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DR is a possibility but it can be hard on the fclk for AM5 so I want to see where my 7950X3D stacks up in a week or so when I unbox it for testing. On the 7800X3D I have no problems going from 2100 (its max) to 2000 for DR memory but if the 7950X3D is a 2200 I would most likely stick with SR unless they clear up the DR situation or I just buy a set to test for myself and see if it can handle it.

Yep, it's an AMD thing. Even AM4 had higher latency and lower overall bandwidth vs Intel 10th and 11th but the end performance was all that mattered.

All things being equal, pushing fclk gives you more bandwidth unless it compromises desired voltages or timings/performance. For example, I can push it to 2167 but performance suffered so you know you're running that red line of errorville. 2133 was the same as 2100 so again I knew I was still in that no returns / redline area. I saw gains stepping 2000->2033->2066->2100. Once primaries were dialed in they were good to go 2000-2100. Hopefully the 7950X3D can be pushed a bit more but I do know these m-die's have hit a wall but I'm not sure how much more I could extract with a newer set of A-dies. Knowing me, I'll end up picking up a set and pushing those just to see to remove DDR5 limitations as the culprit inside of the AMD ~6000 (Sweet spot) to ~6600 window (fingers crossed). I've seen some fclk's pushed to 2200 with great results. I'll definitely be sticking with SR modules to avoid and headaches. I don't agree with everything Buildzoid presented but his DDR5 tuning videos are fun to watch. I'll definitely keep your groundwork for 7950X3D in mind as I plan on benching my 12900k (which I've optimized to death over the last year+) vs 7800X3D vs 7950X3D (as AMD intended) vs 7950X3D CCD off vs Lasso to see if all roads for my use cases lead to the same valley. Once I finish up terts I'll move onto PBO. I know I'm having a blast with AMD so far. No USB issues so we're already starting out good.🙂

Tuned Primaries and fclk. Fclk caps out at 2100. Onward to terts....

I wouldn't even pay that day 1 especially being a FnF crapshoot and no idea how good the IMC is or where it craps out. That is a pure SP gamble. I'll bin some CPUs when I can usually 2-4 tops. I get what I get. I've targeted a few binned chips before but they were at or near former retail (or lower) at the time. Those "in the moment," will pay serious coin for good silicon and I get it....but for myself? No thanks.

In regards to the Taichi 7900xtx, as long as it is retail and not scalpy prices, if you want it get it. 🙂 With my 4090, I knew the only two models I wanted (Suprim X Liquid or FE in that order) and just waited till it was back to retail and picked it up. I don't regret it at all (Like I did the KPE 3090ti a smidge).

True, I just realized my return window is June 13th, so I can test them a bit more than a few weeks. 🙂

I'm quite surprised you haven't picked one up yet with all that other high powered hardware. 1440p it would definitely challenge your 13900k and then some even at 6ghz methinks. LOL, I thought this too. With all the hardware based around everything he's picked up, I'm surprised one of the things he hasn't picked up is a 4090. Blocked and chilled, It would really outclass his 3090.

Decided to snag a 7950X3D from Best Buy too and compare them extensively over the next few weeks to see which one I want to keep. I plan on testing max fclk/PBO on the 7800X3D and run all the normal benchmarks and fun times and gaming runs (WoW) then swap in the 7950X3D rinse and repeat. First I'll make sure everything is up to date and lock down a static flight path and re-tweak/verify and run my 12900k 5.2 all core through the same paces for comparative data.

** Beast mode activated ** Looking forward to some serious IMC taxing. 🙂

MSI board from Amazon warehouse "Open Box" arrived in a brown box with no original box or manuals but the motherboard itself was brand new and all accessories were in there too factory sealed. According to MSI, production date was March with Jan Bios already installed. 7800X3D booted right up and just updated from there no blind flash needed. M-die sticks are the pair I've had since Aug 2022. They were heatsinked but I didn't realize they also had A-RGB leads on them so I plugged them into an extra hub I had and viola! 7800X3D installed in my test case up and alive with the M-die sticks: Initial run with memory at 6000 (before the next week of tweeking and dialing in the CPU and mem):

I would definitely wait. XTX prices are only going to continue to head down a touch. Best Buy has 13900k's for $569 on sale available. They've been there for awhile. They opted to not carry the 13900KS this time around (boo!). Amazon too at $569 There is no way Amazon and Newegg (and even Walmart) aren't going to have their cake and eat it too. The idea of selling out of their own product to re-sellers and profit then turn around and have them offer them jacked up to get their marketplace cut is easy money on the table. If they didn't offer a Marketplace those re-sellers would just run to eBay/StockX/etc... and sell them there. It comes down to the consumer to exercise fiscal restraint (we say behind our 4090s lol) when gouging and scalping are clearly taking place. I've never bought from a scalper or gouger and I never will. I will wait or not buy. I don't need anything that badly.

Asrock Taichi 7900xtx is my favorite of all the 7900xtx cards followed closely by the Nitro+ VC. Taichi has a superior PCB design (again) like their 6900xt/6950xt Formula OC. If I pick up another 7900xtx, it is definitely going to be a Taichi 7900xtx. With the way prices are falling a bit, I'd wait on the 7900xtx Taichi for at least a +X off coupon from Newegg or a flat out reduction.

Nice work and nice video bro!

Armory Crate is devolved into a malware mess that Asus has purposefully went out of their way to make it a requirement. When a company issues BIOS updates that disable/remove the motherboard retaining the settings between power downs thus forcing you to run their software to re-enable them, that is malicious and targeted. Before the 2000+ series BIOS updates for the D4, the motherboard retained the settings even powered off or disconnected completely via CMOS. After? Now they lose their settings powered off even plugged in and CMOS and you need to run Amory Crate to re-enable. Luckily OpenRGB supports the D4 so setting them back is no problem. I removed all that garbage from my Asus Strix G18 (before returning it) and like clockwork it was running better and not stuttering all over the place. Of course on their laptops Asus Crate is even more required for system control..... MSI used to be better too until they decided to abandon Mystic Light and group everything together into their Dragon software and went the way of Asus in requiring a massive install to do even trivial settings. Asrock still gives you some BIOS control over their lighting which I appreciate as it doesn't require their software unless you want to get fancy or need even more extended control. G.Skill still lets you lock their memory RGB and disregard any software. It also has worked with most software suites I've encountered but I prefer non-RGB memory as it can cause heating/power issues especially when overclocking and the heatsinks are usually trash anyhow and need replacing. Crucial RGB is trash. Their memory also required to run their odd software to light up but at least it was a set and forget at boot. EVGA is minimalist in their RGB and as about as non-intrusive as it gets even in their other software for devices. I love the fact they refuse to make an Asus/MSI like "suite" that is bloated and keep each piece of RGB software separate. They also are "set and forget" for all their devices from MB to GPUs (RIP), KB, Mouse, AIO and more. Once it is set, it is set whether it loses power or not. I wish other companies were like this.

I contemplated OLED but I didn't want the potential headaches. I routinely leave my displays on the same content for hours and I am a prime candidate for burn in. As fate would have it, I was sent a 43" 4k Samsung mini led display for free to evaluate and keep so that was that. I love it but make no mistake, OLED is superior from viewing angles to per pixel control. Mini LED is miles ahead of side lit displays as there is zero halo or ghosting when not in use or a zone is set to black but OLED trumps blooming everyday. mini led is brighter than OLED though on average. The question is can you be disciplined enough (or care enough) to cycle your content and displays to avoid potential burn in?

Jay ranting about motherboard prices (and reflecting how I feel):

I can see where you would think that.... 😉

SaaS is a plague. I should be able to buy it outright and if...IF I think an upgraded version is worthy I'll buy it but if I'm content with the current version, why am I continuing to pay for it? Nevermind the language basically saying you don't even own the product many times. DRM is a nuisance I'm somewhat ok with until it breaks or slows down my system or forces another purchase.

7950X3D will be a nice overall bump over your 7900x, congrats! I saw Newegg is offering them now with a $25 discount so pricing is moving in the right direction. My 7800X3D arrived yesterday and my Carbon X670E will be here today. Hopefully I can carve out some time to get it setup sooner than later in my workbench case. I think the 7800X3D will work out for me considering I usually run my 12900k 5.2 all core locked P-Cores only but I'll leave ther 7950X3D as an option. Plan is to ride this till 8000 X3D unless Intel somehow drops the high heat (or the 7800X3D sucks).

I can see a compelling argument for either but personally I'd pick a 6950XT:

As we've progressed through DDR, dual rank isn't as much of a priority as before. It can still provide a little bit of benefit for DDR5 but I would be more concerned with frequency, terts and primaries in that order. All things being equal, I'd get dual rank just because why not if it provides any type of tangible benefit.

Best Buy has 7800X3D in stock at actual real pricing. I went ahead and ordered one. Playtime ahead. Hopefully this turns out better than my 5800X 4 months of USB torture before I jettisoned it for the 11900k. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-8-core-16-thread-4-2-ghz-5-0-ghz-max-boost-socket-am5-unlocked-desktop-processor-black/6537139.p?skuId=6537139

Agreed it isn't absolute or written in stone in regards to establishing equilibrium between VRAM exhaustion and GPU processing limitations but let's say generally as you lower settings to fit your VRAM you will also lessen the load on your GPU. And I agree the 4070 Ti definitely should have come with 16GB and the 4080 should have been equipped with 20GB.

LOL, is that your actual motherboard being boxed up for shipping? With the newest, freshest revision I'm expecting some serious results. 🙂 This is so true. I am beyond sensitive to keyboard and mouse devices (I've lost count how many I've tried over the years). It extends to graphical settings, dead pixels, display bleed, system noise and more. Others don't even notice it but they can drive me batty. Any type of subpar fps and the dreaded "chunk" or too much latency and it will be fixed one way or the other. I just jettisoned T-Mobile Internet to go back to Xfinity because of the latency. Sometimes ignorance is bliss (In my Cypher voice).