*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

I came very close to buying an MSI 4080 today for under $800 brand new. I decided not to, but I think that is a very good deal. NewEgg offers trade-ins now and that was after applying a $400 trade-in value for the 6900 XT. I also came very close to grabbing a Sparkle A770 for under $300, but changed my mind on that, too. I looked for a waterblock for the A770 and could not find one. I'm not interested in operating an air-cooled GPU even if it runs as cool as the Sparkle A770 is reported to (~60°C under full load). I am really interested in seeing how Battlemage fares against the 4080 and 7900 XTX.

[tps3443]

10 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

I flashed the new bios once I got the board. Both Apex boards is good (White and black). A lot better than the Z680 Apex who capped out at 7200. The best part with the Encore is the black color. I put 8000 and on my wimpy small 2x16GB 7200 sticks. It seems it works quite ok’ish because it works very well in Y-cruncher. Now above 425W with this power virus🙄 Oh'weel, haven't time fiddle much with the ram. Have no time for that now. But I use 1.40 IVR TX, 1.431V IMC and Auto for the SA. The sticks run at 1.46 with 262xxx tREFI. Mind you, I use only a fan to cool the memory sticks. No WB for the sticks so not the best cooling for higher voltage and clocks.

 

I will test out more when I have more time....

 

 

 

https://hwbot.org/submission/5390752_papusan_y_cruncher___pi_1b_core_i9_14900k_14sec_979ms

I swapped back to my white Apex tonight. 🙂 she’s solid as a rock. The Encore Apex is a real trickster! It will make you think all is well. And then start causing random weird problems. After 10 days of testing with the pre-included 0220 bios, I decided last night I would flash to Encore Apex 0506 bios. I slowly stabilized DDR5 8000 to 8200 to 8400 testing in 1usmus. Then started using my system for just web browsing after a few hours this was when the weird stuff started happening. Random BSOD’s. And Instability. I re-installed windows again thinking I messed it up from using 0220. And, nope. By 1:30AM I was done with the Apex Encore all together. It felt awfully familiar to my old Z690 Apex with random unexplained instabilities when using DDR5 7200. If I run 1usmus for even just 15 minutes, that system should be good to go for practically any kind of usage especially gaming and light loads. 
 

 

[ryan]

Do any of you fellas use amoury crate? for some reason my download link leads me to malware it installs a bunch of bogus programs and when I uninstall its in chinese. surely amoury crate can be installed without all of this junk. can someone post a direct link to amoury crate download. thanks alot

[Mr. Fox]

40 minutes ago, ryan said:

Do any of you fellas use amoury crate? for some reason my download link leads me to malware it installs a bunch of bogus programs and when I uninstall its in chinese. surely amoury crate can be installed without all of this junk. can someone post a direct link to amoury crate download. thanks alot

Armory Crate a horrible program that sucks the life out of your system, but avoiding it may be nearly impossible on a laptop to have full functionality. I allow it to install itself on my disposable crash dummy cancer OS, but it is banned on the OSes I use for benching and gaming.

 

Armory Crate has pieces of itself baked into the BIOS. It will prompt you to install on a clean OS install with no internet connection and no network adapter drivers installed. If you do not allow it to install itself on a clean operating system install It is more likely to have issues with stability and/or not even functioning at all. The only place to download it that is hypothetically safe is directly from the Driver Suppprt page for your laptop on the Asus website.

 

I say hypothetically because Asus is not a trustworthy company. Anything that comes from China should be viewed as suspicious and potentially dangerous. Caution and skepticism are advised.

[Papusan]

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Armory Crate a horrible program that sucks the life out of your system, but avoiding it may be nearly impossible on a laptop to have full functionality. I allow it to install itself on my disposable crash dummy cancer OS, but it is banned on the OSes I use for benching and gaming.

 

Armory Crate has pieces of itself baked into the BIOS. It will prompt you to install on a clean OS install with no internet connection and no network adapter drivers installed. If you do not allow it to install itself on a clean operating system install It is more likely to have issues with stability and/or not even functioning at all. The only place to download it that is hypothetically safe is directly from the Driver Suppprt page for your laptop on the Asus website.

 

I say hypothetically because Asus is not a trustworthy company. Anything that comes from China should be viewed as suspicious and potentially dangerous. Caution and skepticism are advised.

Even if I can clean up the remaining traces of Asus cancer afterwards, I don't allow me to download and install it to grab the free Aida64. No in hell I would support trash/forced to install software to get what I paid for... More and more trash is spewed out from the tech world.... Asus ain't the only one to create trash for profits. Same can be seen below.

 

ERYING already offers a Core i7-13620H based motherboard with 6 P-Cores and 4 ECores mobile CPUs. These boards are referred to as “MoDT”, which stands for Mobile On Desktop. This is a new form factor that only gotten more popular with the increase in cores and efficiency of mobile series.

 

ERYING launches desktop Mini-ITX motherboards with 14-core i9-13900H CPU and DDR5-5600 memory support

 

 

 

Edit. The Sunday's word has to be trash. Even a weak powered 4070Ti Strix is all too much for CM 12VHPWR adapters...

Damaged 90° connector / gpu

[cylix]

1 hour ago, ryan said:

Do any of you fellas use amoury crate? for some reason my download link leads me to malware it installs a bunch of bogus programs and when I uninstall its in chinese. surely amoury crate can be installed without all of this junk. can someone post a direct link to amoury crate download. thanks alot

Why in earth do you want to use that cancer?? Install G-Helper instead and forget about Armory Crate.

https://github.com/seerge/g-helper

[electrosoft]

17 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 

Ohhhh! Okay okay. Mini ITX? No kidding 😎. This is pretty interesting. Now I’m dying to know if they’d make it through 1usmus. Better get a fan though. 😃

 

 

 

Yeah I'm in the exploratory phase of ITX builds. Already did a Hyte Revolt 3 (which I detailed the issues to you before lol) and now I'm back to the re qualifying hardware phase with a few changes (6700xt -> 7900xtx, 6400 g.skill -> 8000 g.skill, EVGA/ID Cooling 280mm AIO -> EK Nucleus 240mm AIO).

 

Maybe I'll take a crack at it, but I have found basic testing really rules out any problems for my use cases.

 

8 hours ago, tps3443 said:

I swapped back to my white Apex tonight. 🙂 she’s solid as a rock. The Encore Apex is a real trickster! It will make you think all is well. And then start causing random weird problems. After 10 days of testing with the pre-included 0220 bios, I decided last night I would flash to Encore Apex 0506 bios. I slowly stabilized DDR5 8000 to 8200 to 8400 testing in 1usmus. Then started using my system for just web browsing after a few hours this was when the weird stuff started happening. Random BSOD’s. And Instability. I re-installed windows again thinking I messed it up from using 0220. And, nope. By 1:30AM I was done with the Apex Encore all together. It felt awfully familiar to my old Z690 Apex with random unexplained instabilities when using DDR5 7200. If I run 1usmus for even just 15 minutes, that system should be good to go for practically any kind of usage especially gaming and light loads. 
 

 

 

You must be seriously relieved no one bought your old Apex Z790. You would have been stuck swapping boards and going through that whole song and dance for a board which really doesn't offer much more or different than the core Apex Z790.

 

 

[tps3443]

10 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Yeah I'm in the exploratory phase of ITX builds. Already did a Hyte Revolt 3 (which I detailed the issues to you before lol) and now I'm back to the re qualifying hardware phase with a few changes (6700xt -> 7900xtx, 6400 g.skill -> 8000 g.skill, EVGA/ID Cooling 280mm AIO -> EK Nucleus 240mm AIO).

 

Maybe I'll take a crack at it, but I have found basic testing really rules out any problems for my use cases.

 

 

You must be seriously relieved no one bought your old Apex Z790. You would have been stuck swapping boards and going through that whole song and dance for a board which really doesn't offer much more or different than the core Apex Z790.

 

 

Yep. You are not kidding. Sometimes we just gotta stop and think, “what in the heck am I doing!” Rinse repeat rinse repeat on this Encore wasting so much time. It swear it felt like this Encore was in the early stages of Alzheimer’s. It kept tricking me over and over again each day. But, I’m done with all that, after I saw the first issue after flashing over to the new bios around 6 hours in. I was done.
 

The white Apex is great. And I’m glad to be back using it. It’s just a solid product! I also swapped the PCH thermal pad for a 2.5MM thick and much higher quality option. 
 

The Z790 Apex has always worked with any kind of crazy memory profile. Whether it’s stable or no where near stable. 
 

I think I may have gotten a bad Apex Encore. Not a big deal. It happens. This would actually be the first time I have ever gotten a defective or unusable brand new motherboard. 

[Papusan]

Remember the elite (the chosen ones - in house testers), use and have full access to binned boards, sticks and Cpu to make XMP profiles/claims how good their products is (motherboards). Of course you get better results with binned boards as the elite even if your Cpu/sticks isn't the top bin. The stupid in this.... The variable quality in their products as MB's will make an hit or miss to the paying cosumers. They can't expect similar if they don't have or paid for similar products. And none of the elite (the choosen ones) will admit that you got screwed by their own "prefered" company. They can't afford being thrown righ out from the company. Sad truth... You often don't get what you paid for. High end being often treatened as cheapo junk.

 

[tps3443]

4 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Remember the elite (the chosen ones - in house testers), use and have full access to binned boards, sticks and Cpu to make XMP profiles/claims how good their products is (motherboards). Of course you get better results with binned boards as the elite even if your Cpu/sticks isn't the top bin. The stupid in this.... The variable quality in their products as MB's will make an hit or miss to the paying cosumers. They can't expect similar if they don't have or paid for similar products. And none of the elite (the choosen ones) will admit that you got screwed by their own "prefered" company. They can't afford being thrown righ out from the company. Sad truth... You often don't get what you paid for. High end being often treatened as cheapo junk.

Yep I absolutely agree with that! Seeing that Sugi guy run DDR5 8800 stable, and post DDR5 9000, makes me think my white Apex is definitely a top bin it just does things very effortlessly. Because these boards were so uncommon and rare, also makes me think a different type of testing or standard they were held to. I think it’s funny that Asus tried to turn the Apex in to a mainstream product by mass producing them. Yet, this board gets literally “ram right over” by my old Apex lol. 
 

Anyways, I hope yours is good at least. Has it been okay? 

[Mr. Fox]

9 hours ago, electrosoft said:

You must be seriously relieved no one bought your old Apex Z790. You would have been stuck swapping boards and going through that whole song and dance for a board which really doesn't offer much more or different than the core Apex Z790.

The Encore offers less by all measurements. The only benefit it provides is the superior black aesthetic. Everything else about it and the parts it comes with (or perhaps we should say DOES NOT come with) is a downgrade. You pay the same price to get your posterior orifice molested. I was immediately suspicious and smelling a rat when they released it and availability was good. Another mass production piece of crud from their slop bucket, but this time designed from the bottom up to deceive all who buy it. This is par for the course with Asus though.  They're a despicable company and stand out as the evil prince in an industry ruled by thieves and pirates.

[Papusan]

6 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Yep I absolutely agree with that! Seeing that Sugi guy run DDR5 8800 stable, and post DDR5 9000, makes me think my white Apex is definitely a top bin it just does things very effortlessly. Because these boards were so uncommon and rare, also makes me think a different type of testing or standard they were held to. I think it’s funny that Asus tried to turn the Apex in to a mainstream product by mass producing them. Yet, this board gets literally “ram right over” by my old Apex lol. 
 

Anyways, I hope yours is good at least. Has it been okay? 

So far so good. 7200-7600-7733-7800 and now 8000 on these 2x16GB sticks. Haven't tested for ram stability but benchmarks works ok. I would have seen memory stability problems in Y-cruncher if they was very out of specs and they aren't(good scores). I aim for normal use and as long stability is good enough (no crashes) I'm good. I don't do hours with stress tests. And I don't abuse my HW. Only a non oc'd system can be concluded as close to 100% stable (server HW run stock speed for a reason).  

 

As for... Sugi always get the best binned parts... This is what we have good friends for (help from the right people). You can't expect the same if you aren't in the good company/have the right friends. No one win the HW lottery time out and time in for MB, CPU's, Mem sticks and GPU's without having the correct connections. And this repeat one, two or 3 times each year (always a HW lottery winner on day one after every new releases). If this was true everynoe could play the money lottery over and over and win every single time. Not how the world works out.

 

6 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The Encore offers less by all measurements. The only benefit it provides is the superior black aesthetic. Everything else about it and the parts it comes (or perhaps we should say DOES NOT come with) with is a downgrade. You pay the same price to get your posterior orifice molested. I was immediately suspicious and smelling a rat when they released it and availability was good. Another mass production piece of crud from their slop bucket, but this time designed from the bottom up to deceive all who buy it. This is par for the course with Asus though.  They're a despicable company and stand out as the evil prince in an industry ruled by thieves and pirates.

 

You got less of everything vs Z690 Apex boards. The box is almost empty. They needed fix the MEM problems from Z690 anyway. So this is not an real improvement over older Apex board for 1700 gen. They was forced to make better mem traces/better PCB.

 

Even the cheapo wifi-7 antenna can't keep up hanging up on the backside of the chassis because Asus used worse, cheaper and smaller magnets. And where is the sata cables. And no more temp sensor cables even if they brag about temp sensor terminals on the board. Asus went cheapo on everything. And no more Oscilloscope. The main bragging point for 1700 Strix (Apex) boards. Again only to cut costs. Some may not miss the real manual, but I prefer have a real manual book instead of have to go on the web see it. If they should remove something to save the climate... Maybe start to get rid of all the plastic bags/plastic cover first. Damn stupids!

 

I also hate the stupidity with onboard gen_5 M2 slot above the GPU. Why implement this on a OC board? Forced by Intel? Not so sure about that. Why not offer the same old PCIe 5.0 box for the M.2 drive as for first gen Apex 1700 boards? Those that want gen 5 drives could use that black PCIe box instead of Asus infecting this board with an useless feature.

[ryan]

Thanks, the ghelper app need asus acpi??not sure what that is or where to get it, and for some reason i cant uninstall all the asus malware surely this is a joke.

 

@cylix its for a asus strix keyboard that I want to smash. I had a perfect install of windows untill asus guided me through installing this garbage. I called the main line to see if i could get a proper link to the software and he led me to the same crap. ill use g helper if it works for the strix flare keyboard otherwise ill have to buy a new keyboard, the other app that was referenced didnt have profiles like light effects, i want my keyboard to have all the features otherwise like before im just setting it to white and counting my losses

[tps3443]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

So far so good. 7200-7600-7733-7800 and now 8000 on these 2x16GB sticks. Haven't tested for ram stability but benchmarks works ok. I would have seen memory stability problems in Y-cruncher if they was very out of specs. I aim for normal use and as long stability is good enough (no crashes) I'm good. I don't do hours with stress test. And I don't abuse my HW.

 

As for... Sugi always get the best binned parts... This is what we have good friends for (help from the right people). You can't expect the same if you aren't in the good company/have the right friends. No one win the HW lottery time out and time in for MB, CPU's, Mem sticks and GPU's without having the correct connections. And this repeat one, two or 3 times each year (always a HW lottery winner on day one after every new releases). If this was true everynoe could play the money lottery over and over and win every single time. Not how the world works out.

 

 

You got less of everything vs Z690 Apex boards. The box is almost empty. They needed fix the MEM problems from Z690 anyway. So this is not an real improvement over older Apex board for 1700 gen. They was forced to make better mem traces/better PCB.

 

Even the cheapo wifi-7 antenna can't keep up hanging up on the backside of the chassis because Asus used worse, cheaper and smaller magnets. And where is the sata cables. and no more temp sensor cables even if they brag about temp sensor terminals on the board. Asus went cheapo on everything. And no more Oscilloscope. The main bragging point for first gen 1700 Apex board. Some may not miss the real manual, but I prefer have a real manual book instead of have to go on the web see it. 

 

I also hate the stupidity with gen_5 M2 slot above the GPU. Why implement this on a OC board? Forced by Intel? Why not offer the same old PCIe 5.0 box as for first gen Apex 1700 boards? Those that want gen 5 drives could use that black box instead of Asus infecting this board with an useless feature.

Im all for setting a ram OC and using it for gaming and benching and not actually stability testing it. I did it for years, but my Encore can’t do that 🤣. In my case the Encore was so unstable I had to resort to actually stability testing the ram and slowly working up. And physically knowing “ITS actually STABLE” however it was still unstable. I think mine is just broken. And yeah that that Wi-Fi magnet is such a piece of crap it won’t stay on my test bench either. I do kinda like the quick release though, but it looks like more cost cutting to me. I thought about swapping the wifi7 in to my white Apex. But that antenna magnet is really a deal breaker. Crazy how something so simple can effect an experience.

 

@ryan Better just reinstall windows to ensure all the bloat is gone. Then once you get it exactly right, create a back up. I don’t have any Asus stuff installed, I just use my Asus boards with no armory crate. I did not kind the armory crate lite, but my OCD can’t handle anything like that installed. So I removed it lol. And I have already re-installed windows again anyways. This Apex Encore was breaking OSes left and right on me. 

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Papusan said:

So far so good. 7200-7600-7733-7800 and now 8000 on these 2x16GB sticks. Haven't tested for ram stability but benchmarks works ok. I would have seen memory stability problems in Y-cruncher if they was very out of specs. I aim for normal use and as long stability is good enough (no crashes) I'm good. I don't do hours with stress test. And I don't abuse my HW.

 

 

This is exactly my approach and thought process with RAM and CPU stability these days. Many moons ago, I use to pound my hardware with P95 or similar along with memory stress tests for 24hrs creating a scenario I would never encounter in real life.

 

Now, I do baseline stability and actually use the hardware and adjust as needed if something rears its ugly head.

 

If I'm benchmarking...well.....all bets are off in that moment as I'm going to push it hard as possible up to and including immediate shut downs and BSODs. 🙂

 

 

2 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Yep I absolutely agree with that! Seeing that Sugi guy run DDR5 8800 stable, and post DDR5 9000, makes me think my white Apex is definitely a top bin it just does things very effortlessly. Because these boards were so uncommon and rare, also makes me think a different type of testing or standard they were held to. I think it’s funny that Asus tried to turn the Apex in to a mainstream product by mass producing them. Yet, this board gets literally “ram right over” by my old Apex lol. 
 

Anyways, I hope yours is good at least. Has it been okay? 

 

Sugi's posts are some of my favorites in the OCN forums. Access to a good group of hardware and users and he posts regularly with, "what could have been" type posts for others to at least push as hard as possible to see. I'm not sure he even runs a chiller.

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The Encore offers less by all measurements. The only benefit it provides is the superior black aesthetic. Everything else about it and the parts it comes (or perhaps we should say DOES NOT come with) with is a downgrade. You pay the same price to get your posterior orifice molested. I was immediately suspicious and smelling a rat when they released it and availability was good. Another mass production piece of crud from their slop bucket, but this time designed from the bottom up to deceive all who buy it. This is par for the course with Asus though.  They're a despicable company and stand out as the evil prince in an industry ruled by thieves and pirates.

 

You see Jufus called them out changing their marketing and push going for the "ROG Strix" type packaging to appeal to gamers. I don't blame Asus for trying to maximize profits and sales but it is disheartening that they couldn't leave even the one, true enthusiast board alone.

 

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

This is exactly my approach and thought process with RAM and CPU stability these days. Many moons ago, I use to pound my hardware with P95 or similar along with memory stress tests for 24hrs creating a scenario I would never encounter in real life.

 

Now, I do baseline stability and actually use the hardware and adjust as needed if something rears its ugly head.

 

Oh yeah, I don’t do that, never lol. I have always been on the side of “If it runs games, it’s good enough” 🤣. But lately I just do 1usmus for 15 minutes. If it gets through that, it’s gonna run through literally anything and everything. Besides the Apex Encore lol. It’s definitely broke 😂. And that 15 minutes saves me lots of time instead of crashing in games and going through that trial and error I use to do. But some guys definitely go over board. As a matter of fact, I don’t even stability test my cpu at all lol. We all know if something is unstable right, of course we know! 🙂 If it runs Cinebench, and games it’s good! Especially modern games. 

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

A very interesting article from Igorslab will pop up tomorrow. Hope he don't draw wrong conclusions this time.

 

Looking for the final piece of the puzzle for burnt 12VHPWR connectors | Teasers

Interesting tidbit here. I wonder what Galax/KFA2 did vs all other to avoid the 12VHPWR melt gate. But from what I see, the use of lower quality/lack of QC has be on of the reasons for much of the melt hell. Hope Igorslab won't be colored by their coparation/partnership with Cablemod. Me have talked about bad quality and bad QC a long time.... And all my talk about this was spot on.

 

...I can actually only advise that as a manufacturer of these connectors, you should adhere exactly to the specifications and check this constantly and often within a series. Yes, it's a higher cost, but the customer will definitely be grateful. Part of the problem certainly lies in the ************ used, as the incoming goods must be checked more closely by quality control. Since there are many manufacturers of connectors, the quality of the products varies greatly. While the plastic housings were all cast very correctly, things become more problematic with the *********** and its initial quality.

 

 

 

LOOOL. The Cablemod moderators delete replies in loads. And look at this....HaHa, the thread topic turned into.... Can anyone instead recommend a new Chassis, LOOL

Can anyone recommend the 90 degree (not the adapter) 12 volt for the 4090 suprim x, curious about fitment

 

[electrosoft]

Going into detail about his switch back. I run a 7800X3D so I haven't had to deal with any CCD issues. I'm not sure why he had such bad luck with memory. It could have been his Asus board, but he has been team AMD since 10th gen Intel so for him to come back to Intel means he had hit a wall but hey at least he tried for 10 months.

 

 

[tps3443]

Only thing good so far about the Apex Encore is the PCH temp ran substantially cooler than my Apex Z790. Not that it matters. But this is one noticeable difference.  
 

Below is both boards averages. And after already replacing their thermal pads. 
 

Z790 Apex 15w thermal pad 2.5MM thick AVG temp 55-57C. (Gelid ultimate thermal pad from Amazon)

 

Z790 Apex Encore 12w thermal pad 2.0mm thick AVG temp 39-42C. (Cheap Off brand no name Chinese thermal pad from Amazon)

[cylix]

21 hours ago, ryan said:

Thanks, the ghelper app need asus acpi??not sure what that is or where to get it, and for some reason i cant uninstall all the asus malware surely this is a joke.

 

@cylix its for a asus strix keyboard that I want to smash. I had a perfect install of windows untill asus guided me through installing this garbage. I called the main line to see if i could get a proper link to the software and he led me to the same crap. ill use g helper if it works for the strix flare keyboard otherwise ill have to buy a new keyboard, the other app that was referenced didnt have profiles like light effects, i want my keyboard to have all the features otherwise like before im just setting it to white and counting my losses

Ah I see..Jesus   Asus wants you to use Crate for a mere keyboard aswell, omg how stupid is that. They really go to new levels just to annoy the customers...

[cylix]

6 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Going into detail about his switch back. I run a 7800X3D so I haven't had to deal with any CCD issues. I'm not sure why he had such bad luck with memory. It could have been his Asus board, but he has been team AMD since 10th gen Intel so for him to come back to Intel means he had hit a wall but hey at least he tried for 10 months.

 

 

Yeah for sure was the MB.. he should have just trash the asus ond get a msi or gigabyte.. my 7950x3d is rock solid..no ccd issues. Running perfectly with the help of Process Lasso.

[jaybee83]

On 11/5/2023 at 1:33 AM, electrosoft said:

 

MSI Z790i Edge is a 2 dimm ITX board rated for 8000+ 🙂 The sticks are 2x16GB Hynix 8000 G.Skill.

 

I do have an older set of 2x32GB 6000 G.Skill A-die in my X670E dialed in at the norma 6000l sweet spot, but I do want to see how far they will go. I'm going to see how far I can boot / post those 8000 sticks in the Edge first then swap over the 6000 A die 2x32 GB and see where they cap out.

 

I do plan on swapping in my Z790i + 7900xtx as my main rig and see how it fairs too just for fun before moving into ITX adventures 2.0.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

looking forward to your X670E results my man 😉 currently dialing in 7600 timings, bandwidth wise im definitely beating my tightened / final 6200 setup, but curious to see if i can also reach similar latencies.

aaaaalso, im noticing during 7600 tightening that i might have to give 8000 ANOTHER go with stability testing. seems like i was too tight on some subtimings haha. still a lot to learn, but making good progress with AM5 🙂 

 

16 hours ago, cylix said:

Why in earth do you want to use that cancer?? Install G-Helper instead and forget about Armory Crate.

https://github.com/seerge/g-helper

 

nice tool, havent heard of it before. about time someone offerred a slim version of that armory crate crap 😄 at least for those who dont have any other choice (i.e. on laptops)

 

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Going into detail about his switch back. I run a 7800X3D so I haven't had to deal with any CCD issues. I'm not sure why he had such bad luck with memory. It could have been his Asus board, but he has been team AMD since 10th gen Intel so for him to come back to Intel means he had hit a wall but hey at least he tried for 10 months.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, cylix said:

Yeah for sure was the MB.. he should have just trash the asus ond get a msi or gigabyte.. my 7950x3d is rock solid..no ccd issues. Running perfectly with the help of Process Lasso.

 

thought of you right away when i saw jays upload. those issues he described sound super funky. havent run into anything like that either with my 7950X, but couldnt judge the X3D chips since i havent tried those. i might switch over to V-Cache with 8000 series, but ill take my time comparing performance 🙂 at 4K resolution, its barely a 5% difference between 7950X and X3D 😄 

[cylix]

@jaybee83Yeah for me it has done miracles on my Z13 Flow, especially it has a kill switch to end every ASUS Service crap. In their Wisdom Asus paired the 12700k only with 16 GB soldered.. and i was getting memory stutters because of all that ASUS Crap that was eating memory when i was having Browser opened, teams and playing some diablo 4 at the same time. Also you can control the TDP and Fans better with it.

 

But even so 16 GB is sometimes to little, im contemplating to sell the Z13 and get a better small factor laptop. Maybe a G14 or the Blade 14, sadly there is no big choice for small factor 14 Inch or less...

[jaybee83]

9 hours ago, cylix said:

@jaybee83Yeah for me it has done miracles on my Z13 Flow, especially it has a kill switch to end every ASUS Service crap. In their Wisdom Asus paired the 12700k only with 16 GB soldered.. and i was getting memory stutters because of all that ASUS Crap that was eating memory when i was having Browser opened, teams and playing some diablo 4 at the same time. Also you can control the TDP and Fans better with it.

 

But even so 16 GB is sometimes to little, im contemplating to sell the Z13 and get a better small factor laptop. Maybe a G14 or the Blade 14, sadly there is no big choice for small factor 14 Inch or less...

 

this is one of the most annoying factors with current gen laptops: when i was on the lookout to get a new machine for my lady, i had the choice between: 1) socketable cpu paired with socketable DDR4 sodimms, 2) soldered cpu with socketable DDR5 sodimms, or 3) soldered CPU AND RAM. Naturally i went with option 1 and didnt look back 😛 

and yeah 16 GB is scratching the limit of what is comfortably doable while being productive these days...

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Looks like a number of factors are at play

 

https://www.igorslab.de/en/smoldering-headers-on-nvidias-geforce-rtx-4090/

 

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I am done with this connector for the time being, as there will hardly be anything else to investigate or optimize. And I honestly admit: I still don’t quite like this part because it operates far too close to physical limits, making it extremely susceptible to possible influences, no matter how minor they may seem. It is and remains a tightrope walk, right at the edge of what is physically justifiable and without any real reserves. If the quality control also fails in parts, then that’s it for the connector. You just don’t build something like that. At least not like this.