*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

What's the problem here? Put two 8-pins as cons. What's wrong with today's tech reviewers bro @Mr. Fox ? If it was dobbel up with RGB puke on the card or more fancy colors on the shroud it would probably come on the Pros side of bottom line list. 

 

Why is it so bad balancing the load between two PCIe power connectors vs  limiting it down to a single 8-pin power rail? Not all MB as etc the Apex have implemented a third 8-pin on the MB to feed it with power for all new fancy power charging features. 

ASRock Intel Arc A580 Challenger 8GB OC Review

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/10632/asrock-intel-arc-a580-challenger-8gb-oc/index.html

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

What's the problem here? Put two 8-pins as cons. What's wrong with today's tech reviewers bro @Mr. Fox ? If it was dobbel up with RGB puke on the card or more fancy colors on the shroud it would probably come on the Pros side of bottom line list. 

 

Why is it so bad balancing the load between two PCIe power connectors vs  limiting it down to a single 8-pin power rail? Not all MB as etc the Apex have implemented a third 8-pin on the MB to feed it with power for all new fancy power charging features. 

ASRock Intel Arc A580 Challenger 8GB OC Review

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/10632/asrock-intel-arc-a580-challenger-8gb-oc/index.html

Speaking of two 8-pins, which there is nothing wrong with whatsoever. Or, three, or four of them.

It arrived. Here is a quick stock run before I leave town for 4 days, LOL. See you guys when I get back.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/16150989

Everything working as expected. No issues.

[Mr. Fox]

11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Everything working as expected. No issues.

I am happy to find that RGB adjustments seem to be permanently saved to the GPU. It arrived with green LEDs turned on. I installed Gigabutt Control Center on my trash OS to change to white and it has survived multiple reboots and BIOS changes. It stays white no matter what OS is loaded. This should be a legal requirement for all products with RGB lighting. It is totally sinful and unacceptable that stupid expensive motherboards like the Apex, Encore and all the others from ASUS lack this important feature.

[tps3443]

14 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Speaking of two 8-pins, which there is nothing wrong with whatsoever. Or, three, or four of them.

It arrived. Here is a quick stock run before I leave town for 4 days, LOL. See you guys when I get back.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/16150989

Everything working as expected. No issues.

 

Hey! You should mount the Encore ram fan on the motherboard and reverse its orientation. It will blow air on the back of your new 2080Ti. That little fan at 100% is actually very very powerful. It’s actually more powerful than some 120mm fans I own 😂 and it looks clean and hidden. It works great for the backside of GPU’s.
 

 

That small ROG ram fan will surprise you.😁

[Clamibot]

@Mr. Fox Speaking of legal requirements, I think all motherboards present in all devices should be required by law to have a dual BIOS. Ones that don't should never be sold.

 

I had a bit of a scare today when flashing a BIOS update on my Lenovo Legion Go. The device stupidly decided to shut off in the middle of the update. and the power button turned red. I got freaked out for a second but remembered I read somewhere before I got the device that it had a dual BIOS, so I powered it on and off a few times until something showed on the screen again, and then the update restarted and completed successfully the second time around.

This is the first case of me ever seeing a dual BIOS in a handheld, which makes it pretty special in that regard. Had it been something like the Steam Deck or ROG Ally, I'd have been screwed. Good thing Lenovo had the foresight to include a dual BIOS in their handheld.

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, Clamibot said:

@Mr. Fox Speaking of legal requirements, I think all motherboards present in all devices should be required by law to have a dual BIOS. Ones that don't should never be sold.

 

I had a bit of a scare today when flashing a BIOS update on my Lenovo Legion Go. The device stupidly decided to shut off in the middle of the update. and the power button turned red. I got freaked out for a second but remembered I read somewhere before I got the device that it had a dual BIOS, so I powered it on and off a few times until something showed on the screen again, and then the update restarted and completed successfully the second time around.

This is the first case of me ever seeing a dual BIOS in a handheld, which makes it pretty special in that regard. Had it been something like the Steam Deck or ROG Ally, I'd have been screwed. Good thing Lenovo had the foresight to include a dual BIOS in their handheld.

Yes, I agree with that. The Dark mobos have a triple BIOS. There should be a minimum of two.

4 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 

Hey! You should mount the Encore ram fan on the motherboard and reverse its orientation. It will blow air on the back of your new 2080Ti. That little fan at 100% is actually very very powerful. It’s actually more powerful than some 120mm fans I own 😂 and it looks clean and hidden. It works great for the backside of GPU’s.
 

 

That small ROG ram fan will surprise you.😁

I will have to check that out when I get home from my business trip.

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Clamibot said:

@Mr. Fox Speaking of legal requirements, I think all motherboards present in all devices should be required by law to have a dual BIOS. Ones that don't should never be sold.

 

Even more important nowadays because Microsoft is damn keen helping the OEMs to push out bios updates if you don't want or not via their own update servers. Even the retards at Asus prefer that Microsoft update your bios. If it's oc'd to the moon doesn't matter. And the cherry on top... You get old bios versions that don't support your brand new Cpu. Dual bios is a must nowadays. And one of the reasons I don't want any of the FE models from Nvidia is because you don't get dual bios rom. Too expensive or Nvidia know what you will use it for.

 

 

Nvidia's RTX 40 Super GPUs land shockingly near MSRPs, check out these prices

[Clamibot]

Has anyone else encountered an issue where touch input on a touchscreen won't register if the screen is running below its native refresh rate? If so, how did you resolve it?

 

It never ceases to amaze me the vast amount of weirdo issues that pop up with hardware and software. As a software engineer and game dev, I see these things happen all the time, and I exect them to pop up very frequently.

[electrosoft]

Here we go again....MSI offering angled adapters for 12VHPR 🙂

 

Hey! at least I can use one with my MSI Liquid Suprim X 4090 and if it goes KABOOM! It's covered.....right?

 

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Here we go again....MSI offering angled adapters for 12VHPR 🙂

 

Hey! at least I can use one with my MSI Liquid Suprim X 4090 and if it goes KABOOM! It's covered.....right?

 

 

 

From the article..... We expect to hear more about these adapters within the next few months. LOOL, sure.

 

I havn't heard much wrong with the Corsair angled adapters so maybe MSI also can do a better job than Cablemod?😀 And maybe the MSI dragon will make the difference for you?😆 For me... No thanks. 

[Etern4l]

4 hours ago, Papusan said:

And maybe the MSI dragon will make the difference for you?😆 For me... No thanks. 

That is a worrying reference in this context since dragons generally breathe fire under stress 😂
 

BTW speaking of our “friends” at NVidia:

 

China's military and government acquire Nvidia chips despite US ban

[Clamibot]

 

Today is a good day in Dallas to do some benchmarking with a sub ambient cooler. We got what looks like a quarter inch of snow and it super cold outside. Also no wonder the air feels really dry.

[Tenoroon]

11 minutes ago, Clamibot said:

 

Today is a good day in Dallas to do some benchmarking with a sub ambient cooler. We got what looks like a quarter inch of snow and it super cold outside. Also no wonder the air feels really dry.

Here in TN it's the coldest it will probably get for the rest of winter. I plan on taking the Ranger outside with the Cicichen heatsink and see how the 4930mx does.

[Papusan]

On 1/8/2024 at 9:42 AM, electrosoft said:

4080 Super with a $200 price drop and more performance? Yes please. It went from being the laughing stock of the 4000 series to now just being mildly annoying but a good buy especially compared to the 7900xtx (unless you need 24GB of VRAM).

 

On 1/8/2024 at 6:54 PM, Papusan said:

And don't be surprised if we will see the flagship 4080 OC models at the old $1199 price tag or above. That's +$200 premium.

 

ASUS ROG STRIX RTX 4080 SUPER priced at £1,350 in the UK, 40% above NVIDIA MSRP
https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-rog-strix-rtx-4080-super-priced-at-1350-in-the-uk-40-above-nvidia-msrp

 

Remember there is huge shortage of 4090's. Some want the flagship cards so whats better than 4080 Super nowadays?  Asus know it. The same do all the other OEMs. 

 

 I hope this is just a bad April fools Joke. But we are still only in January.

 

£1,350... That's only $1,718.21 United States Dollar. But this is included the U.K Tax nightmare (still lower than here home). 

 

Is 40% price premium acceptable for the higher end SKUs? That would mean a higher end 4090 OC card would be priced at... $2238 as lowest price. Not far from todays prices for 4090's. If you cand find some.

 

China and nvidia is the big devil in this mess. + the scalpers that try grab cards for the Chineese market.

[aldarxt]

Nvidia's Secret

 

[Papusan]

35 minutes ago, aldarxt said:

Nvidia's Secret

 

 

Yup, the real Nvidia way. Is less more than more @ryan? Maybe in my disturbed world I understand the weighted values wrong🤫 

 

 

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3050-6gb-to-feature-2304-cuda-cores-and-70w-tdp

 

This new 3050 model is to feature a reduced core count, reduced memory size, bandwidth, and power. Not something that should be carrying a similar name at all.

 

One cannot help but wonder why this card is called RTX 3050, not RTX 3040.

 

 

[tps3443]

20 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Yes, I agree with that. The Dark mobos have a triple BIOS. There should be a minimum of two.

I will have to check that out when I get home from my business trip.

Yes, it’s very clean when mounted to the motherboard, just make sure you set it to 100% in the bios. It has its own designated PWM plug right on the motherboard.

 

43 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

 

ASUS ROG STRIX RTX 4080 SUPER priced at £1,350 in the UK, 40% above NVIDIA MSRP
https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-rog-strix-rtx-4080-super-priced-at-1350-in-the-uk-40-above-nvidia-msrp

 

Remember there is huge shortage of 4090's. Some want the flagship cards so whats better than 4080 Super nowadays?  Asus know it. The same do all the other OEMs. 

 

 I hope this is just a bad April fools Joke. But we are still only in January.

 

£1,350... That's only $1,718.21 United States Dollar. But this is included the U.K Tax nightmare (still lower than here home). 

 

Is 40% price premium acceptable for the higher end SKUs? That would mean a higher end 4090 OC card would be priced at... $2238 as lowest price. Not far from todays prices for 4090's. If you cand find some.

 

China and nvidia is the big devil in this mess. + the scalpers that try grab cards for the Chineese market.

I’m excited to get one! I’m probably just going to grab a 4080 Super FE if I can get so lucky. I’m selling my 3090 KP HC. And I’m genuinely excited to try another GPU. I just hope I can acquire a 4080 Super on launch day. I feel like if I don’t acquire one I’ll end up having to spend more money on a used 4090 instead. And I really don’t want to exceed the $999 budget because it kinda defeats the purpose. I really just want the new frame gen features, slightly better performance, on something more efficient. 

[aldarxt]

38 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

Yup, the real Nvidia way. Is less more than more @ryan? Maybe in my disturbed world I understand the weighted values wrong🤫 

 

 

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3050-6gb-to-feature-2304-cuda-cores-and-70w-tdp

 

This new 3050 model is to feature a reduced core count, reduced memory size, bandwidth, and power. Not something that should be carrying a similar name at all.

 

One cannot help but wonder why this card is called RTX 3050, not RTX 3040.

 

 

Nvidia employees were trained on the Less Than video!

[cylix]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

 

ASUS ROG STRIX RTX 4080 SUPER priced at £1,350 in the UK, 40% above NVIDIA MSRP
https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-rog-strix-rtx-4080-super-priced-at-1350-in-the-uk-40-above-nvidia-msrp

 

Remember there is huge shortage of 4090's. Some want the flagship cards so whats better than 4080 Super nowadays?  Asus know it. The same do all the other OEMs. 

 

 I hope this is just a bad April fools Joke. But we are still only in January.

 

£1,350... That's only $1,718.21 United States Dollar. But this is included the U.K Tax nightmare (still lower than here home). 

 

Is 40% price premium acceptable for the higher end SKUs? That would mean a higher end 4090 OC card would be priced at... $2238 as lowest price. Not far from todays prices for 4090's. If you cand find some.

 

China and nvidia is the big devil in this mess. + the scalpers that try grab cards for the Chineese market.

 

Thats the ASUS "Premium" tax, pay the name tax and later when you need to RMA it, curse them. You can get from other producers at MSRP Price or close. Dont need to pay Asus for their stupid Strix Name..

 

[Papusan]

1 hour ago, cylix said:

 

Thats the ASUS "Premium" tax, pay the name tax and later when you need to RMA it, curse them. You can get from other producers at MSRP Price or close. Dont need to pay Asus for their stupid Strix Name..

 

 

We can talk more about premium. Premium has to be today's word. Keen on helping Microsoft to pay their bill? It's only $20 USD per month @Mr. Fox Or $240 USD per year. I'm not so lucky... Only $300 with the dreaded and forced tax. Will I pay for this? Nope.

 

I wonder how much nagging we will see in Windows 10/11...... 

 

Funding AI chatbots is expensive, and Microsoft will ask nag those users who want the latest features of its Copilot AI chatbot to subscribe to a new plan: Copilot Pro, available for $20 per user per month.

Microsoft Copilot adds a premium subscription, Copilot Pro

 

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, Etern4l said:

That is a worrying reference in this context since dragons generally breathe fire under stress 😂
 

BTW speaking of our “friends” at NVidia:

 

China's military and government acquire Nvidia chips despite US ban

 

I'm shocked that China was able to acquire Nvidia chips despite the ban.....absolutely in shock I say!

 

We can throw all the tariffs and bans we want at China but with so many channels available for acquiring Nvidia hardware, it is basically impossible to stop them from getting what they want.

 

Truly, the only way to hurt China is economically at this point, and that ship is slowly but surely changing course as we (and other countries) start to look beyond optimal profitability and move manufacturing facilities to other countries.

 

We have to do what countries did to Japan economically decades ago but on a much grander scale as China potentially presents a much greater threat especially with Taiwan.

 

3 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

ASUS ROG STRIX RTX 4080 SUPER priced at £1,350 in the UK, 40% above NVIDIA MSRP
https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-rog-strix-rtx-4080-super-priced-at-1350-in-the-uk-40-above-nvidia-msrp

 

Remember there is huge shortage of 4090's. Some want the flagship cards so whats better than 4080 Super nowadays?  Asus know it. The same do all the other OEMs. 

 

 I hope this is just a bad April fools Joke. But we are still only in January.

 

£1,350... That's only $1,718.21 United States Dollar. But this is included the U.K Tax nightmare (still lower than here home). 

 

Is 40% price premium acceptable for the higher end SKUs? That would mean a higher end 4090 OC card would be priced at... $2238 as lowest price. Not far from todays prices for 4090's. If you cand find some.

 

China and nvidia is the big devil in this mess. + the scalpers that try grab cards for the Chineese market.

 

I never judge the market on Asus and their ridiculous premium price mark ups. Until consumers get it out of their heads that "Asus equals premium brand" there will continue to be a segment that will pay that massive markup on their products when they really don't deliver more than MSI and some others.

 

 

[aldarxt]

5 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

I'm shocked that China was able to acquire Nvidia chips despite the ban.....absolutely in shock I say!

 

We can throw all the tariffs and bans we want at China but with so many channels available for acquiring Nvidia hardware, it is basically impossible to stop them from getting what they want.

 

Truly, the only way to hurt China is economically at this point, and that ship is slowly but surely changing course as we (and other countries) start to look beyond optimal profitability and move manufacturing facilities to other countries.

 

We have to do what countries did to Japan economically decades ago but on a much grander scale as China potentially presents a much greater threat especially with Taiwan.

 

 

I never judge the market on Asus and their ridiculous premium price mark ups. Until consumers get it out of their heads that "Asus equals premium brand" there will continue to be a segment that will pay that massive markup on their products when they really don't deliver more than MSI and some others.

 

 

I am not shocked at all, our Govt. can't ban anything, "It is to be expected" China even hacked into one of our Aircraft Carriers out in the Pacific, one of The so called "Worlds Deadliest Weapons"

 

6 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

We can talk more about premium. Premium has to be today's word. Keen on helping Microsoft to pay their bill? It's only $20 USD per month @Mr. Fox Or $240 USD per year. I'm not so lucky... Only $300 with the dreaded and forced tax. Will I pay for this? Nope.

 

I wonder how much nagging we will see in Windows 10/11...... 

 

Funding AI chatbots is expensive, and Microsoft will ask nag those users who want the latest features of its Copilot AI chatbot to subscribe to a new plan: Copilot Pro, available for $20 per user per month.

Microsoft Copilot adds a premium subscription, Copilot Pro

 

SEEEEE!!! AI is Under Control Now!

[Mr. Fox]

NVIDIA call it "what the market bears" but that is not it at all. It's a science figuring out how much customers are willing to be screwed. Knowing when they are going to pull their pants up and walk away is key. They also need to know how many are fundamentally stupid.

 

I think maybe we should stop worrying about China's technical capabilities and focus on something more effective and easier to control. Something like cutting off their food and crude oil supply and banning travel into China or travel out of China. They can't eat silicon or AI. They need fuel to function. In an absence of fuel there is no production. Starving enemies that lack the  essentials needed to sustain life are seldom a threat. Combine that with banning the purchase and import of products that originate in China, refusal to share any knowledge or resources, and you neutralize the threat. No food + no exports + no imports + no money to buy things = third world poverty and famine. 

 

https://chinapower.csis.org/china-food-security/

 

https://www.cfr.org/article/china-increasingly-relies-imported-food-thats-problem

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, aldarxt said:

I am not shocked at all, our Govt. can't ban anything, "It is to be expected" China even hacked into one of our Aircraft Carriers out in the Pacific, one of The so called "Worlds Deadliest Weapons"

 

I meant that first line with a little bit of tongue in cheek aka sarcasm. 🙂

 

[Papusan]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

They also need to know how many are fundamentally stupid.

 

What you think they use the AI power and all personal data/privacy for?🙂 

Your friendly AI chatbot could know a lot about you from the....

 

AI could accurately guess sensitive information about a person based on what they type online, according to a new study by researchers at ETH Zurich that was published in October.