*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Papusan]

On 1/8/2024 at 6:54 PM, Papusan said:

People and the tech press talking about 4080 Super more as a bargain... It's not. Hugely overpriced with $999. Thats a price hike north of 42% over previous gen xx80 card like the 3080. It should have been sub 7% as for the 4090 over 3090. Sad if I seeing people is happy with this new DISGUSTING price tag. Even if they talk about price vs performance. No xx80 models is worth $1000. None!

 

And I feel pitty for those that paid $1199 MSRP for the vanilla 4080 SKUs. And what with those that paid normal MSRP for 4080 Strix OC at same MSRP as the cheapest 4090 models? No thanks. The 4090 at MSRP is the only good option this gen cards. Overpriced yes, but not a scam as the xx80 cards. Super or not super.

 

And don't be surprised if we will see the flagship 4080 OC models at the old $1199 price tag or above. That's +$200 premium.

 

What's wrong with some people bro @Mr. Fox ?

 

 

 

If you want the new  4080 Super maybe see if you can find 4080's cheaper than the coming "Super" disappointment. A measly wimpy 2.4% performance boost in benchmarks with faster vram and +5% more cores isn't exactly very exciting. And $999 is still all too much for xx80 tier cards. Yup, if you can find a custom 4080 AIB card below $899 vanilla Super this is probably the way to go. Or just see if you can find the 4080 Super FE at msrp. Paying premium for custom Super of this card is a massive waste of money.

 

NVIDIA RTX 4080 SUPER tested: up to 2.4% faster in 3DMark, similar gaming performance to RTX 4080
 

Yup 0.0020% performance gain in 3DM Time Spy. And what with 3DM Port Royal? A huge 0.0109% performance jump. Nice. I have never seen such a small gen performance uplift from vanilla to Super from same SKU series cards. Maybe Nvidia also this time screwed up and made a buggy/messy firmware. Who knows. But this is shockingly bad if this results is real/correct. 

 

Almost identical FPS between the 4080 and the upcoming Super card. Yep, I hope the Chinese gamers being excited by this nvidia launch. Can't see it otherway than the castrated 4090D will sell well in China if the gamers want flagship card (4K) performance.

 

[electrosoft]

9 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Well, still no CPU. USPS keeps "parking" it at different places for several days for no reason that I can identify. It sat in NY for several days, then moved to the Phoenix hub and sat there for three days, and now it is in transit to my local post office (finally). It looks as though I might have it tomorrow. So, for now I finished the build using a dual core Celeron from my spare parts stash as a temporary placeholder. Cable management wasn't as difficult as I expected, but this isn't a ridiculously small chassis (thank goodness). I am using a sheet of indium cut to the size of the IHS and the Celeron stays under 40°C with a load test, LOL. That will  leave me with no thermal paste to clean up when the 13900KS from Sweden is delivered. I will use it in the midget PC for a while then delid it and move it to one of the Apex machines to run bare die, then put the lowest SP quality 13900KS into the midget PC. This is the motherboard I purchased from Brother @electrosoft. It finally arrived today. Not sure what the deal is with USPS, but they're really messed up right now. They suck more than I have ever seen them suck before. Our tax dollars hard at work. Thanks, Brandon.

I've got more messes to clean up with the big Dark Base Pro on a wheeled platform down below. Will have to figure out how to manage the extra stuff next weekend, but everything is connected and working in spite of the wiring and tubing rat's nest.

Just for giggles... nice temps from both cores, LOL.

 

Thank you. It was a pleasant but uneventful day. I hope your birthday was a good one. too.

 

Glad to see it finally arrived safe and sound! The MSI Z790I Edge (along with this Carbon and previous Pro variants I used....even the Tomahawk) has really solidified MSI as my favorite followed closely with Asus now that EVGA has exited stage left.

 

The memory sticks I sold same day as your MB shipping to MO are STILL in the wind parked in Kansas City since January 24th....grrrrr.

 

22 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

If you want the new  4080 Super maybe see if you can find 4080's cheaper than the coming "Super" disappointment. A measly wimpy 2.4% performance boost in benchmarks with faster vram and +5% more cores isn't exactly very exciting. And $999 is still all too much for xx80 tier cards. Yup, if you can find a custom 4080 AIB card below $899 vanilla Super this is probably the way to go. Or just see if you can find the 4080 Super FE at msrp. Paying premium for custom Super of this card is a massive waste of money.

 

NVIDIA RTX 4080 SUPER tested: up to 2.4% faster in 3DMark, similar gaming performance to RTX 4080
 

Yup 0.0020% performance gain in 3DM Time Spy. And what with 3DM Port Royal? A huge 0.0109% performance jump. Nice. I have never seen such a small gen performance uplift from vanilla to Super from same SKU series cards. Maybe Nvidia also this time screwed up and made a buggy/messy firmware. Who knows. But this is shockingly bad if this results is real/correct. 

 

Almost identical FPS between the 4080 and the upcoming Super card. Yep, I hope the Chinese gamers being excited by this nvidia launch. Can't see it otherway than the castrated 4090D will sell well in China if the gamers want flagship card performance.

 

 

3080 10GB at $700 in Sept, 2020 is the same as ~$825 today.

 

Over three years later. More advanced across the board and costs have and will go up on everything starting with TSMC.

 

The idea of XX80 cards being the same price generation to generation just isn't realistic with real world economical factors but it is clear that Nvidia was super greedy (Ngreedia!) with the 4080 on launch asking $1200 and the fact we're getting more for $200 less when costs have gone up everywhere shows you they hit a wall and had to adjust down.

 

I'd like to think AMD and their 7900XTX had a bit to do with that too with gamers who don't care about RT and just want pure gaming rasterization weren't willing to pony up an additional $200 for a card with substantially less VRAM and basically the same performance when all was said and done.

 

 

 

[Etern4l]

16 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

Glad to see it finally arrived safe and sound! The MSI Z790I Edge (along with this Carbon and previous Pro variants I used....even the Tomahawk) has really solidified MSI as my favorite followed closely with Asus now that EVGA has exited stage left.

 

The memory sticks I sold same day as your MB shipping to MO are STILL in the wind parked in Kansas City since January 24th....grrrrr.

 

 

3080 10GB at $700 in Sept, 2020 is the same as ~$825 today.

 

Over three years later. More advanced across the board and costs have and will go up on everything starting with TSMC.

 

The idea of XX80 cards being the same price generation to generation just isn't realistic with real world economical factors but it is clear that Nvidia was super greedy (Ngreedia!) with the 4080 on launch asking $1200 and the fact we're getting more for $200 less when costs have gone up everywhere shows you they hit a wall and had to adjust down.

 

By applying NVidia’s 4000 series predatory pricing logic (price proportional to power relative to previous gen) recursively, a personal computer today should cost somewhere between a billion and trillion dollars, because that’s how much more value you get vs Commodore C64 or Apple II. Fortunately there is a world outside of Jensen’s bubble.

[electrosoft]

11 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

By applying NVidia’s 4000 series predatory pricing logic (price proportional to power relative to previous gen) recursively, a personal computer today should cost somewhere between a billion and trillion dollars, because that’s how much more value you get vs Commodore C64 or Apple II. Fortunately there is a world outside of Jensen’s bubble.

 

Agreed trying to scale performance per $ that model holds true, but it isn't as black and white as that applied to Nvidia and that historic price:performance modeling doesn't apply here (except coincidentally) unless applied across the entire stack as we see pricing on other models did not scale like the 4080  performance per $. The 4090 $1599 MSRP actually produced MORE value than the 3090 (of course that's currently being subtly and not so subtly adjusted out of existence for many cards). The 4080 was just an insane price hike to see what the market would bear coming off of ludicrous pricing during the crypto-pandemic era where cards were commanding stupidly high prices due to demand especially the 3080 which was immediately seen as a fantastic value for a great card and was routinely going for triple its $699.99 price for many months on eBay, StockX and more. You will always have maximizing profits vs what consumers will bear and you tend to meet somewhere along that price curve. Nvidia wanted a piece of the insane profit pie and then some.

 

Nvidia clearly made a course correction with the xx80 class cards as they FAFO'd for various reasons (poor value even within the entire 4000 stack, AMD 7900XTX, recession, inflation, etc...) sales were poor enough to merit a significant price reduction along with a modest (to say the least) bump in performance.

 

 

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

Agreed trying to scale performance per $ that model holds true, but it isn't as black and white as that applied to Nvidia and that historic price:performance modeling doesn't apply here (except coincidentally) unless applied across the entire stack as we see pricing on other models did not scale like the 4080  performance per $. The 4090 $1599 MSRP actually produced MORE value than the 3090 (of course that's currently being subtly and not so subtly adjusted out of existence for many cards). The 4080 was just an insane price hike to see what the market would bear coming off of ludicrous pricing during the crypto-pandemic era where cards were commanding stupidly high prices due to demand especially the 3080 which was immediately seen as a fantastic value for a great card and was routinely going for triple its $699.99 price for many months on eBay, StockX and more. You will always have maximizing profits vs what consumers will bear and you tend to meet somewhere along that price curve. Nvidia wanted a piece of the insane profit pie and then some.

 

Nvidia clearly made a course correction with the xx80 class cards as they FAFO'd for various reasons (poor value even within the entire 4000 stack, AMD 7900XTX, recession, inflation, etc...) sales were poor enough to merit a significant price reduction along with a modest (to say the least) bump in performance.

 

 

IIRC 3090 Ti was being offered for around 1100 for quite a while, which was sensible procing, then they fell off the wagon again and offered a roughly equivalent albeit gimped in the memory and pro features 4080 card at the same price and 4090 at a 50% premium. Using crypto-madness era launch prices as points of reference is not very useful when discussing expected pricing in healthy market circumstances. Titan cards were normally priced around $1200 mark, except the Titan V and RTX Titan aberrations, both also fuelled by mining (although those at least provided an extended set of pro features - 4090 does not).

[saturnotaku]

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

3080 10GB at $700 in Sept, 2020 is the same as ~$825 today.

 

Over three years later. More advanced across the board and costs have and will go up on everything starting with TSMC.

 

The idea of XX80 cards being the same price generation to generation just isn't realistic with real world economical factors but it is clear that Nvidia was super greedy (Ngreedia!) with the 4080 on launch asking $1200 and the fact we're getting more for $200 less when costs have gone up everywhere shows you they hit a wall and had to adjust down.

 

Much as it sucks from the consumer's perspective, NVIDIA's (and AMD's and Intel's) primary responsibility is to its shareholders so the company is only going to do what is in those people's best interests. At the same time, it's asinine to say that every higher-end GPU should never cost more than $700 ever (this is an exaggeration of course, but you get my drift). As much as I like HUB, this is something they do all the time. The GeForce3 was $500 at its launch in 2001, which would be more than $870 today.

[tps3443]

8 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

If you want the new  4080 Super maybe see if you can find 4080's cheaper than the coming "Super" disappointment. A measly wimpy 2.4% performance boost in benchmarks with faster vram and +5% more cores isn't exactly very exciting. And $999 is still all too much for xx80 tier cards. Yup, if you can find a custom 4080 AIB card below $899 vanilla Super this is probably the way to go. Or just see if you can find the 4080 Super FE at msrp. Paying premium for custom Super of this card is a massive waste of money.

 

NVIDIA RTX 4080 SUPER tested: up to 2.4% faster in 3DMark, similar gaming performance to RTX 4080
 

Yup 0.0020% performance gain in 3DM Time Spy. And what with 3DM Port Royal? A huge 0.0109% performance jump. Nice. I have never seen such a small gen performance uplift from vanilla to Super from same SKU series cards. Maybe Nvidia also this time screwed up and made a buggy/messy firmware. Who knows. But this is shockingly bad if this results is real/correct. 

 

Almost identical FPS between the 4080 and the upcoming Super card. Yep, I hope the Chinese gamers being excited by this nvidia launch. Can't see it otherway than the castrated 4090D will sell well in China if the gamers want flagship card (4K) performance.

 

Those comparisons are kinda bad, hopefully we’ll see some better ones soon. 😂 the first tell tell sign it looks like the old 4080 is faster in one or equal to in others to the new 4080 Super. 
 

The RTX4080 Super isn’t really anything special or mean’t to be much faster than a 4080 to begin with I guess though, the biggest thing is it’s $200 cheaper. But not just that, they have the fastest GDDR6X available today, and better silicon than standard 4080’s. 😁
 

I’m gonna guess and say they will overclock really well with new improved GDDR6X, and better manufacturing process.
 

The RTX4080 Super will essentially offer 65% to 70% of a RTX4090 for almost half the cost of a RTX4090. I say “Almost half” because I haven’t found a RTX4090 for any less than $1800 USD.

 

Thats a pretty good bargain! With current market though we’re forced to take the cut and pay $999 for a 2/3rd RTX4090 🤣

 

The used RTX4090 market is literally MSRP +20% on top. So really, the 4070Ti Super and even 4080 Super are strong values in comparison. Even the worst and most expensive 4070Ti Super, the “Asus ROG STRIX 4070Ti Super” is probably the worst value at $949.99, however it’s still about half the performance and 43% the cost of a Strix ROG 4090, so then again it’s not necessarily the worst purchase in the world. 

[Mr. Fox]

52 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

The used RTX4090 market is literally MSRP +20% on top.

I should sell my 4090 and use the money to buy two 4080S and a 14900K.

 

It is sad that the only product that is worthy of respect is priced in a manner that is deserving ridicule and condemnation.

 

To be more precise, the people responsible for those circumstances are deserving of ridicule and condemnation. They are unworthy of gainful employment, a secure future, happiness and good health. 

 

Fortunes that last are built upon generosity, not greed and self-serving interests, are the only kind that will stand the test of time. 

[electrosoft]

6 hours ago, Etern4l said:

IIRC 3090 Ti was being offered for around 1100 for quite a while, which was sensible procing, then they fell off the wagon again and offered a roughly equivalent albeit gimped in the memory and pro features 4080 card at the same price and 4090 at a 50% premium. Using crypto-madness era launch prices as points of reference is not very useful when discussing expected pricing in healthy market circumstances. Titan cards were normally priced around $1200 mark, except the Titan V and RTX Titan aberrations, both also fuelled by mining (although those at least provided an extended set of pro features - 4090 does not).

 

3090ti launched at $1999 before the Cryptocrash fully took hold and companies were loaded down with grossly overpriced cards with ADA right around the corner so reality settled in quickly and they lowered their prices to ~$1099-1199. 🤑🫢 The 3090ti launch price was based on the 3090 launching at $1499.99 just as I expect if or when we get a 4090ti it will launch at $1800-$2000. That's just Nvidia being Ngreedia.

 

I purposely mentioned the original MSRP of the 3080 ($699) and how the crypto-pandemic dark times caused prices to skyrocket. Once crypto-stupidity kicked in that's when scalping and re-sellers were letting the market forces speak and those same cards were now commanding $2k+ and 3k+ respectively.....crazy. Nvidia responded exactly as I expected them to respond to seeing that if given a certain set of circumstances even normal consumers (IE not crypto miners)would pay outlandish prices for GPUs.

 

I'm not shocked prices continue to go up as long as there is demand. Fortunately demand hit a hard brick wall for the original 4080 and Nvidia finally had to price/feature correct. We have also seen a much more toned down price adjustment with the other Super cards with Nvidia giving them a spec bump and not raising prices but keeping them the same as original launch MSRPs. The bump to the 4070 Super is pretty substantial that has it nipping at the original 4070ti and yet the price stayed the same as 4070 MSRP launch pricing.

 

The 4090 is a halo product and kind of sits out in its own world doing its own thing with plenty of demand for AD102 chips on several levels. I still see a pretty big gap between the 4080 Super and the 4090 for a 4080ti for ~$1250-$1300 if Nvidia wants to give it a go with cut down/defective AD102 dies I'm sure they're stockpiling.

 

1 hour ago, saturnotaku said:

 

Much as it sucks from the consumer's perspective, NVIDIA's (and AMD's and Intel's) primary responsibility is to its shareholders so the company is only going to do what is in those people's best interests. At the same time, it's asinine to say that every higher-end GPU should never cost more than $700 ever (this is an exaggeration of course, but you get my drift). As much as I like HUB, this is something they do all the time. The GeForce3 was $500 at its launch in 2001, which would be more than $870 today.

 

Agreed 100%. This is the point I keep trying to get across is corporations like Nvidia, AMD, Intel, Microsoft, Goggle, Apple, etc... are here to maximize profits and please their shareholders. Expecting altruistic or pricing that is incongruent to their shareholder's desires is not firing on all cylinders. Expecting prices to not reflect increased costs and inflation along with oodles of profiteering just doesn't make sense.

 

1 hour ago, tps3443 said:

Those comparisons are kinda bad, hopefully we’ll see some better ones soon. 😂 the first tell tell sign it looks like the old 4080 is faster in one or equal to in others to the new 4080 Super. 
 

The RTX4080 Super isn’t really anything special or mean’t to be much faster than a 4080 to begin with I guess though, the biggest thing is it’s $200 cheaper. But not just that, they have the fastest GDDR6X available today, and better silicon than standard 4080’s. 😁
 

I’m gonna guess and say they will overclock really well with new improved GDDR6X, and better manufacturing process.
 

The RTX4080 Super will essentially offer 65% to 70% of a RTX4090 for almost half the cost of a RTX4090. I say “Almost half” because I haven’t found a RTX4090 for any less than $1800 USD.

 

Thats a pretty good bargain! With current market though we’re forced to take the cut and pay $999 for a 2/3rd RTX4090 🤣

 

The used RTX4090 market is literally MSRP +20% on top. So really, the 4070Ti Super and even 4080 Super are strong values in comparison. Even the worst and most expensive 4070Ti Super, the “Asus ROG STRIX 4070Ti Super” is probably the worst value at $949.99, however it’s still about half the performance and 43% the cost of a Strix ROG 4090, so then again it’s not necessarily the worst purchase in the world. 

 

Good value goes out the door once you want top tier gear and the law of diminishing returns kicks into overdrive....

 

.....for example.....

 

.....your 14900k. 🙂

 

So pick your performance poison!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Papusan]

On 6/26/2023 at 5:16 PM, Etern4l said:

Sorry to hear, not how you want to spend your holiday. 32C over the weekend in the UK. Pretty crazy to see this and similar temps all the way up in Norway. Yeah, A/C is a must now - wasn’t quite the case 10 years ago…

 

On 6/27/2023 at 2:46 AM, Papusan said:

Thats still hot. But if you can keep temp below 24-25C inside with an AC unit it helps a lot. I feel the problems come if the indoor temp start passing 26-27C. If its above 30C inside I start to have some real problems. Now in the night I have 25C innside with the windows up and 20.5C outside. 25C inside is okish to sit in but more difficult if you try sleep in the nights. As it is now... Difficult to sleep well. 

 

I may buy an heatpump for the fall/winter. This way I can have both the heat capacity in the winters (in combination with wood oven/oven as well have the aircondition funtionality the few weeks I need it in the summer. A heatpump isn't enough when the cold start... You need woodoven also. Middle Norway and further North and a heatpump ain't enough to heat up houses. They are only effecive from zero to 10 minus. But I really need that AC functionality now, HaHa

 

It cost around $2500-2800 but I will save some money on the heat functionality in the winters. I mean it will offer 3.5 times more heat for same amount money for each KW/h. So after 8 years it may pay off. Same time save my life in the summer 🙂

 

Almost forgot this one. I finally bought an Heat/AC pump for this winter. In short , two birds with one stone. A real AC unit to pump cold air when the summer temps is awful and a real heat source when the winter cold start up in the fall. Paid slight above $3000 USD for the unit and with the mounting job. The pump will give 6 times feeeded power. The pump offer 7KW/h heat and about the same for the cooling capacity. If you etc feed it with 1KW/h power and you'll get 6KW/h back as heat/cold. The pump will pay itself within 7-8 years and afterwards with a lifespan of 15-20 year it should provide quite some profits due ongoing awful electricity prices forwards here home.

 

Not sure what you pay for monthly electricity in U.S but we pay from $200-300 USD per months depending on outdoor temperatures. 

 

And for the pict lover bro Electro. The madam wanted some more lights in the livingroom. I could mount it if I picked the lamp color.... I put up the spot rail and of course the lamps colors was in All black. Even the dreaded darkness here up in the cold and stormy North matching all black, HaHa 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

 

Good value goes out the door once you want top tier gear and the law of diminishing returns kicks into overdrive....

 

.....for example.....

 

.....your 14900k. 🙂

 

So pick your performance poison!

Does not count. Totally worth it!!!. 🤣

But I know what you mean, spending 4090 money on a CPU with a retail value of about $500ish 🫠. I'm the worst of the worst when it comes to performance per dollar. 

On another note, I have not been that interested in super high-end GPUs lately. There is no tuning aspect like CPU and DDR5. I love CPU and memory overclocking more than GPU's. 

Just going to grab a 4080 Super and enjoy a new GPU and features. Hey its 01/31/2024!! Thats 4080 Super launch day. 

IM READY!

 

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I should sell my 4090 and use the money to buy two 4080S and a 14900K.

 

It is sad that the only product that is worthy of respect is priced in a manner that is deserving ridicule and condemnation.

 

To be more precise, the people responsible for those circumstances are deserving of ridicule and condemnation. They are unworthy of gainful employment, a secure future, happiness and good health. 

 

Fortunes that last are built upon generosity, not greed and self-serving interests, are the only kind that will stand the test of time. 

For $999 it's not a bad deal. I miss the days when a xx80 series GPU was $649.99 though!!! However, back when that was a thing, I was too young and poor to afford that lol 🤣

[jaybee83]

13 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

If you want the new  4080 Super maybe see if you can find 4080's cheaper than the coming "Super" disappointment. A measly wimpy 2.4% performance boost in benchmarks with faster vram and +5% more cores isn't exactly very exciting. And $999 is still all too much for xx80 tier cards. Yup, if you can find a custom 4080 AIB card below $899 vanilla Super this is probably the way to go. Or just see if you can find the 4080 Super FE at msrp. Paying premium for custom Super of this card is a massive waste of money.

 

NVIDIA RTX 4080 SUPER tested: up to 2.4% faster in 3DMark, similar gaming performance to RTX 4080
 

Yup 0.0020% performance gain in 3DM Time Spy. And what with 3DM Port Royal? A huge 0.0109% performance jump. Nice. I have never seen such a small gen performance uplift from vanilla to Super from same SKU series cards. Maybe Nvidia also this time screwed up and made a buggy/messy firmware. Who knows. But this is shockingly bad if this results is real/correct. 

 

Almost identical FPS between the 4080 and the upcoming Super card. Yep, I hope the Chinese gamers being excited by this nvidia launch. Can't see it otherway than the castrated 4090D will sell well in China if the gamers want flagship card (4K) performance.

 

 

the only good thing i get out of these charts is the massive perf. jump going from "everything else" to the 4090 😄 

 

12 hours ago, Etern4l said:

By applying NVidia’s 4000 series predatory pricing logic (price proportional to power relative to previous gen) recursively, a personal computer today should cost somewhere between a billion and trillion dollars, because that’s how much more value you get vs Commodore C64 or Apple II. Fortunately there is a world outside of Jensen’s bubble.

 

11 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Agreed trying to scale performance per $ that model holds true, but it isn't as black and white as that applied to Nvidia and that historic price:performance modeling doesn't apply here (except coincidentally) unless applied across the entire stack as we see pricing on other models did not scale like the 4080  performance per $. The 4090 $1599 MSRP actually produced MORE value than the 3090 (of course that's currently being subtly and not so subtly adjusted out of existence for many cards). The 4080 was just an insane price hike to see what the market would bear coming off of ludicrous pricing during the crypto-pandemic era where cards were commanding stupidly high prices due to demand especially the 3080 which was immediately seen as a fantastic value for a great card and was routinely going for triple its $699.99 price for many months on eBay, StockX and more. You will always have maximizing profits vs what consumers will bear and you tend to meet somewhere along that price curve. Nvidia wanted a piece of the insane profit pie and then some.

 

Nvidia clearly made a course correction with the xx80 class cards as they FAFO'd for various reasons (poor value even within the entire 4000 stack, AMD 7900XTX, recession, inflation, etc...) sales were poor enough to merit a significant price reduction along with a modest (to say the least) bump in performance.

 

 

 

welp, its kinda our own fault...we jumped onto the ridonkulous prices during the pandemic when everyone and their dog bought a new system, so that let Nvidia and the others know: ooooh, well would u look at that. youre willing to pay THAT much?! ok then, here u go, never going back down again! MWAHAHA

 

5 hours ago, saturnotaku said:

 

Much as it sucks from the consumer's perspective, NVIDIA's (and AMD's and Intel's) primary responsibility is to its shareholders so the company is only going to do what is in those people's best interests. At the same time, it's asinine to say that every higher-end GPU should never cost more than $700 ever (this is an exaggeration of course, but you get my drift). As much as I like HUB, this is something they do all the time. The GeForce3 was $500 at its launch in 2001, which would be more than $870 today.

 

good point, while inflation is currently being touted as the perfect excuse for pretty much everything greed-related, it DOES actually have an impact over longer time periods.

[Etern4l]

9 hours ago, saturnotaku said:

The GeForce3 was $500 at its launch in 2001, which would be more than $870 today.

 

You can't look at general US inflation to explain GPU pricing, it's a factor probably, but a minor one, but it's also circular - consumer good prices are an input to that (super coarse one, I would be surprised if they look at GPU pricing specifically there).

 

8 hours ago, tps3443 said:

The RTX4080 Super will essentially offer 65% to 70% of a RTX4090

 

Setting the expectations low to avoid disappointment? That's fair lol

 

That said, techpowerup have 4090 at 17% faster than 4080S on average:

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4080-super.c4182

 

I think that's estimated at this point, so fingers crossed for you there.

 

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

3090ti launched at $1999 before the Cryptocrash fully took hold and companies were loaded down with grossly overpriced cards with ADA right around the corner so reality settled in quickly and they lowered their prices to ~$1099-1199. 🤑🫢

 

Exactly, so they attempted to exploit the crypto-pandemics, failing that prices returned to the set-point.

 

7 hours ago, electrosoft said:

The 3090ti launch price was based on the 3090 launching at $1499.99 just as I expect if or when we get a 4090ti it will launch at $1800-$2000. That's just Nvidia being Ngreedia.

 

I think we just established that the excessive launch pricing of the 3090Ti "halo product" was based on the attempt to exploit crypto. Nothing more.

 

Now, I hate to break it to you, but all the rumours about 4090 Titan, Ti, Super etc have failed to materialise. I doubt we will see any of those cards anytime soon. NVidia is too busy selling full fat AD102 chips at 6k+ a pop, and any inferior silicon is pushed to gamers as 4090 or to "restricted markets" as 4090D. Yep, sorry but 4090 is just a way to recycle scraps from the big and small AI boys' table. Now, if not for the AI-pandemic, 4090 would have already been reduced to the sensible $1200 range and NVidia would have already attempted to push the  full fat chip to gamers/enthusiast market via a Titan or Ti product. While 4090 prices could come down a little due to market burnout and 4080S, fat chance of the latter happening (which is good news for those who paid up for 4090 at launch or AI-pandemic prices).

 

I guess my point is that that the reasonable, set point, price of those halo products is around $1200, and there is market pricing evidence for that - anything above is due to abnormal demand from crypto and AI. Now, obviously the AI people are not stupid (and even if they were - chat bots to the rescue lol), and they are hating the NVidia situation too, so efforts are ongoing left and right to get alternative solutions via AMD/Intel and custom silicon. If I were in a market for a new rig today, I would strongly consider AMD given the improvements on the software side. So, if this is the time for NVidia to scr3w their customers as hard as possible (as they should, you say, but I wonder if that won't hurt them long term via reduced consumer sentiment), but this jolly time will likely pass as the situation is unsustainable.

 

Edit: remember that all this is happening against the backdrop of collapsing PC sales (which surely must have something to do with those crazy GPU prices). Intel is hanging in there by a thread. We are collectively on our knees, with NVidia's dagger in our backs which they refuse to pull out, just a little twist here and there via "Super" offerings. Doesn't really matter if the PC market dies or not, all Mad Jensen cares about is AI.

 

[jaybee83]

1 hour ago, Etern4l said:

 

You can't look at general US inflation to explain GPU pricing, it's a factor probably, but a minor one, but it's also circular - consumer good prices are an input to that (super coarse one, I would be surprised if they look at GPU pricing specifically there).

 

 

Setting the expectations low to avoid disappointment? That's fair lol

 

That said, techpowerup have 4090 at 17% faster than 4080S on average:

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4080-super.c4182

 

I think that's estimated at this point, so fingers crossed for you there.

 

 

Exactly, so they attempted to exploit the crypto-pandemics, failing that prices returned to the set-point.

 

 

I think we just established that the excessive launch pricing of the 3090Ti "halo product" was based on the attempt to exploit crypto. Nothing more.

 

Now, I hate to break it to you, but all the rumours about 4090 Titan, Ti, Super etc have failed to materialise. I doubt we will see any of those cards anytime soon. NVidia is too busy selling full fat AD102 chips at 6k+ a pop, and any inferior silicon is pushed to gamers as 4090 or to "restricted markets" as 4090D. Yep, sorry but 4090 is just a way to recycle scraps from the big and small AI boys' table. Now, if not for the AI-pandemic, 4090 would have already been reduced to the sensible $1200 range and NVidia would have already attempted to push the  full fat chip to gamers/enthusiast market via a Titan or Ti product. While 4090 prices could come down a little due to market burnout and 4080S, fat chance of the latter happening (which is good news for those who paid up for 4090 at launch or AI-pandemic prices).

 

I guess my point is that that the reasonable, set point, price of those halo products is around $1200, and there is market pricing evidence for that - anything above is due to abnormal demand from crypto and AI. Now, obviously the AI people are not stupid (and even if they were - chat bots to the rescue lol), and they are hating the NVidia situation too, so efforts are ongoing left and right to get alternative solutions via AMD/Intel and custom silicon. If I were in a market for a new rig today, I would strongly consider AMD given the improvements on the software side. So, if this is the time for NVidia to scr3w their customers as hard as possible (as they should, you say, but I wonder if that won't hurt them long term via reduced consumer sentiment), but this jolly time will likely pass as the situation is unsustainable.

 

Edit: remember that all this is happening against the backdrop of collapsing PC sales (which surely must have something to do with those crazy GPU prices). Intel is hanging in there by a thread. We are collectively on our knees, with NVidia's dagger in our backs which they refuse to pull out, just a little twist here and there via "Super" offerings. Doesn't really matter if the PC market dies or not, all Mad Jensen cares about is AI.

 

 

agreed, there likely will not be anything more powerful than the 4090 for this gen. plus, if AMD really pulls back to mainstream for RDNA4, it could very well be that Blackwell will be a "meh" generational upgrade at like +20% similar to the 20 series. lets see what we get...

[Talon]

https://www.techradar.com/computing/gpu/nvidia-rtx-4090-super-and-rtx-titan-could-be-back-on-the-menu-because-rtx-5000-gpus-might-slide-to-2025

 

If they drop an RTX Titan, dang. 48gb and full core with huge cache. That would be a monster gaming GPU. Probably monster price at $2500 easily. 

 

Intel LGA 1700 not dead yet? New refresh inbound later this year along side Arrow Lake? 

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/budget-focused-bartlett-lake-s-reportedly-intels-fourth-desktop-lga-1700-cpu-series

[Etern4l]

27 minutes ago, Talon said:

https://www.techradar.com/computing/gpu/nvidia-rtx-4090-super-and-rtx-titan-could-be-back-on-the-menu-because-rtx-5000-gpus-might-slide-to-2025

 

If they drop an RTX Titan, dang. 48gb and full core with huge cache. That would be a monster gaming GPU. Probably monster price at $2500 easily. 

if you look closely at that piece,  it’s nothing more than clickbait and speculation. If I could, I would happily bet you $2500 there won’t be any 48GB Titan cards in 2024, much less priced at that level. 

[Mr. Fox]

If Battlemage hits the shopping cart at around  $500 and falls within slapping distance of 7900 XTX/4070 Ti/4080 it will be a financial upset to AMD and NVIDIA. Apart from that, I think the only thing we can count on with GPUs is getting screwed over on pricing. 

 

This 13900KS seems really good. I still have it in the ITX system with that same sheet of indium instead of thermal paste. I have all P-cores at 57x, E-cores at 47x, Cache at 50x with 1.250V and -0.075V offset and MSI LLC 4. VID and VCore are almost exactly the same value. Using a sheet of indium has never worked well for me. I bought the material as an experiment. It never melts. I peeled it off the Celeron and layed it on the 13900KS and reassembled, expecting tragic thermals. But, in spite of that the temperatures are not nearly as horrible as I expected them to be.

 

I've ordered a cheap A-die kit to replace this Crucial DDR5 Pro kit I got for free. I am running it at 6000 with sloppy timings and it's not that great. Nor did I expect it to be. Latency with a capital L with this mainstream memory kit. Tastes and smells like a Ryzen latency, maybe even a little worse, with this mainstream zombie memory, LOL. To be fair, all I did was change the memory speed to 6000 and bumped the voltage from 1.100V to 1.300V, did not tune anything on the memory. It booted and ran stable, so there is room for improvement (although maybe not worth the effort).

 

I have no idea how to interpret the MSI CPU Force rating. I have not really started tuning anything since I am using this as my work PC right now and I've spent most of my time on ASUS software cancer exorcism (wow, what a chore). I just moved the NVMe image from the Encore to the MSI board. So far this morning, I am just randomly setting BIOS values (everything was on "Auto" before) to see what happens, so I am fairly confident I can go lower with the voltage and the temps would certainly drop with some KPX or MX6 in place of the indium sheet.

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

8 hours ago, Papusan said:

 

 

Almost forgot this one. I finally bought an Heat/AC pump for this winter. In short , two birds with one stone. A real AC unit to pump cold air when the summer temps is awful and a real heat source when the winter cold start up in the fall. Paid slight above $3000 USD for the unit and with the mounting job. The pump will give 6 times feeeded power. The pump offer 7KW/h heat and about the same for the cooling capacity. If you etc feed it with 1KW/h power and you'll get 6KW/h back as heat/cold. The pump will pay itself within 7-8 years and afterwards with a lifespan of 15-20 year it should provide quite some profits due ongoing awful electricity prices forwards here home.

 

Not sure what you pay for monthly electricity in U.S but we pay from $200-300 USD per months depending on outdoor temperatures. 

 

And for the pict lover bro Electro. The madam wanted some more lights in the livingroom. I could mount it if I picked the lamp color.... I put up the spot rail and of course the lamps colors was in All black. Even the dreaded darkness here up in the cold and stormy North matching all black, HaHa 

That looks very nice. Tasteful decorum. Our electric bill here is about $125 in the winter (seldom need heat) and around $375-$400 due to HVAC overload when mother nature's blast furnace is running.

 

Edit: OK... minor changes to primary timings and tREFI, but substantial improvement on latency.

 

Edited January 31 by Mr. Fox
tweaked the Crucial DDR5 a little just for giggles

[cylix]

HAHAHA

 

Gamers Nexus one sentence review: 1 to 3% better. Thank everyone for watching.

 

Nvidia learned from Intel 14th launch 🤣

 

 

[Etern4l]

10 minutes ago, cylix said:

HAHAHA

 

Gamers Nexus one sentence review: 1 to 3% better. Thank everyone for watching.

 

Nvidia learned from Intel 14th launch 🤣

 

 

Yeah, that’s what I suspected. They gimped this to avoid cannibalising the profitable sales of AI scraps. Guess NVidia would like people to think that $1k for a 16GB gaming card is money spent Super-Well. There is still hope though? 4080 Ti Super-Duper anyone lol

 

The ongoing running joke aside, little doubt the business model is: put most fab capacity on AD102 and H100, sell AD102 leftovers as expensively as possible via 4090/D. I’m actually surprised they cut the prices of those Super offerings, must be caused by some annoying inventory buildup.

 

 

 

 

 

[Talon]

10 minutes ago, cylix said:

HAHAHA

 

Gamers Nexus one sentence review: 1 to 3% better. Thank everyone for watching.

 

Nvidia learned from Intel 14th launch 🤣

 

 

 

Grabbed a 4080 Super FE for $999 and free overnight shipment from Best Buy. The price cut has made the card a good offering. 

 

Looks like 4080 Super is actually using 24gbps spec vram even though they're shipping with 23gbps speed. All cards seem to be using this when looking at the chips on the teardowns at tech power up. 

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-super-founders-edition/43.html

 

4080 FE Super gained 8% with overclock. Pretty nice.

[ryan]

managed to get 55 processes with a usable setup. everything works just disabled everything down to just the absolute minimum give or take 1 process. finally eh, was looking for a way to do this for a while took alot of trial and error as many things are intertwined with one another.

 

 

does nothing for benchmarks, temps are at 58c overclocked windows open 8c outside 19c inside. 64gb ram isn't really helping over the old 16gb. bought a 55in OLED TV Lg B2 pretty happy with it, much the same way @tps3443 was happy with his oled monitor, it just adds to the experience. gave up on gaming on PC. too expensive and all the decent games are just ports will be picking up a series x today. only really interested in crysis/forza/halo so its a no brainer keeping my laptop and just buying a xbox. makes me wanna cry that PC gaming is like this(ports).

 

also found the holy grail of unknown apps/

 

faronics Deep freeze.

 

setup your computer how you want, freeze it and everytime you reboot it reverts anything and everything instantly. best app iv'e used in 20 years, no one talks about it. better solution than macrum reflect

[tps3443]

 

 

I woke up late at 9:14AM lol. Best Buy inventory was already gone, Newegg was loaded up, and I took forever deciding which one. Then they started dropping like flies after trying to check out with some of them.

 

So I got a MSI 4080 Super Expert, it’s like a FE model. I just feel bad I got scalped for an extra $149.99 by MSI/Newegg.

 

[Talon]

1 minute ago, tps3443 said:

 

 

I woke up late at 9:14AM lol. Best Buy inventory was already gone, Newegg was loaded up, and I took forever deciding which one. Then they started dropping like flies after trying to check out with some of them.

 

So I got a MSI 4080 Super Expert, it’s like a FE model. I just feel bad I got scalped. 

 

BB has been restocking, and will continue to do so throughout the day. I would get the FE.  It's in stock now. 

 

Edit: You can cancel the NE order by chatting with them. I've done it many times as long as it hasn't "shipped" yet. 

[tps3443]

Just now, Talon said:

 

BB has been restocking, and will continue to do so throughout the day. I would get the FE. 

Dang. I already bought the Expert though. It’ll be here tomorrow. It looks kinda nice man.