*Official Benchmark Thread* - Post it here or it didn't happen :D

[electrosoft]

8 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think the SP rating is very useful to identify poorly binned CPUs that need to be returned due to poor quality silicon, but I don't think it is 100% accurate past a certain point, and the fact that it changes with temperature and firmware revision makes it even more suspect as being reliable measurement for a whole lot more than spotting on first boot if you have a CPU that needs to be RMA'd immediately. 

 

8 hours ago, johnksss said:

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

SP97 for the KS

 

 

I will say this. I've yet to see a low SP score produce a good chip without forcing a lot of volts and chiller (or greater) cooling down its throat.

 

@johnksss You got the magic touch right now brother! SP97 KS = SP105-SP107 K, sheesh. Let's see the P cores and V/F curve on that puppy:

 

[ryan]

ok after messing around with resizable bar I dont understand how I broke 9300 but I did proof below but I think it helped a touch..

 

[Mr. Fox]

12 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

 

I will say this. I've yet to see a low SP score produce a good chip without forcing a lot of volts and chiller (or greater) cooling down its throat.

 

@johnksss You got the magic touch right now brother! SP97 KS = SP105-SP107 K, sheesh. Let's see the P cores and V/F curve on that puppy:

 

I think where it has the potential to be most misleading is where overclocking headroom is concerned. I've noticed that to some extent where the CPU binning process is concerned. I've also seen it in the past with GPU ASIC scores. The silicon with the better numbers almost always runs cooler with lower voltage at stock or near stock. But once in a while the "better" silicon doesn't overclock very well or as high no matter how much voltage you give to it. If you mostly play games or if you're running a turdbook with horrible thermal management, overclocking probably isn't something that you're going to lose a lot of  sleep over. But, if you're into overclocking more than anything else it's kind of tragic. I'd rather have a sample that overclocks higher and performs better even though it takes more voltage and it's harder to cool. But I wouldn't if I was the kind of person I just described and overclocking wasn't my primary interest. 

[Papusan]

11 hours ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am also glad that the RGB puke rainbow is gone with the LEDs hidden under the heat sinks now. I never have cared much for RGB memory... chintzy gimmick that requires bloatware filth to control. Thanks, but no thanks.

 

I honestly don't know how memory manufacturers think they are doing us a favor by slapping thin aluminum sheets with an adhesive foam "blanket" to snuggle the ICs in their own heat. The stock ones are never much good, but they'd probably be good enough to leave alone if they actually used good thermal pads instead of that adhesive foam rubber crap to trap heat. It also makes them a real pain in the butt to remove from the modules. They make them so difficult to remove, maybe they are scared someone might discover a memory module hiding under the tacky dress.

Red dot....
Green dot...
Blue dot...... matters.

10 hours ago, electrosoft said:

Clearly there is a market for RGB color face blast....

 

My major gripe is still the software. Basic lighting control software that somehow needs to be bloated, intrusive and data collection enabled......right....

 

 

 

 

Yep, and you get Design awards for it as well. People look at reviews😜 Fancy RGB sells in loads nowadays. 

 

G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB and Ripjaws S5 Series DDR5 Memory Receive Red Dot Design Award 2022

 

 

[johnksss]

1 hour ago, electrosoft said:

 

That is a pretty righteous SP98 12900k. It's a wonderful feeling when you pull a chip off the shelf and it is a good bin.

 

Do you have a shot of the V/F curve?

 

1.101 @ 5.1 under load @ 1.288 adaptive?

 

See how it does with Falk's binning baseline:

 

Set your chip to the following:
5.4 ghz sync all cores (P cores: 5.4 ghz), E cores 4.0 ghz, Ring: 4.0 ghz
Actual VRM Core Voltage: 1.42v (Bios set).
LLC: Level 6

(I'm assuming you have an Asus board).
Run Cinebench R23 10 times loop.
If it passes, run R15 10 times in a row as fast as possible.

 

 

51 minutes ago, electrosoft said:

 

 

 

I will say this. I've yet to see a low SP score produce a good chip without forcing a lot of volts and chiller (or greater) cooling down its throat.

 

@johnksss You got the magic touch right now brother! SP97 KS = SP105-SP107 K, sheesh. Let's see the P cores and V/F curve on that puppy:

 

I'm on the KS at the moment....

 

Edit:

Using auto the voltage is lower... 1.288🤦‍♂️😂

[Mr. Fox]

57 minutes ago, Papusan said:

Yep, and you get Design awards for it as well. People look at reviews😜 Fancy RGB sells in loads nowadays. 

I have relatives that are school teachers, and some of them are very intelligent, so there are always exceptions. But, the concept here is similar to the old cliché, "Those who can do, those who cannot teach." Another way of putting it, "When you have no go, focus on show." It is the sleepers you should be worried about. They'll catch you off guard and the outcome can be lethal. RGB is like sword-rattling... using a toy sword.

[electrosoft]

1 hour ago, Mr. Fox said:

I think where it has the potential to be most misleading is where overclocking headroom is concerned. I've noticed that to some extent where the CPU binning process is concerned. I've also seen it in the past with GPU ASIC scores. The silicon with the better numbers almost always runs cooler with lower voltage at stock or near stock. But once in a while the "better" silicon doesn't overclock very well or as high no matter how much voltage you give to it. If you mostly play games or if you're running a turdbook with horrible thermal management, overclocking probably isn't something that you're going to lose a lot of  sleep over. But, if you're into overclocking more than anything else it's kind of tragic. I'd rather have a sample that overclocks higher and performs better even though it takes more voltage and it's harder to cool. But I wouldn't if I was the kind of person I just described and overclocking wasn't my primary interest. 

 

Agreed. Toss in great SP rated chips that have a stubborn core that won't OC no matter what and all the great voltage and thermals mean nothing. The 9900ks I bought had this exact problem. Fantastic thermals and pull but had a stubborn core that borked out at 5.3 no matter what you did or how cool it was running. Worked out great for me as it was a killer chip for stock, cool running in my P870TM1-G.

 

11900k's had this hard stop problem too with a troublesome core. Absolutely great SP100+ samples that wouldn't go past 5.2 no matter what you did.

 

Then some chips live up to their SP ratings (good and bad). I've been binning a few more 10900k's and watching an SP63 just explode to 367w+ at 5.2 needing 1.58w to run CB23 was a site to behold....I'm sure there's even worse out there. But...at stock? It handled a -.110 UV like a boss, ran CB23 20 min loop no problem and while it wasn't as good as a SP95+ sample, it wasn't that far out of range.

 

Turdbooks (and BGA) are the worst in that you're stuck with the hand that is dealt to you unless you send the entire system back or with someone like Dell manage to get a system board swap if you get a poor silicon sample and your system runs super hot and heavy.

 

 

[Mr. Fox]

I just don't get this. More voltage, less voltage, load clock sucks. Max core temp is under 40°C. Pretty much kills benching fun.

 

[johnksss]

Just now, Mr. Fox said:

I just don't get this. More voltage, less voltage, load clock sucks. Max core temp is under 40°C. Pretty much kills benching fun.

 

What do you get if you bench using the 520W vbios?

[Mr. Fox]

7 minutes ago, johnksss said:

What do you get if you bench using the 520W vbios?

I don't know. Never tried it. I've basically ignored anything other than the XOC firmware since the day Vince sent it because my benchmarks are all pulling way beyond 520W.

 

I have tried tons of different drives and it doesn't seem to be driver related.

 

Is there a 520W with rebar support? I will give it a shot and see if it is the same, better or worse.

[ryan]

@johnksss sir, I have been reading your posts and looking at your benchmarks for years. I topped 9300 in timespy. If you had a omen 16 with a 11800h and a 115w 3060 what do you think you would get? any guesses

[johnksss]

3 minutes ago, ryan said:

@johnksss sir, I have been reading your posts and looking at your benchmarks for years. I topped 9300 in timespy. If you had a omen 16 with a 11800h and a 115w 3060 what do you think you would get? any guesses

Hey Ryan,

 

No clue, but it would be running under portable AC and modded firmware though.... 😂

[johnksss]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I don't know. Never tried it. I've basically ignored anything other than the XOC firmware since the day Vince sent it because my benchmarks are all pulling way beyond 520W.

 

I have tried tons of different drives and it doesn't seem to be driver related.

 

Is there a 520W with rebar support? I will give it a shot and see if it is the same, better or worse.

Updating the 520W and 480W is easy. Just load it up and let Precision updated it for you.

[Mr. Fox]

Just now, johnksss said:

Updating the 520W and 480W is easy. Just load it up and let Precision updated it for you.

I just remembered that and did it. Thanks. That's pretty handy.

[johnksss]

Just now, Mr. Fox said:

I just remembered that and did it. Thanks. That's pretty handy.

No problem. Just don't try it for the 1K though.😂

[Mr. Fox]

8 minutes ago, johnksss said:

No problem. Just don't try it for the 1K though.😂

I am not sure that even shows as an option. That, or I just stopped looking at the Re-Bar tab because I didn't care. I ignore almost everything that is made for gaming unless I think it offers something that might bump my benchmark scores. I don't game enough to really care anymore. If there is any thought that it might hurt my benchmark scores (crap like G-Stink) then it's not only no, but hell no, LOL.

[Mr. Fox]

53 minutes ago, johnksss said:

What do you get if you bench using the 520W vbios?

About 1,000 points less now. Starting at 2265 on core, it runs about 1975 max and bounces around like a pinball with more than 520W vBIOS limit showing in RTSS OSD. Let me try lowering the voltage and see if it gets better or worse.

 

Edit 1:
Lowered voltage and that put me back were I was with the XOC vBIOS. About 15.5K in Port Royal. If I want to see 2100 on core, I have to set the offset for 2265 because the actual is about 150MHz less than what is requested or set. It seems like it NEVER does what you tell it to. You always get less so need to demand more than you expect. (Gee, that sounds like almost every area of life now, LOL. If you want something barely good enough you have to demand more and have ludicrous expectations.)

 

Edit 2: 
So it looks like the new way is to figure out have much false information you have to use with PX1 just to get the GPU to pull a half-assed run without going too far beyond what works and what wont. Nice. (not really) I guess it's time to start over on learning what I can get away with. I just wish I knew what changed with the XOC vBIOS no longer holding boost clocks under load. I liked that a WHOLE LOT better than this gamer-boy vBIOS crap.

[johnksss]

41 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

I am not sure that even shows as an option. That, or I just stopped looking at the Re-Bar tab because I didn't care. I ignore almost everything that is made for gaming unless I think it offers something that might bump my benchmark scores. I don't game enough to really care anymore. If there is any thought that it might hurt my benchmark scores (crap like G-Stink) then it's not only no, but hell no, LOL.

Oh, it will update that as well, just not with the right bios for it is all.

 

25 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

About 1,000 points less now. Starting at 2265 on core, it runs about 1975 max and bounces around like a pinball with more than 520W vBIOS limit showing in RTSS OSD. Let me try lowering the voltage and see if it gets better or worse.

 

Edit 1:
Lowered voltage and that put me back were I was with the XOC vBIOS. About 15.5K in Port Royal. If I want to see 2100 on core, I have to set the offset for 2265 because the actual is about 150MHz less that what is requested or set. It seems like it NEVER does what you tell it to. You always get less so need to demand more than you expect. (Gee, that sounds like almost every area of life now, LOL. If you want something barely good enough you have to demand more and have ludicrous expectations.)

 

Edit 2: 
So it looks like the new way is to figure out have much false information you have to use with PX1 just to get the GPU to pull a half-assed run without going too far beyond what works and what wont. Nice. (not really)

RTSS? Is that what you are using to boost fps or something?

 

 

This is on stock voltage as well.... So I would not just pass off the 520W vbios so easily....

[Talon]

2 hours ago, johnksss said:

I'm on the KS at the moment....

 

Edit:

Using auto the voltage is lower... 1.288🤦‍♂️😂

Batch and Vietnam or China? 
 

Headed to MC to exchange 

[johnksss]

1 minute ago, Talon said:

Batch and Vietnam or China? 
 

Headed to MC to exchange 

V150J471 China

[johnksss]

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/74121541

[Mr. Fox]

23 minutes ago, johnksss said:

RTSS? Is that what you are using to boost fps or something?

Rivatuner Statistics Server OSD so I can see what the core clocks, power and voltage are doing during a benchmark run.

[johnksss]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Fox said:

Rivatuner Statistics Server OSD so I can see what the core clocks, power and voltage are doing during a benchmark run.

That is just going to slow it down even further I'm afraid.

[Talon]

13 minutes ago, johnksss said:

V150J471 China

 

Thanks! Tested my 12900K SP92 again, and even on this newest BIOS the IMC is total shit compared to my 12900KS. Can barely post 6667, instant BSOD upon windows load. My 12900KS didn't even BSOD with 7000Mhz, I just wasn't able to get it stable yet. I am keeping the KS I have, and will return the new/old depending on which one is better. I have a feeling the new KS chips have improved IMCs looking at what you got with your Hero board too. I'm going to bring it with me just in case they won't let me purchase a second one since it's "limit 1 per household". 

[johnksss]

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/74121956