RTX 4000 mobile series officially released.

[Papusan]

9 hours ago, ryan said:

I was always under the impression it was just pascal gpus that were close to desktop gpus....geeze where have I been

 

you guys are right

https://gagadget.com/en/graphics-cards/geforce-rtx-2080-vs-geforce-rtx-2080-mobile/

https://www.notebookcheck.com/GeForce-RTX-2080-Mobile-vs-GeForce-RTX-2080-Desktop-vs-GeForce-RTX-2080-Super-Mobile_9541_9286_10231.247532.0.html

Older Clevo 200W Maxwell 980N laptop GPUs was faster than their Nvidia 980 desktop siblings and got double the vram 8GB vs 4GB for 980 desktop cards. 

[Tenoroon]

On 2/10/2023 at 9:27 PM, ssj92 said:

I bet if RTX Titan Ada comes out it'll be 48GB 

It will... 😉

And it won't be using G6X, probably G6 because 48gb of G6X requires way too much power.

[VEGGIM]

So someone revealed that test mobo's for mobile cpus use interposers. Which are basically socketable bga. 


same for the chipset.

Before some goes "WHY IS THIS NOT IN LAPTOPS?!" It's because these type of sockets are very expensive. like 1k usd+ expensive. Not only that. Interposers can wear. They are not really made for long term use just for testing.

[win32asmguy]

1 hour ago, VEGGIM said:

Before some goes "WHY IS THIS NOT IN LAPTOPS?!" It's because these type of sockets are very expensive. like 1k usd+ expensive. Not only that. Interposers can wear. They are not really made for long term use just for testing.

 

Well, Intel has the technologies already (LGA, PGA) but just refuses to use them. The only real issue with modular designs is they do not fit into the business goals for the companies in control.

 

At one point I was told PGA was sunset because some OEM's were having issues with pins being bent by technicians when repairs were performed. I laughed because it sounded like a poor excuse for lack of training.

[Etern4l]

13 minutes ago, win32asmguy said:

The only real issue with modular designs is they do not fit into the business goals for the companies in control.

 

Yep, the real reason why the new AW management slayed the AGA.

[ssj92]

Slowly improving

 

[MyPC8MyBrain]

31 minutes ago, ssj92 said:

Slowly improving

looks like the system is playing "whack a mole" with thermal issues, 

can he repeat this consistently?

any undervolt applied there yet?

did he try to disable nvidia nvpcf?
 

for these new chip the bin is critical, if the bin is not that good allot of cores will need a stronger signal which translates to more heat generated, I've seen this first hand after loosing faith in 5 bins before i by chance received a good bin that blew me away especially after having hands on experience with 5 before i know immediately this was very different from the rest,

 

[ssj92]

13 minutes ago, MyPC8MyBrain said:

looks like the system is playing "whack a mole" with thermal issues, can he repeat this consistently?
for these new chip the bin is critical, if the bin is not that good allot of cores will need a stronger signal which translates to more heat generated, I've seen this first hand after loosing faith in 5 bins before i by chance received a good bin that blew me away especially after having hands on experience with 5 before i know immediately this was very different from the rest,

 

did you have him try to disable nvidia nvpcf?

 

He mentioned he installed xtu and saw it said 55w TDP. he changed something in bios and now it shows 157w. 

 

At this point we're better off waiting for @win32asmguy to get his m16 to do all the tests since he's a member of this forum and it's easy to communicate with him. 

 

There does seem to be performance issue with 13th gen though right now on mobile. Someone from UL (3dmark employee) said they released an update recently to help with 13th gen performance issues on mobile. I also heard from someone at AW that they are aware of performance problems and it's apparently affecting not just AW but all OEMs right now (sounds like an Intel issue). 

 

I decided to run TS on my X14 with 12700H, even with it's throttling cpu (due to temps( it gets 13k cpu score: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/35694779

 

These new cpus should be getting over 20k then 

[Papusan]

The greed show its ugly face...

 

It wasn't enough that the same SKU for laptops perform worse than the same SKU for desktops. They want that you pay even more for even less. 

 

 

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Laptop Pre-Orders Show Similar Prices As RTX 3070 Laptops
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-laptop-pre-orders-show-similar-prices-as-rtx-3070-laptops/

[MyPC8MyBrain]

11 minutes ago, Papusan said:

The greed show its ugly face...

these greedy corporate baboons think we are all clueless and blind 

[win32asmguy]

1 hour ago, ssj92 said:

He mentioned he installed xtu and saw it said 55w TDP. he changed something in bios and now it shows 157w. 

 

At this point we're better off waiting for @win32asmguy to get his m16 to do all the tests since he's a member of this forum and it's easy to communicate with him. 

 

There does seem to be performance issue with 13th gen though right now on mobile. Someone from UL (3dmark employee) said they released an update recently to help with 13th gen performance issues on mobile. I also heard from someone at AW that they are aware of performance problems and it's apparently affecting not just AW but all OEMs right now (sounds like an Intel issue). 

 

I decided to run TS on my X14 with 12700H, even with it's throttling cpu (due to temps( it gets 13k cpu score: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/35694779

 

These new cpus should be getting over 20k then 

 

The bios looks like it has the same four performance modes as are available on the business model. So if he switched from balanced to ultra performance it may affect TDP limits and fan curve.

[Sniffy]

3 hours ago, ssj92 said:

He mentioned he installed xtu and saw it said 55w TDP. he changed something in bios and now it shows 157w. 

 

At this point we're better off waiting for @win32asmguy to get his m16 to do all the tests since he's a member of this forum and it's easy to communicate with him. 

 

There does seem to be performance issue with 13th gen though right now on mobile. Someone from UL (3dmark employee) said they released an update recently to help with 13th gen performance issues on mobile. I also heard from someone at AW that they are aware of performance problems and it's apparently affecting not just AW but all OEMs right now (sounds like an Intel issue). 

 

I decided to run TS on my X14 with 12700H, even with it's throttling cpu (due to temps( it gets 13k cpu score: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/35694779

 

These new cpus should be getting over 20k then 

 

Could be TDP. We already saw the 8+8 Alder Lake HX needed more power to outperform 6+8 Alder Lake. 8+16 is a huge amount of cores and it will need an appropriately large power budget to perform. 55W for 8+16 is going to cause problems.

 

[MyPC8MyBrain]

12950HX @157w (it went even higher i just didn't capture)

 

 

[Sniffy]

Yep they really need watts to stretch their legs. If they try and ship 8+16 Raptor Lake HX parts with 55W power limits, performance is going to nosedive and it will be a purely marketing ploy to advertise 24 cores. E-cores don't use a lot of power under load but they do have a decent static power cost just by being turned on.

[VEGGIM]

4060 mobile has been tested. 

 

[Aaron44126]

This is on the desktop side, but I just saw this...

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-rtx-4060-specs-leak-claims-fewer-cuda-cores-vram-than-rtx-3060

 

Desktop RTX 4060 has 3072 CUDA cores — RTX 3060 had 3584.

Desktop RTX 4060 has 8 GB VRAM — RTX 3060 had 12GB.

Desktop RTX 4060 has 115W TGP — RTX 3060 had 170W.

Desktop RTX 4060 is a downgrade from RTX 3060??

NVIDIA marketing at their greatest...

(These numbers come from kopite7kimi, a very reliable NVIDIA leaker.)

[MyPC8MyBrain]

it's similar case with the 4080, smaller die, less VRAM, less everything compared to the 3080,

[Etern4l]

13 minutes ago, Aaron44126 said:

RTX 3060 had 12GB.

 

Had is correct. Ngreedia recently nerfed it back to 8GB.

 

According to this prerelease info, it's still an upgrade in compute power, but memory bandwidth is getting a serious haircut:

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4060.c3891

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3060.c3682

 

The 3060 specs are for the 12GB model, so I imagine Nvidia nerfed the 3060 to make things look right at 4060 launch.

Sad.

 

 

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, MyPC8MyBrain said:

it's similar case with the 4080, smaller die, less VRAM, less everything compared to the 3080,

Not less money for it😎 

[ssj92]

My flagship 880M from 2014 has 8GB VRAM 

980M had 8GB

1080 had 8GB

2080 had 8GB

2080S had 8GB

3080 has 16GB

 

It took what 7 years to get an increase? Now they're going lower again lol

 

4080 has 12GB

 

nVidia is going crazy 

[Etern4l]

This is mostly caused by massive demand for GPUs from the tech industry. That's all they can spare for laptop gamers. 

[cylix]

 

[Shark00n]

7 hours ago, ssj92 said:

My flagship 880M from 2014 has 8GB VRAM 

980M had 8GB

1080 had 8GB

2080 had 8GB

2080S had 8GB

3080 has 16GB

 

It took what 7 years to get an increase? Now they're going lower again lol

 

4080 has 12GB

 

nVidia is going crazy 

 

No point having 16GB if you don't have the memory bus to keep up. And these laptop chips don't.

 

 

I still have to, reluctantly, replace my 3080 Legion 7i soon. It's a pretty nice machine but the 3080 and 11th gen can't really keep up with 4K gaming as well as I'd like.

Thinking the Tongfang/XMG/Eluktronics 17" with watercooling and 4090 is the way to go if the pricing isn't too bad. It isn't as upgreadeable or solidly built as I'd like but that doesn't exist anymore. At least it's more or less a thick-boy and the watercooling does great in keeping the noise down and the performance consistent. Seems like we can't really ask for more in 2023.

Don't see the point in waiting out for Clevo's flagship.

[1610ftw]

37 minutes ago, Shark00n said:

 

No point having 16GB if you don't have the memory bus to keep up. And these laptop chips don't.

 

 

I still have to, reluctantly, replace my 3080 Legion 7i soon. It's a pretty nice machine but the 3080 and 11th gen can't really keep up with 4K gaming as well as I'd like.

Thinking the Tongfang/XMG/Eluktronics 17" with watercooling and 4090 is the way to go if the pricing isn't too bad. It isn't as upgreadeable or solidly built as I'd like but that doesn't exist anymore. At least it's more or less a thick-boy and the watercooling does great in keeping the noise down and the performance consistent. Seems like we can't really ask for more in 2023.

Don't see the point in waiting out for Clevo's flagship.

 

Check out the Asus G18, too  - that one might be priced very competitively and it has a nice big 18" screen. Alienware could also be a candidate depending on the CPU you want.

 

And indeed no point waiting for Clevo - if it comes to BGA books others can do that better unless you need a 3rd or 4th SSD slot.

 

 

[1610ftw]

3 hours ago, cylix said:

 

 

Here is the most important part for people who want to game in 4K:

 

THE DESKTOP GPU IS 66.53% FASTER THAN THE LAPTOP GPU IN 25 GAMES

 

Those who can should get a QHD capable 4070 and at home game with a desktop - over two laptop generations the savings will pay for that desktop PC and QHD is perfect for even an 18" screen.