettisoned it for the 11900k. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-8-core-16-thread-4-2-ghz-5-0-ghz-max-boost-socket-am5-unlocked-desktop-processor-black/6537139.p?skuId=6537139

Agreed it isn't absolute or written in stone in regards to establishing equilibrium between VRAM exhaustion and GPU processing limitations but let's say generally as you lower settings to fit your VRAM you will also lessen the load on your GPU. And I agree the 4070 Ti definitely should have come with 16GB and the 4080 should have been equipped with 20GB.

LOL, is that your actual motherboard being boxed up for shipping? With the newest, freshest revision I'm expecting some serious results. 🙂 This is so true. I am beyond sensitive to keyboard and mouse devices (I've lost count how many I've tried over the years). It extends to graphical settings, dead pixels, display bleed, system noise and more. Others don't even notice it but they can drive me batty. Any type of subpar fps and the dreaded "chunk" or too much latency and it will be fixed one way or the other. I just jettisoned T-Mobile Internet to go back to Xfinity because of the latency. Sometimes ignorance is bliss (In my Cypher voice).

I noticed his last update from a few months ago on YT community was he had been sick for over 3 weeks with the flu/bronchitis. Hopefully Max is doing alright. I always enjoyed his content. As for the 4070, basically you're getting a 3080 w/ 2GB more memory for $100 less and all the 4000 series refinements (DLSS3, RT bump, etc..). It is a worthy card for someone looking for an upgrade. 4070 and 4090 are the only two worthy pickups. 4080 and 4070ti is an attempt by Nvidia to shift the pricing stack upward well outside of inflation. The 4080 bump is just so insulting....

While I am a staunch proponent of more VRAM the merrier, I do get where UFD is coming from. The argument being you're not going to be running that high of resolution/settings anyhow on a lesser card (or if you are, it really isn't the card for you). There is a direct relation between graphics/resolution settings and GPU processing power along with VRAM. No one wants pretty eye candy chunking along at 20fps so you would naturally lower the settings and/or resolution anyhow. But with that being said, yeah, Nvidia needs to be more like AMD and slap more memory on their mid to mid-high tier cards

Ended up picking up an MSI X670E Carbon open box for ~$320 from Amazon for some X3D playtime. Still have my M-die heatsinked sticks ready to go. Just need to lock down on a 7950X3D or 7800X3D. I'll end up setting up and testing it in my "workbench" case (Ye ole Corsair 540) as always. My main desktop has a stack of mods and adjustments it needs in the corner anyhow so I'll knock out like 5 birds with one stone. I'm real curious to see how it performs against my tuned 12900k for WoW and then FO76. I'm still bound by my 12900k even at 4k especially in Raids and Valdrakken where fps can dip down into the 70s while my 12900k is bouncing off of 100% and my 4090 is sitting around 70-80%. I expected this as more player data hits and taxes the CPU which was already bottlenecking my GPU in open areas with nobody around. Hardware Numb3rs has been inactive for quite some time and that was my usual go to spot for the type of tweaking and WoW tests I liked. Yet again a major itch I need to scratch personally.... 🙂 On one hand I lamented about this years ago. On the other hand, using recommended settings, my daughter's PC handled 4k Hogwarts just fine and looked pretty decent on her Asus 3070 KO. This was with 32GB DDR4 and a 12400 on an Asus B660. I'm much more sensitive to graphical settings though. Literally how our convo went when she was playing: Me: "Don't you see there? See where the textures aren't as clear?" Her: "No" Me: "Well what about the grass there? Don't you see how the blades aren't as clear?" Her: "No!" Me: "Look at the facial textures. Don't you see how they could be a little clearer?" Her: "No dad! It looks good to me" Me: "Well what about....." Her: "For the love of God dad, LET ME PLAY!" 🤣

I've been looking over Lasso and assignments and the easiest way still seems to be just to spend a minute disabling the non 3D CCD for gaming and enabling it for everything else but I'll cross that use scenario down the road. I ended up going with an MSI X670E Carbon that I found open box from Amazon for ~$320. I was about to pull the trigger on the 3rd party open box for $365 when I refreshed and it popped up so I grabbed it. I have some M-die DDR5 heatsinked 2x16GB sitting on the shelf that can hit 6600. It's been on the shelf for over 6 months waiting for a home. Just need to either pony up for a 7950X3D or wait for a 7800X3D and save $250.

7800X3D is a no brainer for an easy , drop in massive boost to gaming like the 5800X3D is for AM4. Depending on your use case, 7950X3D makes perfect sense. I said it elsewhere, but for myself I would just disable the second CCD if it is acting inappropriately with my given games and just re-enable it for normal D2D use but if gaming is your focus, 7800X3D is the go to chip. As for mindfactory, like any new product, let's see where it settles in after the initial launch rush but the 7800X3D really does check all the boxes for a gamer focused CPU. I'm leaning towards the Asrock X670E lightening PG for a potential X3D buildout. It seems to check all my boxes including a killer price for a full X670E chipset. Coincidentally, Asrock also makes the beefiest/best PCB 7900xtx (Taichi) a repeat of their 6900xt/6950xt best PCB design with the Formula OC.

I remember distinctly on the old NBR forums talking about how much memory was being allocated/used early on with my 3090 and a few arguing it wouldn't be an issue and/or only focus on dynamic allocation....I was right again. Ugh.... The 4090 is such a shining star but I would argue the 4080 is also a good card but $1200 just makes it such a non starter for not being the flagship product of the cycle. Even calculating in inflation, it is severely overpriced. Everything else just slots in raw performance wise close to previously released cards at much higher price tiers than last time even calculating inflation for most (I'm looking at you 4080 and 4070ti). $499->$599 for the 4070 is slightly less punch in the face calculating inflation from 2020 to now and isn't that bad if that is the actual launch price and I'm ok with it on price alone. 4090 is the only one that calculating inflation is coming is less than the 3090 pricing still. Of course the argument there is the 3090 was already severely overpriced....

Savage rant but I do agree with a lot of what he says for the first time in a long time. Really, so many times in hardware (and especially some coding groups/forums) I just giggle and go, "it's not that serious...." Especially at 13:40 about us old school hardware enthusiasts....I will often just LOL while reading stuff and think to myself, "it is so not that serious...." 🤣 And the last bit before he signs off hits the nail on the head. 🙂

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So glad everything is working out to both you and @1610ftw! I miss them both already but my collection was getting ridiculous! 🙂

Ouch, well I guess you know why it was so cheap. Double check the serial and warranty info with Asus for confirmation. If it is a 2021 return it to the buyer. If it is a 2022, it is just you finally getting a taste of the silicon bad luck we all seem to hit with most CPUs off the shelf. 😞 I wouldn't wish that on anybody. If the traces were sound but the OC was lacking, I would have taken it off your hands but if it is borking out at 7200, that is a hard pass. Seriously though, do a warranty check with Asus to confirm the production year and then figure out what to do next.

Might be the board itself? Check to see what else everyone is achieving on 2022 Apex boards >5.8ghz. If they are doing good, time for an RMA. If not then sell it off. How is the memory OC on it versus your Unify?

If this turns out like the 5800X3D vs tuned/un-tuned 12900k, a fully tuned 13900k will still beat it outright but for PnP simplicity, the 7800X3D will be better for gaming overall.

The MSI boards (and even laptops) had my favorite BIOS right after EVGA. My ranking of favorite BIOS: #1. EVGA #2. MSI #3. Asus #4. Asrock #5. Gigabyte When I ordered a few sets of memory from Corsair one shipped right from China and another from USA. When I had to return/RMA a set, it was USA based. Full Path Tracing is "end game" for rendering and the ultimate goal even decades ago when we were full blown away when we could spend minutes rendering a single frame of ray tracing on Macs back in the early 90s. Now we have real time RT and soon (1 or 2 generations) we will have real time RT as fast as raster is today and PT will be the new RT but everything is moving towards real time PT. This is how the industry moves forward. I remember distinctly when I moved to EVGA boards how I was able to extract a bin or two. I know my MSI Z490 and Z590 boards outclassed my Asus and especially Gigabyte boards. I rocked a couple of Taichi boards before too. Didn't hate them at all but when pushed they weren't as stable as the top three. I definitely liked the MSI Z690 Unify-X I had. Only reason I returned my Unify-X was because my 12900k topped out at 7400 and performance was at or lesser than my 4133 DDR4 G1 setup on the Strix Z690 D4 I've been rocking since December 2021. It was either pony up another 500-600+ for a 13900k on top of the $250 for memory I spent and $350 for the motherboard or just return the motherboard, sell the memory at no loss and wait saving ~$1100. I'm flat out skipping the 13900k and waiting for the last RPL refresh this fall to potentially upgrade one last socket run or switch to the 7800X3D depending on results for my games.

You're not alone. Taking the bulk of last gen's top end raw performance (3090ti) and having it in a relatively thin and light laptop for 1080p and even 1440p gaming is pretty substantial. You can pick nits over "But but but bandwidth! and where's muh 24Gigzzzzz" but the bulk of the performance is there and that is pretty righteous. I am impressed with the generational gains from the 3080ti to the 4090 mobile chips this time around. They are substantial for top end vs top end. Even the 4080 mobile vs 3080ti mobile is a nice bump. Just as on the desktop though but to an even larger degree mobile, the 4070 on down vs the 3070 on down mobile is a big swing and a miss overall and if you're looking for a meaningful generational upgrade from lets say the 3070ti mobile to the 4070 you will be incredibly disappointed. We can sit around and quibble on pricing or getting stuck on product naming shenanigans from Nvidia but just comparing the generational leap in performance between the 3080ti mobile and 4080/4090 is excellent. Obviously on the desktop the real 4090 is a monster of a card that decimates everything last gen. (In before, "But but what about muh SLI!!" 😄)

Yeah that KP 3090 is going to get sold ASAP me thinks at that price....GLWS!