*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[Rage Set]

23 minutes ago, cylix said:

HAHAHA

 

Gamers Nexus one sentence review: 1 to 3% better. Thank everyone for watching.

 

Nvidia learned from Intel 14th launch 🤣

 

 

 

I am disappointed in all GPUs from Nvidia and AMD this generation. Each keep piling on the mediocre and expect things to change. This is coming from a guy that purchases nothing but the high end. Call me jaded after the 3090/TI/6900XT/6950XT foolishness. Perhaps I am, but I am happy I stayed on the sidelines this generation - even if a 4090 would solve some of my current video editing woes. 

[Talon]

8 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

Dang. I already bought the Expert though. It’ll be here tomorrow. It looks kinda nice man. 

 

Awesome! It does look like a slick card. Same PCB design as FE, similar cooling with vapor chamber, etc. Same lack of dual BIOS lol, but meh. Honestly it was the only card I was considering outside of the FE. Good luck in the VRAM silicon lottery! Let's hope we can punch it! Pretty awesome they used 24gbps vram but only running them 23. I was more worried it was a simple factory OC. 

[tps3443]

16 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Awesome! It does look like a slick card. Same PCB design as FE, similar cooling with vapor chamber, etc. Same lack of dual BIOS lol, but meh. Honestly it was the only card I was considering outside of the FE. Good luck in the VRAM silicon lottery! Let's hope we can punch it! Pretty awesome they used 24gbps vram but only running them 23. I was more worried it was a simple factory OC. 

I assume the FE waterblocks will fit this one.  

[saturnotaku]

25 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

Yeah, that’s what I suspected. They gimped this to avoid cannibalising the profitable sales of AI scraps. Guess NVidia would like people to think that $1k for a 16GB gaming card is money spent Super-Well. There is still hope though? 4080 Ti Super-Duper anyone lol

 

The ongoing running joke aside, little doubt the business model is: put most fab capacity on AD102 and H100, sell AD102 leftovers as expensively as possible via 4090/D. I’m actually surprised they cut the prices of those Super offerings, must be caused by some annoying inventory buildup.

 

 

 

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Grabbed a 4080 Super FE for $999 and free overnight shipment from Best Buy. The price cut has made the card a good offering. 

 

Looks like 4080 Super is actually using 24gbps spec vram even though they're shipping with 23gbps speed. All cards seem to be using this when looking at the chips on the teardowns at tech power up. 

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-super-founders-edition/43.html

 

4080 FE Super gained 8% with overclock. Pretty nice.

 

The duality of man.

[ryan]

crossing fingers you run some game benchmarks, sad that I get excited when people buy new stuff and run tests...lol just sad

[Talon]

Just now, saturnotaku said:

 

 

The duality of man.

 

It's simple. 

 

4090 $1599 More money more faster. 

 

4080 $999 Less money less faster. 

[saturnotaku]

8 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

It's simple. 

 

4090 $1599 More money more faster. 

 

4080 $999 Less money less faster. 

 

 

Less money, less faster, still crappy value.

[Mr. Fox]

I know some people like the FE models but that would be my last choice unless or until they start making them with dual vBIOS.

 

Personally, I would go with the AIRO Extreme or Suprim. AIRO is the only one left in stock at NewEgg right now that I would go for. Nothing left at the local Best Buy. Glad I am not shopping for one. If I were, then the AIRO would be the only good choice for me.

https://www.newegg.com/zotac-geforce-rtx-4080-super-zt-d40820b-10p/p/N82E16814500579
https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-4080-super-16g-suprim-x/p/N82E16814137853

 

Or, a TUF would be OK But, they're all gone as well. https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-4080-super-tuf-rtx4080s-o16g-gaming/p/N82E16814126693

 

Hilarious to see ASUS still scamming their ROG fanboys with the ugly-looking, oversized, overpriced and underperforming Strix abortion GPU. The one thing that would make me lean toward steering clear of any and all ASUS GPUs is the upside-down 12VHPWR connector that makes them a morphodite freak. Proprietary oddities like that are not something that makes good sense. You can't even use the cable provided with an ATX 5.0 PSU if you lack the judgment of avoiding an ASUS GPU.

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I know some people like the FE models but that would be my last choice unless or until they start making them with dual vBIOS.

 

Personally, I would go with the AIRO Extreme or Suprim. AIRO is the only one left in stock at NewEgg right now that I would go for. Nothing left at the local Best Buy. Glad I am not shopping for one. If I were, then the AIRO would be the only good choice for me.

https://www.newegg.com/zotac-geforce-rtx-4080-super-zt-d40820b-10p/p/N82E16814500579
https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-4080-super-16g-suprim-x/p/N82E16814137853

 

Or, a TUF would be OK But, they're all gone as well. https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-4080-super-tuf-rtx4080s-o16g-gaming/p/N82E16814126693

 

Hilarious to see ASUS still scamming their ROG fanboys with the ugly-looking, oversized, overpriced and underperforming Strix abortion GPU. The one thing that would make me lean toward steering clear of any and all ASUS GPUs is the upside-down 12VHPWR connector that makes them a morphodite freak. Proprietary oddities like that are not something that makes good sense. You can't even use the cable provided with an ATX 5.0 PSU if you lack the judgment of avoiding an ASUS GPU.

I tried to buy an FE they were all sold out. 

I really wanted the Suprim X 4080 Super next though, 😭. It showed in-stock, I went to check out and then said sold out. 😞 I tried to get it though but no go. I was thinking for too long on deciding. I was bouncing all over the place.
 

So, then I tried the Tuff OC, thinking there’s plenty of blocks for those laying around 😁 and it said sold out too. Then I settled for MSI 4080 Super Expert over a few reasons. I can trust the build quality being an MSI so that’s good, it uses much higher quality thermal pads throughout the GPU VS. the 4080 Super FE models with their cheaper white thermal pads. It looks basic and nothing fancy or anything and is pretty much the MSI version of a FE. And it supports FE waterblocks too which will be readily available everywhere. I was afraid of the Zotac because it’s not standard PCB, so waterblock availability left me wondering 🤔 . And I felt super rushed to grab any Super at all honestly. 
 

[Talon]

34 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

I tried to buy an FE they were all sold out. 

I really wanted the Suprim X 4080 Super next though, 😭. It showed in-stock, I went to check out and then said sold out. 😞 I tried to get it though but no go. I was thinking for too long on deciding. I was bouncing all over the place.
 

So, then I tried the Tuff OC, thinking there’s plenty of blocks for those laying around 😁 and it said sold out too. Then I settled for MSI 4080 Super Expert over a few reasons. I can trust the build quality being an MSI so that’s good, it uses much higher quality thermal pads throughout the GPU VS. the 4080 Super FE models with their cheaper white thermal pads. It looks basic and nothing fancy or anything and is pretty much the MSI version of a FE. And it supports FE waterblocks too which will be readily available everywhere. I was afraid of the Zotac because it’s not standard PCB, so waterblock availability left me wondering 🤔 . And I felt super rushed to grab any Super at all honestly. 
 

 

They're all going to perform nearly identical which is why I said get the cheapest. Should be able to X-Flash any higher power limit without issue to all cards with NvflashK. Those thermal pads on the FE are by design, they are soft/compressible pads for a reason. Nvidia thermal engineer actually did an amazing tear down with GN on this cooler when the 40 series came out. Dude was super into his job and thermal performance. And you can see just how well the FE card does compared to even the might Strix in this chart that compares all 4080 Super cards reviewed. The FE does a phenomenal job. 

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4080-super-strix/39.html

 

 

Best Buy sold out of all cards, Newegg has 1 remaining card (SOLD OUT) and my local MC seems to be moving stock at a high click. I'd say this is one of Nvidia's best launches. That 20% price reduction seems to have swayed quite a few would be upgraders. 

 

I'll use TechPowerUp FE review conclusion here. 

 

Pricing & Alternatives
NVIDIA has set an MSRP of $1000 for the RTX 4080 Super and that's the real innovation here. Compared to the current $1200 for the RTX 4080 non-Super, this introduces a significant 20% discount. I have to applaud NVIDIA for that, especially, considering that there's not much competition in this segment. AMD is happy with their $970 price point for the 7900 XTX, but that changes today. RTX 4080 Super at $1000 means that RX 7900 XTX becomes unsellable unless its price is lowered considerably. The RTX 4080 Super offers superior RT performance, similar raster perf and support for DLSS—exactly what people in the premium segment are looking for. Even at $900 I'm not sure if I'd prefer 7900 XTX over a $1000 4080 Super, it's just a 10% delta. Still, $1000 is definitely not a steal for the RTX 4080 Super and what it offers—the 2024 GPU market is still expensive. If you want to save a bit of money, probably the most interesting alternative is RX 7900 XT, which currently sells for $710, but is considerably slower, which means lower detail settings or upscaling, but there's no DLSS on the card to help with that. NVIDIA has confirmed that the RTX 4080 non-Super is now end-of-life. You could potentially get a card at a good price; anything $950 and below is what I'd call "interesting." If it's higher, go for the Super model, also for its better resale value. If you really must have the best, then the RTX 4090 is what you want—that hasn't changed with the release of the RTX 4080 Super, but be prepared to pay for it: +80% for an almost 30% increase in performance is tough. At the end of the day, RTX 4080 Super is disappointing in terms of the changes it brings, but it redeems itself thanks to its greatly improved pricing. While I'm sure there will be a lot of drama about the minimal gains, what the GPU market really needs is lower prices, not marginally better performance for the same price. In this regard, the RTX 4080 Super can be considered a success.

[tps3443]

38 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

They're all going to perform nearly identical which is why I said get the cheapest. Should be able to X-Flash any higher power limit without issue to all cards with NvflashK. Those thermal pads on the FE are by design, they are soft/compressible pads for a reason. Nvidia thermal engineer actually did an amazing tear down with GN on this cooler when the 40 series came out. Dude was super into his job and thermal performance. And you can see just how well the FE card does compared to even the might Strix in this chart that compares all 4080 Super cards reviewed. The FE does a phenomenal job. 

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4080-super-strix/39.html

 

 

Best Buy sold out of all cards, Newegg has 1 remaining card (SOLD OUT) and my local MC seems to be moving stock at a high click. I'd say this is one of Nvidia's best launches. That 20% price reduction seems to have swayed quite a few would be upgraders. 

 

I'll use TechPowerUp FE review conclusion here. 

 

Pricing & Alternatives
NVIDIA has set an MSRP of $1000 for the RTX 4080 Super and that's the real innovation here. Compared to the current $1200 for the RTX 4080 non-Super, this introduces a significant 20% discount. I have to applaud NVIDIA for that, especially, considering that there's not much competition in this segment. AMD is happy with their $970 price point for the 7900 XTX, but that changes today. RTX 4080 Super at $1000 means that RX 7900 XTX becomes unsellable unless its price is lowered considerably. The RTX 4080 Super offers superior RT performance, similar raster perf and support for DLSS—exactly what people in the premium segment are looking for. Even at $900 I'm not sure if I'd prefer 7900 XTX over a $1000 4080 Super, it's just a 10% delta. Still, $1000 is definitely not a steal for the RTX 4080 Super and what it offers—the 2024 GPU market is still expensive. If you want to save a bit of money, probably the most interesting alternative is RX 7900 XT, which currently sells for $710, but is considerably slower, which means lower detail settings or upscaling, but there's no DLSS on the card to help with that. NVIDIA has confirmed that the RTX 4080 non-Super is now end-of-life. You could potentially get a card at a good price; anything $950 and below is what I'd call "interesting." If it's higher, go for the Super model, also for its better resale value. If you really must have the best, then the RTX 4090 is what you want—that hasn't changed with the release of the RTX 4080 Super, but be prepared to pay for it: +80% for an almost 30% increase in performance is tough. At the end of the day, RTX 4080 Super is disappointing in terms of the changes it brings, but it redeems itself thanks to its greatly improved pricing. While I'm sure there will be a lot of drama about the minimal gains, what the GPU market really needs is lower prices, not marginally better performance for the same price. In this regard, the RTX 4080 Super can be considered a success.

 

I had no idea Nvidia improved thermal pads on RTX4000 series. That is fantastic and it needed to be done. Honestly, I feel really lucky and blessed to have gotten one, they were selling out pretty dang fast, right after I ordered mine they were gone 🤷‍♂️ so you are really left with hardly any time to order or even decide at all. But, It’ll be delivered tomorrow 😁. I’m curious how it will compare to a real FE lol. I guess it’s a copy cat FE? So I’m really wondering how out of box thermals will be. 
 

 

[electrosoft]

12 hours ago, Papusan said:

And for the pict lover bro Electro. The madam wanted some more lights in the livingroom. I could mount it if I picked the lamp color.... I put up the spot rail and of course the lamps colors was in All black. Even the dreaded darkness here up in the cold and stormy North matching all black, HaHa 

 

Love those aesthetics and definitely not RGB! 🙂

 

 

10 hours ago, jaybee83 said:

 

the only good thing i get out of these charts is the massive perf. jump going from "everything else" to the 4090 😄 

 

 

 

welp, its kinda our own fault...we jumped onto the ridonkulous prices during the pandemic when everyone and their dog bought a new system, so that let Nvidia and the others know: ooooh, well would u look at that. youre willing to pay THAT much?! ok then, here u go, never going back down again! MWAHAHA

 

 

good point, while inflation is currently being touted as the perfect excuse for pretty much everything greed-related, it DOES actually have an impact over longer time periods.

 

Yeah, looking at most charts all you see is bunched results and then usually the 4090 with the "long bar"

 

Pricing is definitely our fault no question but I also believe in different strokes for different folks and everyone has their own price points and right to do what they want with their money. What one person considers a rip off or price gouging another considers a deal or more than fair. Neither is right or wrong. It is perspective and usually a bit of bias thrown in.

 

And inflation is definitely an economical factor to be considered along with other costs and of course a need to make a profit and as much of it as can be sustained for corporations.

 

7 hours ago, Etern4l said:

 

You can't look at general US inflation to explain GPU pricing, it's a factor probably, but a minor one, but it's also circular - consumer good prices are an input to that (super coarse one, I would be surprised if they look at GPU pricing specifically there).

 

 

Setting the expectations low to avoid disappointment? That's fair lol

 

That said, techpowerup have 4090 at 17% faster than 4080S on average:

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4080-super.c4182

 

I think that's estimated at this point, so fingers crossed for you there.

 

 

Exactly, so they attempted to exploit the crypto-pandemics, failing that prices returned to the set-point.

 

 

I think we just established that the excessive launch pricing of the 3090Ti "halo product" was based on the attempt to exploit crypto. Nothing more.

 

Now, I hate to break it to you, but all the rumours about 4090 Titan, Ti, Super etc have failed to materialise. I doubt we will see any of those cards anytime soon. NVidia is too busy selling full fat AD102 chips at 6k+ a pop, and any inferior silicon is pushed to gamers as 4090 or to "restricted markets" as 4090D. Yep, sorry but 4090 is just a way to recycle scraps from the big and small AI boys' table. Now, if not for the AI-pandemic, 4090 would have already been reduced to the sensible $1200 range and NVidia would have already attempted to push the  full fat chip to gamers/enthusiast market via a Titan or Ti product. While 4090 prices could come down a little due to market burnout and 4080S, fat chance of the latter happening (which is good news for those who paid up for 4090 at launch or AI-pandemic prices).

 

I guess my point is that that the reasonable, set point, price of those halo products is around $1200, and there is market pricing evidence for that - anything above is due to abnormal demand from crypto and AI. Now, obviously the AI people are not stupid (and even if they were - chat bots to the rescue lol), and they are hating the NVidia situation too, so efforts are ongoing left and right to get alternative solutions via AMD/Intel and custom silicon. If I were in a market for a new rig today, I would strongly consider AMD given the improvements on the software side. So, if this is the time for NVidia to scr3w their customers as hard as possible (as they should, you say, but I wonder if that won't hurt them long term via reduced consumer sentiment), but this jolly time will likely pass as the situation is unsustainable.

 

Edit: remember that all this is happening against the backdrop of collapsing PC sales (which surely must have something to do with those crazy GPU prices). Intel is hanging in there by a thread. We are collectively on our knees, with NVidia's dagger in our backs which they refuse to pull out, just a little twist here and there via "Super" offerings. Doesn't really matter if the PC market dies or not, all Mad Jensen cares about is AI.

 

 

Inflation will always be a factor here and everywhere when determining real time costs versus previous costs along with several other factors.

 

As I told @tps3443 using the best is a recipe for experiencing diminishing returns rather quickly.

 

We didn't establish anything with the 3090ti. That is incorrect. What we did establish was the 3090 launched at $1500 and the 3090ti launched at $2000. I don't think we're going to get a 4090ti/Super either but if we do, I can guarantee you it will launch for $2000 or close to it just like the 3090ti launched for $2000 over the $1500 3090.

 

4090 prices won't come down anytime soon. They've actually gone up on average vs launch MSRP even after they "came back down" after the gouging the last few months when stock was dry due to 4090D fabbing. AD102 dies are wanted and needed everywhere atm. I'm so glad I grabbed my 4090 over a year ago as it has provided me with top tier gaming and video editing for my daughter when she can't take the slowness of her laptop or 3070 equipped desktop and wants it "done fast." 🙂

 

Reasonable is subjective but I'm glad that is what you think they should be priced. Of course the final indicator is how much Nvidia sells and what the market can bear at their price points. While we see 4090's overall trend up from launch MSRP, we see the ultimate joke in the 4000 line get its comeuppance and had to adjust down by $200 with a minor performance boost on top. We also saw the 4070ti Super get a memory bump and the 4070 Super get a pretty substantial core boost and they all stayed the same with their original launch MSRP. That tells us Nvidia felt the backlash from consumers and had to save face as best as possible and adjust pricing either directly (actually lower it) or indirectly (add more value at the same price). This is the market working as intended.

 

I want to consider AMD and as you have seen I've tried them three times now (Merc 7900XTX, Powercolor 6700XT, MSI Gaming 7900XTX) and they just can't get it right for my needs unfortunately. If the Asrock dips to 899 I'll probably give it another try.......that's how much I want AMD and Intel to check Nvidia but in the end the superior product stack wins for me.

 

5 hours ago, Talon said:

https://www.techradar.com/computing/gpu/nvidia-rtx-4090-super-and-rtx-titan-could-be-back-on-the-menu-because-rtx-5000-gpus-might-slide-to-2025

 

If they drop an RTX Titan, dang. 48gb and full core with huge cache. That would be a monster gaming GPU. Probably monster price at $2500 easily. 

 

Intel LGA 1700 not dead yet? New refresh inbound later this year along side Arrow Lake? 

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/budget-focused-bartlett-lake-s-reportedly-intels-fourth-desktop-lga-1700-cpu-series

 

With the demise of AMD's next gen offerings in the rumor mill and everybody gobbling up AD102 like crack, what incentive does Nvidia have to rush Blackwell to market this fall? None. I wouldn't be surprised if they extended Ada into 2025. They have no competition right now and the GPU market overall is soft for consumers.

 

I could see a Titan if AI slows down. I could see a 4090Super/TI if AI suddenly really slows down but unlike Crypto, there's a long term end game to ML and hardware will be in demand for quite some time.

 

3 hours ago, tps3443 said:

 

 

I woke up late at 9:14AM lol. Best Buy inventory was already gone, Newegg was loaded up, and I took forever deciding which one. Then they started dropping like flies after trying to check out with some of them.

 

So I got a MSI 4080 Super Expert, it’s like a FE model. I just feel bad I got scalped for an extra $149.99 by MSI/Newegg.

 

 

No way I would pay an extra $150 just to have it NOW. You just paid an extra 15% for no reason at all. Return it/cancel it and just wait. Why rush?

 

19 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4080-super-strix/39.html

Best Buy sold out of all cards, Newegg has 1 remaining card (SOLD OUT) and my local MC seems to be moving stock at a high click. I'd say this is one of Nvidia's best launches. That 20% price reduction seems to have swayed quite a few would be upgraders. 

 

I'll use TechPowerUp FE review conclusion here. 

 

Pricing & Alternatives
NVIDIA has set an MSRP of $1000 for the RTX 4080 Super and that's the real innovation here. Compared to the current $1200 for the RTX 4080 non-Super, this introduces a significant 20% discount. I have to applaud NVIDIA for that, especially, considering that there's not much competition in this segment. AMD is happy with their $970 price point for the 7900 XTX, but that changes today. RTX 4080 Super at $1000 means that RX 7900 XTX becomes unsellable unless its price is lowered considerably. The RTX 4080 Super offers superior RT performance, similar raster perf and support for DLSS—exactly what people in the premium segment are looking for. Even at $900 I'm not sure if I'd prefer 7900 XTX over a $1000 4080 Super, it's just a 10% delta. Still, $1000 is definitely not a steal for the RTX 4080 Super and what it offers—the 2024 GPU market is still expensive. If you want to save a bit of money, probably the most interesting alternative is RX 7900 XT, which currently sells for $710, but is considerably slower, which means lower detail settings or upscaling, but there's no DLSS on the card to help with that. NVIDIA has confirmed that the RTX 4080 non-Super is now end-of-life. You could potentially get a card at a good price; anything $950 and below is what I'd call "interesting." If it's higher, go for the Super model, also for its better resale value. If you really must have the best, then the RTX 4090 is what you want—that hasn't changed with the release of the RTX 4080 Super, but be prepared to pay for it: +80% for an almost 30% increase in performance is tough. At the end of the day, RTX 4080 Super is disappointing in terms of the changes it brings, but it redeems itself thanks to its greatly improved pricing. While I'm sure there will be a lot of drama about the minimal gains, what the GPU market really needs is lower prices, not marginally better performance for the same price. In this regard, the RTX 4080 Super can be considered a success.

 

I agree with this conclusion 100% and AMD is going to have to price down the 7900XTX sooner than later. Unless you need 24GB at the $1000 price point for some reason, there is ZERO reason to get a 7900XTX at $1000 and I agree even $900 for a 7900XTX is a hard sell for some unless you want to go AMD just to be team RED (which I completely understand).

 

Problem with AMD is they have had several opportunities to compete with pricing but they opted to also maximize profits and play the Nvidia way with their products and pricing just not as egregious in nature.They keep shooting themselves in the foot.

 

Then again, for those who think AMD is the "underdog" we saw exactly what they're capable of when put into the drivers seat with AM4 and sky high pricing on their CPU line up (I'm looking at you 5950X and 7950X).

 

When all was said and done, I picked up my 7950X3D for ~$476.

 

 

 

 

[Etern4l]

2 hours ago, saturnotaku said:

 

 

Less money, less faster, still crappy value.

The commentators over at Artechnica would seem to broadly agree. Warning! NVidia fans could find the following material distressing:

 

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/01/nvidia-rtx-4080-super-review-all-you-need-to-know-is-that-its-cheaper-than-a-4080/?comments=1&comments-page=1

A home run right off the bat (hope I got that reference right lol):

 

Still stupid pricing. The AI company doesn’t need me and I don’t need them.

 

 

 

[Talon]

37 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

 

I had no idea Nvidia improved thermal pads on RTX4000 series. That is fantastic and it needed to be done. Honestly, I feel really lucky and blessed to have gotten one, they were selling out pretty dang fast, right after I ordered mine they were gone 🤷‍♂️ so you are really left with hardly any time to order or even decide at all. But, It’ll be delivered tomorrow 😁. I’m curious how it will compare to a real FE lol. I guess it’s a copy cat FE? So I’m really wondering how out of box thermals will be. 
 

 

 

You plan to go water, air cooler doesn't matter at all. 

[electrosoft]

Good overall comparison and same conclusion.

 

AMD is going to need to cut prices on the 7900XTX stat as there really is no compelling reason to pick it over the 4080S especially as RT is viable and meaningful at this performance point and like in Avatar it seems to always be on with no option for non RT.

 

Considering the last year there has been basically a ~$200 gap between the 7900XTX and 4080, it would be nice to see a $850 7900XTX price point come into play or even $800 to compete. Push the 7900XT down to $700 or even $650 to really compete.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

I want to consider AMD and as you have seen I've tried them three times now (Merc 7900XTX, Powercolor 6700XT, MSI Gaming 7900XTX) and they just can't get it right for my needs unfortunately. If the Asrock dips to 899 I'll probably give it another try.......that's how much I want AMD and Intel to check Nvidia but in the end the superior product stack wins for me.

Same. Superior is superior.

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

With the demise of AMD's next gen offerings in the rumor mill and everybody gobbling up AD102 like crack, what incentive does Nvidia have to rush Blackwell to market this fall? None. I wouldn't be surprised if they extended Ada into 2025. They have no competition right now and the GPU market overall is soft for consumers.

 

I would actually love to see that happen. If a person is going to spend $1,000+ on a part, having it take 2-3 years to become obselete and replaced by something better is a win at the consumer level. Not going to make highly paid execs and shareholders happy, but nothing will please them other than more money so their happiness doesn't need to matter to me/us.

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Problem with AMD is they have had several opportunities to compete with pricing but they opted to also maximize profits and play the Nvidia way with their products and pricing just not as egregious in nature.They keep shooting themselves in the foot.

 

Then again, for those who think AMD is the "underdog" we saw exactly what they're capable of when put into the drivers seat with AM4 and sky high pricing on their CPU line up (I'm looking at you 5950X and 7950X).

They can't compete at the high end on performance or features, so the only area left for them to try to compete is price. Because their performance and features are second fiddle they really do need to compete on price. Otherwise, it is only the fanboys and underdog-cheering group that find them compelling. Finding them compelling for no reason other than because they are "not NVIDIA" and "not Intel" is irrational and has no merit and it's hard to respect. Finding them compelling because they are the cheapest option is a totally legitimate reason if that is the buyer's prime objective and it is easy to respect that rationale.

[tps3443]

41 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

You plan to go water, air cooler doesn't matter at all. 

Yes but unfortunately this thing has a unique looking PCB, maybe it’s the same holes as an FE? But I do not think there is even a waterblock anywhere to use with it that would fit. 
 

I’ll have to return it. 

[Etern4l]

13 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

AMD is going to need to cut prices on the 7900XTX stat as there really is no compelling reason to pick it over the 4080S especially as RT is viable and meaningful at this performance point and like in Avatar

I’m not going to opine on specific points around this or that game, however 7900XTX is the clearly superior card in terms of VRAM, raw rasterisation and floating performance specs (the latter is not even close):

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4080-super.c4182

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7900-xtx.c3941

 

Which card is superior depends on the use cases.

[Mr. Fox]

13 minutes ago, Etern4l said:

I’m not going to opine on specific points around this or that game, however 7900XTX is the clearly superior card in terms of VRAM, raw rasterisation and floating performance specs (the latter is not even close):

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-4080-super.c4182

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7900-xtx.c3941

 

 

There will be some business case scenarios where that matters most, but those are generally not selling points for anyone buying a GPU for gaming. Poor ray tracing performance is a real problem even though the underdog fanboys dismiss it. It wasn't very important back in the Turing days but, like it or not, that is important now. And, I am sold on how much better the image quality is with ray tracing and path tracing. For content creator purposes Red Team doesn't bring much to the table, while CUDA gives an edge to the Green Goblin and GDDR6X is faster. So, it depends on what you are comparing it to. Having more VRAM is important when you don't have enough. When you do have enough (or things are equal) then the faster memory is superior and becomes a no-brainer on face value.

 

If you look hard enough you can find at least one area where one brand is better than the other, but you shouldn't have to look hard to identify why or under what circumstances it matters.

[Papusan]

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I know some people like the FE models but that would be my last choice unless or until they start making them with dual vBIOS.

 

Personally, I would go with the AIRO Extreme or Suprim. AIRO is the only one left in stock at NewEgg right now that I would go for. Nothing left at the local Best Buy. Glad I am not shopping for one. If I were, then the AIRO would be the only good choice for me.

https://www.newegg.com/zotac-geforce-rtx-4080-super-zt-d40820b-10p/p/N82E16814500579
https://www.newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-4080-super-16g-suprim-x/p/N82E16814137853

 

Or, a TUF would be OK But, they're all gone as well. https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-4080-super-tuf-rtx4080s-o16g-gaming/p/N82E16814126693

 

Hilarious to see ASUS still scamming their ROG fanboys with the ugly-looking, oversized, overpriced and underperforming Strix abortion GPU. The one thing that would make me lean toward steering clear of any and all ASUS GPUs is the upside-down 12VHPWR connector that makes them a morphodite freak. Proprietary oddities like that are not something that makes good sense. You can't even use the cable provided with an ATX 5.0 PSU if you lack the judgment of avoiding an ASUS GPU.

 

No in hell I would pay $1100 and upwards for the custom 4080 Super cards. The $899 $999 MSRP for the vanilla cards is already bad value. Same was it for the custom EOL 4080's (even the lower end 4080s at MSRP). Add a custom block on top and the price for the custom 4080 Super cards will be even more disgusting. Just buy a vanilla card and flash to an better bios. And just run as is with the air cooler. 

 

Edit..... I still can't stop feeling pitty for those that jumped on the 4080 MSRP cards at $1200 USD. Those that jumped on custom 4080's from $1200 and upwards ($1450 for 4080 Strix OC) has to blame themself.

 

7 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Hilarious SAD to see ASUS still scamming their ROG fanboys with the ugly-looking, oversized, overpriced and underperforming Strix abortion GPU. The one thing that would make me lean toward steering clear of any and all ASUS GPUs is the upside-down 12VHPWR connector that makes them a morphodite freak. Proprietary oddities like that are not something that makes good sense. You can't even use the cable provided with an ATX 5.0 PSU if you lack the judgment of avoiding an ASUS GPU.

 

Also this time you  can see Asus fail deliver with their best binned flagship custom Strix OC cards. Can't even beat their cheaper cards (see the TUF OC Joke offer higher boost clock than the flagship). Yup, pay more... Get less. The modern tech trend continue.

 

ASUS GeForce RTX 4080 Super STRIX OC Review

 

 

4 hours ago, electrosoft said:

No way I would pay an extra $150 just to have it NOW. You just paid an extra 15% for no reason at all. Return it/cancel it and just wait. Why rush?

 

And how can MSI be able to make a worse cooler/heatsink for their $1150 custom cards than Nvidia's 4080 Super FE model at $999 ? How much did MSI save on this?

MSI GeForce RTX 4080 Super Expert Review

 

Btw.

The modest 1 to 3 percent performance increase with the higher boost clocks, more cores and speedier vram just show that the performance gains don't go proporsional upwards with the higher end of the SKUs. Maybe this works out better with the lower end SKUs. Pay more get less, HaHa

 

Performance
Averaged over the 25 games in our test suite, at 4K, we find the card only 1.5% faster than 4080 non-Super Founders Edition, which is MUCH less than expected. While NVIDIA never said "+5%," I definitely expected more. It's not a power limit issue, running at max power yields another +1% only. These numbers are pretty constant across resolutions, and even with RT enabled, too. 

 

There is definitely some variations in GPU chip silicon quality, which affects performance due to the way NVIDIA's Boost algorithm works, but with my sample size of 9 cards tested, I think that I can confidently say that there's no way you're getting +5% out of the 4080 Super, unless you manually overclock it. Other reviewers have similar numbers, so it's not just me. Surprisingly, the RTX 4070 Super, initially considered the least exciting among the new releases on forums, showed the highest performance increase (+15%). In contrast, the RTX 4070 Ti Super, despite receiving a GPU upgrade and a 33% memory bandwidth increase, only saw a modest +5% in extra performance. Today's release could almost be labeled a "rebrand," but the improved pricing certainly adds to its appeal.

 

 

[Etern4l]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

There will be some business case scenarios where that matters most, but those are generally not selling points for anyone buying a GPU for gaming. Poor ray tracing performance is a real problem even though the underdog fanboys dismiss it. It wasn't very important back in the Turing days but, like it or not, that is important now. And, I am sold on how much better the image quality is with ray tracing and path tracing. For content creator purposes Red Team doesn't bring much to the table, while CUDA gives an edge to the Green Goblin and GDDR6X is faster. So, it depends on what you are comparing it to. Having more VRAM is important when you don't have enough. When you do have enough (or things are equal) then the faster memory is superior and becomes a no-brainer on face value.

 

If you look hard enough you can find at least one area where one brand is better than the other, but you shouldn't have to look hard to identify why or under what circumstances it matters.

 

I don't want to reciprocate by invoking NVidia fanboyism in this situation, as that kind of language does not generally lead to great outcomes, although you do seem to have missed the fact that 4080S has a significantly slower gimped VRAM, with a 256 bit bus, although it is GDDR6X (the result being: probably better OC if we are being charitable to NVidia, which might help offset the 30% smaller bus). 

 

For a more balanced point of view:

 

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/01/nvidia-rtx-4080-super-review-all-you-need-to-know-is-that-its-cheaper-than-a-4080/

or

https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-rtx-4080-super-review-performance-benchmarks/

 

I only see a huge difference in RT performance in CP2077, a piece of software particularly famous for its technical qualities.

 

It's true that VRAM > 16GB will rarely come into play for a gamer, but many of them will just look at this dire PC market and shrug to begin with, and NVidia is largely to blame for this by inflating GPU prices. This doesn't help the PC industry.

 

As for content creation, it looks like the 7900 XTX is a viable contender in some categories (to the point of beating the 4090), while falling flat in some other - hence the use-case dependence:

 

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-24gb-content-creation-review/

 

BTW There is no such thing as too much VRAM in many professional applications, and the 7900 XTX at < $1k will be an increasingly very tempting offering, if the software side of things can be worked out, e.g.  as per an example here:

 

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-7900-xtx-offers-higher-generative-ai-performance-per-dollar-than-nvidia-rtx-4080-after-990-speedup/

 

That is good, right? We are our own fanboys here, and we rock when we can buy great GPUs at reasonable prices, otherwise we kind of suck lol

In keeping with that theme, I would agree with some of the reviews that AMD should now drop the 7900 XTX price a little to keep Huang in check where they can.

 

 

[tps3443]

1 hour ago, Papusan said:

 

No in hell I would pay $1100 and upwards for the custom 4080 Super cards.

 

Unfortunately this is the market we are in. RTX4090’s are $1,800 USD for pretty much any model I think. So if you are spending $1,000 or $1,100. That’s all we have available to purchase. 
 

Even if you increased the $1,000 budget by 50% and saved a little more you still couldn’t afford a 4090 with $1,500.
 

So the big fancy $1,200 dollar RTX4080 Super with a cruise ship sized air cooler looks appealing because it’s literally the only option for most. 

[Papusan]

8 minutes ago, tps3443 said:

 

Unfortunately this is the market we are in. RTX4090’s are $1,800 USD for pretty much any model I think. So if you are spending $1,000 or $1,100. That’s all we have available to purchase. 
 

Even if you increased the $1,000 budget by 50% and saved a little more you still couldn’t afford a 4090 with $1,500.
 

So the big fancy $1,200 dollar RTX4080 Super with a cruise ship sized air cooler looks appealing because it’s literally the only option for most. 

 

I would wait to see if I could grab a 4080 Super FE if I jumped on 4080 train. And there is still a chance you can get some cheaper vanilla 4080 cards coming below the Super MSRP. But if people are in need for new card... I can see where you go🙂

[tps3443]

8 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

I would wait to see if I could grab a 4080 Super FE if I jumped on 4080 train. And there is still a chance you can get some cheaper vanilla 4080 cards coming below the Super MSRP. But if people are in need for new card... I can see where you go🙂

There were several AIB cards for $999 and $1,029 and $1,049 on Newegg when I got mine. 

[Etern4l]

48 minutes ago, Papusan said:

 

I would wait to see if I could grab a 4080 Super FE if I jumped on 4080 train. And there is still a chance you can get some cheaper vanilla 4080 cards coming below the Super MSRP. But if people are in need for new card... I can see where you go🙂

 

Impulse-buying at launch tends to be dire timing: least choice, worst prices, not to mention the possibility of running into some unwelcome first adopter issues.

That is, unless some shortages are expected (and in this case almost surely no shortage of those lower grade chips is on the horizon, hence the price cut), or there is some indication that prices might rise post launch for another reason - again no grounds for that, not least because NVidia is thankfully not alone in the segment.