*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Mr. Fox]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

You can't reward bad behavior.

💯 exactly that. If you do you can expect more of the same. As a side benefit, I also saved enough going the A770 route that it will cover a big chunk of the cost of a second-hand AK-47 I am going to try to snag.

[Papusan]

AMD bring some love to their valuable costomers. As you can see, they really appreciate your never ending support. You all are worthy to get same love back.... Sure!!! Barely 3 years old graphics card will now have a nice life in your drawer/closet. Or you can just throw it in the bin. Love will always come at a price bro @Mr. Fox 

 

AMD Polaris and Vega architectures encompass a wide range of GPUs, including Radeon
RX 400 series from 2016, the RX 500 SKUs from 2017/2018 and Vega RX 56/64 from
2017.

 

AMD also released Radeon VII with Vega 20 in 2019 and RX 590 GME edition in
2020. Its expected that all these series and products will only get security updates now.

NVIDIA still supports older GPU architectures such as GeForce GTX 750 (Maxwell) series
from 2014. This fact has been reiterated today by Sean Pelletier, Director of Game Ready
Technology at NVIDIA.

 

AMD confirms Polaris and Vega architectures will only to receive critical updates going forward

 

[Rage Set]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

AMD bring some love to their valuable costomers. As you can see, they really appreciate your never ending support. You all are worthy to get same love back.... Sure!!! Barely 3 years old graphics card will now have a nice life in your drawer/closet. Or you can just throw it in the bin. Love will always come at a price bro @Mr. Fox 

 

AMD Polaris and Vega architectures encompass a wide range of GPUs, including Radeon
RX 400 series from 2016, the RX 500 SKUs from 2017/2018 and Vega RX 56/64 from
2017.

 

AMD also released Radeon VII with Vega 20 in 2019 and RX 590 GME edition in
2020. Its expected that all these series and products will only get security updates now.

NVIDIA still supports older GPU architectures such as GeForce GTX 750 (Maxwell) series
from 2014. This fact has been reiterated today by Sean Pelletier, Director of Game Ready
Technology at NVIDIA.

 

AMD confirms Polaris and Vega architectures will only to receive critical updates going forward

 

 

I read 3 years old, I was like what is AMD doing. Then I read the AT article, GCN (which Polaris is based on) has been supported by AMD for nearly 12 years. The problem I have is that Vega is still technically being used by AMD in their APU's and mobile chips that are being sold right now. That is truly an arrow to the knee*. 

 

Notably, AMD is actively asserting that this is not “legacy” status for Vega and Polaris, which is an important distinction because of what “legacy” means within AMD’s ecosystem. For AMD, legacy products are effectively considered end-of-life, and ongoing driver support is retired. Which in the case of previous generation GPU architectures going legacy, AMD did not have any further driver releases of any kind planned – though in practice did AMD release a couple of drivers to fix critical security issues.

AMD’s support plans for Vega and Polaris, by contrast, still call for regular driver releases, albeit without major feature updates or performance optimizations. That means receiving bug fixes and other occasional updates as AMD sees fit to backport them to the older driver branch, but not the full scope of updates that AMD’s RDNA products are now receiving via their up-to-date mainline driver. In practice, this is much closer to how NVIDIA has handled their legacy GPU products, which have traditionally received security fixes for a minimum length of time – making for a more welcome offramp for going from fully supported to unsupported."

 

Ultimately, while the remaining GCN GPUs haven’t been put out to pasture quite yet, this is clearly the beginning of the end for a line of GPU architectures that stretches back to AMD’s 2011 GPU architecture modernization. AMD has been selling Polaris (GCN 4) cards since mid-2016 – starting over seven years ago – and in practice the core compute and graphics architecture of GCN 4 is virtually identical to the even older GCN 3 architecture. Consequently, AMD has essentially been supporting that core GPU architecture for almost 9 years at this point.

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, Rage Set said:

 

I read 3 years old, I was like what is AMD doing. Then I read the AT article, GCN (which Polaris is based on) has been supported by AMD for nearly 12 years. The problem I have is that Vega is still technically being used by AMD in their APU's and mobile chips that are being sold right now. That is truly an arrow to the knee*. 

 

Notably, AMD is actively asserting that this is not “legacy” status for Vega and Polaris, which is an important distinction because of what “legacy” means within AMD’s ecosystem. For AMD, legacy products are effectively considered end-of-life, and ongoing driver support is retired. Which in the case of previous generation GPU architectures going legacy, AMD did not have any further driver releases of any kind planned – though in practice did AMD release a couple of drivers to fix critical security issues.

AMD’s support plans for Vega and Polaris, by contrast, still call for regular driver releases, albeit without major feature updates or performance optimizations. That means receiving bug fixes and other occasional updates as AMD sees fit to backport them to the older driver branch, but not the full scope of updates that AMD’s RDNA products are now receiving via their up-to-date mainline driver. In practice, this is much closer to how NVIDIA has handled their legacy GPU products, which have traditionally received security fixes for a minimum length of time – making for a more welcome offramp for going from fully supported to unsupported."

 

Ultimately, while the remaining GCN GPUs haven’t been put out to pasture quite yet, this is clearly the beginning of the end for a line of GPU architectures that stretches back to AMD’s 2011 GPU architecture modernization. AMD has been selling Polaris (GCN 4) cards since mid-2016 – starting over seven years ago – and in practice the core compute and graphics architecture of GCN 4 is virtually identical to the even older GCN 3 architecture. Consequently, AMD has essentially been supporting that core GPU architecture for almost 9 years at this point.

 

Imagine if Nvidia have done exactly the same with Turing graphics cards after they have discontinued the linup in 2019 and no more driver support in 2022 ? 

 

AMD.........

[electrosoft]

Igor binned a slew of 14900 chips:

 

https://www.igorslab.de/en/r-batches-13900kss-and-imc-regressions-intel-core-14th-gen-binning-results-from-almost-600-cpus/2/

 

Looks like 14900k trumps 14900kf giving even more air to no 14900KS which I stated before. This is the last gasp for basically ADL+++ same as why we never saw a 10900KS but as always they may surprise us. 🙂

 

 

 

14900 vs 13900ks for 6ghz VID. Scary that some 14900's are below the 13900ks even late production grabs and smaller sample of 13900ks Igor was able to get (assume any decent 13900ks grade chip has been funneled to 14900k chips for a bit):

 

 

And finally 13900k vs 13900ks vs 14900k/f. Buying a new 13900k is most likely a fool's errand at this point. Statistically speaking, if you can't get a binned chip, pick up a 14900k for the best chance at a really good chip but looking at these numbers we're seeing why so many sub SP100 chips are dropping everywhere.

 

[electrosoft]

Installed the Strix Z790I and, well, it's trash for memory. Board tops out at 7600 while the MSI Z790I topped out at 8200. Anything above 7600 errors out in TM5 within 10 seconds.

 

It has no MC check either nor a debug light on what was a $450 ITX board at launch.

 

It is kicking up the AIO fans much more than the MSI board.

 

CB23 same temps (~72) but scored 1500 lower.

 

I'll sort it out and dial in the voltage for the CPU but either way this one is definitely heading back to Amazon.

 

 

 

Running the newest 1501 BIOS (originally had 901 from March):

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Installed the Strix Z790I and, well, it's trash for memory. Board tops out at 7600 while the MSI Z790I topped out at 8200. Anything above 7600 errors out in TM5 within 10 seconds.

 

It has no MC check either nor a debug light on what was a $450 ITX board at launch.

 

It is kicking up the AIO fans much more than the MSI board.

 

CB23 same temps (~72) but scored 1500 lower.

 

I'll sort it out and dial in the voltage for the CPU but either way this one is definitely heading back to Amazon.

 

 

 

Running the newest 1501 BIOS (originally had 901 from March):

 

 

 

Dang it, that's really messed up. Such a nicely-binned CPU should function much better. It goes to show what a critical role the motherboard plays and the degree to which ASUS botched it up. Their slogan should be "For those who are dumb" instead of " For those who dare" LOL.

 

Was it equally horrid on the original 901 firmware? I have not found any real benefits and generally a reduction in performance in newer ASUS firmware versions, especially in CPU benchmarks like Cinebench and wPrime. I have rarely identified any benefit to their firmware updates and the release notes that say things like "improves memory performance" are generally untrue. It is unfortunate, even diabolical, that we find examples of interference with end-user autonomy to roll back to any firmware version they choose to flash, and disgusting that they block all ME version rollbacks and provide no option to disable that worthless trash.

 

It seems like m-ATX and ITX mirror the trend of paying more and getting less, just like turdbooks. Unless there is a legitimate need for size reduction, it seems kind of like a misguided build option due to the generally inferior and grossly overpriced selection.

 

Do you still have the MSI Z790i? If it works correctly, spending money on anything from ASUS is probably like flushing money down the toilet.

[tps3443]

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Installed the Strix Z790I and, well, it's trash for memory. Board tops out at 7600 while the MSI Z790I topped out at 8200. Anything above 7600 errors out in TM5 within 10 seconds.

 

It has no MC check either nor a debug light on what was a $450 ITX board at launch.

 

It is kicking up the AIO fans much more than the MSI board.

 

CB23 same temps (~72) but scored 1500 lower.

 

I'll sort it out and dial in the voltage for the CPU but either way this one is definitely heading back to Amazon.

 

 

 

Running the newest 1501 BIOS (originally had 901 from March):

 

 

 

Here’s the thing though, this only tells us so much. Of course this kind of board quality variation will exist even within the same board manufacturers. MSI vs MSI or ASUS vs ASUS. I had an old Z690 Unify-X that would run DDR5 8000c34 with 2x16GB T-Force ram. It was seriously impressive. Everyone wanted that board just because it was cheap, and it ran ram like a beast. (So long as your IMC was good, the board would provide the rest) and it absolutely did for its new owner. 
 

I do want to mention this, (I’m not competing with you here, but just an example) My white Z790 Apex would only do about 7600-7800 range when using 2x16GB A-Die too. With 2x24GB M-Die it will run 8400 XMP timings and 8600 XMP timings on my 7200 2x24 sticks with just 1.400V for 8400 and 1.450V for 8600. (This is crazy right) but it just absolutely freaking sucks with 2x16GB. I got like DDR5 7600-7800 stable tops on my Z790 Apex. So my Unify-X could actually out overclock my newer and better Z790 Apex using the same ram as on the MSI Z690 board lol. The MSI was not exactly better, but just very much different.

 

That Asus Strix Z790I may excel with different ram just like both of my current Z790 Asus boards are, and just like the new Apex Encore does. 
 

We are popping together a bunch of random parts. And hoping for the best. In the (4) Z690/Z790 motherboards I have owned only (1) board that actually sucked at overclocking ram and it was the Z690 Apex which only ran DDR5 7000 reliably due to a weak Dimm slot. The rest of the boards are all about that “Ram compatibility” 

 

It’s funny because I remember with my white Apex. I was like, this thing absolutely freaking sucks... But turns out, it’s just a beast with 48GB kits. And it did not care much for 2x16 A-die at all. 
 

If a board is weak with one ram kit. Then try another on it. Unless it’s not a board worth pursuing this with. Then maybe just keep the MSI and that 2x16 kit. As far as I know all of the guys enjoying their new Apex Encore are running 2x16GB DDR5. But then again, everyone was pre-ordering the Apex Encore with the 2x24GB 8400 sticks which is just hilarious 😂 because well they just don’t work. 

[Papusan]

48 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Here’s the thing though, this only tells us so much. Of course this kind of board quality variation will exist even within the same board manufacturers. MSI vs MSI or ASUS vs ASUS. I had an old Z690 Unify-X that would run DDR5 8000c34 with 2x16GB T-Force ram. It was seriously impressive.

 

This also show why Splave continue use the Asrock Z690 board for world records. Perfectly binned for the choosen one's. I bet he also would struggle in same way as many others if he got vanilla Z690 consumer boards. 

 

48 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I do want to mention this, (I’m not competing with you here, but just an example) My white Z790 Apex would only do about 7600-7800 range when using 2x16GB A-Die too. With 2x24GB M-Die it will run 8400 XMP timings and 8600 XMP timings on my 7200 2x24 sticks with just 1.400V for 8400 and 1.450V for 8600. (This is crazy right) but it just absolutely freaking sucks with 2x16GB. I got like DDR5 7600-7800 stable tops on my Z790 Apex.

 

Weird times. Want better mem overclocking then go with the bigger DDR5 ram sticks. Not very unusal you can overclock 2x24GB 7200 sticks close to +8800. That's +22% overclock. Very seldom you can do the same with the smaller 2x16GB sticks. If you can then you have won the HW lottery 🙂 And not only for the ram sticks.

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Dang it, that's really messed up. Such a nicely-binned CPU should function much better. It goes to show what a critical role the motherboard plays and the degree to which ASUS botched it up. Their slogan should be "For those who are dumb" instead of " For those who dare" LOL.

 

Was it equally horrid on the original 901 firmware? I have not found any real benefits and generally a reduction in performance in newer ASUS firmware versions, especially in CPU benchmarks like Cinebench and wPrime. I have rarely identified any benefit to their firmware updates and the release notes that say things like "improves memory performance" are generally untrue. It is unfortunate, even diabolical, that we find examples of interference with end-user autonomy to roll back to any firmware version they choose to flash, and disgusting that they block all ME version rollbacks and provide no option to disable that worthless trash.

 

It seems like m-ATX and ITX mirror the trend of paying more and getting less, just like turdbooks. Unless there is a legitimate need for size reduction, it seems kind of like a misguided build option due to the generally inferior and grossly overpriced selection.

 

Do you still have the MSI Z790i? If it works correctly, spending money on anything from ASUS is probably like flushing money down the toilet.

 

901 wouldn't do 7200+. One of the reasons I upgraded to 1501.

 

The thing is this board isn't cheap and launched at $450. For an ITX board that is insane. I picked up an open box for $286.

 

I definitely kept the MSI Z790i. I'll be switching back after I play around with the Strix for a few more days and back it goes. I'll test each individual slot along with a manual dial in of the CPU for fun.

 

29 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Here’s the thing though, this only tells us so much. Of course this kind of board quality variation will exist even within the same board manufacturers. MSI vs MSI or ASUS vs ASUS. I had an old Z690 Unify-X that would run DDR5 8000c34 with 2x16GB T-Force ram. It was seriously impressive. Everyone wanted that board just because it was cheap, and it ran ram like a beast. (So long as your IMC was good, the board would provide the rest) and it absolutely did for its new owner. 
 

I do want to mention this, (I’m not competing with you here, but just an example) My white Z790 Apex would only do about 7600-7800 range when using 2x16GB A-Die too. With 2x24GB M-Die it will run 8400 XMP timings and 8600 XMP timings on my 7200 2x24 sticks with just 1.400V for 8400 and 1.450V for 8600. (This is crazy right) but it just absolutely freaking sucks with 2x16GB. I got like DDR5 7600-7800 stable tops on my Z790 Apex. So my Unify-X could actually out overclock my newer and better Z790 Apex using the same ram as on the MSI Z690 board lol. The MSI was not exactly better, but just very much different.

 

That Asus Strix Z790I may excel with different ram just like both of my current Z790 Asus boards are, and just like the new Apex Encore does. 
 

We are popping together a bunch of random parts. And hoping for the best. In the (4) Z690/Z790 motherboards I have owned only (1) board that actually sucked at overclocking ram and it was the Z690 Apex which only ran DDR5 7000 reliably due to a weak Dimm slot. The rest of the boards are all about that “Ram compatibility” 

 

It’s funny because I remember with my white Apex. I was like, this thing absolutely freaking sucks... But turns out, it’s just a beast with 48GB kits. And it did not care much for 2x16 A-die at all. 
 

If a board is weak with one ram kit. Then try another on it. Unless it’s not a board worth pursuing this with. Then maybe just keep the MSI and that 2x16 kit. As far as I know all of the guys enjoying their new Apex Encore are running 2x16GB DDR5. But then again, everyone was pre-ordering the Apex Encore with the 2x24GB 8400 sticks which is just hilarious 😂 because well they just don’t work. 

 

Why would I think you were competing? 🙂 Even if you were, that is kinda the name of the game here even if not overtly. 🤣 I love it when we throw up good scores and hardware. It fuels the hardware juices and revs the engines.

 

Going into this, we know it isn't my CPU or RAM since they did 8200 on the MSI Z790i so we know it is the board either by design, silicon lottery or both. On the MSI, even setting G4, it topped out at 8200 so there we know it is my board and/or sticks in that scenario.

 

I do plan on testing each slot with each stick individually but in Asus's defense, they only rate the board at 7600+ so with the newest BIOS update it did match that.

 

It is not a board worth pursuing as my goal was 8000 and when I have a better overall performer with the MSI Z790i Edge rated at 8000+ and performing better both CPU and memory wise. I picked up the 8000 sticks because they were a great price.  No way I'm dropping major coin on another set on a hope a prayer on a board that doesn't match my MSI. The odd riser stand off, the break out hub and lack of debug light irks me too. 🙂

 

Doing some googling and reading reviews, I'm not alone on these limitations for those looking to pursue 8000+ with this board. 7200-7600 seems to be the max but again Asus only promised 7600+. It might require board fishing, memory fishing or both but what I DO know is in the here and now the MSI is outperforming the Asus on both fronts (CPU and mem) with what I have. 🙂

 

24 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

This also show why Splave continue use the Asrock Z690 board for world records. Perfectly binned for the choosen one's. I bet he also would struggle in same way as many others if he got vanilla Z690 consumer boards. 

 

 

Weird times. Want better mem overclocking then go with the bigger DDR5 ram sticks. Not very unusal you can overclock 2x24GB 7200 sticks close to +8800. That's +22% overclock. Very seldom you can do the same with the smaller 2x16GB sticks. If you can then you have won the HW lottery 🙂 And not only for the ram sticks.

 

Well when you find binned hardware you hold onto it tightly! He would definitely struggle more as you can only do so much with hardware limitations. We all hit walls.

 

And yeah, ram is in a weird place atm. I'm sure a year or two from now we'll look back at 8000+ like we did 3200+ on DDR4.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

On 8/22/2023 at 3:32 AM, Papusan said:

The big hope is that the U.S government throw out Nvidia from the AI rush in China.

 

On 8/22/2023 at 3:51 AM, Mr. Fox said:

China should just be thrown out of everything and deprived of the money and essential resources needed to thrive and remain relevant to the rest of the world, all of whom they would happily kill or enslave if given the opportunity. They do it to their own.

 

 

Nvida is desperate selling data-center chips to China. They already have new SKUs ready to soon be shipped. It seems nothing can stop Jensen from reaching his big goals. The AI chip market worth +$7 billions in China is worth to fight for. And they get better paid for AD102 silicon. Greed have no limits.

 

NVIDIA responded quickly to new restrictions on exporting powerful GPUs from the U.S. 

 

NVIDIA to launch HGX H20, L20 and L2 GPUs for China
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-to-launch-hgx-h20-l20-and-l2-gpus-for-china

 

 

[Talon]

I edited the BIOS for the Z690 Dark to enable Intel Dynamic Tuning Technology in the BIOS, and therefore Intel APO or Application Performance Optimization with 14900K for BIOS version 2.13. As it stands, this is not available in the default BIOS and therefore you cannot enable APO or use the required DTT driver. I used the Asrock Z790 Nova Intel DTT driver as all mobos are using a generic Intel driver package so can be cross installed. 
 
https://imgur.com/iSJMx2Z
 
I tested Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition, and it's working 100% like my Z790 Apex with 14900K. 
 

APO ON: 

Average Framerate (99th percentile): 176.03

Max. Framerate (99th percentile): 272.78

Min. Framerate (99th percentile): 97.92

 

APO OFF: 

Average Framerate (99th percentile): 150.81

Max. Framerate (99th percentile): 231.70

Min. Framerate (99th percentile): 94.0

 

Works a charm!

 

Apparently were going to have to fix these issue ourselves going forward with EVGA completely MIA. Thankfully it appears we can at least fix some of the issues and big thanks to them for leaving the BIOS open to custom modded BIOS flashing. I'm going to try and get the newest Microcodes added to the BIOS and flashable without brick like this fix. Unfortunately I am learning as I go and really have to rely on other peoples guides. Hopefully I can get it figured out. 

[electrosoft]

4090's drying up and prices creeping up.

 

MSI 4090 Liquid X Suprim is now $1900 shipped and sold by Newegg and it's the only 4090 in stock from them atm.

 

Jay exploring pricing across numerous places sometimes with tin hat on. 🤣

 

 

 

[Papusan]

44 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

4090's drying up and prices creeping up.

 

MSI 4090 Liquid X Suprim is now $1900 shipped and sold by Newegg and it's the only 4090 in stock from them atm.

 

Jay exploring pricing across numerous places sometimes with tin hat on. 🤣

 

 

 

 

See my previous post... Nvidia probably needed all the AD102 dies they could produce for the new scaled down data-center chips for China. More profits serving China right now. 

 

Edit. Almost no 4090's in the retail shops here home now. 

[Talon]

50 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

4090's drying up and prices creeping up.

 

MSI 4090 Liquid X Suprim is now $1900 shipped and sold by Newegg and it's the only 4090 in stock from them atm.

 

Jay exploring pricing across numerous places sometimes with tin hat on. 🤣

 

 

 

 

Wow Newegg is sold out basically, and my local Microcenters have almost no stock left, just a few cards. Here we go again!!!! Again, again again... 

[Papusan]

12 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Wow Newegg is sold out basically, and my local Microcenters have almost no stock left, just a few cards. Here we go again!!!! Again, again again... 

But, but you should be able to grab loads of different 4080's. They come in all colors and even the top of the line models. Run and buy🤮

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Wow Newegg is sold out basically, and my local Microcenters have almost no stock left, just a few cards. Here we go again!!!! Again, again again... 

 

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

But, but you should be able to grab loads of different 4080's. They come in all colors and even the top of the line models. Run and buy🤮

 

Best Buy is completely sold out of 4090s....

 

All three of my local(ish) Microcenters only have Gigabyte for $1700 or Asus 4090 ROG liquid for $2150-2200.

 

Holidays + 4090 shortage = major price hikes on new and used cards.

 

Like @Papusan said though, PLENTY of AD103 4080's for you to slurp up.....

 

 

[tps3443]

Z790 Apex Vanilla bios 1501 is working SUPER GOOD!!! I just installed it tonight. I set DDR5 8400 right from a reset bios. Posted first try, then went right for DDR5 8600 and it just passed standard stability. 

This is DDR5 8600 XMP timings. And it passed right through. This is actually really impressive for my 7200 sticks. 

CPU IMC= 1.475V
IVR TX 1.420V
SA= 1.313V
DDR5 VDD 1.500V
DDR5 VDDQ 1.450V

It only took me like three tries in and out of the bios and back to TM5. 

This is a great base line though! Now to tune it up from here. 

 

I just love this motherboard right here. 🥰🥰🥰🥰

[Papusan]

41 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

Like @Papusan said though, PLENTY of AD103 4080's for you to slurp up.....

And if you'll accept the awful overprice then you most likely run into less chances for fire😀 Probably better than nothing? Huuu

 

From one of the replies..... Worst timing ever too as 4090s are quite limited or no availability too.

 

Dude, I don’t feel bad for you considering everyone being so blatantly clear that these first gens HAVE ISSUES!!!! You never thought to check Reddit once after purchasing where you would have seen all the failures??? Even a quick google search would work. Try to stay better informed and you’ll be better able to stop things like this from happening.

 

 

 

And if you are really brave bro Electro.... But not sure if this brand will replace your GPU for free. Tempted? Maybe they have an variant that fits your GPU🤪

 

 

Safe Design

EZDIY-FAB 12VHPWR Angled Adapter creates extra space and clearance between your graphics card and side panel. Its reinforced PCB design allows for a zero-bending connection, ensuring full contact with all cable terminals and eliminating the possibility of thermal issues caused by tight bending radii.

 

[Mr. Fox]

All set up and ready for work tomorrow. I like it. 

 

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/30861870/fs/28566515/fs/28913495/fs/30923735

 

It fixed the following issues I had with 6900 XT:

• Windows and Linux always rebooting versus shut down (had to hold power button to power off PC)
• Micro$lop Office text rendering (disappearing text) while typing
• DWM transparency not functional when sharing desktop (RocketDock icons and desktop icons would have white background where transparent edges should be)
• Excessive GPU driver CPU and RAM resource consumption when no work is being done

 

[cylix]

All prices are creeping in Germany aswell, GPU-s, CPU-s, memory, SSDs..all for the  "new and mega sales" season, Black Friday and Christmas🤮. Despicable practice from every retailer...

[Mr. Fox]

3 hours ago, cylix said:

All prices are creeping in Germany aswell, GPU-s, CPU-s, memory, SSDs..all for the  "new and mega sales" season, Black Friday and Christmas🤮. Despicable practice from every retailer...

And, we see the opposite on the spectrum of dispicability in the land of fruits and nuts. There is no bottom for the filthiness of humanity, yet they always somehow find a way to remain bottom-feeders. Theft is the new normal for the world's lowest common denominators and it goes both ways, depending on where you live. I wonder how many 4090's have been stolen in California? Off the store shelves and the entire truckloads of 4090's that never made it that far?

 

Yay blue team... not.

Sorry, but sometimes" engage at will and shoot to kill" is the only solution to an otherwise unsolvable problem.

 

[Papusan]

Checked a bit more. There is a few big retail shops that have lots of 4090's. +50 cards of some models. So not a real 4090 shortage here home. 

 

See this one.... One of the cheapest 4090 you'll get here. MSI GeForce RTX 4090 VENTUS 3X OC. I converted NOK to USD. And removed the nice Norwegian 25% VAT. So $1,541.24 USD or below MSRP without taxes. 

 

[electrosoft]

56 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Checked a bit more. There is a few big retail shops that have lots of 4090's. +50 cards of some models. So not a real 4090 shortage here home. 

 

See this one.... One of the cheapest 4090 you'll get here. MSI GeForce RTX 4090 VENTUS 3X OC. I converted NOK to USD. And removed the nice Norwegian 25% VAT. So $1,541.24 USD or below MSRP without taxes. 

 

 

You have to have buyers to dry up the pre-existing stock. Looks like no one is buying in your area.

 

 

[electrosoft]

10 hours ago, tps3443 said:

Z790 Apex Vanilla bios 1501 is working SUPER GOOD!!! I just installed it tonight. I set DDR5 8400 right from a reset bios. Posted first try, then went right for DDR5 8600 and it just passed standard stability. 

This is DDR5 8600 XMP timings. And it passed right through. This is actually really impressive for my 7200 sticks. 

CPU IMC= 1.475V
IVR TX 1.420V
SA= 1.313V
DDR5 VDD 1.500V
DDR5 VDDQ 1.450V

It only took me like three tries in and out of the bios and back to TM5. 

This is a great base line though! Now to tune it up from here.

 

Nice!

 

I stopped at SA 1.35 and switched to G4 when it wasn't posting at all at 8400 on the MSI Z790i

I pushed CPU_VDDQ (basically IVR TX) to 1.45, VDDQ and VDD (I let MSI keep them in sync) to 1.55 and a no go.

Same on the Asus Strix z790i except topping out at 7600 meant I didn't need to push SA past 1.2.

 

I'll be curious to test each slot individually today on the Strix Z790i today.