*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Raiderman]

30 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Second 13900k or is this your first?

What is the ratio to CM adapters melting versus original adapters?

 

 

lol, "stable enough" exactly.

 

I grow weary of those who want you to pound your hardware to the red line hours on end to prove some mythical level of stability that transcends your own daily needs.

 

 

 

Do you tend to spill on your keyboards? 🙂

 

 

Agree...seeing threads about running prime 95 for 48 hours etc ...I just chuckle to myself, and think "idiot"

[Papusan]

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Second 13900k or is this your first?

What is the ratio to CM adapters melting versus original adapters?

Same old 13900K.

 

Only God knows. But I have only seen 1 or two orginal 12VHPWR cables burn up the last 5 weeks. My best guess... CableMod will never ever release the real melting numbers... So maybe 2 vs 60++++(CM adapters as the latter).

 

Finally some smart engineers. Sligh redesigned PSU compatible with ATX3.0 and PCIe5.0 standards.... But with real 8pins connectors on the PSU side of the 12VHPWR cable. So there is still hope in humanity bro @Mr. Fox

 

 

But Corsair should have offered two of the 12VHPWR cables and not only one. HX1500i isn't exactly a cheapo made products. It comes with 10 years warranty. Put in a second 12VHPWR cable, please.

 

CORSAIR HX1500i ATX 3.0: 1,500W Platinum Power Supply with ATX3.0/PCIe5.0 Support

By Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 06/30/2023 08:59 AM 

Corsair announced the launch of their new power supply unit, the "X1500i ATX 3.0 (model number: CP-9020261). This power supply unit has obtained the 80PLUS PLATINUM certification and is capable of delivering 1,500W of power. 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5304077_papusan_3dmark___fire_strike_(gpu)_geforce_gtx_970_15115_marks

[ryan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Do you tend to spill on your keyboards?

yes, yes i do lol...well i used to drink alot now im sober as a gopher. spilled soup on my sager laptop/asus/hp elitebook...ha i dont know but this is the only laptop i havent wrecked with soup or coffee. booze and laptops dont mix

[electrosoft]

Absolutely insane end game custom water cooled 7800X3D/4090 ITX build in a 10L Formd T1 V2 (note the garbage ichill 4090 pulling 30-40 more watts than the FE 4090 for the same performance):

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Absolutely insane end game custom water cooled 7800X3D/4090 ITX build in a 10L Formd T1 V2 (note the garbage ichill 4090 pulling 30-40 more watts than the FE 4090 for the same performance):

 

 

Not more to say.... 

 

And probably not bro @Mr. Foxfirst choice either. And here is another Pc build you also should avoid at all costs..... 

 

[Tenoroon]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

"If you're looking to play indie games that have fewer demanding graphics, we'd recommend going with something like an Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 or a Radeon RX 6900XT."



They just want the unknowing consumer to CONSUME!!! I'm willing to bet my life that most Indie games will run great on a Sandy Bridge system with a Maxwell GPU. There is no need for an RTX 3070 and even a 6900XT for those kinds of games! It kills me that they are misleading people this hard!! Hell, you could probably buy/build an entire system just to play Indie games cheaper than the cost of a 3070 or 6900XT itself.

[electrosoft]

SFF buildout update (and some 8000 module testing on the Z790i and Asus Z790 Hero):

 

Since I went with this 22" display for travel I finally returned the still new and sealed 4090 FE  last week as I don't need all that power for 1080p 144hz gaming. I had picked up the 22" display open box for $80. Now I will either just use my daughter's Asus 3070 KO in there when traveling or wait to pick up a dirt cheap 6700xt/6750xt or even a well priced 4060ti for the outstanding thermals and pull. I am just looking for the best GPU at the best price (new or used) that can do 144hz near locked at 1080p at the lowest pull/thermals.

 

I returned the N200R and ordered THIS Hyte Revolt 3 w/ 700w PSU SFF for what is a great price. I love the much better air flow and handle on top. Since I'm not using a 4090 in there but something much less powerful that gets me a near locked 1080p 144hz experience in WoW, Diablo IV and Fallout 76 max settings. I'm going to give the 3070 a testing day on that 22" display in the test rig with the Z790i setup to see what dials it in fps wise and adjust from there.

 

I've been testing these M-dies and while the G.Fail's will boot up to 7200 they are actually only truly stable at 6400.  At 6600+ they will hang with a yellow DRAM light half the time no matter what I do. This is the same set I had to get a replacement for another set. I can't blame G.Skill though as they DO perform as advertised at 6400 (passed TM5, WMD and Memtest86) but they are terrible overclockers and since G.skill is selling M-die sticks for kits rated from 6000 up to 7200 now it would make sense for them to bin as much as possible for proper placement and profit.

 

The other M-dies which the seller from last year told me topped out at 6800 and then topped out at 6800 on my Z690 Unify when I had it also topped out at 6800 on the Z790i Edge so I can confirm that yes, their max is 6800. 🙂 They boot consistently. Looking at benchmarks for DDR5, the difference between 6400-8000 isn't as massive as I thought. 5-10fps max.

 

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I had a chance to test out a pair of GEIL 8000 sticks on the Z790i Edge board while helping another buddy in central NJ with his system. I wanted to see if they would boot at 8000 in case I want to get better memory down the road and they did  and 8200 but that was it so I know if I pick up a pair of 8000 rated DDR5 sticks my Z790i and 13900ks are good to go. They wouldn't make it past post with an orange light of DRAM fail >8200 with some QnD testing. Maybe with time and work they would have went higher but the objective was to get his 13700k + Z790 Hero up and running as he was having problems (and we need him for our Fallout 76 daily ops team lol).

 

Clear and obvious problem was a slightly bent CPU socket pin that took about 60 seconds to straighten out. (He could neither confirm nor deny if the pin was bent when installing the CPU.....wink wink).

 

Swapping components back and forth his 13700k IMC topped out at 7200 (barf) and Hero at 7600 (more 4 slot barf). 🤣 This was testing on those GEIL 2x16GB modules across both systems. Basically:

 

My 13900KS + Z790i Edge + Gell 8000 = 8200 max post

My 13900KS + Z790 Hero + Geil 8000 = 7600 max post

13700k + Z790i Edge + Geil 8000 = 7200 max post

13700k + Z790 Hero + Geil 8000 = 7200 max post

 

He might return it since Asus officially claims it supports 7800+ and try to get an Apex or switch to another 2 slot MB. I told him if you're not going to upgrade to a 13900k and you don't care about the refresh you could pick from many much cheaper Z790 and Z690 boards (even B760) and extract the same amount of performance out of that 13700k. Might as well return those almost $300 sticks too and go with much cheaper sticks and end up overall saving ~$500. I told him I'd come back up and help him rebuild everything next time.

 

FYI, he's coming from a 7700k and 1070 just retired a few weeks ago and upgrade to the above and and a 4070 FE and upgraded his 24" 60hz 1080p to a 27" 1440p 165hz display. Fallout 76 already had him banging his head off the wall performance wise but Diablo IV was the deal breaker as it ran like garbage. He is in for a major gaming upgrade but I feel like the Z790 Hero and those Geil sticks are wasted around that 13700k with the meh IMC.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Talon]

On 7/1/2023 at 4:19 PM, tps3443 said:

I am wondering if PCI-E X8@Gen 5 can fully provide the bandwidth for a overclocked RTX4090. I imagine it probably can. That’s one nice advantage to the Z790 Apex. At least both X16 slots are Gen5 capable. So if you do use the expansion card, your bandwidth to the GPU should be just as good.

 

@Mr. Fox

 

Maybe you can test this with the 3DMark PCI-E bandwidth feature test. It’s a quick test. And see what Gen5 X16 vs Gen5 X8 provides. It may be identical. You have a 4090, so this would really demonstrate if you lose any frames or bandwidth at all. I think even x8 Gen4 would be enough. I’m seriously curious. 

Next Gen GPU will be Gen 5. 

 

X8 Gen5 will be same as x16 4.0. Not a chance it gets saturated by next Gen. 

[Mr. Fox]

14 hours ago, Papusan said:

Not more to say.... 

 

And probably not bro @Mr. Foxfirst choice either.

No, not interested. Although that would be better than flushing money down the toilet on an Alienware pile of excrement. I understand why some people think SFF is cute. It would need to serve a legit purpose that warrants compromises. Loving it only for its cuteness sucks.

 

Dawid has an entertaining new video involving a Shuttle SFF PC from Amazon.

[tps3443]

The last of us (Shader Compile) and gaming at 8800. I have not seen a single BSOD, WHEA, or crash on this profile. 🤷‍♂️

 

https://youtu.be/C3jRRKQuw1g

 

 

[ryan]

Trying out nvidias newest drivers. typically the newer ones are terrible with benchmarks but I managed to change enough to get comparable framerates to older drivers here my highest timespy with the newest

 

 

 

the benchmarks don't tell the whole story, Im getting 3070 performance in some games which is pretty fantastic. heres a benchmark from an actual game(SOTTR) stock clocks as its pointless overclocking and playing games. with an overclock ill get 5-10fps more at 60fps it only helps in one of my 500 games(grid legends) where 56fps feels like 20fps and 60 must be locked in and not dip for a great experience

 

 

@tps3443do you have crysis remastered? I can't remember if you do. I know you are using a 4k monitor do you think its possible for you to test crysis RM at 4k can it run crysis settings no aa no dlss. Im curious how a laptop 3060 compares as all the benchmarks on youtube are from 2 years ago long before all the optimizations crytek has done. would be awesome if you could

 

getting closer to a spot on timespy extreme, just hard competing with a lesser(older) cpu

within 3.5 percent of top spot

 

Result (3dmark.com)

[Mr. Fox]

9 hours ago, tps3443 said:

The last of us (Shader Compile) and gaming at 8800. I have not seen a single BSOD, WHEA, or crash on this profile. 🤷‍♂️

 

https://youtu.be/C3jRRKQuw1g

This is only using 1.350V on the memory. Surprisingly, it passed memory tests without errors even though it hit 64°C in the process. I've never seen memory pass stability tests at that temperature. If I overclock the memory more it gets heat-related errors at a lower temperature. I think maybe the sloppy loose tRFC and tREFI might be what allows it to get this hot without erroring out. I know the sloppy timings help it run lower voltage at the sacrifice of higher latency.

 

[Papusan]

All you gain with the slight redesign is that the 12V-2x6 connector will be backwards compatible with12VHPWR connectors. + a few less cases with burned up graphics cards. But this don't eliminate the major problem. This is almost as put "lipstick on a pig". Its still a pig. Pig or plug, does it matter, HaHa

 

 

 

16-Pin Power Connector Gets A Much-Needed Revision, Meet The New 12V-2x6 Connector

 

Too expensive and too much work make a brand new connector (Most of PSU manufacturers have already done the design and launched their new shiny overpriced ATX 3.0 PSUs).

 

You like bad jokes bro @Mr. Fox?🤔

[Mr. Fox]

32 minutes ago, Papusan said:

16-Pin Power Connector Gets A Much-Needed Revision, Meet The New 12V-2x6 Connector

 

You like jokes bro @Mr. Fox?🤔

It may not improve the connector enough to matter, but SIG getting involved and calling for a redesign highlights the fact that the original design is flawed and creates an unnecessary degree of risk for melted connections. I personally do not think the brand or connector matters, it's just a garbage design defect that is too small, too weak, and too easy to not be fully seated or work loose over time.

[Papusan]

59 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

It may not improve the connector enough to matter, but SIG getting involved and calling for a redesign highlights the fact that the original design is flawed and creates an unnecessary degree of risk for melted connections. I personally do not think the brand or connector matters, it's just a garbage design defect that is too small, too weak, and too easy to not be fully seated or work loose over time.

I don't think so.... PSU brands own forums isn't filled up with burned up connectors as with the CM adapters. Even CableMod said the failure rate on their custom vanilla 12VHPWR cables was almost none. Aka totally opposite to the angled adapters disaster. Either a massive QC problems with the adapters or they are made wrong. Trash is still trash bro Fox. But add more failur points to the same fragile and thiny 12VHPWR connector is bad. Or just plain stupid. I won't touch any of their angled adapters. And with the HOF you have two connectors aka less chance for the smoke and fire... I still don't want them. And the best part. With a big box you shouldn't be afraid for bendgate.

 

I rather sit still in my plaza watching the failure rate go on and go on. What is a day without the usual Adapter smoke and I can enjoy my good smokin cigars, LOOL

 

Edit. I get 1 file would exceed the total allowed size of 5.338kB, and have to drop post pict the last couple of days. Have I used up the limited places for pict/images on the forum?

 

I have to take pict from my OC.net post to be able to post pict directly. I don't bother with pict sharing sites. The pict tend to disappear after a while.

 

This is from an thread I follow on Igorslab. He have been very quiet the last 5 weeks about this problem. Maybe because Igorslab really haven't found the real problem. And Igor Wallosek support CableMod so....

 

[tps3443]

5 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

This is only using 1.350V on the memory. Surprisingly, it passed memory tests without errors even though it hit 64°C in the process. I've never seen memory pass stability tests at that temperature. If I overclock the memory more it gets heat-related errors at a lower temperature. I think maybe the sloppy loose tRFC and tREFI might be what allows it to get this hot without erroring out. I know the sloppy timings help it run lower voltage at the sacrifice of higher latency.

 

Yep, it’s crazy. I tested a very very similar profile, and discovered that exact thing with 2x24GB. It can run passive at 8000-8200 and pass anything with temps even in the 60’s lol. It is really something. 
 

My Team Group 7200’s would be beyond a BSOD at only 50C+ with no OC using just XMP and maybe 5,000 on the tREFI.

 

PS: You can bump the tREFI and still get them really really hot without much trouble. 

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

I have to take pict from my OC.net post to be able to post pict directly. I don't bother with pict sharing sites. The pict tend to disappear after a while.

 

This is from an thread I follow on Igorslab. He have been very quiet the last 5 weeks about this problem. Maybe because Igorslab really haven't found the real problem. And Igor Wallosek support CableMod so....

I have the same problem with images. I have to upload everything to have the image hosted elsewhere, or link images I posted in another forum.

 

I do not believe it is a "Cablemod problem" per se. It seems like it to some people because they are the biggest and at the center of attention, but not based on their QC. The design of the connector is flawed and leads to random examples of melted connections, and the biggest number of them involves the largest aftermarket manufacturer. 

 

I think the reason the ugly NVIDIA pigtail adapter is so short is that it minimizes heat with more cables carrying the current most of the length of the circuit and the load is distributed more broadly. I suspect it was designed that way on purpose because it was too late for the Green Goblin to admit it made a terrible engineering mistake after making it the new standard and shipping GPUs that incorporated it.

44 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Yep, it’s crazy. I tested a very very similar profile, and discovered that exact thing with 2x24GB. It can run passive at 8000-8200 and pass anything with temps even in the 60’s lol. It is really something. 
 

My Team Group 7200’s would be beyond a BSOD at only 50C+ with no OC using just XMP and maybe 5,000 on the tREFI.

 

PS: You can bump the tREFI and still get them really really hot without much trouble. 

Yeah, as soon as I have a few hours with nothing better to do I am going to bathe these in paint thinner so I can pull the heat sinks off and get them under water. They're 25-30°C cooler under water than they are with a fan blowing on the stock heating blankets.

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So, the Redmond Retards are gearing up to molest everyone with Winduhz moving to the cloud with a monthly subscription. Knew it was coming, because they're dishonest shysters. Glad I started getting comfortable with Linux some time ago. There is no way in hell I would pay these imbeciles a monthly fee to use their trashy trash OS. They can bob over and kiss my unwashed bobo.

 

 

[Reciever]

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 can enjoy my good smokin cigars, LOOL

 

Edit. I get 1 file would exceed the total allowed size of 5.338kB, and have to drop post pict the last couple of days. Have I used up the limited places for pict/images on the forum?

I have to take pict from my OC.net post to be able to post pict directly. I don't bother with pict sharing sites. The pict tend to disappear after a while.

 

 

 

Yes. Free only takes you so far in terms of image hosting on this forum.

 

I am hoping to get that changed, but it is what it is for the time being.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I have the same problem with images. I have to upload everything to have the image hosted elsewhere, or link images I posted in another forum.

 

Something is weird. Remember all the problems I had with no access to the forum outside use an VPM and the phones own internet.... My IPS vendor couldn't find anything wrong with mu main network/broadband. Hence they never made changes as they said to me. Suddenly I can use the forum the ordianry way. On all phones and pc's. Hmmm

 

2 hours ago, Reciever said:

Yes. Free only takes you so far in terms of image hosting on this forum.

 

I am hoping to get that changed, but it is what it is for the time being.

 

Yep, I know. But can I remove older pics so I can start post new pictures? But that will destroy some of the older posts I have made. I'm not for the free file image sharing sites. Pictures will disappear with time on all forums. And double work if you want post on the forum.

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I do not believe it is a "Cablemod problem" per se. It seems like it to some people because they are the biggest and at the center of attention, but not based on their QC. The design of the connector is flawed and leads to random examples of melted connections, and the biggest number of them involves the largest aftermarket manufacturer. 

 

I think the reason the ugly NVIDIA pigtail adapter is so short is that it minimizes heat with more cables carrying the current most of the length of the circuit and the load is distributed more broadly. I suspect it was designed that way on purpose because it was too late for the Green Goblin to admit it made a terrible engineering mistake after making it the new standard and shipping GPUs that incorporated it.

 

Remember that those 80,000 figures of 90/180 degree CM adapters are distributed for the whole range of 4000 series cards. Aka millions sold cards the last 8 months. People want them for the looks, better cable management + some wnat them beacuse they have very small PC boxes for the new bigger modern graphics cards (The cable bend factor).

 

Then you have all the CM adapters that sit in the shelves in the different webstores that sell CableMod products. Amount sold adapters doesn't reflect that there is pushed out 80.000 adapters. Maybe 60% of them is in the GPU owners hands. The failure rate is probably a lot higher than what we have been told. I stand with what I say about the adapters. They should be re-called. Every single of them. Use proper 12VHPWR cables from the PSU manufacturer or in worst case the Nvidia pigtail. I expect also the CM 12VHPWR cables is okish to use. You can't fix flawed engineering mistakes as the minfit power connector. Hence if you absolutely need to make a custom variant of it then make as small changes as you can.

 

 

 

 

CableMod custom 12VHPWR quality.....

Gave up on the 180 12v

And this is also NICE! I expected this also would happen.

 

"completely understand your frustration. Unfortunately, our warranty terms do state the warranty only applies if purchased newly manufactured on the date of purchase. If this was purchased from Ebay we do not sell directly to this eShop so it would be second hand.

 

And guess who sold him the card?😆

 

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(PCI-SIG with Intel should take all the blame and offer people a free new OEM cable when the next gen Nvidia hit the streets). Yet, another reason not to jump on new ATX 3.0 PSUs. They will be outdated with new ATX version. And what is better than 2x8-pin to 12v micro-fit cable? New is new. Not better.

 

From 4:25 

 

[Reciever]

@Papusan Yes that is exactly right.

 

Im trying to set up a time to work with my friend for getting us more storage options. Its been on my mind for some time, even before all the drama occurred due to this exact issue.

[tps3443]

11 hours ago, ryan said:

Trying out nvidias newest drivers. typically the newer ones are terrible with benchmarks but I managed to change enough to get comparable framerates to older drivers here my highest timespy with the newest

 

 

 

the benchmarks don't tell the whole story, Im getting 3070 performance in some games which is pretty fantastic. heres a benchmark from an actual game(SOTTR) stock clocks as its pointless overclocking and playing games. with an overclock ill get 5-10fps more at 60fps it only helps in one of my 500 games(grid legends) where 56fps feels like 20fps and 60 must be locked in and not dip for a great experience

 

 

@tps3443do you have crysis remastered? I can't remember if you do. I know you are using a 4k monitor do you think its possible for you to test crysis RM at 4k can it run crysis settings no aa no dlss. Im curious how a laptop 3060 compares as all the benchmarks on youtube are from 2 years ago long before all the optimizations crytek has done. would be awesome if you could

 

getting closer to a spot on timespy extreme, just hard competing with a lesser(older) cpu

within 3.5 percent of top spot

 

Result (3dmark.com)

Which remastered version of Crysis? I actually do own them on Epic Games! Intel gave me all of them when I bought an 11900K back in 2021. 

I see all of these:
Crysis 1 Remastered
Crysis 2 Remastered
Crysis 3 Remastered

Also, what graphics settings? 

[Papusan]

On 7/1/2023 at 4:34 PM, Raiderman said:

I have one of those crucial ssd's loaded in my cart, eagerly awaiting the checkout process 😁

Yep very fun with modern tech as etc SSD's. Microsoft really hate them, LOOL

 

No, these aren't the same storage speed issues we saw back in 2021, nor the network transfer speed bug that came up early this year. This issue also doesn't appear to be the same one Microsoft addressed last year. This is a different and more pernicious problem that seems to be harder to nail down, because nobody has been able to offer a concrete explanation for it—or a real fix.

 

Windows 11 Is Still Destroying SSD Speeds On Some PCs And There's No Fix In Sight

 

If you use Windows 11, how's your SSD doing? Ever since March of this year, users have been complaining of drastically reduced write performance on solid-state drives due to Windows updates, and the issue has gotten progressively worse. If you've felt like your system is slowing down over time this year, this could be..... 

 

23 hours ago, Papusan said:

Not more to say.... 

 

And probably not bro @Mr. Foxfirst choice either. And here is another Pc build you also should avoid at all costs..... 

 

 

I'm sure people will jump on the Alienware bandwagon to Hell....

 

Early Prime Day Deals Offer Big Savings On Echo Buds, Fire HD 10, Alienware Aurora And More

 

If you're itching for a PC upgrade, you can score a decked-out Alienware Aurora 14 configuration for $1,845.14 at Amazon (save $454.83). The meaty discount comes as a result of waiting for last-gen architectures to drop in price, which they have.

 

 

[ryan]

57 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Crysis 1 Remastered

this, hehe the best one IMHO. Its old but pretty damn fun to play. I was actually just playing it about 5 mins ago. I get 24fps average maxed no aa or dlss at 4k using the gpu benchmark tool. 

 

I am pretty sure if my memory serves me correctly, a 3080 gets about 30fps on average at 4k maxed no dlss. my 3060 shouldn't be getting 24fps but it definetly is. goes from 20-36fps not really playable but I think the culprit is the tweaks I applied, alot of people on youtube don't do much in the form of optimising their stuff to get the most from their computers. people here are kinda in the top 1 percent, Im a newb and on 3dmark im in the top 2 per cent with the 3060 benchmarks. I have alot to learn yet and im getting there. its fun learning new things everyday but im kinda wishing I bought a desktop vs this heat trap.

 

 

if you do test crysis, notice the lows and highs. I think if you get about 50fps average your doing good

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, Reciever said:

Yes. Free only takes you so far in terms of image hosting on this forum.

 

I am hoping to get that changed, but it is what it is for the time being.

I know it is not "free" and there is no reason you should incur the expense personally. It is a modest inconvenience for those to enjoy being part of this community. Those who contribute the most will be the ones that run out of space fastest.

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

Remember that those 80,000 figures of 90/180 degree CM adapters are distributed for the whole range of 4000 series cards. Aka millions sold cards the last 8 months. People want them for the looks, better cable management + some wnat them beacuse they have very small PC boxes for the new bigger modern graphics cards (The cable bend factor).

 

Then you have all the CM adapters that sit in the shelves in the different webstores that sell CableMod products. Amount sold adapters doesn't reflect that there is pushed out 80.000 adapters. Maybe 60% of them is in the GPU owners hands. The failure rate is probably a lot higher than what we have been told. I stand with what I say about the adapters. They should be re-called. Every single of them. Use proper 12VHPWR cables from the PSU manufacturer or in worst case the Nvidia pigtail. I expect also the CM 12VHPWR cables is okish to use. You can't fix flawed engineering mistakes as the minfit power connector. Hence if you absolutely need to make a custom variant of it then make as small changes as you can.

The whole thing is just a mess. I think the majority of people are not using the ugly stock pigtail and I don't think we have the ability to truly understand numbers or assess fault beyond the flawed engineering of the 12VHPWR connector. If Cablemod did not exist and everyone was using the ugly stock pigtail adapter, it is possible the number of failures would be similar. We don't know what we don't know. All we can do is make assumptions and best guesses and do our best to connect securely and monitor the quality of the connection to be confident the cable is staying fully seated/inserted during normal use. I am using the stock 12VHPWR cable provided by Corsair with the PSU.

 

I thought it was reported that the new design would be backward compatible with existing first-generation 12VHPWR connections, but apparently not. 

[Reciever]

33 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I know it is not "free" and there is no reason you should incur the expense personally. It is a modest inconvenience for those to enjoy being part of this community. Those who contribute the most will be the ones that run out of space fastest.

The whole thing is just a mess. I think the majority of people are not using the ugly stock pigtail and I don't think we have the ability to truly understand numbers or assess fault beyond the flawed engineering of the 12VHPWR connector. If Cablemod did not exist and everyone was using the ugly stock pigtail adapter, it is possible the number of failures would be similar. We don't know what we don't know. All we can do is make assumptions and best guesses and do our best to connect securely and monitor the quality of the connection to be confident the cable is staying fully seated/inserted during normal use. I am using the stock 12VHPWR cable provided by Corsair with the PSU.

 

I thought it was reported that the new design would be backward compatible with existing first-generation 12VHPWR connections, but apparently not. 

Yes but I think if people want to contribute we can arrange some kind of sub/contribution model that not only increases their own privileges but scales to other members to some degree. More engagement should be encouraged typically speaking under normal business models, but this forum is straight out of pocket for now which limits things.

 

Obviously many use the forum and that hasnt changed sicne we started this thing up, hasnt crashed and burned yet so I think its time to begin some investments of my own and open up those avenues.