*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

10 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

OK, I am still assuming we meant to compare apples to apples (as opposed to mobile vs desktop etc) i.e. vs 2 gens back: the 14 nm i9-11900K 🙂

He meant his own chips, so I don't count in Intels 11th gen failure (backported to Intel's 14 nm+++++++ process node)🙂

[tps3443]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Brother @tps3443 is either living right or struck a deal with the devil on the 11900K and his 13900KF. Two lucky strikes in a row. Only he could tell us which one is more accurate. 😉 

No deals lol, just took a gamble on the KF model hoping I’d come out okay. I was assuming Intel was pulling all the good 13900K models with IGP for the upcoming 13900KS, all speculation of course. I don’t know how they actually do it. 

 

[Papusan]

5 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

No deals lol, just took a gamble on the KF model hoping I’d come out okay. I was assuming Intel was pulling all the good 13900K models with IGP for the upcoming 13900KS, all speculation of course. I don’t know how they actually do it. 

 

Every single KF chip will be used as KF (only binning will be for clock speed). If Intel was really smart they would release an 13900KFS 🙂

[Etern4l]

10 minutes ago, Papusan said:

He meant his own chips, so I don't count in Intels 11th gen failure (backported to Intel's 14 nm process node)🙂

 

If we are comparing against mobile CPUs then it's not fair lol The 12900HX is already 20% slower than the 12900KS. Still not sure where the 2 gens would come in here in this case 😉

[johnksss]

2 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

haha ure turning heads, congratz! are you take him up on his offer? might wanna ask what they have in mind with "something nice" from EVGA. too bad they dont make GPUs anymore 😄

 

aw man, wish i could join u guys in CPU and RAM OC here, had a loooot to catch up on esp regarding Ryzen 7000 tuning. but im now slowly getting an idea of what settings matter and what approaches would be promising. in any case, currently started off with tuning the 4090, easiest and quickest to do for now 😛 got +1550 Mhz stable for 24/7 on the vRAM (= 24.1 Gbps), now turning my focus on the core. lets see what we get!

 

really happy with the STRIX OC vbios so far, lets me downclock and force way lower limits than before for desktop usage. also not bumping into power limits anymore, which is nice! 🙂 lets see if it stays that way once i start bumping up the core.

So your card wont do 1700+ on memory?

[Papusan]

Nvidia instructs AIB partners to send RTX 4090 cards affected by power connector issues directly to headquarters notebookcheck.net | Today

The fun part.... Nvidia warn about use of 3rd party adapters 🙂 

 

Edit. A new one today. 

 

And as usual... And CableMod reps strike while the iron is hot 🙂

 

Edit. And here is an new. But from MSI. The nightmare for NVIDIA has just began. When will we see the first house burned down?

 

We've got out first MSI 4090 that melted (Suprim X)

[tps3443]

13900KF
5.7Ghz @1.235V
277 watts peak power. 
XMP DDR5 7200 
WATER CHILLER IS OFF 😁

[johnksss]

Okay, found the main thread over there.

[Talon]

6 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I got a private message from CENS he wants to buy my 13900KF and LN2 it apparently. 

 

 

 

 

 

See if you can get the 4090 FTW3 Prototype. 😎

[tps3443]

I’ve gotten this 13900KF down to 239 watts through R23@5.5Ghz! 🤓 and it’s still scoring 40,800. Definitely good for AIO usage right there, if that’s all ya had! I’m just pulling wasted power out of this thing left and right! And it’s still a blazing fast full force 13900KF!
 

Testing stability for 30 minutes each time. No water chiller. 
 

Trying to find its lowest voltage. 

[Etern4l]

19 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I’ve gotten this 13900KF down to 239 watts through R23@5.5Ghz! 🤓 and it’s still scoring 40,800. Definitely good for AIO usage right there, if that’s all ya had! I’m just pulling wasted power out of this thing left and right! And it’s still a blazing fast full force 13900KF!
 

Testing stability for 30 minutes each time. No water chiller. 
 

Trying to find its lowest voltage. 

 

Awesome! What is your current undervolt?

[Mr. Fox]

Moving a little closer to the edge. Will have to try my other M-die kit. This one keeps causing the "Memory Changed" issue at boot up at 7000 (although stable) and it is not stable at 7200.

 

[tps3443]

43 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

Awesome! What is your current undervolt?

Ive set 1.170V in the bios with MSI LLC 5, which is a lower Load line setting. It performs like nothing ever happens. Only now power usage is more in line or below that of a AMD 7950X 

[Etern4l]

31 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Ive set 1.170V in the bios with MSI LLC 5, which is a lower Load line setting. It performs like nothing ever happens. Only now power usage is more in line or below that of a AMD 7950X 

Thanks for this. Something to try vs the simple offset method. 

 

[Mr. Fox]

13 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

Thanks for this. Something to try vs the simple offset method. 

I know it is popular, but I never use adaptive voltage with an offset. Using static/manual voltage always works better for me. I have played around with it some, but it is never stable when I push the overclock harder.

[Etern4l]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I know it is popular, but I never use adaptive voltage with an offset. Using static/manual voltage always works better for me. I have played around with it some, but it is never stable when I push the overclock harder.

 

I recall playing around with static voltage initially with a lot of instability as a result for some reason. The contact frame actually improved things quite a bit, so maybe worth giving this another try. 

The offset mode yields stable results for pure undervolting + minor E-core OC purposes at least. The problem is I need the settings to be super stable, so testing cycles are kind of slow resulting in inertia and reluctance to tweak further 🙂

 

[Mr. Fox]

32 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

I recall playing around with static voltage initially with a lot of instability as a result for some reason. The contact frame actually improved things quite a bit, so maybe worth giving this another try. 

The offset mode yields stable results for pure undervolting + minor E-core OC purposes at least. The problem is I need the settings to be super stable, so testing cycles are kind of slow resulting in inertia and reluctance to tweak further 🙂

 

The best way to keep your CPU stable is to give it more voltage or undervolt less. That is assuming you can keep it cool, of course. Stock voltage is usually too much. Using adaptive voltage gives an impression of success, but the fact is that allows the CPU to do what it wants to. If I am too stingy with voltage, static voltage is not stable for me either. You usually can't set static voltage to a value seen using adaptive voltage or it will be unstable. The part that you can't see is what the voltage is doing between sensor polling cycles.

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Speaking of more voltage... The issue with 7200 stability was the bin quality of the memory was inferior, so my better kit is fine at 7200. I've installed the better M-die kit.

 

[tps3443]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

The best way to keep your CPU stable is to give it more voltage or undervolt less. That is assuming you can keep it cool, of course. Stock voltage is usually too much. Using adaptive voltage gives an impression of success, but the fact is that allows the CPU to do what it wants to. If I am too stingy with voltage, static voltage is not stable for me either. You usually can't set static voltage to a value seen using adaptive voltage or it will be unstable. The part that you can't see is what the voltage is doing between sensor polling cycles.

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Speaking of more voltage... The issue with 7200 stability was the bin quality of the memory was inferior, so my better kit is fine at 7200. I've installed the better M-die kit.

 

Looks really great. Bump those E-Cores just a tap and you’ll be there! 
 

How do you like the 13900K? I did not own a 12900K but it does seem like a worthy improvement. 
 

After I bought those parts from you, I was tempted a few times to go after 12th Gen. But it was worth the wait for 13th.

 

[Mr. Fox]

16 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Looks really great. Bump those E-Cores just a tap and you’ll be there! 
 

How do you like the 13900K? I did not own a 12900K but it does seem like a worthy improvement. 
 

After I bought those parts from you, I was tempted a few times to go after 12th Gen. But it was worth the wait for 13th.

I might be able to push them  some more, but the E-cores are the weakest link on this CPU. Yes, it was a nice upgrade from 12900K/KS. MOAR CORE is seldom something to complain about.

 

[Papusan]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 OC Shootout: ASUS, COLORFUL, FE, MSI, GAINWARD tweaktown.com
The ultimate GeForce RTX 4090 overclocking showdown: ASUS vs COLORFUL vs GAINWARD vs MSI vs Founders Edition... which overclocks the best?

 

Best Overclocker
You'd probably think it was the ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4090 OC Edition that is the best overclocker, but you'd be wrong... the ROG Strix RTX 4090 was topping out at just 2940MHz but your results may vary. The best overclocker that I've got here with my pile of custom GeForce RTX 4090 graphics cards is NVIDIA's own GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition which hit 3080MHz (but crashed) but was perfectly stable at 3060MHz.

 

Fun seeing Nvidia eat up their partners🙂 A good beginning before we see next chapter "eat their own" (5x90 FE). Have control on chips and memory chips bin quality/supply chain, pay off. Give it one of the best price tag help as well. Nvidia vs AIB partners = 1-0

[ryan]

40 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Nvidia vs AIB partners = 1-0

lol man that made me laugh....your awesome dude

 

no kidding why help the helpers when you can kick em

[tps3443]

With how advanced these new 13900K’s are. Using the newest Intel XTU is really the way to go with overclocking. It’s quite advanced! And user friendly. Plus, you are able to get peak potential from the cpu by leaving nothing on the table. 
 

I don’t use their auto tuning or anything. But manually overclocking with XTU is really awesome. It gives such great control over everything including the timings in real time. 
 

And I’m not having to jump in and out of the bios lol. 

[johnksss]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 OC Shootout: ASUS, COLORFUL, FE, MSI, GAINWARD tweaktown.com
The ultimate GeForce RTX 4090 overclocking showdown: ASUS vs COLORFUL vs GAINWARD vs MSI vs Founders Edition... which overclocks the best?

 

Best Overclocker
You'd probably think it was the ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 4090 OC Edition that is the best overclocker, but you'd be wrong... the ROG Strix RTX 4090 was topping out at just 2940MHz but your results may vary. The best overclocker that I've got here with my pile of custom GeForce RTX 4090 graphics cards is NVIDIA's own GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition which hit 3080MHz (but crashed) but was perfectly stable at 3060MHz.

 

Fun seeing Nvidia eat up their partners🙂 A good beginning before we see next chapter "eat their own" (5x90 FE). Have control on chips and memory chips bin quality/supply chain, pay off. Give it one of the best price tag help as well. Nvidia vs AIB partners = 1-0

Wait? Why no trash card in the list? Are they being haters?😂

[electrosoft]

26 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Wait? Why no trash card in the list? Are they being haters?😂

 

I messaged them personally to tell them to not include it.... 😉

 

 

[ryan]

@Etern4lI meant laptop as per what papusan said. going from 11800h to 12th gen is a pretty big jump...then 13th gen.....I bought this laptop in january of 2022 and its a 11800h and now we have 12th gen and 13th gen coming in.