*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[johnksss]

2 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Sadly, that seems to be a universal truth for PC tech in the 21st century. All of the OEMs/ODMs suck now. Lack of regard for customer experience, an absence of pride in the products they sell, lackluster QC and technical incompetence seem to be status quo now. The goal is to get our money and getting what we pay for isn't high on their list of priorities. Their lists seem to be limited to:

• Charge as much as people are stupid enough to pay
• Get the money, and say what you need to accomplish that
• Lie to whatever extent it is necessary to keep the money
• Deny any and all liability for mistakes, errors and omissions
• Make excuses to the extent necessary to shirk responsibility
• Make warranty fulfillment as slow, difficult and painful as possible

After calling them back they and said the board wasn't fixed, they issued a second rma and paid for return shipping. they are issuing me a "new board to me". Not sure how long that is going to take though. The 1600W Super Nova rma was issued on a Wednesday night. Shipped out Thursday morning, they received it Friday morning and shipped new psu Friday morning and I got that on Saturday. Talk about fast return! The Kingpin was the same way, but took 1 day longer in the process.

[Mr. Fox]

4 hours ago, johnksss said:

After calling them back they and said the board wasn't fixed, they issued a second rma and paid for return shipping. they are issuing me a "new board to me". Not sure how long that is going to take though. The 1600W Super Nova rma was issued on a Wednesday night. Shipped out Thursday morning, they received it Friday morning and shipped new psu Friday morning and I got that on Saturday. Talk about fast return! The Kingpin was the same way, but took 1 day longer in the process.

Nobody seems to hold a candle to EVGA on warranty service. They are really good. I am very happy to hear that MSI is owning their mistake and trying to make up for the demonstration of incompetence. It takes a while to win back confidence after something like that happens. If it happens more than once, chances are good that there won't be any second second-chances. 

[johnksss]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nobody seems to hold a candle to EVGA on warranty service. They are really good. I am very happy to hear that MSI is owning their mistake and trying to make up for the demonstration of incompetence. It takes a while to win back confidence after something like that happens. If it happens more than once, chances are good that there won't be any second second-chances. 

That does seem to hold pretty true.

 

So am I as. I did not power that board on either. (I did not want to take any chances with my new parts.)

 

I would have been far more upset if they tried to decline the return, but it was pretty painless. Still a serious inconvenience though,  as they do not have cross shipping nor advanced RMA.

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

Nobody seems to hold a candle to EVGA on warranty service. They are really good. I am very happy to hear that MSI is owning their mistake and trying to make up for the demonstration of incompetence. It takes a while to win back confidence after something like that happens. If it happens more than once, chances are good that there won't be any second second-chances. 

 

1 hour ago, johnksss said:

That does seem to hold pretty true.

 

So am I as. I did not power that board on either. (I did not want to take any chances with my new parts.)

 

I would have been far more upset if they tried to decline the return, but it was pretty painless. Still a serious inconvenience though,  as they do not have cross shipping nor advanced RMA.

 

 

The way EVGA handled my GTX 280 RMA process way back in the day is what pushed me over as being my first choice with all things being equal. The way they handled my Z390 FTW motherboard failure (courtesy of the Corsair H1200 PSU recall debacle) just solidified it.

 

 

[Reciever]

18 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

The PrimoChill Praxis Wetbench is my favorite because it has all of the features of a case with no walls to get in the way.

 

I have an aluminum frame open bench that has been sitting in my closet unused for a long time. If you are interested in that, let me know and I will post some pictures for you to see what it looks like. It was very convenient for binning CPUs. Very compact. If you are not planning to run a bunch of SATA drives (it will accommodate a couple) it is a nice setup.

 

I like the idea of a Linux-centered leaderboard like HWBOT. I am not sure how much back-end work that would require. I don't have sufficient free time to figure it out, but I would certainly submit benchmarks.

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Just out of curiosity do you have a couple of pictures of it naked? More so need some creative starting point for my project.

 

Also I think i should have been more specific in my inquiry. I have a table top that is currently 2 tiered. The table top obviously and its second surface is about 3 inches from the ground. I plan to use the space between to load up the 5+ GPU's for mining which is about 2 feet in height, and wide enough for my 5820x to lay flat.

 

I do have about 10 drives I plan to connect via SATA but what I was thinking was creating a separate semi enclosed space on the top surface maybe with ABS sheet plastic.

 

I also intend to keep the DPS-1200FB's separate as well so as to prevent them from being exposed from unnecessary heat.

 

It will be akin to how those podium type systems from yore

 

I am curious to if there are are sites out there for buying parts that facilitate these kinds of endeavors. Things like motherboard stand offs, PCIE brackets?

As for the Linux oriented HWBOT, we can worry about the backend portion later, for now I would focus on the things that can be handled like proof submissions, system requirements and things of that nature

[electrosoft]

I saw @Falkentyne posted this over on the OC forums for testing 12900ks chips. See how your 12900k fairs too:

 

"Set your chip to the following:
5.4 ghz sync all cores (P cores: 5.4 ghz), E cores 4.0 ghz, Ring: 4.0 ghz
Actual VRM Core Voltage: 1.42v (Bios set).
LLC: Level 6

(I'm assuming you have an Asus board).
Run Cinebench R23 10 times loop.
If it passes, run R15 10 times in a row as fast as possible.

If your chip passes, you have an above average chip that had a lower than expected SP rating that performs better than indicated, and then you can see if you can lower the vcore even more."

 

I gave it a whirl on my SP91 12900k (P102 / E69) for shiggles and instant crash. 🙂

 

See how yours makes out.... LLC6 Asus = LLC3 MSI?

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

17 hours ago, Reciever said:

Just out of curiosity do you have a couple of pictures of it naked? More so need some creative starting point for my project.

 

Also I think i should have been more specific in my inquiry. I have a table top that is currently 2 tiered. The table top obviously and its second surface is about 3 inches from the ground. I plan to use the space between to load up the 5+ GPU's for mining which is about 2 feet in height, and wide enough for my 5820x to lay flat.

 

I do have about 10 drives I plan to connect via SATA but what I was thinking was creating a separate semi enclosed space on the top surface maybe with ABS sheet plastic.

 

I also intend to keep the DPS-1200FB's separate as well so as to prevent them from being exposed from unnecessary heat.

 

It will be akin to how those podium type systems from yore

 

I am curious to if there are are sites out there for buying parts that facilitate these kinds of endeavors. Things like motherboard stand offs, PCIE brackets?

As for the Linux oriented HWBOT, we can worry about the backend portion later, for now I would focus on the things that can be handled like proof submissions, system requirements and things of that nature

Here is an assortment of naked and build pictures. You can buy the raw materials on Amazon. It is like building with an Erector Set. This stuff is often used for building 3D printers, CNC machines, etc.

 

You can orient the motherboard horizontal, vertical, upside down, sideways, whatever you want. Pieces fit together with brackets that slide inside of tracks in the square extruded aluminum bars, held in place with Phillips and Allen-head set screws.

[Mr. Fox]

23 hours ago, electrosoft said:

LLC6 Asus = LLC3 MSI?

That seems about right. It appears they work in opposite directions. I tried Google-search to figure out how MSI did it and ended up figuring it out through trial and error. 

 

I like the EVGA way better. No silly nomenclature that leaves things open to guessing. I think +75/+50/+25/0/-25/-50/-75 makes a whole helluva lot more sense.

 

Random observation:

I created a TVB 5.7GHz profile as demonstrated by Skatterbencher. Voltage was high for my CPU. I was able to use considerably less voltage than his video demonstrated. However, performance is not as good as my daily-driver 52x all p-core core, 42x all e-core and 46x cache configuration except in single-threaded applications. Multi-threaded benchmark scores are lower. There are not very many workload scenarios where I actually witnessed it boosting to 5.7GHz. It seems I don't do much that is single thread workload. I went back to my own all-core mode, as I like that a lot better. Better performance, less voltage and lower temperatures using my way. It did seem to boot to the desktop faster, but that never has been important to me except when boot-time is freakishly long and I have to sit there staring at the screen and wondering how much longer.

 

 

[Talon]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/aida64-hints-intels-return-to-hedt-market-with-alder-lake-x

 

HEDT soon? 

[Mr. Fox]

58 minutes ago, Talon said:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/aida64-hints-intels-return-to-hedt-market-with-alder-lake-x

 

HEDT soon? 

I saw that in the release notes when AIDA64 auto-updated earlier today and wondered the same.

[johnksss]

Soooooooo, I have a KS sitting at Microcenter, but now back to having to get an Asus board to see what it is. Have they fixed the SP rating on the KS chips or is it still up in the air?

[Talon]

54 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Soooooooo, I have a KS sitting at Microcenter, but now back to having to get an Asus board to see what it is. Have they fixed the SP rating on the KS chips or is it still up in the air?

 

Using a KS right now. I picked it up this morning after getting home from a few days in Phoenix. 

 

I didn't get a great chip, SP88 on latest BIOS. 😐 It's better than my SP92 K but not by much from initial testing. I need better cooling though. I can run 5Ghz P cores and 4Ghz E cores synced (yes underclocked) at -100mV and that puts me around 1.066v load and draws 183w Package for around 28.4K CB23.

 

Where this chip looks to shine for me is the IMC. I can boot 7000Mhz CL32 on my Hero board. Previously I topped at 6600Mhz. Now I can run 6800Mhz stable it seems which is crazy for a 4 dimm board. So the IMC does seem to be improved. 

 

That said I am likely going back in the morning to grab a different sample. I will keep the best one and return the other. SP88 is already low tier from what I've seen, but K and KS SP scores cannot be compared directly at all. 

[johnksss]

16 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Using a KS right now. I picked it up this morning after getting home from a few days in Phoenix. 

 

I didn't get a great chip, SP88 on latest BIOS. 😐 It's better than my SP92 K but not by much from initial testing. I need better cooling though. I can run 5Ghz P cores and 4Ghz E cores synced (yes underclocked) at -100mV and that puts me around 1.066v load and draws 183w Package for around 28.4K CB23.

 

Where this chip looks to shine for me is the IMC. I can boot 7000Mhz CL32 on my Hero board. Previously I topped at 6600Mhz. Now I can run 6800Mhz stable it seems which is crazy for a 4 dimm board. So the IMC does seem to be improved. 

 

That said I am likely going back in the morning to grab a different sample. I will keep the best one and return the other. SP88 is already low tier from what I've seen. 

Hummm, so that means I would need to get a hero board and ditch this Unify until my Unify-X comes back from MSI RMA.

Also to see if it reads my SP98 chip lower/the same or higher. And for the time being I need a higher stable memory board to at least keep up.

 

I might be stuck if I get a really good KS.🤦‍♂️

[Talon]

44 minutes ago, johnksss said:

Hummm, so that means I would need to get a hero board and ditch this Unify until my Unify-X comes back from MSI RMA.

Also to see if it reads my SP98 chip lower/the same or higher. And for the time being I need a higher stable memory board to at least keep up.

 

I might be stuck if I get a really good KS.🤦‍♂️

 

Sorry to hear about your Unify-X. I would not expect same memory tuning that you are getting with that Unify-X though. The 2-dimm boards are king. I wish I had one with this chip now though. I should easily be able to push 7000+ Mhz. 

[johnksss]

1 hour ago, Talon said:

 

Sorry to hear about your Unify-X. I would not expect same memory tuning that you are getting with that Unify-X though. The 2-dimm boards are king. I wish I had one with this chip now though. I should easily be able to push 7000+ Mhz. 

Thanks. It's just going to be a waiting game on that. And you are totally right. the 2 dimm boards are king in memory over clocking right now.

[electrosoft]

2 hours ago, Talon said:

 

Using a KS right now. I picked it up this morning after getting home from a few days in Phoenix. 

 

I didn't get a great chip, SP88 on latest BIOS. 😐 It's better than my SP92 K but not by much from initial testing. I need better cooling though. I can run 5Ghz P cores and 4Ghz E cores synced (yes underclocked) at -100mV and that puts me around 1.066v load and draws 183w Package for around 28.4K CB23.

 

Where this chip looks to shine for me is the IMC. I can boot 7000Mhz CL32 on my Hero board. Previously I topped at 6600Mhz. Now I can run 6800Mhz stable it seems which is crazy for a 4 dimm board. So the IMC does seem to be improved. 

 

That said I am likely going back in the morning to grab a different sample. I will keep the best one and return the other. SP88 is already low tier from what I've seen, but K and KS SP scores cannot be compared directly at all. 

 

Did you try running the KS test parameters I posted from the OC forums from @Falkentyne to see where your chip stacks up? Like I said, I ran it on my 12900k SP91 for shiggles and it error'd right out of CB23. 😁

 

Looking at Buildzoid's statistical data it looks like you did get a slightly below average KS as the average from 183 samples was SP90 (P98/E76) but a hardline test is to give Falk's parameters a try.

 

[electrosoft]

3 hours ago, johnksss said:

Soooooooo, I have a KS sitting at Microcenter, but now back to having to get an Asus board to see what it is. Have they fixed the SP rating on the KS chips or is it still up in the air?

 

Asus BIOS 1403 is KS compliant but there isn't a way to directly compare SP scores between K and KS so far. In the end, run some baseline tests and see what ya got.

[Mr. Fox]

I finally pulled off the crappy (and ugly) T-Force heat sinks and replaced them with the RAM jackets and finned heat sink that I had on my GSKILL DDR4. I was getting errors in TM5 due to overheating right near the end of the test run and now no errors and 12°C cooler. I am also glad that the RGB puke rainbow is gone with the LEDs hidden under the heat sinks now. I never have cared much for RGB memory... chintzy gimmick that requires bloatware filth to control. Thanks, but no thanks.

 

I honestly don't know how memory manufacturers think they are doing us a favor by slapping thin aluminum sheets with an adhesive foam "blanket" to snuggle the ICs in their own heat. The stock ones are never much good, but they'd probably be good enough to leave alone if they actually used good thermal pads instead of that adhesive foam rubber crap to trap heat. It also makes them a real pain in the butt to remove from the modules. They make them so difficult to remove, maybe they are scared someone might discover a memory module hiding under the tacky dress.

[Reciever]

@Mr. Fox Doesnt RGB add heat ? Or am I thinking of cold cathode?

[electrosoft]

Frame Chasers comparing a 12900ks (P cores only) versus his godbin 12900k SP102 (P113) and 12900k SP86 (P96).

 

It does seem to show, yet again, the SP scores aren't equal KS vs K and you will need to weight the KS score by +8-10.

 

 

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I finally pulled off the crappy (and ugly) T-Force heat sinks and replaced them with the RAM jackets and finned heat sink that I had on my GSKILL DDR4. I was getting errors in TM5 due to overheating right near the end of the test run and now no errors and 12°C cooler. I am also glad that the RGB puke rainbow is gone with the LEDs hidden under the heat sinks now. I never have cared much for RGB memory... chintzy gimmick that requires bloatware filth to control. Thanks, but no thanks.

 

 

I honestly don't know how memory manufacturers think they are doing us a favor by slapping thin aluminum sheets with an adhesive foam "blanket" to snuggle the ICs in their own heat. The stock ones are never much good, but they'd probably be good enough to leave alone if they actually used good thermal pads instead of that adhesive foam rubber crap to trap heat. It also makes them a real pain in the butt to remove from the modules. They make them so difficult to remove, maybe they are scared someone might discover a memory module hiding under the tacky dress.

 

I usually target the non RGB variants. On the other hand, when I swapped the wife from 2x8GB white RGB'esque "pretty sticks" that were running @ 3200 18-22-22 to a pair of 2x8GB G.Skill jet black sticks running @ 4000 C14-14-14 all she had to say was, "They don't match and where's the lights?"

 

Clearly there is a market for RGB color face blast....

 

My major gripe is still the software. Basic lighting control software that somehow needs to be bloated, intrusive and data collection enabled......right....

 

 

 

 

[johnksss]

testing again...

[Talon]

Best run so far. Had to snag that crown back. 

[Mr. Fox]

26 minutes ago, Talon said:

Best run so far. Had to snag that crown back. 

Nice score, and that KS seems like a good sample to me. If CPU-Z is not bugged because of the new CPU 1.225V for 56x all P-core is really good. Is that where you have the BIOS set for voltage,  or is it 56x on a couple of cores?

 

Don't have to worry about me taking that crown from you. My 3090 KPE can't seem to hold more than about 2175 under load even on chilled water, so I am unable to even hit 16K. I may pull the block off and replace the KPX with liquid metal and see if that helps (keeping the core colder). 

[johnksss]

2 hours ago, electrosoft said:

 

Asus BIOS 1403 is KS compliant but there isn't a way to directly compare SP scores between K and KS so far. In the end, run some baseline tests and see what ya got.

 

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

Frame Chasers comparing a 12900ks (P cores only) versus his godbin 12900k SP102 (P113) and 12900k SP86 (P96).

 

It does seem to show, yet again, the SP scores aren't equal KS vs K and you will need to weight the KS score by +8-10.

 

 

Okay, I had it running at 4.9 Ghz for some reason, but I guess that did not matter as it's still the same running at 5.1 Ghz

 

I must be doing it wrong.....

 

Edit:

When chip is colder it reads SP99 113/72