*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[tps3443]

3 hours ago, Etern4l said:

As for the 4090 pricing, I wonder what GeForce 4090 chip volume NVidia has sold to date. Clearly, there is a level competition for this level of silicon with the industry, for example, here is two-faced Elon complaining about the dangers of AI and amassing GPUs for his own AI project at the same time:

 

 https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/04/elon-musk-reportedly-purchases-thousands-of-gpus-for-generative-ai-project-at-twitter/

 

I think very many 4090’s were sold. It has always been pushed as the, grit your teeth and just buy it now type of GPU. It’s super fast and not a horrible deal if you really think about it. I think the 3090/3090Ti wasn’t a terrible value either if you paid normal retail. The 3090/3090Ti was only bad because it had powerful sibling(s) for so much cheaper below it. But look at those GPU’s today with their limited VRAM, we can clearly see which models lasted the longest. 3090/3090Ti/4090 GPU’s should last years and years! 

[Etern4l]

3 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I think very many 4090’s were sold. It has always been pushed as the, grit your teeth and just buy it now type of GPU. It’s super fast and not a horrible deal if you really think about it. I think the 3090/3090Ti wasn’t a terrible value either if you paid normal retail. The 3090/3090Ti was only bad because it had powerful sibling(s) for so much cheaper below it. But look at those GPU’s today with their limited VRAM, we can clearly see which models lasted the longest. 3090/3090Ti/4090 GPU’s should last years and years! 

 

Agreed, just curious about a ballpark quantity. I doubt Nvidia discloses this though. 

[Mr. Fox]

Well, it looks like I am going to be waiting until June for a 13900KS to become available. The only ones available for purchase are from scalpers. All normal retail channels are out of stock. I am not interested in paying more than necessary. Even NewEgg's price is about $25-30 too much. It sells for just under $700 from reputable sources like Microcenter, Provantage, Central Computers, B&H Photo and Bottom Line (shopBLT.com) and I don't really want to pay $700+ for a CPU that will soon be obsolete. Current status from Provantage is my order is projected to ship on June 5.

 

It looks like BLT has a small batch arriving in less than a week, but their backlog (visible to the public) shows more pending orders than incoming CPUs so there is no real hope of that working out. Plus, I can't use PayPal to pay BLT and that's where my money is sitting and waiting to be used. BLT is a good option for avoiding sales tax. The only state sales taxes they collect are for residents of CT and HI. If I thought there was a remote chance I could get one next week I would consider shuffling my money around and save the sales tax. The downside is, if you open the package BLT does not accept returns. They only accept returns on factory-sealed products. So, for now, I am leaving the pending order with Provantage active. The 100% unconditional satisfaction guarantee return policy rivals Microcenter, so I'd rather waste my money on sales tax and have that option available.

 

I am glad Brother@Talonrecommended Provantage because of their return policy. It's a short time windows (not like Microcenter in that respect) but certainly long enough to confirm the silicon quality isn't garbage. Since I don't have access to a Microcenter, they are the next best option.

[ryan]

I'm interested in buying your nuc. Do you ship to Canada. And does it include a concubine.. holy smokes there has to be more to life than MHz 

[Mr. Fox]

5 minutes ago, ryan said:

I'm interested in buying your nuc. Do you ship to Canada. And does it include a concubine.. holy smokes there has to be more to life than MHz 

Hi Brother @ryansure,  I would ship it to Canada for you. Send me a PM with your delivery address and I will check the cost for USPS and let you know.

 

No concubines. Mrs. Fox doesn't allow me to have those.. 😉

 

[ryan]

How long will you hold it. I get paid on the 28th. Don't have much left after buying a tv and laptop. Not super poor or super rich. But it would be perfect for my tv. I'll pay you 300 cad plus shipping. I'll give you my address when I'm ready. Just make sure the concubines are fresh and ready for it

 

Mrs Fox seems fair. Imagine 20 concubines and a wife. Not good. But yes if you want to send them along side the nuc power to you.

[Mr. Fox]

  

3 minutes ago, ryan said:

How long will you hold it. I get paid on the 28th. Don't have much left after buying a tv and laptop. Not super poor or super rich. But it would be perfect for my tv. I'll pay you 300 cad plus shipping. I'll give you my address when I'm ready. Just make sure the concubines are fresh and ready for it

I will hold it for you until the 28th. Not a problem. If you want/need the docking station and headphones I will let you have them included in that price. It might make the shipping a tiny bit more, but probably not much. Let me know.

The concubines were quarantined by Winduhz Defender, so no concubines.

[ryan]

Freeking defender. Dude I'll pay you what it's worth. Not what you claim. Your price is to low. I'll take a little time and you gain a little money. 250 usd in cad is 334 cad and that my friend is a good deal

 

[electrosoft]

I can see a compelling argument for either but personally I'd pick a 6950XT:

 

 

[Papusan]

18 hours ago, Papusan said:

Same up again.... Better silicon and higher board power than its AIC partners cards for around same MSRP. Yep, the AIC partners will launch their so called better binned OC variants of 4070 but those will come with a nice price premium on top. For the vram overclock, its just a pure luck of draw.  

 

I just can't see the AIC partners will make many of those low entry cards at MSRP. Whats the point make cards when you struggle to compete and on top don't make profits? Better put the assembly line in works for the more expensive custom cards. 

On 4/12/2023 at 9:47 PM, Papusan said:

Does this mean the new GPUs in reality should have cost more?😁 @electrosoft

 

 

Nice way to cut costs down to the bone. Reduce the boards power vs previous gen card (3070) and then you can cut costs on the boards power delivery components. AIC partners is forced to make custom design (fancy lights and blinking fans) to make some profits. Because they don't make much profits from the chips itself as Nvidia can do. 

 

The 8GB vram was the icing on the cake to be able to sell a card at $599 MSRP. Nvidia know how to make the price point more appealing for the gamers😎 Modern features as DLSS 3 for fake FPS cost way less than the hardware in itself. The same way as Dell do with their gamoing flagship. Just implement  features as TCC OFFSET in bios to reduce RMA/Support cost + cut costs on the cooler. 

 

The fact that NVIDIA is trying to counteract the current price spiral at least a little by more or less directly recommending that every manufacturer also offer products at an RRP is quite commendable. Only here you shift the problem elegantly to the board partner (AIC) and lean back and relax because you have a certain price advantage with the Founders Edition by using your own chips. And the AIC then starts to search for the last cent to be saved, which leads to quite strange limitations in places.

 

GeForce RTX 4070 brought to the price point: When the need for an RRP defeats reason
https://www.igorslab.de/geforce-rtx-4070-auf-den-preispunkt-gebracht-wenn-der-zwang-zur-uvp-die-vernunft-besiegt/

On 4/12/2023 at 9:47 PM, Papusan said:

Edit. I'm sure EVGA saw this come... The manufacturers will hardly make big profits at least with the MSRP cards, that much I can reveal at least. I’m not allowed to do more than that because the calculations are all under NDA. Unfortunately, this also diminishes the hope that the upcoming AMD cards will be significantly cheaper. igorslab

 

They are cutting costs down to the bone. See etc here  <because especially the cheap voltage converters are disappointing><measly 12GB vram>. And yet, they still have problem make any profits from $599. Who is to blame for this? Where goes all the profits? TSMC ? Or Nvidia that don't tell the whole truth about the cost and calculations? 

 

[Talon]

 

Legion running 6000 CL36. Got my Kingston A-Dies up and running finally. This is stock 1.1v 😀

[Papusan]

Today's Joke come from Tomshardware's editor Paul Alcorn. When the low ain't low enough from tomshardware. This is the closest you can come a paid shill.

 

They put the fully locked down Ryzen X3D V-cashe chips on same level as Intel's unlocked chips for overclocking. So in short...  Intel K processor vs Ryzen X3D = 1-1 in oc'ing. YEEES. I wonder how much they got paid for putting this "work of art" with big letters on first page🤔 Maybe an overclocking beast as the 7800X3D for the whole Tomshardware team for private use?😁

 

 

AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D vs Intel Core i9-13900K vs Core i7-13700K: Big Gaming Punch, Smaller Price Tag

 

 

 

Btw. der8auer wonder what's wrong with nvidia😎 From 4:08

 

[Mr. Fox]

12 hours ago, Papusan said:

Today's Joke come from Tomshardware's editor Paul Alcorn. When the low ain't low enough from tomshardware. This is the closest you can come a paid shill.

 

They put the fully locked down Ryzen X3D V-cashe chips on same level as Intel's unlocked chips for overclocking. So in short...  Intel K processor vs Ryzen X3D = 1-1 in oc'ing. YEEES. I wonder how much they got paid for putting this "work of art" with big letters on first page🤔 Maybe an overclocking beast as the 7800X3D for the whole Tomshardware team for private use?😁

I think maybe we expect too much from stupid people.  I find it much easier to expect nothing intelligent, true, good or useful from them. In much the same way that I am not offended by a person with horribly disgusting  body odor, who never bathe and have terrible personal hygiene; because I intentionally stay away from them and avoid directly exposing myself to such repulsive people. Therefore, I am less often repulsed.

 

Where we start having problems is when they come over and fart in your face, they don't stay away and they want to force their stench on you, expect you to like it and demand that you give them special treatment and be extra nice to them. Tom's Hardware, PCWorld, the Dave2D channel, Tik-Tok and Facepoot are their spaces. Being part of the hivemind is important to them, and without it their lives have no meaning or purpose.

 

[tps3443]

This is just hilarious! 
 

The Last Of Us was a Sony exclusive title forever now. And it’s funny that PC is so popular now, that Sony ports their best games for us 🙂

 

Well, “The Last Of Us “ was a MAJOR failure!!! The game is absolutely amazing, that is not the issue at all. The issue was the early launch version would compile shaders on launch sucking down lots of CPU power and GPU power all at once literally maxing your PC. I mean, your GPU and CPU are gonna max out and run like that for about 10-20 minutes lol. (The game would crash peoples systems within seconds of launch) the reviews were overwhelmingly negative due to these crashes, and saying exactly what I describe.

 

(Now Here is my point and issue)

 

I was able to recreate this on my very own Z690 APEX “Turd edition” the board had weak memory dimms, and even DDR5 7000 was a stretch. My system was not stable at all!! And “The Last of Us” crashed because of this instability. It wasn’t the game, it was totally fine. It was my computers own stability causing this. With slower memory speeds it was fine on the Z690 Apex. Even with DDR5 8200+ on my MSI Unify-X this would crash. (8200+ was not stable) so it makes sense.
 

Sony released an update that fixed this crashing, but this makes me wonder… is everyone’s system really so unstable they are actually blaming it on the game? 
 

I knew “The Last Of Us” did not work on my system with DDR5 8200 with my Unify-X because well, DDR5 8200 was not stable. But, since updating the game and applying their magical “”Crash while building shaders fix”” I can now play it with DDR5 8200… The issue was not the game, but the fact that If your PC was not 100% solid solid solid, it was gonna be wiped out by The Last Of Us during the initial launch version with its heavy load Shader compiling lol. This was actually one of the best stability test around. Because if it closed on compile immediately if your system was not stable lol. 

 

Not sure what they did, but they essentially fixed a problem that wasn’t even a problem with the game at all. Too heavy of a load for the average computers I suppose is the only problem. 
 

And people are still blaming the game for being crap even though it has been fixed. It is made like this was the developers fault entirely. This is really interesting to me, because the game was always fine so long as your PC was legit stable. 

 

Sugi0luver said the exact same thing, when this title first launched. And I quote: “YOU’d better be STABLE for this one” 😂

[Mr. Fox]

12 hours ago, tps3443 said:

It wasn’t the game, it was totally fine. It was my computers own stability causing this.

Sony released an update that fixed this crashing, but this makes me wonder… is everyone’s system really so unstable they are actually blaming it on the game? 

That happens probably more than we realize. Remember, we are living in a McDonald's drive-by, Tik-Tok, BLM, point and click, XMP, PBO, TVB, AI-is-important, dumb-dumb, cookie-cutter, muppet show era. A whole bunch of people are not smart enough to troubleshoot a complex problem. Being a stupid idiot is the new normal. They push a button, reach for another piece of candy, (or their favorite legalized recreational drugs,) and hope it works. They tweet about it, post pictures of it on Instagram, and if their friends on Facepoot can't help them fix it they're totally lost. 

 

Then again, if a system runs completely stable 24-7/365 and the only time it doesn't is when you launch a specific game, it is really logical to blame the game for being a piece of garbage. I think all of us would because it is the only conclusion that makes any sense. If it is true and launching one isolated software title causes a system to malfunction, and there is no way to reproduce the problem using other programs or synthetic tests, I think it is safe to blame that piece of software. If you paid for it, you got screwed unless the developer cares enough to fix it.

[Talon]

12 hours ago, tps3443 said:

This is just hilarious! 
 

The Last Of Us was a Sony exclusive title forever now. And it’s funny that PC is so popular now, that Sony ports their best games for us 🙂

 

Well, “The Last Of Us “ was a MAJOR failure!!! The game is absolutely amazing, that is not the issue at all. The issue was the early launch version would compile shaders on launch sucking down lots of CPU power and GPU power all at once literally maxing your PC. I mean, your GPU and CPU are gonna max out and run like that for about 10-20 minutes lol. (The game would crash peoples systems within seconds of launch) the reviews were overwhelmingly negative due to these crashes, and saying exactly what I describe.

 

(Now Here is my point and issue)

 

I was able to recreate this on my very own Z690 APEX “Turd edition” the board had weak memory dimms, and even DDR5 7000 was a stretch. My system was not stable at all!! And “The Last of Us” crashed because of this instability. It wasn’t the game, it was totally fine. It was my computers own stability causing this. With slower memory speeds it was fine on the Z690 Apex. Even with DDR5 8200+ on my MSI Unify-X this would crash. (8200+ was not stable) so it makes sense.
 

Sony released an update that fixed this crashing, but this makes me wonder… is everyone’s system really so unstable they are actually blaming it on the game? 
 

I knew “The Last Of Us” did not work on my system with DDR5 8200 with my Unify-X because well, DDR5 8200 was not stable. But, since updating the game and applying their magical “”Crash while building shaders fix”” I can now play it with DDR5 8200… The issue was not the game, but the fact that If your PC was not 100% solid solid solid, it was gonna be wiped out by The Last Of Us during the initial launch version with its heavy load Shader compiling lol. This was actually one of the best stability test around. Because if it closed on compile immediately if your system was not stable lol. 

 

Not sure what they did, but they essentially fixed a problem that wasn’t even a problem with the game at all. Too heavy of a load for the average computers I suppose is the only problem. 
 

And people are still blaming the game for being crap even though it has been fixed. It is made like this was the developers fault entirely. This is really interesting to me, because the game was always fine so long as your PC was legit stable. 

 

Sugi0luver said the exact same thing, when this title first launched. And I quote: “YOU’d better be STABLE for this one” 😂

 

I literally made a YouTube video saying exactly this. If you are crashing during shader compilations or the game, then guess what, YOU AREN'T STABLE lol. But a lot of "tuners" set undervolts or XMP/Memory OC and get away with it until they don't. I had 0 crashes during initial launch, game ran actually pretty good, with some new scene 5 second fps drops. But overall very smooth and beautiful fun game. But what do you expect, PC gaming has had a huge explosion of normies over the last 5 years. More and more iBUYPOWER GAMERZZZ that don't truly understand what they're doing. I'm happy they're here, but the collective knowledge pool has definitely taken a hit. 

[Mr. Fox]

25 minutes ago, Talon said:

PC gaming has had a huge explosion of normies over the last 5 years. More and more iBUYPOWER GAMERZZZ that don't truly understand what they're doing. I'm happy they're here, but the collective knowledge pool has definitely taken a hit. 

Speaking of collective knowledge pool as it relates to gaming...

 

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Speaking of collective knowledge pool as it relates to gaming...

 

 

They are just trying to catch up to CSGO (except perhaps the console USB device detection thing, since there is no CSGO on consoles: too fast and complicated never heard of anyone playing CSGO on a console lol). Would be interesting to know how effective those measures are, especially if they utilise weak-a... warnings, instead of no-warning bans. They are touting the ability to record and replay top-tier games, something CSGO has had from the start for all games, and more seasoned reputable players get to review the games as well. 

 

They are saying "a team" will be reviewing gameplay videos. LOL, good luck policing a 1M++ player base that way. 

 

Despite all those advanced automated and human game review measures, CSGO was still infested with cheaters, both on Valve servers and on eSports "enhanced security" platforms like FaceIt (requiring a low-level anticheat loaded with Windows). It's just the stakes weren't high enough. If a cheater gets banned, they just create another account and spend $20 on another game licence.

 

Consoles are not immune either, especially older ones get heavily hacked by cheaters, we are not even talking about kb+m mods, which don't really do that much. 

 

Some people are just a bit stuck on the left side of the bell curve (which is probably not their fault, but still), and consequently feel like there is no choice but to cheat in order to have any fun at all, never mind the fact they spoil the game for everyone else. Others simply cannot compete on their desired (sometimes very high) level - includes some "celebrities" such as streamers and "pros", and if there is a technical edge to gain, they will go for it, especially if it's not strictly illegal, as in the police won't ram their door at dawn for it. Lastly, some people just enjoy cheating and scr..ing other people, they probably wouldn't even bother playing in a legit way.

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

They are just trying to catch up to CSGO (except perhaps the console USB device detection thing, since there is no CSGO on consoles: too fast and complicated never heard of anyone playing CSGO on a console lol). Would be interesting to know how effective those measures are, especially if they utilise weak-a... warnings, instead of no-warning bans. They are touting the ability to record and replay top-tier games, something CSGO has had from the start for all games, and more seasoned reputable players get to review the games as well. 

 

They are saying "a team" will be reviewing gameplay videos. LOL, good luck policing a 1M++ player base that way. 

 

Despite all those advanced automated and human game review measures, CSGO was still infested with cheaters, both on Valve servers and on eSports "enhanced security" platforms like FaceIt (requiring a low-level anticheat loaded with Windows). It's just the stakes weren't high enough. If a cheater gets banned, they just create another account and spend $20 on another game licence.

 

Consoles are not immune either, especially older ones get heavily hacked by cheaters, we are not even talking about kb+m mods, which don't really do that much. 

 

Some people are just a bit stuck on the left side of the bell curve (which is probably not their fault, but still), and consequently feel like there is no choice but to cheat in order to have any fun at all, never mind the fact they spoil the game for everyone else. Others simply cannot compete on their desired (sometimes very high) level - includes some "celebrities" such as streamers and "pros", and if there is a technical edge to gain, they will go for it, especially if it's not strictly illegal, as in the police won't ram their door at dawn for it. Lastly, some people just enjoy cheating and scr..ing other people, they probably wouldn't even bother playing in a legit way.

A side benefit, and a partial reason behind it, for me having no interest in online multiplayer gaming is the cheating like they demonstrated with snipers that are invisible or too far away from the point of focus for any normal player to know they are there. Lots of other reasons, too. Offline single-player campaign is just more enjoyable to me even without the reasons.

 

Playing solo, I do enjoy using cheat codes for god mode, all weapons and ammo, etc. It makes the game more fun to me. When I game, which isn't very frequent, it is generally for enjoying the thrill of the kill versus demonstrating skill. (And, there you go... I'm a poet, too. LOL.) Playing solo, there is nothing to demonstrate or prove... my best friends (me, myself and I) don't care. 😉

[tps3443]

3 hours ago, Talon said:

 

I literally made a YouTube video saying exactly this. If you are crashing during shader compilations or the game, then guess what, YOU AREN'T STABLE lol. But a lot of "tuners" set undervolts or XMP/Memory OC and get away with it until they don't. I had 0 crashes during initial launch, game ran actually pretty good, with some new scene 5 second fps drops. But overall very smooth and beautiful fun game. But what do you expect, PC gaming has had a huge explosion of normies over the last 5 years. More and more iBUYPOWER GAMERZZZ that don't truly understand what they're doing. I'm happy they're here, but the collective knowledge pool has definitely taken a hit. 

Same, that’s so funny! I was having a blast playing, then I read through the reviews afterwards thinking, what in the world? Game ran amazing on my rig. Even with older 3090. Such consistent GPU usage, it runs even better with Spectre Win 11, games now uses all P-Cores and E-Cores. It’s really great. 

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Same, that’s so funny! I was having a blast playing, then I read through the reviews afterwards thinking, what in the world? Game ran amazing on my rig. Even with older 3090. Such consistent GPU usage, it runs even better with Spectre Win 11, games now uses all P-Cores and E-Cores. It’s really great. 

 

How do you know that the usage reported by this 3rd party modified system is real, and that the resources are spent on gaming rather than on some other tasks (in case your PC unfortunately became a part of a botnet, say)? The fact that you noticed a significant discrepancy in resource utilisation is somewhat strange. It should be the same system underneath, and idle Windows 11 uses 1% of CPU or so. 

 

One particularly bad outcome here would be that the PC ends up getting involved in some illegal activity and you end up with the FBI politely knocking at your door to see if everything is OK. 

[tps3443]

41 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

 

How do you know that the usage reported by this 3rd party modified system is real, and that the resources are spent on gaming rather than on some other tasks (in case your PC unfortunately became a part of a botnet, say)? The fact that you noticed a significant discrepancy in resource utilisation is somewhat strange. It should be the same system underneath, and idle Windows 11 uses 1% of CPU or so. 

 

One particularly bad outcome here would be that the PC ends up getting involved in some illegal activity and you end up with the FBI politely knocking at your door to see if everything is OK. 

 

Windows 11 Spectre is the best! Ghost Spectre makes a custom catered OS for Gamers/benchers. No bloat, no excess resources burning in the background. 
 

My system idles at 0% cpu usage. And the E-Cores are being used now in gaming. Regular Windows 11 just parks them. 
 

Run any benchmark before and after and see the boost right before your eyes. Higher Memory bandwidth, lower memory latency, higher 3DMark, Cinebench, CPU-Z bench. They all score substantially higher. 
 

Cutting the excess fat off of an OS provides better gaming performance. Less waste, and lower power consumption. 
 

Back doors? Who knows Lol. I’m sure windows 10/11 already has those. I’m gaming and working. I don’t keep anything personal on my computer anyways. 
 

https://youtu.be/KFDxB_tmxKw

[Clamibot]

I normally don't like handhelds, and I absolutely detest BGA hardware, but I decided to get a Steam Deck since they were on sale during the Steam Spring sale. I wanted to see what all the rage was about.

 

I've beein messing aorund with my Deck for a few weeks now, and surprisingly I like this thing quite a bit. Being able to play my PC games on the go has been a dream of mine ever since I was in elementary school, and now we have a PC gaming handheld that actually has semi-decent performance. There's still quite a ways to go, but it's a start.

 

Being a hardware enthusiast and all, I didn't hesitate to start teaking things. I never run anything stock. It has to be custom tuned by me. That's one of the most fun parts of getting a new computer. There's a new adventure to find the performance ceiling of your new device!

 

The first thing I did was proceed to overclock the screen. The screen runs at 60 Hz at stock, but I can get it up to 70 Hz before artifacting occurs. 72 Hz is the highest it'lll go before giving out completely. I then overclocked the CPU to 4 GHz and overclocked the GPU to 2.1 GHz. This required increasing the power limit to 35 watts to get the clock increases sustained. The Deck runs much hotter as a result, but this was expected and I'm not thermal throttling yet. The total APU power consumtion never actually reached 35 watts, max was around 25.

 

The processing power this device has in such a small power envelope is really making me reevaluate my priorities and wants in regards to computer hardware. Laptops never turned out to be what I wanted them to be, and real soon I won't want to have anything to do with them if LGA options don't return. I've made my return to desktops and decided to make my builds portable if I ever need lots of computing power to take with me from one place to another. For computing on the go, modern PC gaming handhelds may just be a viable alternative to laptops for me.

 

The DTRs of old were awesome and all, but let's face it, gaming while walking around isn't an option with a laptop. Battery life sucks too. I've never had a laptop that got more than 3 hours off a charge. For my purposes, a portable desktop would be less convenient than a DTR, but would serve the same function for me. The hit I take in convenience wouldn't be much of a big deal.

 

With my Steam Deck, I can pull it out of my backpack and game some whereever I am, put it to sleep, put it back in my backpack, and then take it out again sometime later to resume my gaming session. I can even game while walking around! Gaming on the Steam Deck is convenient everywhere!

 

I'm really excited with the announcement of the Asus ROG Ally. That's gonna be a Steam Deck on steroids, and I'm gonna like it a lot more given its 120 Hz screen and it's ability to actually reach 120 FPS in games. You guys who've known me for a while know I'm a high framerate snob, so you bet I'm going to buy the ROG Ally and enjoy the hell out of it.

 

But yeah, extra long post from me this time since I haven't posted anything in a while. I just had a lot to say. To sum it all up, I'm thinking of going with a portable desktop + powerful PC gaming handheld combo for my future setups. That'll give me my portable moster rig on the go, and give me an ultraportable handheld for gaming anywhere, which is what I wanted out of laptops in the first place. This should give me exactly what I want while costing less than my previous setups.

 

Or you know, the cost savings on my portable devices just go into making my desktop even more of a monster rig. 🤣

[Papusan]

3 hours ago, Clamibot said:

I normally don't like handhelds, and I absolutely detest BGA hardware, but I decided to get a Steam Deck since they were on sale during the Steam Spring sale......

3 hours ago, Clamibot said:

The processing power this device has in such a small power envelope is really making me reevaluate my priorities and wants....... 

3 hours ago, Clamibot said:

Being a hardware enthusiast and all.......

Great match😁 Don't kill it in anger, LOOL

 

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https://hwbot.org/submission/5251561_papusan_3dmark___cloud_gate_geforce_gtx_750_ti_39148_marks?recalculate=true

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5251671_papusan_unigine_heaven___xtreme_geforce_gtx_750_ti_1705.6_dx11_marks?recalculate=true

[Mr. Fox]

Banshee got an upgrade to her cooling system. But, it's more of an upgrade for my benefit than hers. I've always loved the EK-Pro manifold from the day that I installed the first one. It makes managing a loop and removing individual components so stupidly easy. And, it also improves flow rate. When you have a loop with components in series or parallel, the most restrictive component affects the flow rate for all of the others. With the manifold that problem is eliminated. Each components has its own flow rate based on its own throughput capacity. Banshee also finally earned the privilege of having a waterblock added to her memory jackets. The 4-DIMM block is not as attractive as the 2-DIMM version, but the 4-DIMM motherboard  is a compromise on multiple counts. The sticks are too far apart to use a 2-DIMM block, even though I only use two.